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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: AUChizad on May 02, 2010, 05:02:17 PM
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We've heard this whining ad nauseam for over a year now.
Now Saban is so afraid to play Auburn coming off of a bye week, that he is trying to re-arrange bammer's schedule so that they don't have to play...wait for it...Georgia State, in their first ever season playing football, the week before us.
The Saban worshiping tone of this article, despite its content, is noted and highlighted.
http://blog.al.com/birmingham-news-sports/2010/05/hot_corner_why_should_alabama.html (http://blog.al.com/birmingham-news-sports/2010/05/hot_corner_why_should_alabama.html)
Hot Corner: Why should Alabama worry about Georgia State?
By The Birmingham News
May 01, 2010, 8:15AM
By Aimie Taluyo -- The Birmingham News
Alabama coach Nick Saban should be able to get his team ready for both Georgia State and Auburn without extra time off.
Alabama football coach Nick Saban said Thursday that he's worried about facing Auburn on a Friday when the Tide has a short week and the Tigers have a bye week -- so much so that he and the league are looking at other options.
The Tide is defending national champ and the league's best team. The team that Alabama plays before Auburn is Georgia State, a team in its inaugural season. The Tide won't need a full week to plan for Georgia State. In essence, the Tide has two weeks to prepare for Auburn.
And the Tide will probably play its backups for most of the game against the Panthers.
Concern about the number of SEC teams that have bye weeks before playing Alabama is understandable. But it seems unnecessary that Alabama wants to alter schedules so it can have more preparation time that it doesn't need to beat the Tigers.
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Who the fuck is Aimie Taluyo?...is she a real sportswriter for the Birmingham News?
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I've never read a more poorly written article published in an official and relevant newspaper.
What the fuck is Aime trying to say? Is she arguing that Saban is correct in saying that they shouldn't be playing a game the week before the Iron Bowl? Is she say Saban is being a cry baby bitch for complaining about Georgia State?
I'm not real sure. I do think it's hilarious that she's already crowned them the best team 4 months before kickoff. Why play the games? Alabama's already conquered football.
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I think the overall problem is half of the schedule having a bye week before they play us. The Iron Bowl is simply the biggest example. Let me be exact, since Chizad will go apeshit if I don't.
You can't honestly say that one team having 5 days to prepare for the biggest rivalry in football, and the other team having 12 days to prepare doesn't give the team with 12 days an edge.
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I think the overall problem is half of the schedule having a bye week before they play us. The Iron Bowl is simply the biggest example. Let me be exact, since Chizad will go apeshit if I don't.
You can't honestly say that one team having 5 days to prepare for the biggest rivalry in football, and the other team having 12 days to prepare doesn't give the team with 12 days an edge.
Let me state this as slow as I can, so you bammers will be able to understand it. If Scandalous Plagued University of Alabama in Tuscaloosa (SPUAT) has to prepare for Georgia State, then there are a shit load more problems to worry about on the team than other team's schedule.
As much as I hate to say this, SPuat is the best team in the SEC this year, atleast they are on paper. But, if they're worrying about preparing for Georgia State, then they might not be that good afterall. What Coach little bitch could do is move the Georgia State game to their open date, that way they'd have an opening before the Iron Bowl...just like a couple years ago....but that would mean SPuat would have to play 11 straight before their open date, just like Auburn did last year and will do again this year.
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I think the overall problem is half of the schedule having a bye week before they play us. The Iron Bowl is simply the biggest example. Let me be exact, since Chizad will go apeshit if I don't.
You can't honestly say that one team having 5 days to prepare for the biggest rivalry in football, and the other team having 12 days to prepare doesn't give the team with 12 days an edge.
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I guess it's unfair how you guys have 13 days to prepare for LSU this year.
It's called a bye week. Every team gets one. Get over it.
And why is the Iron Bowl the "biggest example"?
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Did the schedules and bye weeks change that much from last year?
It will only give the bammers something to crow about if they have a record like last year. Or has Saban figured out that his time is soon up and is getting his alibi ready?
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Or has Saban figured out that his time is soon up and is getting his alibi ready?
It's starting to sound that way.
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Besides film room and strategizing, I always feel like a bye week messes with the players' routine. They always come out a little flat.
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Did the schedules and bye weeks change that much from last year?
It will only give the bammers something to crow about if they have a record like last year. Or has Saban figured out that his time is soon up and is getting his alibi ready?
Alabama had a similar scheduling situation last year. I believe we had 5-6 games against teams with bye weeks prior to playing us. As far as Saban's time being up soon? We're building a statue of the fucker......what does that say to you?
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Alabama had a similar scheduling situation last year. I believe we had 5-6 games against teams with bye weeks prior to playing us. As far as Saban's time being up soon? We're building a statue of the fucker......what does that say to you?
Tell me, RWS. How long did each statue stay the coach after the statue was erected?
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Tell me, RWS. How long did each statue stay the coach after the statue was erected?
I'm simply saying that we aren't looking into getting rid of Saban anytime soon, and I don't think he is looking to go anywhere either. Even if we have a bad season this year, the part of the fanbase calling for heads to roll (and we know it will happen if the season turns ugly for whatever reason) needs to wake the fuck up and look at this thing a little more objectively.
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the part of the fanbase calling for heads to roll (and we know it will happen if the season turns ugly for whatever reason) needs to wake the fuck up and look at this thing a little more objectively.
Impossible for your fan base....you ask for the moon.
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the part of the fanbase calling for heads to roll (and we know it will happen if the season turns ugly for whatever reason)
You meant to say....the loudest fans, right.
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You can't honestly say that one team having 5 days to prepare for the biggest rivalry in football, and the other team having 12 days to prepare doesn't give the team with 12 days an edge.
I can absolutely say that. Without reservation.
Wanna bet?
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I can absolutely say that. Without reservation.
Wanna bet?
THIS.
Ever see most Auburn teams play with a bye week before Ga or Arky? Most times it wasn't pretty.
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Alabama had a similar scheduling situation last year. I believe we had 5-6 games against teams with bye weeks prior to playing us.
I admit, playing tons of teams that are coming off bye weeks does suck. Those teams may occasionally come out a little flat, but in the end they are usually a little better rested and have had a week for the nagging injuries and aches to heal up a little. The SEC is physical, and it takes a toll on the body. One reason we played better, more physical defense against Alabama last year was due to having a week off after 11 straight games.
HOWEVER...bitching about it is like bitching that you have Georgia and Florida on your SEC-East rotation instead of Vanderbilt and Kentucky. Or bitching that you have all your tough games on the road. It's just the way the schedule goes. It's different every year...some years it's easier, some years it's tougher. Quit thinking that Murphy's Law needs to bend over for Saban.
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I say make it a rule. Every team must have a bye before they play Alabama. I mean at least the games will be more exciting. I hate watching blowout after blowout. :poke: :civic:
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I say make it a rule. Every team must have a bye before they play Alabama. I mean at least the games will be more exciting. I hate watching blowout after blowout. :poke: :civic:
:bugs: I do think it's a little strange the number of bye weeks their opponents have. Does it matter? Didn't look like it last year. I just hope we never play a game between UGA and Bama and that's always a bye week. I love the build up to the Iron Bowl.
Jad, I think we may have been a little more rested and granted, that was much needed after 11 straight weeks. But, I think the defensive game plan had as much to do with the success against Bama. That may also be attributed to the extra time. The fact is, the D came out with a completely different game plan than anything they showed all year long. I remember reading quotes from McElroy about Auburn throwing the kitchen sink at them with the number of formations and coverages he saw. I never understood why we could do it against the #1 team in the land but stayed in our base D for 11 prior games.
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You can't honestly say that one team having 5 days to prepare for the biggest rivalry in football, and the other team having 12 days to prepare doesn't give the team with 12 days an edge.
According to many of bammer's loudest and most idiotic fans that post on Auburn boards on the net, and call talk radio shows...ALL the SEC teams will have film on Malzahn's gimmicky HS offense and by midseason will easily shut it down. 5 days should be more than enough time.
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According to many of bammer's loudest and most idiotic fans that post on Auburn boards on the net, and call talk radio shows...ALL the SEC teams will have film on Malzahn's gimmicky HS offense and by midseason will easily shut it down. 5 days should be more than enough time.
Meh, outside of the first 10 minutes of the 09 Iron Bowl, Alabama didn't really have a problem shutting it down either. It was just a matter of getting through some of the scripted plays that AU hadn't used before. To me, that is the biggest issue with Malzahn. There just doesn't seem to be an in between with his offense. Either it's going to bash your brains out, or it is going to epic fail. He seems to do well with scripted plays, but when adjustments have to be made, the playcalling suffers.
On the other side of that, this was his first year in the SEC against this caliber of a defense. You have to give a little credit on that part. I think the jury is still out on him. It is hard to take much from AU's 09 season. The offense showed flashes in certain games, but just wasn't quite "there" yet. I still think his offense is gimmicky, but I think it is still too soon to call it a failure or success on the SEC level.
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Meh, outside of the first 10 minutes of the 09 Iron Bowl, Alabama didn't really have a problem shutting it down either. It was just a matter of getting through some of the scripted plays that AU hadn't used before. To me, that is the biggest issue with Malzahn. There just doesn't seem to be an in between with his offense. Either it's going to bash your brains out, or it is going to epic fail. He seems to do well with scripted plays, but when adjustments have to be made, the playcalling suffers.
On the other side of that, this was his first year in the SEC against this caliber of a defense. You have to give a little credit on that part. I think the jury is still out on him. It is hard to take much from AU's 09 season. The offense showed flashes in certain games, but just wasn't quite "there" yet. I still think his offense is gimmicky, but I think it is still too soon to call it a failure or success on the SEC level.
"Adjustments", "Play Calling", "scripted plays", "gimmicky"...you are full of typical ignorant fan bullshit, yet if pressed you couldn't give even a base description of what Auburn, or for that matter, what bammer does on offense or defense...at least not beyond what you've heard some ESPN talking head regurgitate. You're good at talking ignorant fan smack though. I bet you've referred to Malzahn's offense as gimmicky 100 times, but couldn't tell anyone what the gimmick is. And I've been through this before...every offense involves gimmicks, but you' wouldn't know one from another, but you'll toss out "gimmicky" like it's a slap at Malzahn every single time you talk about it.
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There was a post on the Arkansas Scout board (sorry, to lazy to go back and find it) where a reporter tracked teams coming off a buy week vs. teams that played the week before in three categories, underdogs, favorites, and toss-ups. Statistically, coming off the buy week did not provide a measurable advantage to underdogs or toss-ups, and was a slight disadvantage to favorites. Favorites tend to come out flat after a week off.
I notice 'bama doesn't whine and cry about the unfairness of the schedule when their rotating teams in the east are Kentucky and South Carolina and ours are Georgia and Florida.
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On the other side of that, this was his first year in the SEC against this caliber of a defense.
Really? You're a real student of the game.
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Really? You're a real student of the game.
Thanks for catching that. I saw it earlier from my phone when I was too busy to ridicule it, and forgot about it later.
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Really? You're a real student of the game.
Don't question his knowledge. He'll get all verbose on you.
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Don't question his knowledge. He'll get all verbose on you.
or maybe even long winded.
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http://blog.al.com/kevin-scarbinsky/2010/05/scarbinsky_curry_not_sure_geor.html (http://blog.al.com/kevin-scarbinsky/2010/05/scarbinsky_curry_not_sure_geor.html)
Scarbinsky: Curry not sure Georgia State can move game if Alabama asks
By Kevin Scarbinsky -- The Birmingham News
May 07, 2010, 5:30AM
Bill Curry’s phone works. I know because we spoke, cell to cell, while he was driving Thursday afternoon.
So rule out technical difficulties as a reason that Alabama hasn’t contacted the familiar coach of the new Georgia State football program about moving their game from its scheduled date of Saturday, Nov. 20, to Thursday, Nov. 18.
A week after Nick Saban mentioned the possibility on an SEC teleconference, Curry said, "We have not heard from them."
But having heard of Saban’s remarks, Curry and the Georgia State AD discussed the idea last Friday. Interestingly, their answer to any Alabama request to jump might not be "How high?"
They determined that, if Alabama asks, they’ll have to broach the subject with their university president and others "to find out what flexibility we may or may not have," Curry said.
As for Georgia State’s general philosophy of playing on Thursday nights, he added, "We don’t have a basic approach yet. We literally do not have an answer."
When you’re starting a football program from scratch, sometimes you have to adjust on the fly.
It’s important to remember that, if and when Alabama asks, Georgia State has to say yes. Of course, it might be hard to say no, given the David vs. Goliath disparity between them.
Considering that one program is coming off a national championship and the other is heading into its very first season, Alabama vs. Georgia State is the biggest on-paper mismatch of the entire 2010 season.
Not saying it’ll happen — and Curry didn’t tip his hand — but can you imagine the outcry in this state if Alabama asked to move the game and Georgia State declined?
The howling would become deafening if Alabama were forced to dismantle Georgia State on that Saturday, and six days later, Auburn came off its bye week to topple the Tide.
Curry would get blamed for another Iron Bowl defeat.
His biggest sin in the eyes of a lot of Alabama fans is that he never beat Auburn. Not even his till-then unbeaten 1989 team could beat Auburn, but given the never-before, never-again tidal wave of emotion that greeted Alabama on its first trip to Jordan-Hare Stadium, the best Crimson Tide teams in history might’ve come up short that day.
Does anyone else find it amusing that, all these years later, Saban has been thinking of asking Curry to help Alabama beat Auburn?
That’s the bottom line here.
Alabama could beat Georgia State with its walk-ons any day of the week, but as Saban discovered last season, Gene Chizik’s Auburn is no walk-over.
"The thing I’m most concerned about is playing Auburn on a short week when they have a bye week," Saban said.
Say what? Saban? Concerned? About Auburn?
I’m sorry, but I’m going to have to see some ID.
His concern is legitimate — see the 2009 Iron Bowl — but it was totally out of character for Saban to voice that concern in public.
This is not a coach who expresses vulnerability. This is a coach who tirelessly seeks it out in the other team and works to exploit it.
Saban set his justifiably confident tone the day he was introduced as the Alabama coach. He stuck a finger in his rival’s eye when he referred to Auburn as "a team in this state that we work to dominate 365 days a year."
How can you dominate someone when you let them know that you need more time to get ready for them?
Curry’s got enough on his plate without getting into all that. When he started to work on his first Georgia State schedule, he consulted coaches with start-up experience like Watson Brown and Howard Schnellenberger.
But the best advice, he said, came from Jack Lengyel, the coach who re-started the Marshall football program after its team plane went down in that devastating 1970 crash.
Lengyel told Curry he should play a third of his games against teams he could beat, a third against tougher teams "that’ll stretch you" and a third against the best teams at that level.
"And occasionally," Curry said Lengyel added, "throw a monster in there."
The monster is Alabama. In college football, monsters usually get what they want.
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"Adjustments", "Play Calling", "scripted plays", "gimmicky"...you are full of typical ignorant fan bullshit, yet if pressed you couldn't give even a base description of what Auburn, or for that matter, what bammer does on offense or defense...at least not beyond what you've heard some ESPN talking head regurgitate. You're good at talking ignorant fan smack though. I bet you've referred to Malzahn's offense as gimmicky 100 times, but couldn't tell anyone what the gimmick is. And I've been through this before...every offense involves gimmicks, but you' wouldn't know one from another, but you'll toss out "gimmicky" like it's a slap at Malzahn every single time you talk about it.
I don't really talk about Malzahn's offense too often, and I don't really throw the word "gimmicky" out that often either. The offense itself is simplistic enough. Hell, Alabama's is too for that matter. AU relies on unconventional formations, constant motion, HUNH. If you really want to get down to it, it is just a variation of the single wing. If I had to define Alabama's offense, I would say it most closely resembles a multiple I-back offense. We run core pass/run plays out of multiple formations (thought it seems we play alot from Ace, Pistol, Shotgun, etc). I will now give you the opportunity to grade my response, and insert your own knowledge accordingly, as we all know that is your goal here......to try and show everybody just how smart and superior you are.
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Don't question his knowledge. He'll get all verbose on you.
Not if he is confined to talking about his actual knowledge of the game.
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I will now give you the opportunity to grade my response, and insert your own knowledge accordingly, as we all know that is your goal here......to try and show everybody just how smart and superior you are.
Are you serioulsy accusing him of this? I mean, just because he maybe bought the Kaos & BG instructional video from your garage sale doesn't make him a bad person.
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I don't really talk about Malzahn's offense too often, and I don't really throw the word "gimmicky" out that often either. The offense itself is simplistic enough. Hell, Alabama's is too for that matter. AU relies on unconventional formations, constant motion, HUNH. If you really want to get down to it, it is just a variation of the single wing. If I had to define Alabama's offense, I would say it most closely resembles a multiple I-back offense. We run core pass/run plays out of multiple formations (thought it seems we play alot from Ace, Pistol, Shotgun, etc). I will now give you the opportunity to grade my response, and insert your own knowledge accordingly, as we all know that is your goal here......to try and show everybody just how smart and superior you are.
You did toss out the word gimmicky though. My goal was set by you when you popped off about it and said typically stupid shit. If you don't want to be called down, don't say stupid shit. Simple...like Malzahn's offense.
Malzahn uses 4 basic run plays. Inside Zone, Outside Zone, Power, and Sweep. Very, VERY standard stuff. Throws in some zone read, counters, trap, draws, and jet sweep for good measure, but can do that with little practice time needed because the O Line assignments don't change much. It's either zone or block down/kick out rules...simple stuff. Runs play action off those plays. About as simple as you can get. All offensive coaches use motions and formations to create leverage, as does bammer, like you said. Bammer relies heavily on zone principle plays from a bunch of formations...they use formations the same way, but probably less motion. That's bammer's "gimmick". Zone running allows the back to make the OL look good as he has lots of freedom to cut plays back, and basically run to daylight without being confined to hitting a particular hole. Making the defense commit one way, then cutting back or bouncing out the other. It's a "gimmick" of sorts. It more resembles a multiple single back offense, a la Dennis Erickson/Joe Gibbs. Malzahn's gimmick is pace of play, not playbook or scheme. By today's standards, running an offense from the shotgun is hardly "unconventional". You were right, about bammer using the pistol...invented an perfected by Nevada (I can't recall the coach's name that is credited with it). Anyway...there's my vast knowldge...which is available to any that want to know it, just not from listening to Corso and Herbstreit, and definately not from Shane from Centerpoint.
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invented an perfected by Nevada (I can't recall the coach's name that is credited with it).
Coach Ault (Chris Ault, I believe).
He invented it after watching a bowl game back in the 90s. (If I remember correctly, it was Nebraska's spread-type option in the National Championship game when the stomped the ever-livin' shit outta Florida, Tommie Frazier was the QB)
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Coach Ault (Chris Ault, I believe).
He invented in after watching a bowl game back in the 90s. (If I remember correctly, it was Nebraska's spread-type option in the National Championship game when the stomped the ever-livin' shit outta Florida, Tommie Frazier was the QB)
Guess where his ex-right hand man is coaching this year.
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The only gimmick I see in Gus' offense is that he is not scared to run anything at any time. Someone also mentioned the speed of his plays which is awesome. It keeps the defense from subbing and helps the "O" get some great matchups. I like zone blocking but hate it in the inside running game unless you couple it with a BOB. Also Alabama's offense is boring but effective and that is what Saban wants. Let the defense win the game and hopefully the offense won't turn the ball over.
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Who the phuk is Aimie Taluyo?...is she a real sportswriter for the Birmingham News?
No but she has written adds for Craigslist. '84 Ford PU. Would make good work truck. Till yesterdy.
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The only gimmick I see in Gus' offense is that he is not scared to run anything at any time. Someone also mentioned the speed of his plays which is awesome. It keeps the defense from subbing and helps the "O" get some great matchups. I like zone blocking but hate it in the inside running game unless you couple it with a BOB. Also Alabama's offense is boring but effective and that is what Saban wants. Let the defense win the game and hopefully the offense won't turn the ball over.
What do you mean?
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What do you mean?
He mean you gimicky, we not. Roll Tahd!
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What do you mean?
BOB means back on backer a lead block if you will. As mentioned zone blocking allows your RB to make his own decisions and create. When you are between the tackles creating could mean wasted time. When you man up, Iso and hit it running your success rate goes up. I like zone blocking for hitting the edge or when running in the ace formation.
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What do you mean?
He means rush the fuck out of Mallett and pray that he don't chunk the ball.
Next year we'll have a dude that can run or chunk for 80. You may see him in mop-up against Bama in the 4th quarter this year. I luv subs.
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You may see him in mop-up against Bama in the 4th quarter this year. I luv subs.
We saw the back up in mop up duty last year in the Bama/Arky game. Or course, that's because Mallett folded like a Lexington Steele hammered mommy part after we rushed the fuck out of him, and Arky was down by 28 points.
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We saw the back up in mop up duty last year in the Bama/Arky game. Or course, that's because Mallett folded like a Lexington Steele hammered mommy part after we rushed the fuck out of him, and Arky was down by 28 points.
It must be nice to live in the past.
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It must be nice to live in the past.
Seems like I remember this kind of talk from Arky fans before the '09 season as well. How did that work out for you guys? The past two years, Alabama has beat the dogshit out of Arkansas. You guys haven't really done anything to show that this might change. Yet another year of sub-par recruiting, and Mallett is still the only weapon Arkansas really has.
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BOB means back on backer a lead block if you will. As mentioned zone blocking allows your RB to make his own decisions and create. When you are between the tackles creating could mean wasted time. When you man up, Iso and hit it running your success rate goes up. I like zone blocking for hitting the edge or when running in the ace formation.
The base run game of Malzahn is gap scheme runs. Either a pulling OL, and/or a blocking back leading the play. Not usually ISO, but Trap, Power, and Sweep. Trap and Power are both between the tackles, downhill runs. Zone is a perfectly good scheme, the Colts have made a living off it, as did the Broncos Super Bowl team of the late 90s. Well coached backs don't waste time in the backfield. The inside zone is a good play, and hits the line hard if you have a RB that will. Lots of teams zone almost exclusively. It works. But then so does gap/man schemes. Just a matter of doing what you do.
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It must be nice to live in the past.
Their present aint no joke either.
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The base run game of Malzahn is gap scheme runs. Either a pulling OL, and/or a blocking back leading the play. Not usually ISO, but Trap, Power, and Sweep. Trap and Power are both between the tackles, downhill runs. Zone is a perfectly good scheme, the Colts have made a living off it, as did the Broncos Super Bowl team of the late 90s. Well coached backs don't waste time in the backfield. The inside zone is a good play, and hits the line hard if you have a RB that will. Lots of teams zone almost exclusively. It works. But then so does gap/man schemes. Just a matter of doing what you do.
I can't argue one bit with that but I coach high school ball and we need to be down hill. Some college teams need that as well. I will post more but my wife is bitching about some shit so I will see you guys later.
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I will post more but my wife is bitching about some shit so I will see you guys later.
I know who wears the britches.
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I know who wears the britches.
Harvey and I are in the same boat.
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Harvey and I are in the same boat.
Ssshhhh...keep your voice down.
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I can't argue one bit with that but I coach high school ball and we need to be down hill. Some college teams need that as well. I will post more but my wife is bitching about some shit so I will see you guys later.
Agree. But as a coach you know you have to have a good mix of "things you do" but that they have to compliment each other. You can run a hodgepodge of plays. Anyway...Malzahn was purely a gap run coach in HS, and learned the zone stuff when he got to college ball. Herb Hand at Tulsa is a Rich Rod guy. The zone scheme isn't Malzahn's base scheme, but if you're going to run the ball in college out of the shotgun, you pretty much need the zone plays because of the option scheme off of it. It works well with PA passing too. Malzahns bread and butter down hill plays are trap and power.
You can see the first play here, and at 1:33 the same play...they're run right at the 1 hole downhill. It's essentially a trap play, but it's run with a Counter GB blocking scheme. Pulling guard and lead H-back. That's as downhill a play as their is, and doesn't require the Guards of Center to block mano y mano on NTs or 3 Techniques which are usually difficult for centers and guards to handle one on one at this level.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uG2cCnf14wY# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uG2cCnf14wY#)
Then there's the good ole power play, whic hits off tackle. It can be run like this first play:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PQdKJhZFwI&feature=fvw# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PQdKJhZFwI&feature=fvw#)
Then there's the Wildcat or QB power...shown at 1:17
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RN6wq3L1Bg&feature=related# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RN6wq3L1Bg&feature=related#)
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Agree. But as a coach you know you have to have a good mix of "things you do" but that they have to compliment each other. You can run a hodgepodge of plays. Anyway...Malzahn was purely a gap run coach in HS, and learned the zone stuff when he got to college ball. Herb Hand at Tulsa is a Rich Rod guy. The zone scheme isn't Malzahn's base scheme, but if you're going to run the ball in college out of the shotgun, you pretty much need the zone plays because of the option scheme off of it. It works well with PA passing too. Malzahns bread and butter down hill plays are trap and power.
You can see the first play here, and at 1:33 the same play...they're run right at the 1 hole downhill. It's essentially a trap play, but it's run with a Counter GB blocking scheme. Pulling guard and lead H-back. That's as downhill a play as their is, and doesn't require the Guards of Center to block mano y mano on NTs or 3 Techniques which are usually difficult for centers and guards to handle one on one at this level.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uG2cCnf14wY# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uG2cCnf14wY#)
Then there's the good ole power play, whic hits off tackle. It can be run like this first play:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PQdKJhZFwI&feature=fvw# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PQdKJhZFwI&feature=fvw#)
Then there's the Wildcat or QB power...shown at 1:17
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RN6wq3L1Bg&feature=related# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RN6wq3L1Bg&feature=related#)
Dude you have done your homework. I like what Gus does and I could not compare myself to any college OC. I mean let's face it if I was as good as those guys we would not be typing to each other right now. I also like the traps and power plays. I like the fact that a "lead blocker" is in the hole before the RB. My personal preference is I do not want my RB meeting your MLB head to head in the hole. I also, like you mentioned above, do not like my OG and C mano y mano with a 3 or NT. I like a double and chip to the second level. I am just not a huge fan of zone blocking. I am not saying it does not work just my opinion.
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Dude you have done your homework. I like what Gus does and I could not compare myself to any college OC. I mean let's face it if I was as good as those guys we would not be typing to each other right now. I also like the traps and power plays. I like the fact that a "lead blocker" is in the hole before the RB. My personal preference is I do not want my RB meeting your MLB head to head in the hole. I also, like you mentioned above, do not like my OG and C mano y mano with a 3 or NT. I like a double and chip to the second level. I am just not a huge fan of zone blocking. I am not saying it does not work just my opinion.
I'm a big fan of the Guard taking on the 3 Tech, one on one, then have the Center dive head first into the 3 Tech's legs. The Center just needs to remember to stay really low, while hurling himself into the player's legs. That blocking scheme isn't designed to open a hole, it's just designed to get the 2nd Stringer or Scrub player in there.
We really need to get Kao's point of view on this.....
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I'm a big fan of the Guard taking on the 3 Tech, one on one, then have the Center dive head first into the 3 Tech's legs. The Center just needs to remember to stay really low, while hurling himself into the player's legs. That blocking scheme isn't designed to open a hole, it's just designed to get the 2nd Stringer or Scrub player in there.
You must have really enjoyed watching Auburn's offensive line for the last few years.
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You must have really enjoyed watching Auburn's offensive line for the last few years.
He loves Hugh Nall.
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Dude you have done your homework.
He's good at teh Al Gore Googles like VandyVol
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He's good at teh Al Gore Googles like VandyVol
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Why did you have to do that? I felt like he was the real deal.
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He's good at teh Al Gore Googles like VandyVol
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Why did you have to do that? I felt like he was the real deal.
The Quote function Always wins!
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Why did you have to do that? I felt like he was the real deal.
I'm sure he knows I'm just pickin'. I got no beef with JR4AU. In fact, his rants against Bammerham are great.
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I'm sure he knows I'm just pickin'. I got no beef with JR4AU. In fact, his rants against Bammerham are great.
It's cool! I know most fans don't give a rip about real Xs and Os, or at least not as much as I do. Just enjoying the opportunity to disucuss them.
No Huddle, I get it with you and zone blocking. I like it because it's simple and easy for the O Line to understand, and it deals well with stunting defenses. But not everyone makes a living with it.
Dude you have done your homework.
I have, in fact, read Malzahn's book. Not a mention of Zone in it. All Blast, Gap, Veer, and Midline Option runs. My personal preference is big, athletic, pulling linemen. I really love that Power with the backside G getting up a head of steam on his pull.
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It's cool! I know most fans don't give a rip about real Xs and Os, or at least not as much as I do. Just enjoying the opportunity to disucuss them.
No Huddle, I get it with you and zone blocking. I like it because it's simple and easy for the O Line to understand, and it deals well with stunting defenses. But not everyone makes a living with it.
I have, in fact, read Malzahn's book. Not a mention of Zone in it. All Blast, Gap, Veer, and Midline Option runs. My personal preference is big, athletic, pulling linemen. I really love that Power with the backside G getting up a head of steam on his pull.
I've heard the book is a good read.
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It's cool! I know most fans don't give a rip about real Xs and Os, or at least not as much as I do. Just enjoying the opportunity to disucuss them.
No Huddle, I get it with you and zone blocking. I like it because it's simple and easy for the O Line to understand, and it deals well with stunting defenses. But not everyone makes a living with it.
I have, in fact, read Malzahn's book. Not a mention of Zone in it. All Blast, Gap, Veer, and Midline Option runs. My personal preference is big, athletic, pulling linemen. I really love that Power with the backside G getting up a head of steam on his pull.
Not to sway you from the X's and O's talk...but your personal preference is big, athletic pulling linemen?
That would prbably be mine too if I swung that way. You know...IF I did. Which I don't.
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I've heard the book is a good read.
Houston Nutt just looked at the pictures.
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Houston Nutt just looked at the pictures.
Like Franklin at Auburn, you'd be hard pressed to find any evidence that Malzahn was running Malzahn's offense at Ark.
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Houston Nutt just looked at the pictures.
Chapter 5: The Wildcat
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Chapter 5: The Wildcat
No mention at all of "The Wildcat" in the book.
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Like Franklin at Auburn, you'd be hard pressed to find any evidence that Malzahn was running Malzahn's offense at Ark.
I was the Arky/AU game when Malzahn was OC and Mitch Mudstain was at the helm. What did Mudstain throw, 6...8 passes the whole game. That was anything but Malzahns O. It was McFadden left and Jones right. Not that this was a bad thing, mind you. But I saw no sign that remotely resembled Corch M's offense.
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http://blog.al.com/press-register-sports/2010/06/southeastern_conference_still.html (http://blog.al.com/press-register-sports/2010/06/southeastern_conference_still.html)
Southeastern Conference still working on adjustments to Alabama's lineup of open-date opponents
By Tommy Hicks
June 03, 2010, 7:45AM
DESTIN, Fla. -- The 2010 college football season begins in fewer than 100 days, yet there may still be changes to Alabama's schedule.
Alabama athletics director Mal Moore said Wednesday the SEC is at work in hopes of producing some changes to the Crimson Tide's current schedule, which features six league opponents -- Auburn, LSU, Tennessee, Mississippi State, Ole Miss and South Carolina -- that have open dates the week before playing Alabama.
"It is still being discussed," Moore said, adding Alabama officials are looking for "any help."
As to when any possible changes may take place, Moore said, "That still hasn't been completely decided. Hopefully, soon. ... The SEC, I think, we've tried every way to make some things work and we still have a chance on one or possibly two (games), but that will have to happen soon. We're just waiting."
Mark Womack, the SEC's executive associate commissioner, said there is no set timetable for changes to Alabama's schedule.
"You don't want to set a date -- the sooner, the better -- but you want to make sure that we're doing everything we possibly can to find a solution to that issue," he said.
Womack said the issue is "an unintended consequence," adding, "It's a similar (league) schedule in nature that has been there since the early 2000s. Then it depends on where people move non-conference games around that may have not been open dates that all of a sudden become open dates."
In 2008, Tennessee's schedule featured four opponents -- each Eastern Division foe except Vanderbilt -- that had open dates before playing the Vols. Tennessee was 1-3 in those games.
The Alabama scheduling issue comes as the SEC is working to put together the schedule of league games beginning with the 2012 season and continuing through the 2021 season.
"Scheduling is always very difficult," Womack said. "It's a long process and will certainly involve our athletic directors before we reach any kind of final decision."
The upcoming league schedules will include a number of variables and considerations, according to former Mississippi State AD Larry Templeton, who has been working with Womack the past two months on criteria and options for the 2012 through '21 schedules.
"We've done some drafts that we're going to let the ADs look at and after we've done those drafts, we want to re-talk about the parameters in which we've used in football scheduling," Templeton said. "At some point this week, we want to sit down with the ADs and say, 'Is this still a criteria, such as the number of away games that you play in a row? How do we want to handle non-conference scheduling? How do we want to handle open dates before arch-rival games?' Things of that nature.
"What we're hoping to do is come away with the ability to finish scheduling very quickly for 2012 to 2021."
Templeton said the approach to scheduling has been a simple one: "The whole motive is to get as much competitive balance for all 12 schools."
"I think what I would tell my fellow ADs after sitting on the other side of the table now is that there are some years you're going to be pleased and some years when you're not going to be pleased, and a lot of that is determined by who rotates on and who rotates off (the schedule) and who you perceive as a strong football team this year, not taking into consideration who that might be in 2021."
One of the issues the ADs have to address, Templeton said, is if the dates for some traditional rivalry games are "sacred" and thus can't be changed. He said he felt the end-of-the-season rivalries, some of which involve games against non-conference rivals, won't be changed. But that may not be the case for all games.
Translation: Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!
Seriously, this is the pussiest shit I've ever seen from a defending National Champion.
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Seriously, this is the pussiest shit I've ever seen from a defending National Champion.
No doubt.
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http://blog.al.com/press-register-sports/2010/06/southeastern_conference_still.html (http://blog.al.com/press-register-sports/2010/06/southeastern_conference_still.html)
Translation: Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!
Seriously, this is the pussiest shit I've ever seen from a defending National Champion.
:thumsup:That's funny as hell.
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It's cool! I know most fans don't give a rip about real Xs and Os, or at least not as much as I do. Just enjoying the opportunity to disucuss them.
No Huddle, I get it with you and zone blocking. I like it because it's simple and easy for the O Line to understand, and it deals well with stunting defenses. But not everyone makes a living with it.
I have, in fact, read Malzahn's book. Not a mention of Zone in it. All Blast, Gap, Veer, and Midline Option runs. My personal preference is big, athletic, pulling linemen. I really love that Power with the backside G getting up a head of steam on his pull.
Love all blast, gap, I played QB trying to run the veer reversing out, HATED IT! I could not read the DE but fronting out worked better. Now the midline is nice to run but I like it a change of pace. I really love that Power with the backside G getting up a head of steam on his pull. That is where it is at. I need to read Gus' book.
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Back to topic...but wasn't it Alabama that wanted to play Auburn the week of Thanksgiving because it "wasn't fair"? If I remember correctly, Auburn wanted to play UGA and then Alabama back to back, before Thanksgiving, and Alabama petitioned the SEC to have them move it for some reason. Now because we didn't want to fuck up a long standing tradition of playing UGA and Alabama the last two game by adding a cupcake...this is somehow Auburn's fault? Bullshit. We were fine playing UGA and Alabama back to back...
If I remember correctly from several years ago...
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Back to topic...but wasn't it Alabama that wanted to play Auburn the week of Thanksgiving because it "wasn't fair"? If I remember correctly, Auburn wanted to play UGA and then Alabama back to back, before Thanksgiving, and Alabama petitioned the SEC to have them move it for some reason. Now because we didn't want to fuck up a long standing tradition of playing UGA and Alabama the last two game by adding a cupcake...this is somehow Auburn's fault? Bullshit. We were fine playing UGA and Alabama back to back...
If I remember correctly from several years ago...
^^^This^^^
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Although I'm sure I will regret getting in this thread, the Iron Bowl was moved because FLORIDA said it wasn't fair for some SEC teams to have off the week before the SEC championship game. The SEC agreed and changed the schedule so that every SEC team plays their last game the week before the championship.
I can't find anything that mentions Florida specifically, but I remember watching an interview with Jeremy Foley bitching about the unfairness of their FSU game being played the week before the Championship game.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/sec/2009-04-10-iron-bowl-date_N.htm (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/sec/2009-04-10-iron-bowl-date_N.htm)
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Although I'm sure I will regret getting in this thread, the Iron Bowl was moved because FLORIDA said it wasn't fair for some SEC teams to have off the week before the SEC championship game. The SEC agreed and changed the schedule so that every SEC team plays their last game the week before the championship.
I can't find anything that mentions Florida specifically, but I remember watching an interview with Jeremy Foley bitching about the unfairness of their FSU game being played the week before the Championship game.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/sec/2009-04-10-iron-bowl-date_N.htm (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/sec/2009-04-10-iron-bowl-date_N.htm)
You're gonna' regret you ever set foot in this thread. You just wait.
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Although I'm sure I will regret getting in this thread, the Iron Bowl was moved because FLORIDA said it wasn't fair for some SEC teams to have off the week before the SEC championship game. The SEC agreed and changed the schedule so that every SEC team plays their last game the week before the championship.
I can't find anything that mentions Florida specifically, but I remember watching an interview with Jeremy Foley bitching about the unfairness of their FSU game being played the week before the Championship game.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/sec/2009-04-10-iron-bowl-date_N.htm (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/sec/2009-04-10-iron-bowl-date_N.htm)
I don't remember how it went down exactly, but I could have sworn Shula and Alabama were involved in bitching about the shit too...
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I don't remember how it went down exactly, but I could have sworn Shula and Alabama were involved in bitching about the shit too...
Mal Moore was at the front of the line because they had to play LSU the week prior to playing Auburn. Foley was not far behind though.
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Mal Moore was at the front of the line because they had to play LSU the week prior to playing Auburn. Foley was not far behind though.
That's right. I think Mal Moore was the one that started the bullshit...
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That's right. I think Mal Moore was the one that started the bullshit...
Can't blame Mal for the general whining and crying nature of the bammer beast. If they had it their way, they'd simply be annointed perinnial National Champions from here on out without need to actually compete.
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Mal likely was bitching about playing LSU and Auburn in consecutive weeks, but I doubt he was asking for the Auburn game to be pushed back a week. More than likely he was trying to get the LSU game moved up ahead of MSU. Why would he want the game to move up and erase any advantage Alabama had before the SECCG? Aside from the fact that Shula wasn't going to make the SECCG anyway?
Of course, with Mal Moore, I guess anything is plausible.
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You're gonna' regret you ever set foot in this thread. You just wait.
I did. At 10:57:42.
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I did. At 10:57:42.
Yeah, BUT, How did you feel at 10:57:43? Huhhhhhh?
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Why would he want the game to move up and erase any advantage Alabama had before the SECCG? Aside from the fact that Shula wasn't going to make the SECCG anyway?
Of course, with Mal Moore, I guess anything is plausible.
You asked and answered your question in the same sentence...well, two sentences anyway.
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You asked and answered your question in the same sentence...well, two sentences anyway.
Exactly. It was a lot of Mal knowing there was no way in hell the SEC game was in reach with Shula at the helm, and a little of if we can't make it there, we want it hard as hell for Auburn to get there too...
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I could be wrong, but I think the Iron bowl was moved back simply because of the addition of the twelveth game. Originally, there were only going to be 12 games on the years when there were 12 Saturdays between Labor Day and Thanksgiving, everybody plays Labor Day weekend, leaving one week off somewhere along the line. But everybody liked the extra money of the added game, so they decided to go to 12 games all the time. That means on years where there are only 11 Saturdays between Labor Day and Thanksgiving, 'bama and Auburn would have to play 12 in a row to have Thanksgiving week off.