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The Library => Haley Center Basement => Topic started by: CCTAU on January 15, 2010, 10:18:12 AM
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OK. I am of the generation that had to know someone at the drugstore who developed film in order to develop any kind of racy photos. But today's youth have digital photography at their fingertips with cell phones. If an underage person decides to photo themselves nude and send it out, should the person receiving the photo be charged with child porn?
'Sexting': Child Pornography or Free-Speech Right?
Friday , January 15, 2010
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PHILADELPHIA —
A federal appeals court must decide whether "sexting" by three Pennsylvania teens amounts to child pornography or is a free-speech right.
A three-judge panel in Philadelphia is hearing arguments Friday in a case between a county prosecutor and the American Civil Liberties Union.
The prosecutor is threatening to file child-pornography charges against three girls after racy cell-phone images of them circulated through their high school. The photos show one girl topless and the others in bras.
The ACLU says the case is the first in the nation to challenge whether prosecutors can file child-pornography charges in "sexting" cases. It argues that harmless photos shouldn't be criminalized.
Wyoming County prosecutor George Skumanick Jr. hopes the appeals court will overturn a federal judge's stay of prosecution.
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Surprised we've made it to 2010 before this came before a court. I'm not sure what I think...there are probably good arguments on both sides. My guess is it comes down to something technical like, how is the cell phone texting defined? Is it personal communication or a multi-media device? Who knows?
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Here's my question. Why in the flaming phuk, does your under aged child have a phuking cell phone anyway? Are they that important, that they have their own cell phone? I mean, what the phuk could possibly be so important in their care free lives, that they need to have instant and constant communication?
I blame the parents, who either have no trust whatsoever in their child so they need a way to contact them at every moment, or is trying to be a friend instead of a parent by allowing them to have such a phuking ridiculous item at such a young age.
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Surprised we've made it to 2010 before this came before a court. I'm not sure what I think...there are probably good arguments on both sides. My guess is it comes down to something technical like, how is the cell phone texting defined? Is it personal communication or a multi-media device? Who knows?
It has been before a court before. And the defendant was found guilty of possessing child pornography.
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Here's my question. Why in the flaming phuk, does your under aged child have a phuking cell phone anyway? Are they that important, that they have their own cell phone? I mean, what the phuk could possibly be so important in their care free lives, that they need to have instant and constant communication?
I blame the parents, who either have no trust whatsoever in their child so they need a way to contact them at every moment, or is trying to be a friend instead of a parent by allowing them to have such a phuking ridiculous item at such a young age.
I agree with you in principle but the times they have a changed.
In the old days a phone number was a place. If you wanted to talk to Bob you called Bob's house. Maybe Bob was there. Maybe he wasn't. You rolled the dice. You know it has only been 30 years or so since answering machines started being widely used.
Now a phone number is a person. You want to talk to Bob you call him on the cell phone, then text him, then send him an email, then take your phone and facebook him. More pinpoint accuracy when trying to get a hold of someone but it comes at a price.
The current technology can be a very powerful tool for parents if used correctly. At the end of the day if the parent hasn't taught them right from wrong it doesn't matter whether they have a phone or not.
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If an underage person decides to photo themselves nude and send it out, should the person receiving the photo be charged with child porn?
I don't know how you could enforce that. I get calls rather frequently from people who mistyped the number into their phone. The same could happen with a text just as easily.
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I agree with you in principle but the times they have a changed.
In the old days a phone number was a place. If you wanted to talk to Bob you called Bob's house. Maybe Bob was there. Maybe he wasn't. You rolled the dice. You know it has only been 30 years or so since answering machines started being widely used.
Now a phone number is a person. You want to talk to Bob you call him on the cell phone, then text him, then send him an email, then take your phone and facebook him. More pinpoint accuracy when trying to get a hold of someone but it comes at a price.
The current technology can be a very powerful tool for parents if used correctly. At the end of the day if the parent hasn't taught them right from wrong it doesn't matter whether they have a phone or not.
Alright, you made a good case if you need to talk with Bob immediately. But why would you ever be in a situation where you needed to talk to your child immediately, and couldn't unless they had a cell phone? Maybe if your child is 16+ and driving....but there's no need for your 10-15 year old child to have a cell phone. My kid (8) doesn't go anywhere that I can't get in touch with him if I need to call him.
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Alright, you made a good case if you need to talk with Bob immediately. But why would you ever be in a situation where you needed to talk to your child immediately, and couldn't unless they had a cell phone? Maybe if your child is 16+ and driving....but there's no need for your 10-15 year old child to have a cell phone. My kid (8) doesn't go anywhere that I can't get in touch with him if I need to call him.
Agree with you to some extent, but as the age climbs, the practicality becomes more legit. If I drop off my 13-14 year old with 3 of his friends at the varsity football game/movies/mall/etc and then go home (2-5 miles away), it's nice for him to be able to call me should something come up ("game is going long, come 20 minutes later", or "I twisted my ankle and can't walk, come pick me up", etc).
Also, it just says teens, not their age. I don't know what the cutoff is for when something is child porn and not just regular porn. My guess is under 18, which could mean these girls are 16 or 17, in which case it would be pretty normal to have cell phones.
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It has been before a court before. And the defendant was found guilty of possessing child pornography.
The ACLU says the case is the first in the nation to challenge whether prosecutors can file child-pornography charges in "sexting" cases. It argues that harmless photos shouldn't be criminalized.
Do they say this because maybe this is the first case where the actual kids in the pictures were the very ones to photograph and send the pictures? I could see some perv that downloaded child porn to his phone from some website being found guilty. Or even a perv who used his camera phone to take pictures of kids.
But maybe this is unique because the people being charged are actually the ones who are in the pictures....pictures they took themselves and sent out themselves. (?)
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20 years ago it was folks my parents age asking "what the hell are these kids doing running around with these Polaroid cameras"?
I can answer that. We were taking dirty pictures. Or at least trying/hoping we would get to.
The want to see boobies has never changed. The technology and culture has.
Remember the hot teacher you had? Willingly score with her 30 years ago you are a hero. Willingly score with her now you have been raped.
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Agree with you to some extent, but as the age climbs, the practicality becomes more legit. If I drop off my 13-14 year old with 3 of his friends at the varsity football game/movies/mall/etc and then go home (2-5 miles away), it's nice for him to be able to call me should something come up ("game is going long, come 20 minutes later", or "I twisted my ankle and can't walk, come pick me up", etc).
Also, it just says teens, not their age. I don't know what the cutoff is for when something is child porn and not just regular porn. My guess is under 18, which could mean these girls are 16 or 17, in which case it would be pretty normal to have cell phones.
It could be 16 or 17, but I highly doubt it. The problems we are having in my area is within the age of 13-15.
And IMO, 13 year old children shouldn't be dropped off anywhere and left without adult supervision. Therefore, there would be no need for them having a cell phone.
20 years ago it was folks my parents age asking "what the hell are these kids doing running around with these Polaroid cameras"?
I can answer that. We were taking dirty pictures. Or at least trying/hoping we would get to.
The want to see boobies has never changed. The technology and culture has.
Which is exactly my point. No way in hell am I putting my 13 year old son in a situation where teenage immaturity could rear it's ugly head and get him in a world of poop.
It happens every day. Even in small little towns.
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It happens every day. Even in small little towns.
What does? Scoring with a hot teacher? Apparently I need to move.
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What does? Scoring with a hot teacher? Apparently I need to move.
That probably does too. But I'm talking about the trouble unattended 13 year old kids find themselves in.
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Do they say this because maybe this is the first case where the actual kids in the pictures were the very ones to photograph and send the pictures? I could see some perv that downloaded child porn to his phone from some website being found guilty. Or even a perv who used his camera phone to take pictures of kids.
But maybe this is unique because the people being charged are actually the ones who are in the pictures....pictures they took themselves and sent out themselves. (?)
I know there was a case where a 17 year old boy was texted illicit pictures from his 15 year old girlfriend, and charged with possession of child pornography. I'm not sure if the case was throw out or what happened, but I can say that this is not a first... Maybe a first as to the specific circumstances as you mentioned above.
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Found it.
High Schoolers Accused Of Sending Naked Pictures To Each Other
Posted: 9:11 am EST January 13, 2009
Updated: 5:44 pm EST January 13, 2009
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GREENSBURG, Pa. -- Three teenage girls who allegedly sent nude or semi-nude cell phone pictures of themselves, and three male classmates in a Greensburg Salem High School who received them, are charged with child pornography.
Police said the girls are 14 or 15, and the boys charged with receiving the photos are 16 or 17. None are being identified because most criminal cases in Pennsylvania juvenile courts are not public.
"It was a self portrait taken of a juvenile female taking pictures of her body, nude," said Capt. George Seranko of the Greensburg Police Department.
Police said school officials learned of the photos in October. That's when a student was seen using a cell phone during school hours, which violates school rules. The phone was seized, and the photos were found on it, police said. When police investigated, other phones with more pictures were seized.
"Taking nude pictures of yourself, nothing good can come out of it," said Seranko.
The Greensburg Salem School District issued a statement on Tuesday saying there was “no evidence of inappropriate activity on school grounds or during the school day other than the violation of the (school's) electronic devices policy.”
The school district said it only became aware of the arrest of the students on Monday and will continue to work cooperatively with police, as well as continue to enforce its electronic devices policy and educate students on the dangers of inappropriate use of electronic devices.
Police said the girls are being charged with manufacturing, disseminating or possessing child pornography while the boys face charges of possession.
"It's very dangerous," said Seranko. "Once it's on a cell phone, that cell phone can be put on the Internet where everyone in the world can get access to that juvenile picture. You don't realize what you are doing until it's already done."
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The confusion on my part was due to the fact that this is the same case from a year ago. The defendants appealed to Federal Court. Same case, just a year later and in Federal Court.
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I know there was a case where a 17 year old boy was texted illicit pictures from his 15 year old girlfriend, and charged with possession of child pornography. I'm not sure if the case was throw out or what happened, but I can say that this is not a first... Maybe a first as to the specific circumstances as you mentioned above.
Here is where the law is sticky, IMO. If anyone is to blame here, it's the 15 year old girlfriend's parents who enabled her by giving her the cell phone. No way in hell should that kid be charged with possessing child pornography.
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Slippery slop there token. That's like saying you give your kid anything, and as harmless as it may be, he turns it into something deadly, should you be held liable?
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Slippery slop there token. That's like saying you give your kid anything, and as harmless as it may be, he turns it into something deadly, should you be held liable?
Let me say, I don't believe ANY legal action should take place here. No crime was committed. I'm just saying that her parents shouldn't be trying to press charges when they're the ones who gave her the phone.
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Slippery slop there token. That's like saying you give your kid anything, and as harmless as it may be, he turns it into something deadly, should you be held liable?
Not really... The difference is that the parents are providing it to their kids. It is definitely the parent's responsibility to ensure that their brats aren't doing anything stupid or illegal with the new toy. Think of it this way... If those same kids go out and trash personal property, the parents are usually held liable for the damages and sometimes charged with crime.
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Not really... The difference is that the parents are providing it to their kids. It is definitely the parent's responsibility to ensure that their brats aren't doing anything stupid or illegal with the new toy. Think of it this way... If those same kids go out and trash personal property, the parents are usually held liable for the damages and sometimes charged with crime.
But do they get to do it nekid?
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Not really... The difference is that the parents are providing it to their kids. It is definitely the parent's responsibility to ensure that their brats aren't doing anything stupid or illegal with the new toy. Think of it this way... If those same kids go out and trash personal property, the parents are usually held liable for the damages and sometimes charged with crime.
To be held liable for a crime committed by ones child, a ton of things are taken into consideration. Generally, parents aren't held liable. It depends on the situation, childrens age, etc. Anyway, it almost never happens due to the wording of most statutes.
Usually held liable for most civil damages.
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Usually held liable for most civil damages.
Agreed... But, I do believe that parents should be held more responsible for the criminal actions of their children. It would have a very positive affect on society.
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Agreed... But, I do believe that parents should be held more responsible for the criminal actions of their children. It would have a very positive affect on society.
Only if you loosen the child abuse laws.
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Not really... The difference is that the parents are providing it to their kids. It is definitely the parent's responsibility to ensure that their brats aren't doing anything stupid or illegal with the new toy. Think of it this way... If those same kids go out and trash personal property, the parents are usually held liable for the damages and sometimes charged with crime.
This is what I'm thinking. And you better believe that I will be going through my child's phone, text by text, picture by picture, looking for pics of nude tweens making sure that he is not doing or saying anything stupid with it. The parents have got to have more control over these priviledges and enforce that they are, in fact, priviledges which can be taken away indefinitely if used inappropriately.
This chick in this case sending out nude photos? I feel pretty strongly that if the parents were to look through her phone prior to that event, they would have found some other damning evidence that could potentially have prevented this fuck-up.
Only if you loosen the child abuse laws.
All you got to tell them is that you are only beating them because you love them. :sarcasm:
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This is what I'm thinking. And you better believe that I will be going through my child's phone, text by text, picture by picture, looking for pics of nude tweens making sure that he is not doing or saying anything stupid with it. The parents have got to have more control over these priviledges and enforce that they are, in fact, priviledges which can be taken away indefinitely if used inappropriately.
This chick in this case sending out nude photos? I feel pretty strongly that if the parents were to look through her phone prior to that event, they would have found some other damning evidence that could potentially have prevented this phuk-up.
You can delete text messages from your phone. Most smart kids would. I'm pretty sure you can get a print out of the text messages sent to and from the phone, but I'm not sure you can actually see the content in the text messages.
We had a similar case recently between a 14 year old female and an 18 year old male. We scared the living shit out of the 18 year old and I'm fairly certain his parents probably beat his ass. The girls parents were very upset and at first wanted to go as far as the law would allow. The next morning, however, they changed their minds. Apparently it sank in that their precious daughter wasn't as innocent as they would have liked and didn't want to ruin the 18 year old's life.
It was sad, but hey, they gave her the phone and freedom.
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If you beat them correctly they can't testify against you.
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If you beat them correctly they can't testify against you.
Beating them correctly constitutes whippings from ages 2-10. A lot of parents don't want to discipline their kids at that age, then they wind up over-correcting when regular beatings don't work on their 14 year old smart ass.
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My 13 yr old has a phone. He uses when he is over at a friends house or at a school function or church function. I look into it every now and then just to be sure. We do not have the data plan so sending pics costs money. Costing me money loses the phone. So no pics are sent.
Token, I know where my kid is at all times, but I want him to have the means to call if the situation turns in a direction that he is not comfortable with. According to you, I should just let what happens happen. I CHOOSE not to do that. When your child gets to be a teen, then flop you big masculine pecker out and show us how strict you are. I'm willing to bet at that time your child will have access to a cell phone too.
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Beating them correctly constitutes whippings from ages 2-10. A lot of parents don't want to discipline their kids at that age, then they wind up over-correcting when regular beatings don't work on their 14 year old smart ass.
That's what they make tasers for...
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That's what they make tasers for...
From 11 up they become azz whoopins'.
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Token, I know where my kid is at all times, but I want him to have the means to call if the situation turns in a direction that he is not comfortable with. According to you, I should just let what happens happen. I CHOOSE not to do that. When your child gets to be a teen, then flop you big masculine pecker out and show us how strict you are. I'm willing to bet at that time your child will have access to a cell phone too.
According to you, I should just let what happens happen.
1st, where did I say that? I'm not sure I understand exactly what you're getting at. Are you saying that you don't attend those church or school functions with your child, so he needs a cell phone to call you? I don't understand you're position.
When your child gets to be a teen, then flop you big masculine pecker out and show us how strict you are. I'm willing to bet at that time your child will have access to a cell phone too.
This is exactly where my "trying to be a friend" comment comes from. Because a parent decides their 13 year old child doesn't need a cell phone (because they don't), the parents are flexing their big bad masculine penis and being strict.
My kids will have a cell phone when they can pay their phone bill. Until then, they will only go places where they can call me if they need me. School functions? Teachers have cell phones. Church functions? Adult supervision will have a cell phone. My kids don't need cell phones.
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I'm going to give a snippet of a "sexting" story that I know about. I can't divulge any details because I'd lose my job.
Here's the story:
Teen Girl wants to date Teen Boy. Teen Boy does not like Teen Girl. Ignores her. Teen Girl tells Teen Boy that she will do whatever he wants to her. Teen Boy starts dating a new girl. Teen Girl decides to send a naked picture of herself to Teen Boy. Teen Boy thinks "holy shit!" and forwards the picture via text message to his friend. His friend decides to show someone else and gets busted with the picture on his phone.
Teen Girl's parents aren't happy and press charges.
Teen Boy is found guilty of distributing child pornography.
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I'm going to give a snippet of a "sexting" story that I know about. I can't divulge any details because I'd lose my job.
Here's the story:
Teen Girl wants to date Teen Boy. Teen Boy does not like Teen Girl. Ignores her. Teen Girl tells Teen Boy that she will do whatever he wants to her. Teen Boy starts dating a new girl. Teen Girl decides to send a naked picture of herself to Teen Boy. Teen Boy thinks "holy poop!" and forwards the picture via text message to his friend. His friend decides to show someone else and gets busted with the picture on his phone.
Teen Girl's parents aren't happy and press charges.
Teen Boy is found guilty of distributing child pornography.
And that is ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT. The parents shouldn't be allowed to press charges in this instance.
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1st, where did I say that? I'm not sure I understand exactly what you're getting at. Are you saying that you don't attend those church or school functions with your child, so he needs a cell phone to call you? I don't understand you're position.
This is exactly where my "trying to be a friend" comment comes from. Because a parent decides their 13 year old child doesn't need a cell phone (because they don't), the parents are flexing their big bad masculine penis and being strict.
My kids will have a cell phone when they can pay their phone bill. Until then, they will only go places where they can call me if they need me. School functions? Teachers have cell phones. Church functions? Adult supervision will have a cell phone. My kids don't need cell phones.
Whatever. How old are your kids?
My girlfriends daughter is 14 and she has a phone. She texts all the time. I check it at any time. She knows I check it at any time. She leaves it around the house and leaves it turned on. I check it then. Until we find her doing anything that can prove to us that she is untrustworthy...lying, being deceitful, etc...then I have to trust her.
I think that if you are too strict with your children, they will act out the minute that you can't control the situation. In my opinion, let your kid have responsibility for things that they show responsibility for. If you control every aspect of your kids life until he/she are 16, they are not going to know how to handle the responsibility when they get the chance. In my opinion, THAT is bad parenting. That is not giving the kids the skills in order to gradually make right decisions. If your 14 or 15 year old son or daughter is never anywhere you don't know where they are, what is going to happen when they turn 16 and get a license? I know. They are going to go nuts and start lying to you because you want to know where they are every second. Why not give them the responsibility when you can control the situation instead of throwing them into this cruel world without helping them in the maturity process...
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You can delete text messages from your phone. Most smart kids would. I'm pretty sure you can get a print out of the text messages sent to and from the phone, but I'm not sure you can actually see the content in the text messages.
True. But if they are deleted on both ends of the message, then they can't get in trouble for it. It doesn't make what they are doing any more right, but out of sight...out of mind. Unfortunately, it may hard for a teenage boy to bring himself to delete a picture of a nekkid classmate on his phone.
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Whatever. How old are your kids?
My girlfriends daughter is 14 and she has a phone. She texts all the time. I check it at any time. She knows I check it at any time. She leaves it around the house and leaves it turned on. I check it then. Until we find her doing anything that can prove to us that she is untrustworthy...lying, being deceitful, etc...then I have to trust her.
I think that if you are too strict with your children, they will act out the minute that you can't control the situation. In my opinion, let your kid have responsibility for things that they show responsibility for. If you control every aspect of your kids life until he/she are 16, they are not going to know how to handle the responsibility when they get the chance. In my opinion, THAT is bad parenting. That is not giving the kids the skills in order to gradually make right decisions. If your 14 or 15 year old son or daughter is never anywhere you don't know where they are, what is going to happen when they turn 16 and get a license? I know. They are going to go nuts and start lying to you because you want to know where they are every second. Why not give them the responsibility when you can control the situation instead of throwing them into this cruel world without helping them in the maturity process...
Did you have a cell phone when you were 14? If you didn't, were you less mature because of it? It's a bogus argument. Kids having a cellphone at that age isn't necessary for them to properly mature.
How is not giving your child a cell phone at the age of 14 being too strict? If you want to, fine. That's your choice. My ONLY point is, it isn't necessary for a 10-15 year old child to have a cell phone.
It's bullpoop. To say that a 14 year old kid needs a cell phone to "learn to handle" life decisions is bullpoop. And the argument that a parent is "too strict" if their 14 year old kid doesn't have a cell phone is bullpoop.
If a parent properly checks their kids cellphone and knows they aren't sending out child pornography, then great. CCTAU said that his plan doesn't allow picture messages. That's a damn good idea. But there are a lot of parents that don't even bother to check ANYTHING. They just buy the cellphone and tell them to have fun with it. Then they want to flip out and put someone in jail when they get a forwarded tit shot of their daughter on their own cellphone.
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Did you have a cell phone when you were 14? If you didn't, were you less mature because of it? It's a bogus argument. Kids having a cellphone at that age isn't necessary for them to properly mature.
How is not giving your child a cell phone at the age of 14 being too strict? If you want to, fine. That's your choice. My ONLY point is, it isn't necessary for a 10-15 year old child to have a cell phone.
It's bullpoop. To say that a 14 year old kid needs a cell phone to "learn to handle" life decisions is bullpoop. And the argument that a parent is "too strict" if their 14 year old kid doesn't have a cell phone is bullpoop.
If a parent properly checks their kids cellphone and knows they aren't sending out child pornography, then great. CCTAU said that his plan doesn't allow picture messages. That's a damn good idea. But there are a lot of parents that don't even bother to check ANYTHING. They just buy the cellphone and tell them to have fun with it. Then they want to flip out and put someone in jail when they get a forwarded tit shot of their daughter on their own cellphone.
You changed your argument. Your initial argument was cell phones are bad and your child wasn't going to have one.
And I never said a 14 year old "needed" a phone. The cell phone is a privilege. If anything....it is damn good leverage...
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Alright, you made a good case if you need to talk with Bob immediately. But why would you ever be in a situation where you needed to talk to your child immediately, and couldn't unless they had a cell phone? Maybe if your child is 16+ and driving....but there's no need for your 10-15 year old child to have a cell phone. My kid (8) doesn't go anywhere that I can't get in touch with him if I need to call him.
Sorry. I have to disagree.
My daughter got a cell phone when she was 13.
She was in the band and played various sports. That required her to be on trips that my wife and I couldn't always make. We got her a cell phone so we could get in touch with her and vice versa when she was gone. Came in very handy several times because PARENTS are utterly irresponsible.
In many cases the kids had to ride with parents to the games since the school didn't always provide busing. Parents would get there and then make alternate plans. Most notably, one bitch who noticed there was an outlet mall 40 miles off the path on the way home and decided to detour. She shuffled kids around so that the ones whose parents might object to the detour would not be in her car any longer. Some kids inadvertently got left out and without a cell phone might have been stranded several hundred miles from home because of this idiot woman.
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You changed your argument. Your initial argument was cell phones are bad and your child wasn't going to have one.
And I never said a 14 year old "needed" a phone. The cell phone is a privilege. If anything....it is damn good leverage...
Maybe I harped a little on the dumbass things kids do with phones, but my entire argument was that a kid from the age of 10-15 doesn't need a cell phone. I'm fairly certain I've maintained and mentioned in each response that I've posted.
But I do agree, phones could be excellent leverage.
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Sorry. I have to disagree.
My daughter got a cell phone when she was 13.
She was in the band and played various sports. That required her to be on trips that my wife and I couldn't always make. We got her a cell phone so we could get in touch with her and vice versa when she was gone. Came in very handy several times because PARENTS are utterly irresponsible.
In many cases the kids had to ride with parents to the games since the school didn't always provide busing. Parents would get there and then make alternate plans. Most notably, one bitch who noticed there was an outlet mall 40 miles off the path on the way home and decided to detour. She shuffled kids around so that the ones whose parents might object to the detour would not be in her car any longer. Some kids inadvertently got left out and without a cell phone might have been stranded several hundred miles from home because of this idiot woman.
When I was in 6th grade, I went to Washington D.C. for a week with my class, no parents. When I was in 7th grade I spent a week in Hoover for a Junior United Nations Assembly, no parents. In the 8th grade? Beta Club convention in Montgomery for a week, no parents.
I did all three without a cell phone, and lived to type about it.
Cell phones are convenient, I agree. But without them, civilization would carry on.
P.S. I just stood on the side of a busy highway for 2 hours diverting traffic because of a 4 car accident with serious injuries. The cause? You guessed it, a 16 year old texting.
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When I was in 6th grade, I went to Washington D.C. for a week with my class, no parents. When I was in 7th grade I spent a week in Hoover for a Junior United Nations Assembly, no parents. In the 8th grade? Beta Club convention in Montgomery for a week, no parents.
I did all three without a cell phone, and lived to type about it.
Cell phones are convenient, I agree. But without them, civilization would carry on.
P.S. I just stood on the side of a busy highway for 2 hours diverting traffic because of a 4 car accident with serious injuries. The cause? You guessed it, a 16 year old texting.
Token, I don't think anyone here would argue that it is a life sustaining necessity for a 13-15 year old to have a phone. But the "we got by without them when we were kids" argument isn't a good one in my opinion. We also all got by without check-cards/credit cards, pay at the pump, online banking, cable TV, etc back in the day too. We got by without the internet...especially the internet on my phone accessible from anywhere in the world.
However, all of the things I mentioned above, when used responsibly, have made a lot of functions of life much, much more convenient. Sure, they can all also ruin your life. But having your 13-15 year old carry a cell phone can be of great benefit....if used responsibly. I do agree that it's the parents job to see to it that guidelines are in place to ensure the responsibility. But that's true of everything in our child's lives...whether it's how they use their brains, bodies, words, attitudes, or how they use their cell phone, cell phone camera, and texting....in the end, it's our job to guide them to making good decisions.
It's similar to "the love of money is the root of all sorts of evil"...money is not the root...but the love of money. The cell phone in the hands of a young teenager is nothing but a help to all involved...the cell phone in the hands of an irresponsible teen could potentially lead to trouble. I even add "potentially" because it's not as if the cell phone is inherently dangerous. It's not as if we're giving them a gun or drugs and hoping they're responsible.
Anyway, to me, in the end, we can't really have a definitive answer to this anyway. Like most things in life...as kids grow up, different kids will be of different maturity levels and be able to handle certain responsibilities at different times. There are some 40 year olds that aren't responsible enough to have a cell phone. And there are some 15 year olds that I would trust to manage my money before some 50 years olds. So for each of us with kids, we're going to make those calls as the time comes, and the right answer for you may be different than the right answer for someone else.
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Sexting between consenting adults is great.
I get nekkid pics all the time.
Sometimes I share them.
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Sexting between consenting adults is great.
I get nekkid pics all the time.
Sometimes I share them.
You should always share. The problem doesn't arise until daddy's 14 year old princess sends a pic of her tits to the senior quarterback in her high school, who then shares with all of his friends. Then, when daddy finds his princess is a whore, he wants the senior to be locked up and registered as a sex offender.
Which is why the thread was started in the first place.
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You should always share. The problem doesn't arise until daddy's 14 year old princess sends a pic of her tits to the senior quarterback in her high school, who then shares with all of his friends. Then, when daddy finds his princess is a whore, he wants the senior to be locked up and registered as a sex offender.
Which is why the thread was started in the first place.
The guy who gets the picture has to delete it if he knows the age of the sender. AND he should alert the authorities so he stays out of trouble.
That's the only way.
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The guy who gets the picture has to delete it if he knows the age of the sender. AND he should alert the authorities so he stays out of trouble.
That's the only way.
I agree and you agree, BUT. Tits is the tits and a raging hormonal teenager is going to keep the pic around for a good looking at. mean, hell its' free tits form a girl that is in his dating range. +/- 3 yrs.
At some point in time, the individual showing it off needs to be held responsible.
If said 14 yr old comes out in public and takes her shirt off and shakes the money makers at all involved, can all involved take it back. No, Its done been shook. And that person would get arrested for public indecency. In that case, it is the person showing the tits that is responsible. IT should be the same in sexting.
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This just will not be a concern for me. K and S are going to be homeschooled in my backyard by three Amish women. Problem solved.
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This just will not be a concern for me. K and S are going to be homeschooled in my backyard by three Amish women. Problem solved.
Rumspringa. Just sayin'.
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Rumspringa. Just sayin'.
Their teachers may be Amish, but I sure as hell am not. No Rumspringa in my backyard...
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Their teachers may be Amish, but I sure as hell am not. No Rumspringa in my backyard...
Well, if you need some security devices not available to the general public in the future, let me know. I'll hook you up.