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Auburn coach Gene Chizik will let others worry about bowls...he's recruiting
By Charles Goldberg -- The Birmingham News
November 28, 2009, 11:55AM
Gene Chizik fires up the fans at Tiger Walk on Friday
Gene Chizik said Saturday he's going to let other people worry about Auburn's bowl prospects.
He's thinking about recruiting.
The Auburn coach looked back at the Tigers' 26-21 loss to Alabama on Friday, but also was focused very much with an eye on the future. Auburn has already made inroads with some big-time commitments this recruiting year. Chizik wants more, so he'll let bowl committees and Auburn administrators sort out the Tigers' post-season plans.
"I'm worried about recruiting. That's what I worried about right now,'' Chizik said. "That's what we're going to do. We're hitting the road starting (as soon as possible)."
Chizik said his message to recruits is: "We're really excited about the future. I think it's really, really bright. In recruiting, the opportunities for these young guys to come in and be a part of a very special place, a very special family, and having a chance to play early early in their careers is across the board. It's evident by the number of scholarship players we're playing with right now. There are just opportunities out there."
Chizik said he entertained a new wave of prospects Friday and Saturday.
"We've been meeting with our recruits all last night and all this morning and throughout the day, and it's overwhelming the response that their parents and they have felt by our fan base.''
Chizik, of course, wants a good bowl because "we want to give our kids the opportunity to play in the best bowl they can. They've earned that."
**Chizik was asked if he's satisfied with his first regular season as head coach.
"Satisfied with the fact of us building a foundation in what we know will be great here,'' he said. "We've done that. Are there some games like yesterday that we wished we could have pulled out? There's no question about it. We've have a chance for eight wins in our first year, but, more importantly, we have set down a foundation for what we think for a very, very bright future here. I think that was evident for everybody yesterday.''
**On the game, Chizik said, "We had some chances in the second half with good field position, I just wish we would have been able to capitalize on.
"Even their drives, much of the game was starting at the 40 or beyond, and defensively it put us in a bind. Field position issues at the end of the day, with special teams, that cost us some points.
**Auburn's immediate plans are this:
"We're really going to focus on the academic world, not that we don't during the year. We're going to let our guys heal up. We're going to give them an opportunity for their bodies to heal until we find out what's going on."
**On the benefits of bowl practice:
"I think it's really big. It's an opportunity for us to get an `X' amount of practices in, really a whole spring practice. All those reps that accumulate over time.''
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So far I'm impressed with Chizik, we need to finish strong in recruiting.
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If you mean he gets that he needs to say things fans want to hear - bingo.
If you mean he gets it as in college football coaching or recruiting - FAIL. The jury is way out on this one. All he's proven so far is he can get Auburn to beat (most of) the mediocre teams in the SEC. He hasn't proven he can manage a clock in the final minutes of a game (or manage the coaches that manage said clock).
This story is far from over, so I'm not ready to call him a FAIL yet, but I'm not putting on the jersey, throwing shit tickets in the trees, or firing up the band yet either.
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Let's hope that he can finish strong in 'cruitin this year. We need Mower Stars.
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[quote author=The Prowler Coach Chizik gets it....
If you mean he gets that he needs to say things fans want to hear - bingo.
If you mean he gets it as in college football coaching or recruiting - FAIL. The jury is way out on this one. All he's proven so far is he can get Auburn to beat (most of) the mediocre teams in the SEC. He hasn't proven he can manage a clock in the final minutes of a game (or manage the coaches that manage said clock).
This story is far from over, so I'm not ready to call him a FAIL yet, but I'm not putting on the jersey, throwing poop tickets in the trees, or firing up the band yet either.
I didnt see Prowler say that in his post.
Or did you just get silly with the quote feature? LOL
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He reminds me a lot of a certain bammer coach. No not satan but rather his predecessor.
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If you mean he gets that he needs to say things fans want to hear - bingo.
If you mean he gets it as in college football coaching or recruiting - FAIL. The jury is way out on this one. All he's proven so far is he can get Auburn to beat (most of) the mediocre teams in the SEC. He hasn't proven he can manage a clock in the final minutes of a game (or manage the coaches that manage said clock).
This story is far from over, so I'm not ready to call him a FAIL yet, but I'm not putting on the jersey, throwing shit tickets in the trees, or firing up the band yet either.
So...Coach Chizik is a FAIL at recruiting? But then you follow it up with, "the jury is way out on this one". I think Coach Chizik has done a really good job so far and I'm not even talking about Recruiting. When Auburn lands most of their remaining "Big Cats", that they have left on the board, I think people like yourself and of course greaseybammer will be singing a different tune about his recruiting abilities.
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So...Coach Chizik is a FAIL at recruiting? But then you follow it up with, "the jury is way out on this one". I think Coach Chizik has done a really good job so far and I'm not even talking about Recruiting. When Auburn lands most of their remaining "Big Cats", that they have left on the board, I think people like yourself and of course greaseybammer will be singing a different tune about his recruiting abilities.
....and we're still talking about his recruiting triumphs before his first full class has even sent in their LOIs. Amazing. After hearing "they haven't even played a down of college ball yet!!!" for the past three years.....
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....and we're still talking about his recruiting triumphs before his first full class has even sent in their LOIs. Amazing. After hearing "they haven't even played a down of college ball yet!!!" for the past three years.....
You didn't hear that from me, because I know that some prospects will be studs out of the gate, some will take a few years to get up to the speed and some won't be able to handle it...regardless of their $tar Power.
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If you mean he gets that he needs to say things fans want to hear - bingo.
I wouldn't go that far. Chizik isn't any kind of media or fan darling....he gives credit to Auburn fans, as is their due, but I am hard pressed to think of anyone who is stingier with info or just plain words period. I don't think he's interested in swaying the fans.
Did it happen to be what we wanted to hear? yes. But he didn't just say he was gonna hit the road, he hit it. Good enough for me right now.
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I wouldn't go that far. Chizik isn't any kind of media or fan darling....he gives credit to Auburn fans, as is their due, but I am hard pressed to think of anyone who is stingier with info or just plain words period. I don't think he's interested in swaying the fans.
Did it happen to be what we wanted to hear? yes. But he didn't just say he was gonna hit the road, he hit it. Good enough for me right now.
Don't go inserting logic this discussion...
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Don't go inserting logic this discussion...
Facts and logic are a fucking bitch aint they?
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Yes AUsweetheart, whenever you insert Facts and/or Logic into the conversation just remember that one of the posters, that you're responding to, is this guy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEXSffZgNzs&NR=1# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEXSffZgNzs&NR=1#)
I'll let you guess which one it is......
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Look, when Corch Saybins came in, Bama was somewhere in the neighborhood talentwise to where Auburn is now. Competitive but no threat to win a championship. He pounded the F'n pavement and brought in two killer recruiting classes to bring the program up to speed and now they're in the MNC mix.
If you look at the way this Auburn class is quickly shaping up, you'll realize that if they close with a few more studs...the first piece of the puzzle will be in place. As long as Chizik and his staff continue to go at recruiting with the same fire as they have to date, this program is going to be in the MNC hunt very soon as well.
He can coachspeak all the hell he wants. As long as he's out there busting his ass for his millions and more importantly, for Auburn, I'm cool with what he's done so far and I'd say, "He gets it".
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I personally don't give a damn if he never opens his mouth again to anyone but players and recruits. I don't want him to talk, just to win football games.
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TW we are much better if he does just as you request. Of course he does need to let someone talk to the recruits though.
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Of course he does need to let someone talk to the recruits though.
Why? All the AU players that played for him before love him....these kids now seem to love him. I don't give a shit what he tell us...whatever he tells them seems to be working.
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I been trying to tell yall. Us and yall next year. Fuck Bammer and LSU.
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Why? All the AU players that played for him before love him.
Ummmmmm, uhhhhh no they don't. some do others don't. That is a very bold speculative statement you put forth as fact. This shows that YOU like/love him and are trying to build him up. That is just like some players on this team love him and others can't stand him.
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Ummmmmm, uhhhhh no they don't. some do others don't. That is a very bold speculative statement you put forth as fact. This shows that YOU like/love him and are trying to build him up. That is just like some players on this team love him and others can't stand him.
No. Several players, including Carlos Rogers, came back to his press conference when he was announced the coach. Every recruit and every player that is interviewed says they love Chizik and he is a "father" figure to them. Your statement above is stupid.
My pendulum has swung back over to the "Chizik supporting" side. We played well the last couple of weeks, but just couldn't pull out a couple of games. If we land some of these guys that we are going after, as HB said, the foundation will be set. He says and does the right things to the media, fans and apparently players.
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Ummmmmm, uhhhhh no they don't. some do others don't. That is a very bold speculative statement you put forth as fact. This shows that YOU like/love him and are trying to build him up. That is just like some players on this team love him and others can't stand him.
I will back up the statement she has made with what I have been told by some players and players parents.
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The players at Notre Dame loved Charlie Weis so much, they elected to walk slowly out of the tunnel with him last weekend instead of run out in front of.
Players loving you doesn't mean anything.
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The players at Notre Dame loved Charlie Weis so much, they elected to walk slowly out of the tunnel with him last weekend instead of run out in front of.
Players loving you doesn't mean anything.
Chizik's players at Auburn didnt go 15-21 over 3 seasons. Winners, ie - Carlos Rogers, versus Losers at ND. Just saying.....:)
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Chizik's players at Auburn didnt go 15-21 over 3 seasons.
Not yet they didn't....
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Chizik's players at Auburn didnt go 15-21 over 3 seasons. Winners, ie - Carlos Rogers, versus Losers at ND. Just saying.....:)
Wow, so now you guys are giving him credit as a head coach for wins with a different head coach. Thats some Prowler-esqe rationalization there.
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The players at Notre Dame loved Charlie Weis so much, they elected to walk slowly out of the tunnel with him last weekend instead of run out in front of.
Players loving you doesn't mean anything.
Let me phrase EXACTLY how it was told to me.
"We feel like we were robbed of the last couple of years by our coaches. They never even talked to us. These coaches do."
You do the math.
A coach does not have to be liked by his players. Those things come down to different coaching styles but they are expected to be a large part of these players lives while attending and playing at Auburn so hearing from the horses mouth that there was a hands off approach by the last coaching staff tells me all I need to know.
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Wow, so now you guys are giving him credit as a head coach for wins with a different head coach. Thats some Prowler-esqe rationalization there.
No dumb ass. I'm saying that I would put more stock in what players from a 13-0 squad, who are in the NFL, with more wins than any class in AU history at the time have to say about a coach, than players who went 15-21 under Weis and decided to lock arms with him at the end of the year. Seriously - Jason, Ronnie, Carlos, Junior - versus the ND Defense hugging Charlie in the tunnel? If a bar of Gold is talking to me versus a pile of dog poop, I'm gonna listen to the bar of gold.
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Not yet they didn't....
Was talking about 2002-2004. Not the players now.
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...so hearing from the horses mouth that there was a hands off approach by the last coaching staff tells me all I need to know.
The BBQ Boys phoned it in and got disconnected? I'm stunned. I think I need to go lay down.
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The BBQ Boys phoned it in and got disconnected? I'm stunned. I think I need to go lay down.
WTF are you talking about?
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WTF are you talking about?
The last coaches stunk it up at the end of their tenure is what I read into your post about the former players' comments. I was sarcastically showing surprise.
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The last coaches stunk it up at the end of their tenure is what I read into your post about the former players' comments. I was sarcastically showing surprise.
Yea I was missing the sarcasm.
A lot of mine doesn't translate over Al Gore's interwebs either.
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Remember the emoticons, peoples.
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Ummmmmm, uhhhhh no they don't. some do others don't. That is a very bold speculative statement you put forth as fact. This shows that YOU like/love him and are trying to build him up. That is just like some players on this team love him and others can't stand him.
Ok a few things... First, all the defensive players (and a few who weren't) I ever knew at AU, when Chizik was DC, loved him and respected him. They said he was tough but fair. Now this didn't mean a whole lot to me then, I might have paid more attention had I known he'd be our HC before the decade was out....but I do remember that. Not speculative at all.
Second, don't ever think you know what the fuck I mean, or am trying to do. My feelings on Chizik have nothing to do with my prior statement. YOUR feelings for the man may color everything you say and think about him. Mine do not.
Third, maybe there are some players that can't stand him.....but damn near every recruit mentions talking with Coach Chizik in a positive way....mentions it as a factor in considering Auburn....that FACT makes your statement, about having all the other coaches talk for him to recruits, reek of the unfounded, ignorant, baseless bullshit that it is.
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Ok a few things... First, all the defensive players (and a few who weren't) I ever knew at AU, when Chizik was DC, loved him and respected him. They said he was tough but fair. Now this didn't mean a whole lot to me then, I might have paid more attention had I known he'd our HC before the decade was out....but I do remember that. Not speculative at all.
Second, don't ever think you know what the fuck I mean, or am trying to do. My feelings on Chizik have nothing to do with my prior statement. YOUR feelings for the man may color everything you say and think about him. Mine do not.
Third, maybe there are some players that can't stand him.....but damn near every recruit mentions talking with Coach Chizik in a positive way....mentions it as a factor in considering Auburn....that FACT makes your statement, about having all the other coaches talk for him to recruits, reek of the unfounded, ignorant, baseless bullshit that it is.
It just moved.
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Ok a few things... First, all the defensive players (and a few who weren't) I ever knew at AU, when Chizik was DC, loved him and respected him. They said he was tough but fair. Now this didn't mean a whole lot to me then, I might have paid more attention had I known he'd our HC before the decade was out....but I do remember that. Not speculative at all.
Second, don't ever think you know what the fuck I mean, or am trying to do. My feelings on Chizik have nothing to do with my prior statement. YOUR feelings for the man may color everything you say and think about him. Mine do not.
Third, maybe there are some players that can't stand him.....but damn near every recruit mentions talking with Coach Chizik in a positive way....mentions it as a factor in considering Auburn....that FACT makes your statement, about having all the other coaches talk for him to recruits, reek of the unfounded, ignorant, baseless bullshit that it is.
Fact is if Chizik had never gone to Iowa State and failed and Auburn had hired the DC from Texas who had won here and there, the hire would have made sense and no one would have said anything about it. But he came here with that mark on his resume and like it or not, it'll take a long time to change it.
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It just moved.
Huh huh me too.
Sweetheart, you should know by now that you are arguing with Forrest Gump. You know - that little public school system IQ line? The minimum to attend a public school is 70. GW is RIIIGGGHHHT around here - 67.
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Huh huh me too.
Sweetheart, you should know by now that you are arguing with Forrest Gump. You know - that little public school system IQ line? The minimum to attend a public school is 70. GW is RIIIGGGHHHT around here - 67.
Apparently his momma sho did care about his education.
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Just some random stats that interested me.....
In 2008, CTT's total margin of loss was 76 points in 7 losses with half a season without an OC. Chizik's margin of loss for 5 losses was 61 points.
In 2008, CTT's total margin of win was 68 points in 5 wins. Chizik's margin of win is 123 in 7 wins. Both squads won only 1 road game.
Wins/Losses versus same opponents in 2008 and 2009 with rankings of opponents when AU played them, and end of the regular season record:
MSU
2008: W 3-2 (4-8)
2009: W 49-24 (5-7)
LSU
2008: L 26-21 (#6) (7-5)
2009: L 31-10 (#9) (9-3)
UT
2008: W 14-12 (5-7)
2009: W 26-22 (7-5)
Arkansas
2008: L 25-22 (5-7)
2009: L 44-23 (7-5)
UWV
2008: L 34-17 (8-4)
2009: W 41-30 (8-3)
Ole Miss
2008: L 17-7 (8-4)
2009: W 33-20 (#25) (8-4)
UGA
2008: L 17-13 (#10) (10-3)
2009: L 31-24 (7-5)
UA
2008: L 36-0 (#1) (12-0)
2009: L 26-21 (#2) (12-0)
The difference in the two years? AU was able to beat a WVU squad that was sans Pat White, and an Ole Miss squad that got its ass handed to it by a 4-7 MSU team. Now, I'm not so sure you can sit here and draw direct lines from year to year. Dynamics of teams change from year to year. Football as a whole changes from year to year. CTT didn't have an OC for half a year, and Chizik has had one all season. CTT had been at AU for 10 years, and this was Chizik's first year. However, 2008 was the worst year for CTT. I suppose use your brain on all of that.
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I would say the fact that CTT was there for 10 years makes his season more tragic because he had complete control over it.
Down years I can understand and even expect. Total disasters I do not. Not when you are being compensated in such a way to supposedly prevent that.
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I would say the fact that CTT was there for 10 years makes his season more tragic because he had complete control over it.
Down years I can understand and even expect. Total disasters I do not. Not when you are being compensated in such a way to supposedly prevent that.
I could even get past the recruiting being off if he had been willing to shake the staff up. I really really did not like Nall or Knox. Ensminger - I dont even want to go there.
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I would say the fact that CTT was there for 10 years makes his season more tragic because he had complete control over it.
Down years I can understand and even expect. Total disasters I do not. Not when you are being compensated in such a way to supposedly prevent that.
Bottom line is, CTT fucked up in hiring Franklin, and the administration has had an itchy finger for him for 4 years. He probably didn't know it at the time. If you look at the same gaudy stats that some of you did when you shit your pants in glee over his hire, how are you going to argue with what Franklin was doing? At Troy, no less. You can't blame the guy for taking a chance, especially with the amount of bitching fans have done over the years about being conservative on offense, etc. He hired a wide open guy. Things went South, and at least he recognized it wasn't going to work out over the long run, and tried to un-fuck it by firing Franklin, as he should have. I think it would have been more alarming to let Franklin stay another year or so to try and get things worked out.
Who is to say that CTT wouldn't have hired somebody like Malzahn at the end of 2008? The foundation was already laid out for the system, and some of the right players were there. I just think its terrible of the administration that CTT gave them 10 pretty good years, and the first fuckup (which he identified and tried desperately to un-fuck), he's out the door.
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I personally don't give a damn if he never opens his mouth again to anyone but players and recruits.
TW we are much better if he does just as you request. Of course he does need to let someone talk to the recruits though.
Reading is fundamental, Greaseball.
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Bottom line is, CTT phuked up in hiring Franklin, and the administration has had an itchy finger for him for 4 years. He probably didn't know it at the time. If you look at the same gaudy stats that some of you did when you poop your pants in glee over his hire, how are you going to argue with what Franklin was doing? At Troy, no less. You can't blame the guy for taking a chance, especially with the amount of bitching fans have done over the years about being conservative on offense, etc. He hired a wide open guy. Things went South, and at least he recognized it wasn't going to work out over the long run, and tried to un-phuk it by firing Franklin, as he should have. I think it would have been more alarming to let Franklin stay another year or so to try and get things worked out.
Who is to say that CTT wouldn't have hired somebody like Malzahn at the end of 2008? The foundation was already laid out for the system, and some of the right players were there. I just think its terrible of the administration that CTT gave them 10 pretty good years, and the first phukup (which he identified and tried desperately to un-phuk), he's out the door.
Administration I get. Jacobs is a fool.
Fans? Not so much. It pisses me off to no end to watch our fans bash on Tuberville now and trash his legacy. We put Pat Dye's name on the fucking stadium. Tuberville deserves better than the "he was lazy, couldn't recruit, fucked Auburn over" bullshit our people are giving him.
Watching idiots tear him down makes me, for the first time in my entire life, sad to be an Auburn fan. It's despicable how much like the hated bama so many of our fans have become.
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I haven't seen anyone here tearing him down. I think you will be hard pressed to find ANY Auburn folks that won't say they are grateful to him for a lot of things but glossing over what appear to some as flaws the final years do not make them untrue or make them bashers of the man in general.
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Administration I get. Jacobs is a fool.
Fans? Not so much. It pisses me off to no end to watch our fans bash on Tuberville now and trash his legacy. We put Pat Dye's name on the fucking stadium. Tuberville deserves better than the "he was lazy, couldn't recruit, fucked Auburn over" bullshit our people are giving him.
Watching idiots tear him down makes me, for the first time in my entire life, sad to be an Auburn fan. It's despicable how much like the hated bama so many of our fans have become.
There is always going to be bashing of a coach. Some people just don’t like who is in charge, like you with CGC. I don’t think most people are tearing him down, the last three years he and his staff seem to have gotten complacent, the recruiting numbers fall at the head coaches feet.
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I haven't seen anyone here tearing him down. I think you will be hard pressed to find ANY Auburn folks that won't say they are grateful to him for a lot of things but glossing over what appear to some as flaws the final years do not make them untrue or make them bashers of the man in general.
I won't have to press hard. It's all over here.
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I haven't seen anyone here tearing him down. I think you will be hard pressed to find ANY Auburn folks that won't say they are grateful to him for a lot of things but glossing over what appear to some as flaws the final years do not make them untrue or make them bashers of the man in general.
You complete me.
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Give it a couple years. Lots of people were pissed when Dye got us on proby.
It'll fade. I think CTT will land with his name on an entrance or something..... as long as he doesn't go to another SEC team.
Tubbs did good... I'm proud of him. Think his recruiting was lax these last couple years, but still think he was a great coach and did a lot of good for Auburn.
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Administration I get. Jacobs is a fool.
Fans? Not so much. It pisses me off to no end to watch our fans bash on Tuberville now and trash his legacy. We put Pat Dye's name on the fucking stadium. Tuberville deserves better than the "he was lazy, couldn't recruit, fucked Auburn over" bullshit our people are giving him.
Watching idiots tear him down makes me, for the first time in my entire life, sad to be an Auburn fan. It's despicable how much like the hated bama so many of our fans have become.
Here is something else I don't understand. Why is it every loss is Tuberville's fault, but every win is a sign of Chizik's prowess in both coaching and recruiting? The bread and butter of this team are guys that CTT left behind. Bates would have started, period I think. That kid is pretty good that Chizik brought in. But, am I missing some folks or something? It seems as if he is the only guy that Chizik brought in who is seeing some sort of major PT as a starter?
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Here is something else I don't understand. Why is it every loss is Tuberville's fault, but every win is a sign of Chizik's prowess in both coaching and recruiting? The bread and butter of this team are guys that CTT left behind. Bates would have started, period I think. That kid is pretty good that Chizik brought in. But, am I missing some folks or something? It seems as if he is the only guy that Chizik brought in who is seeing some sort of major PT as a starter?
We win-They lose.
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Here is something else I don't understand. Why is it every loss is Tuberville's fault, but every win is a sign of Chizik's prowess in both coaching and recruiting? The bread and butter of this team are guys that CTT left behind. Bates would have started, period I think. That kid is pretty good that Chizik brought in. But, am I missing some folks or something? It seems as if he is the only guy that Chizik brought in who is seeing some sort of major PT as a starter?
Mmmmm Bread and Butter, that sounds good. Maybe a little toasted. I'm hungry as hell. Nothing like real butter.
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I won't have to press hard. It's all over here.
Proof in the pudding and all that.
I have seen much harsher criticism on here of current staff members than of Tuberville's overall tenure.
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I won't have to press hard. It's all over here.
Humor me and press as hard as you can.
Everyone that I've seen who has laid blame for the depth issues this year (myself included) has stated that they respect the man and his accomplishments at Auburn. Tuberville is, unless someone will stand up and contradict me, universally loved.
I love my family, too, but that doesn't stop me from calling them out when I think they have fucked up. Tuberville and his staff clearly fucked up in the recruiting/personnel department over the final three years of their tenure. The attrition numbers posted earlier show that...unequivocally.
The reasons are all up for debate. We can all try and figure out why Taylor was born with female organs....there are plenty of theories on the subject, but the underlying cause (whatever it may be) does not change the fact that he's a woman. And whatever the reason was that Tuberville had a 46% attrition rate over the last three years of his tenure does not change the fact that it happened under his watch and has resulted in a paper thin team this year.
All that said, I still wouldn't trade the decade that Tuberville gave Auburn for anything. He was the right man, doing the right thing most of the time.
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Humor me and press as hard as you can.
Everyone that I've seen who has laid blame for the depth issues this year (myself included) has stated that they respect the man and his accomplishments at Auburn. Tuberville is, unless someone will stand up and contradict me, universally loved.
I love my family, too, but that doesn't stop me from calling them out when I think they have fucked up. Tuberville and his staff clearly fucked up in the recruiting/personnel department over the final three years of their tenure. The attrition numbers posted earlier show that...unequivocally.
The reasons are all up for debate. We can all try and figure out why Taylor was born with female organs....there are plenty of theories on the subject, but the underlying cause (whatever it may be) does not change the fact that he's a woman. And whatever the reason was that Tuberville had a 46% attrition rate over the last three years of his tenure does not change the fact that it happened under his watch and has resulted in a paper thin team this year.
All that said, I still wouldn't trade the decade that Tuberville gave Auburn for anything. He was the right man, doing the right thing most of the time.
100% concurrence.
Especially about Taylor's vagina.
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Taylor has a mangina?
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Taylor has a mangina?
It was ever in doubt that he does?
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Humor me and press as hard as you can.
Everyone that I've seen who has laid blame for the depth issues this year (myself included) has stated that they respect the man and his accomplishments at Auburn. Tuberville is, unless someone will stand up and contradict me, universally loved.
I love my family, too, but that doesn't stop me from calling them out when I think they have phuked up. Tuberville and his staff clearly phuked up in the recruiting/personnel department over the final three years of their tenure. The attrition numbers posted earlier show that...unequivocally.
The reasons are all up for debate. We can all try and figure out why Taylor was born with female organs....there are plenty of theories on the subject, but the underlying cause (whatever it may be) does not change the fact that he's a woman. And whatever the reason was that Tuberville had a 46% attrition rate over the last three years of his tenure does not change the fact that it happened under his watch and has resulted in a paper thin team this year.
All that said, I still wouldn't trade the decade that Tuberville gave Auburn for anything. He was the right man, doing the right thing most of the time.
I liked your speech.
You make the mistake of assuming your particular POV is the prevailing one, however.
If you haven't seen people characterize Tuberville as "lazy ass" and denigrate his abilities and legacy on this board then I really can't help you. You see what you want to see.
FWIW, you must not understand the term "unequivocally" Because there is nothing in the attrition numbers that indicates in any way, shape or form a recruiting failure. Attrition and recruiting are two different things.
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Humor me and press as hard as you can.
Everyone that I've seen who has laid blame for the depth issues this year (myself included) has stated that they respect the man and his accomplishments at Auburn. Tuberville is, unless someone will stand up and contradict me, universally loved.
I love my family, too, but that doesn't stop me from calling them out when I think they have fucked up. Tuberville and his staff clearly fucked up in the recruiting/personnel department over the final three years of their tenure. The attrition numbers posted earlier show that...unequivocally.
The reasons are all up for debate. We can all try and figure out why Taylor was born with female organs....there are plenty of theories on the subject, but the underlying cause (whatever it may be) does not change the fact that he's a woman. And whatever the reason was that Tuberville had a 46% attrition rate over the last three years of his tenure does not change the fact that it happened under his watch and has resulted in a paper thin team this year.
All that said, I still wouldn't trade the decade that Tuberville gave Auburn for anything. He was the right man, doing the right thing most of the time.
The problem here is if you look at his signing classes from 2002 thru 2008, the vast majority of them are identical on paper. 2007 was his best year. There were only two years he didn't bring in a five star recruit. Three out of five of AU's current starting OL were from the 07 class. In that class were also Josh Bynes, Wes Byrum, Eltoro Freeman (who went to JUCO). Oh, and guess who came out of the 08 class? Onterio McCalebb, Darvin Adams, and Eric Smith.
If anything, all you can blame the man for is being unable to predict the future. I didn't see anybody downing Chizik for taking a chance on that OL transfer from FSU. Shit, even I said he wasn't going to make it. Two weeks later, he's out. CTT gets reamed for not seeing 2 years into the future, but Chizik gets a pass for not being able to see two weeks into the future? I believe AU had a good bit of non-qualifiers from the '09 class (between 7-9?), and if I remember correctly, they were mostly guys Chizik drummed up. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong there.
Even showing the attrition numbers, we don't know if he could have worked with it. We don't know if he could have un-fucked it. The AU administration never gave him a chance. If you're using 2008 as your one and only example of he was unable to work with it or un-fuck it, thats a piss poor example for obvious reasons.
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I liked your speech.
You make the mistake of assuming your particular POV is the prevailing one, however.
If you haven't seen people characterize Tuberville as "lazy ass" and denigrate his abilities and legacy on this board then I really can't help you. You see what you want to see.
FWIW, you must not understand the term "unequivocally" Because there is nothing in the attrition numbers that indicates in any way, shape or form a recruiting failure. Attrition and recruiting are two different things.
FYI...Scott Kennedy says you're full of shit.
http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/article/20091202/SPORTS04/912020364/QB-CLUB-FSU-s-Bowden-was-best-closer-in-business-says-recruiting-analyst (http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/article/20091202/SPORTS04/912020364/QB-CLUB-FSU-s-Bowden-was-best-closer-in-business-says-recruiting-analyst)
Auburn, meanwhile, is making great strides in recruiting, and the Tigers' performance in
the recent Iron Bowl did not hurt, Kennedy said.
"This is not a rivalry for moral victories," said Kennedy, a 1996 graduate of Auburn University. "But as bad as Auburn had fallen recently, this was a good step in the right direction."
Auburn's fall, Kennedy said, lies at the footsteps of Tuberville and his staff.
"They lost their stomach for the fight," Kennedy said. "They quit fighting Georgia going for the (top-tier) athlete in Georgia. They quit fighting Florida and Miami in Florida. They quit fighting LSU for the top players in Louisiana. They quit fighting Tennessee.
"They would still battle Ole Miss and Mississippi State in Mississippi, but basically they became a second-tier recruiting school. And it was sickening.
"This (current) staff, they're fighting tooth and nail for everything, including the top recruits, and that attitude is showing itself on the field. I think it's a breath of fresh air."
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FYI...Scott Kennedy says you're full of poop.
http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/article/20091202/SPORTS04/912020364/QB-CLUB-FSU-s-Bowden-was-best-closer-in-business-says-recruiting-analyst (http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/article/20091202/SPORTS04/912020364/QB-CLUB-FSU-s-Bowden-was-best-closer-in-business-says-recruiting-analyst)
Funny. They all bray the same mantra without bothering to check any of the facts.
This guy? Clown.
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FYI...Scott Kennedy says you're full of shit.
http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/article/20091202/SPORTS04/912020364/QB-CLUB-FSU-s-Bowden-was-best-closer-in-business-says-recruiting-analyst (http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/article/20091202/SPORTS04/912020364/QB-CLUB-FSU-s-Bowden-was-best-closer-in-business-says-recruiting-analyst)
So, you're citing an AU grad who works for Scout as an unbiased opinion? Nice.
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So, you're citing an AU grad who works for Scout as an unbiased opinion? Nice.
Should we take it from a Bammer writer instead? Nice. Who cares really, RWS?
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Should we take it from a Bammer writer instead? Nice. Who cares really, RWS?
Who's RWS?
:popcorn:
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If anything, all you can blame the man for is being unable to predict the future. I didn't see anybody downing Chizik for taking a chance on that OL transfer from FSU. Shit, even I said he wasn't going to make it. Two weeks later, he's out. CTT gets reamed for not seeing 2 years into the future, but Chizik gets a pass for not being able to see two weeks into the future? I believe AU had a good bit of non-qualifiers from the '09 class (between 7-9?), and if I remember correctly, they were mostly guys Chizik drummed up. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong there.
Coach Chizik lost 6 prospects due to not qualifying and 1 due to his decision to play Pro Baseball.
**** Taikwon Paige DB
**** Reggie Taylor DB
*** Terrance Coleman DT
*** Izauea Lanier WR
*** LaVoyd James WR
** Josh Jackson DT
*** Brandon Jacobs RB (Pro Baseball)
21/28 is a lot better than 13/29, 13/30...of course the '09 Signing Class will become smaller if there's attrition like CTT's past 4 Signing Classes.
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Coach Chizik lost 6 prospects due to not qualifying and 1 due to his decision to play Pro Baseball.
**** Taikwon Paige DB
**** Reggie Taylor DB
*** Terrance Coleman DT
*** Izauea Lanier WR
*** LaVoyd James WR
** Josh Jackson DT
*** Brandon Jacobs RB (Pro Baseball)
21/28 is a lot better than 13/29, 13/30...of course the '09 Signing Class will become smaller if there's attrition like CTT's past 4 Signing Classes.
Did none of CTT's non-qualifiers eventually sign with AU?
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So, you're citing an AU grad who works for Scout as an unbiased opinion? Nice.
I'm sorry, I guess I missed the part where I said he was unbiased.
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Did none of CTT's non-qualifiers eventually sign with AU?
Some did, some where never heard from again.
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Some did, some where never heard from again.
Just wondering, because there are guys like Eltoro Freeman who might have carried over. Its going to be a few more years to see how Chizik's guys pan out. You don't know that his classes aren't going to turn out any different. If I had to pick two that I had to guess won't work out of the top of my head, I would go with Robert Cooper and Clint Moseley. Moseley might end up at WR, maybe. I think Nosa Eguae might have medical issues? The FSU OL transfer that lasted all of two weeks, after knowing he had baggage from FSU is done.
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Just wondering, because there are guys like Eltoro Freeman who might have carried over. Its going to be a few more years to see how Chizik's guys pan out. You don't know that his classes aren't going to turn out any different. If I had to pick two that I had to guess won't work out of the top of my head, I would go with Robert Cooper and Clint Moseley. Moseley might end up at WR, maybe. I think Nosa Eguae might have medical issues? The FSU OL transfer that lasted all of two weeks, after knowing he had baggage from FSU is done.
I've got a feeling that you'll be completely wrong about Moseley.
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I've got a feeling that you'll be completely wrong about Moseley.
That makes me feel a little better about my guess.
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Just wondering, because there are guys like Eltoro Freeman who might have carried over. Its going to be a few more years to see how Chizik's guys pan out. You don't know that his classes aren't going to turn out any different. If I had to pick two that I had to guess won't work out of the top of my head, I would go with Robert Cooper and Clint Moseley. Moseley might end up at WR, maybe. I think Nosa Eguae might have medical issues? The FSU OL transfer that lasted all of two weeks, after knowing he had baggage from FSU is done.
Not for sure, but he was hurt the first six games or so and they decided to not pull his RS and let him play. According to Rocker he was going to see a lot of playing time. I think he will be healthy and be back. Of course I have slept since I read that, so I might be imagining it, but pretty sure that is what I read about the time of the KY game week.