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Title: *Serious Diamond-in-the-rough*
Post by: The Prowler on October 30, 2009, 08:55:23 PM
Adrian Hubbard (http://fe1.rivals.sports.ac4.yahoo.com/auburn/football/recruiting/player-Adrian-Hubbard-71071) DE 6'7" 227lbs. *4.55 40 Norcross, Ga. (5 Grillz)

*The fourty time was reported earlier as a 4.44, this kid can fly, but he's not a 4.4 speed guy.  I'm saying 4.55, which is still flying for a guy that size.

The reason why he's a so called DITR, is because he took his Junior year off, maybe to concentrate on grades or basketball...not sure, but he's making a lot of noise on a very talented Norcross team.

Offers:
Tennessee State
Jacksonville State
North Carolina State
Kentucky
Maryland
South Carolina
FSU
Clemson

Schools showing interest:
Auburn
Georgia
SPuat

He's scheduled to be in Auburn tomorrow.  He's looking for an offer from Auburn and one could be on the way with DE Justin Delaine as a possible nonqualifier.


Adrian Hubbard Football Highlights 2009 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAHHcK_rgBA#)
Title: Re: *Serious Diamond-in-the-rough*
Post by: RWS on October 30, 2009, 09:25:41 PM
Now wait.....is this one of those guys who is a diamond in the rough who is the next Sen'Derrick Marks, but when the next guy comes in is a guy that should have never been offered?

See, AU wasting their time on a guy like this is why I think Chizik is not going to turn AU around. I mean, have you seen AU's run defense lately? Do you really think a 6'7" 227 pound DL is the answer? I know you don't want your DE's overly large and all, but damn. AU needs some straight up blue chip studs that can contribute immediately, not projects that may or may not qualify and will need a ton of "Yoxercising".
Title: Re: *Serious Diamond-in-the-rough*
Post by: Snaggletiger on October 31, 2009, 08:19:41 AM
The kid looks good.  He's relentless.  How many guys did he chase down whenthe play was a long way away from him.
Title: Re: *Serious Diamond-in-the-rough*
Post by: Townhallsavoy on October 31, 2009, 08:27:50 AM
Looks tremendously athletic.  Needs to put on 30 pounds (at least) and learn a lot more technique.  I don't know if "diamond in the rough" is right for this kid.  Seems more like a project that has potential to turn out well. 
Title: Re: *Serious Diamond-in-the-rough*
Post by: The Prowler on October 31, 2009, 09:15:17 PM
Now wait.....is this one of those guys who is a diamond in the rough who is the next Sen'Derrick Marks, but when the next guy comes in is a guy that should have never been offered?

See, AU wasting their time on a guy like this is why I think Chizik is not going to turn AU around. I mean, have you seen AU's run defense lately? Do you really think a 6'7" 227 pound DL is the answer? I know you don't want your DE's overly large and all, but damn. AU needs some straight up blue chip studs that can contribute immediately, not projects that may or may not qualify and will need a ton of "Yoxercising".
Adrian won't need a "ton" of yoxercising....he could easily handle 40lbs on that frame, and not lose that much speed at all.  This kid is a stud and I would love it if he gets the Auburn offer and ends his recruiting right then and there.  But from the looks of it, he'll wait until close to Feb.  Also, this kid could end up being the next Sen'D.....or not.  But, I would love to watch this kid wearing Orange & Blue, harassing the opposing QBs for 4 to 5 years.
Title: Re: *Serious Diamond-in-the-rough*
Post by: The Prowler on November 02, 2009, 08:01:18 PM
Now wait.....is this one of those guys who is a diamond in the rough who is the next Sen'Derrick Marks, but when the next guy comes in is a guy that should have never been offered?

See, AU wasting their time on a guy like this is why I think Chizik is not going to turn AU around. I mean, have you seen AU's run defense lately? Do you really think a 6'7" 227 pound DL is the answer? I know you don't want your DE's overly large and all, but damn. AU needs some straight up blue chip studs that can contribute immediately, not projects that may or may not qualify and will need a ton of "Yoxercising".
So, rws, is Coach midget wasting his time on a guy like this?  He just personally offered him a scholarship, is all.  The all knowing midget certainly thinks that I'm right...within a few years, this kid will be a stud wherever he goes.
Title: Re: *Serious Diamond-in-the-rough*
Post by: RWS on November 03, 2009, 02:02:06 PM
So, rws, is Coach midget wasting his time on a guy like this? 
Yes. He's an even worse fit for our defense as a DL than he is for AU's.
Title: Re: *Serious Diamond-in-the-rough*
Post by: Jumbo on November 04, 2009, 05:23:23 AM
Terrible technique, but he's shit yo pants fast.
Title: Re: *Serious Diamond-in-the-rough*
Post by: The Prowler on November 04, 2009, 06:31:46 PM
Again, rws....how bad is this kid?  ESPN seems to think that he's better than DE Corey Lemonier.  Here's the link to his ESPN profile, notice where they have him ranked.

ESPN Top 150 #78 player and the #8 DE in the Country, Adrian Hubbard (http://insider.espn.go.com/ncf/recruiting/tracker/player?recruitId=102625&season=2010&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fncf%2frecruiting%2ftracker%2fplayer%3frecruitId%3d102625%26season%3d2010)
Title: Re: *Serious Diamond-in-the-rough*
Post by: RWS on November 05, 2009, 07:30:16 AM
Again, rws....how bad is this kid?  ESPN seems to think that he's better than DE Corey Lemonier.  Here's the link to his ESPN profile, notice where they have him ranked.

ESPN Top 150 #78 player and the #8 DE in the Country, Adrian Hubbard (http://insider.espn.go.com/ncf/recruiting/tracker/player?recruitId=102625&season=2010&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fncf%2frecruiting%2ftracker%2fplayer%3frecruitId%3d102625%26season%3d2010)
The kid won't make it in the SEC, I'm telling you. I have no idea why AU or UA are recruiting him......I mean, unless he puts on about 80 lbs of good weight, he's useless on our DL. I'm not saying he's the most horrible prospect EVAR. I'm simply saying he doesn't fit. I don't care what you or ESPN says. God knows both have been wrong PLENTY of times. If he's smart, he will go to Clemson. He's smallish for an AU DL as well, but less smallish than he would be at UA.

If he goes to an SEC school, he will be a LB. If he wants to be a DL, then he should go to Clemson.
Title: Re: *Serious Diamond-in-the-rough*
Post by: Saniflush on November 05, 2009, 08:14:35 AM
The kid won't make it in the SEC, I'm telling you. I have no idea why AU or UA are recruiting him......I mean, unless he puts on about 80 lbs of good weight, he's useless on our DL. I'm not saying he's the most horrible prospect EVAR. I'm simply saying he doesn't fit. I don't care what you or ESPN says. God knows both have been wrong PLENTY of times. If he's smart, he will go to Clemson. He's smallish for an AU DL as well, but less smallish than he would be at UA.

If he goes to an SEC school, he will be a LB. If he wants to be a DL, then he should go to Clemson.

You can't ever be really sure where someone will end up position wise until they get on campus.
Signed
Karlos Dansby
Former WR
Title: Re: *Serious Diamond-in-the-rough*
Post by: War Eagle!!! on November 05, 2009, 08:19:58 AM
The kid won't make it in the SEC, I'm telling you. I am always right. Period. If you don't believe me, I will write 6 paragraphs in 15 posts to make you believe me. I have no idea why AU or UA are recruiting him......I mean, unless he puts on about 80 lbs of good weight, he's useless on our DL, weare BAMA after all. But then again, most recruits that would be allstars at other schools are useless to Bama...we are that loaded at every position. I'm not saying he's the most horrible prospect EVAR. I'm simply saying he doesn't fit into Alabama...Did I mention we roll 5 deep at every position. I don't care what you or ESPN or Saban or Chizik says. God knows everyone but me have been wrong PLENTY of times. I have never been wrong and everyone should consult me before choosing who to give scholarships to. If he's smart, he will go to Clemson. He's smallish for an AU DL as well, but less smallish than he would be at UA, and that is not saying that UA is that much better. It's just facts. This post is not condescending or arrogant in any way.

Yeah...you're probably right dude...
Title: Re: *Serious Diamond-in-the-rough*
Post by: RWS on November 05, 2009, 09:32:43 AM
Yeah...you're probably right dude...
Ok then.....go look at Alabama's DL roster and tell me how I am being arrogant. All of our first string DL are right around 300 lbs. He. Does. Not. Fit. Our. DL. Our smallest DL is 6'1" 264 lbs, and he's a 4th team NT.


Fill my replies with whatever inflammatory bullshit you want to try and get people on your side, but if you think he would fit in on UA's DL, thats crazy talk. Maybe as an OLB he would do OK. He's got pretty good size for that. I just wonder how he feels about moving out of his DL position. 
Title: Re: *Serious Diamond-in-the-rough*
Post by: AuburnChopper 3.0 on November 05, 2009, 09:39:22 AM
Ok then.....go look at Alabama's DL roster and tell me how I am being arrogant. All of our first string DL are right around 300 lbs. He. Does. Not. Fit. Our. DL. Our smallest DL is 6'1" 264 lbs, and he's a 4th team NT.


Fill my replies with whatever inflammatory bullshit you want to try and get people on your side, but if you think he would fit in on UA's DL, thats crazy talk. Maybe as an OLB he would do OK. He's got pretty good size for that. I just wonder how he feels about moving out of his DL position. 

We're already on his side if you haven't noticed.  It's YOUR job to try and convince us differently... You've failed.
Title: Re: *Serious Diamond-in-the-rough*
Post by: The Prowler on November 05, 2009, 06:31:20 PM
Ok then.....go look at Alabama's DL roster and tell me how I am being arrogant. All of our first string DL are right around 300 lbs. He. Does. Not. Fit. Our. DL. Our smallest DL is 6'1" 264 lbs, and he's a 4th team NT.


Fill my replies with whatever inflammatory bullshit you want to try and get people on your side, but if you think he would fit in on UA's DL, thats crazy talk. Maybe as an OLB he would do OK. He's got pretty good size for that. I just wonder how he feels about moving out of his DL position. 
You are an absolute RETARD if you think that a KID at 17 or 18, won't get bigger.  He's fuckin' SIX FOOT SEVEN!! Which means he'll be able to handle a lot of good weight, if that's what the coaches want from him.  So, in rws' book, EVERY player is as small or large in HighSchool as they will be when they're in their second or third year in college.  I guess Cody still weights 747lbs., I guess AJ Mcbrodie will still be 6'3" 128lbs. when he's the bammer starting QB, because he'll surely not be able to add any weight, at all....ever.
RWS
          :haha: Dumbass
Title: Re: *Serious Diamond-in-the-rough*
Post by: War Eagle!!! on November 05, 2009, 06:48:15 PM
I like the way you strategically placed the name RWS for the kid to point directly at it...
Title: Re: *Serious Diamond-in-the-rough*
Post by: RWS on November 06, 2009, 09:04:35 AM
You are an absolute RETARD if you think that a KID at 17 or 18, won't get bigger.  He's fuckin' SIX FOOT SEVEN!! Which means he'll be able to handle a lot of good weight, if that's what the coaches want from him.  So, in rws' book, EVERY player is as small or large in HighSchool as they will be when they're in their second or third year in college.  I guess Cody still weights 747lbs., I guess AJ Mcbrodie will still be 6'3" 128lbs. when he's the bammer starting QB, because he'll surely not be able to add any weight, at all....ever.
RWS
          :haha: Dumbass
Kids can put on weight. He is tall, but putting on 70-80 lbs of GOOD weight? Really? When a guy is 6'7" 227 lbs, and you ask him to put on that much weight, he's going to have to adjust to that weight. And thats a shitload of weight to put on in a short amount of time, and then learn how to play football with that weight. If you think this kid can put on 70-80 lbs of good weight, then great. If you think he will play the same exact way after gaining 70-80 lbs as he did when he was 227 lbs, then great. If you think he will have the same motor after gaining all that weight, then great. Thats all your little opinion, Prowler. Hug it, squeeze it, do whatever to get that warm fuzzy feeling inside. As a matter of fact, bookmark this thread. Please.
Title: Re: *Serious Diamond-in-the-rough*
Post by: Snaggletiger on November 06, 2009, 11:50:14 AM
Why in the world does he have to fit the mold of what's playing the position right now?  You wouldn't take a 250 pound Dwight Freeny coming off the end?  How about 6'6" 260 lb. Jason Taylor?  Very few DE's are in the 300 lb. range and I would think that's what this kid projects at with his frame and mobility.
Title: Re: *Serious Diamond-in-the-rough*
Post by: War Eagle!!! on November 06, 2009, 12:07:47 PM
Why in the world does he have to fit the mold of what's playing the position right now?  You wouldn't take a 250 pound Dwight Freeny coming off the end?  How about 6'6" 260 lb. Jason Taylor?  Very few DE's are in the 300 lb. range and I would think that's what this kid projects at with his frame and mobility.

How dare you not believe in what RWS is saying. May you be damned with reading a 4 paragraph response to your bullshit...
Title: Re: *Serious Diamond-in-the-rough*
Post by: Snaggletiger on November 06, 2009, 01:10:31 PM
How dare you not believe in what RWS is saying. May you be damned with reading a 4 paragraph response to your bullshit...


Nooooooo....what must I do to appease the intraweb gods?
Title: Re: *Serious Diamond-in-the-rough*
Post by: The Prowler on November 06, 2009, 06:43:23 PM

Nooooooo....what must I do to appease the intraweb gods?
You must realize that all great D1 teams have starting DEnds that weight at or over 300lbs.
Title: Re: *Serious Diamond-in-the-rough*
Post by: RWS on November 06, 2009, 07:09:34 PM
Why in the world does he have to fit the mold of what's playing the position right now?  You wouldn't take a 250 pound Dwight Freeny coming off the end?  How about 6'6" 260 lb. Jason Taylor?  Very few DE's are in the 300 lb. range and I would think that's what this kid projects at with his frame and mobility.
If you are insisting that he is going to be a DL in Alabama's defense, then he needs to be around 300 lbs. Linemen in a 3-4 scheme are pretty big. All of our starting DL are in the area of 300 lbs, and alot of the backups as well. To get somebody in the 260 lb range, you have to go to a 4th string DL. Like I said, maybe in AU's defense or say Clemson's defense he would fit in well. He would have to gain about 30 lbs for AU, but that wouldn't be difficult with his frame. He would be close to a good playing weight for Clemson as is. Maybe 10-15 lbs. Maybe. But he would have to gain a shitload of weight for Alabama, because of the DL CNS likes to have. If he came to UA, he would probably convert to LB. Probably at the JACK position.

Again, not saying this kid is the worst athlete ever. Not at all. Simply saying to those, such as Prowler who wanted to bring up the CNS offering him argument, that he would have a long way to go if he wanted to be on the DL at UA due to size.
Title: Re: *Serious Diamond-in-the-rough*
Post by: Token on December 08, 2009, 11:43:20 AM
For the record, this diamond in the rough who couldn't play Dline for Bama.....just committed to Alabama.  It appears that coach Saban doesn't agree with anyone who thinks he can't play.
Title: Re: *Serious Diamond-in-the-rough*
Post by: RWS on December 08, 2009, 11:46:05 AM
For the record, this diamond in the rough who couldn't play Dline for Bama.....just committed to Alabama.  It appears that coach Saban doesn't agree with anyone who thinks he can't play.
Just saw that. The only thing I can think of is he will play LB. I can't see where he fits into Alabama's DL, can you?
Title: Re: *Serious Diamond-in-the-rough*
Post by: AUChizad on December 08, 2009, 11:53:41 AM
 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Good pickup. I'd like to have gotten him, but at least it provided a chuckle thanks to this thread.

 :bamahomer: :haha:
Title: Re: *Serious Diamond-in-the-rough*
Post by: Token on December 08, 2009, 11:54:13 AM
Just saw that. The only thing I can think of is he will play LB. I can't see where he fits into Alabama's DL, can you?

He'll play Jack.  If Anders can put his hand in the dirt for 20+ snaps a game, so can this kid.  But I agree that he won' be full time DE.
Title: Re: *Serious Diamond-in-the-rough*
Post by: RWS on December 08, 2009, 11:58:35 AM
He'll play Jack.  If Anders can put his hand in the dirt for 20+ snaps a game, so can this kid.  But I agree that he won' be full time DE.
That was my only argument, was that he did not fit the mold of an Alabama DL.

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If he came to UA, he would probably convert to LB. Probably at the JACK position.
Title: Re: *Serious Diamond-in-the-rough*
Post by: RWS on December 08, 2009, 12:02:21 PM
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Good pickup. I'd like to have gotten him, but at least it provided a chuckle thanks to this thread.

 :bamahomer: :haha:
Whats funny is that I'm going to end up being right. No way this kid plays DL at Alabama. He will have to move to LB, and more than likely the outside Jack spot due to his speed. Which is what I already said earlier in the thread.
Title: Re: *Serious Diamond-in-the-rough*
Post by: Token on December 08, 2009, 12:12:28 PM
Whats funny is that I'm going to end up being right. No way this kid plays DL at Alabama. He will have to move to LB, and more than likely the outside Jack spot due to his speed. Which is what I already said earlier in the thread.

Sometimes you are a little too quick to pile on the prowler.  He said this kid can easily put on 40 pounds, and he's right.  40 pounds would put him at the 260, which is also the same size as Hightower.  In my opinion, this kid has the perfect frame to play at Jack.  Which means he will have his hand in the dirt at DE half of the time.

You made a hasty statement that this kid couldn't play in the SEC.  Saban wouldn't have offered the kid this late in the year if he didn't want him.
Title: Re: *Serious Diamond-in-the-rough*
Post by: JR4AU on December 08, 2009, 12:29:59 PM
Ok then.....go look at Alabama's DL roster and tell me how I am being arrogant. All of our first string DL are right around 300 lbs. He. Does. Not. Fit. Our. DL. Our smallest DL is 6'1" 264 lbs, and he's a 4th team NT.


Fill my replies with whatever inflammatory bullshit you want to try and get people on your side, but if you think he would fit in on UA's DL, thats crazy talk. Maybe as an OLB he would do OK. He's got pretty good size for that. I just wonder how he feels about moving out of his DL position. 

In a 4-3 scheme he's a DE...in a 3-4 he's an OLB.  Not sure which he'd better fit, but he's a pass rusher.  Though they require different personnel on the line, the 3-4 and 4-3 are a lot alike in many ways.  In either scheme there's usually 4 guys committed to pash rush or to occupy an OL as if they're a DL whether they're technically a DL or a LB. 

As for the kid that is the subject of this thread...who knows...something thinks he at least has some physical ability.  Will it translate?  Hard to say with the best of them, let alone a kid that hasn't played in a while. 

RWS, quit trying to act like you know anything about football...you know what Dr. Lou and the other talking heads tell you, which is exactly jack shit!  And you seem to have a common goal of polluting every single thread in recruiting on this site with your stupid bammer bullshit that you attempt to disquise as qualified personnel analysis, when in reality you just want to stir the pot by claiming that none of Auburn's good commits/prospects are really as good as the experts say, while all of bammers are, and fit just perfectly in to everything bammer does.  When you gonna get a life, buy a map and find Tuscaloser so you can go watch a football game?  Seriously dude, you're pathetic. 
Title: Re: *Serious Diamond-in-the-rough*
Post by: RWS on December 08, 2009, 12:45:23 PM
Sometimes you are a little too quick to pile on the prowler.  He said this kid can easily put on 40 pounds, and he's right.  40 pounds would put him at the 260, which is also the same size as Hightower.  In my opinion, this kid has the perfect frame to play at Jack.  Which means he will have his hand in the dirt at DE half of the time.

You made a hasty statement that this kid couldn't play in the SEC.  Saban wouldn't have offered the kid this late in the year if he didn't want him.
Relative to playing on the DL full time, no, I don't think he could make it. I've already said previously that if he went to Alabama, it would have to be as a Jack LB. The only argument I have made here is that he does not fit on the Alabama DL, and that he would be a Jack LB if he went to Alabama.
Title: Re: *Serious Diamond-in-the-rough*
Post by: RWS on December 08, 2009, 12:58:16 PM
In a 4-3 scheme he's a DE...in a 3-4 he's an OLB.  Not sure which he'd better fit, but he's a pass rusher.  Though they require different personnel on the line, the 3-4 and 4-3 are a lot alike in many ways.  In either scheme there's usually 4 guys committed to pash rush or to occupy an OL as if they're a DL whether they're technically a DL or a LB. 

As for the kid that is the subject of this thread...who knows...something thinks he at least has some physical ability.  Will it translate?  Hard to say with the best of them, let alone a kid that hasn't played in a while. 

RWS, quit trying to act like you know anything about football...you know what Dr. Lou and the other talking heads tell you, which is exactly jack shit!  And you seem to have a common goal of polluting every single thread in recruiting on this site with your stupid bammer bullshit that you attempt to disquise as qualified personnel analysis, when in reality you just want to stir the pot by claiming that none of Auburn's good commits/prospects are really as good as the experts say, while all of bammers are, and fit just perfectly in to everything bammer does.  When you gonna get a life, buy a map and find Tuscaloser so you can go watch a football game?  Seriously dude, you're pathetic. 
I was pretty complementary of LaDarius Owens and Michael Dyer, even saying that you guys got the better out of the Seastrunk/Dyer pair. Started a thread telling you guys that Bonomolo was rated as the #17 overall JUCO prospect when the rankings came out. The only AU recruit I've trashed is Seastrunk, because I just think he is an attention whore. Oh, and when Aubrey Phillips transfered I think I said that wasn't going to work out. And two weeks later, low and behold....So, to say I'm polluting every single thread in the recruiting forum on this site with bullshit to trash AU recruits, would be inaccurate at best. 
Title: Re: *Serious Diamond-in-the-rough*
Post by: The Prowler on December 08, 2009, 06:52:34 PM
I was pretty complementary of LaDarius Owens and Michael Dyer, even saying that you guys got the better out of the Seastrunk/Dyer pair. Started a thread telling you guys that Bonomolo was rated as the #17 overall JUCO prospect when the rankings came out. The only AU recruit I've trashed is Seastrunk, because I just think he is an attention whore. Oh, and when Aubrey Phillips transfered I think I said that wasn't going to work out. And two weeks later, low and behold....So, to say I'm polluting every single thread in the recruiting forum on this site with bullshit to trash AU recruits, would be inaccurate at best. 
Yes you were complementary of LO and Dyer.  And unless things change, as in some of Auburn's coaches getting plucked, Auburn is going to pull Lache too, so...."wait 'till they get there"  Also, you felt that Aubrey wouldn't work out because of his questionable work ethic...not because he had a heart condition.  And yes you did "TRY" to pollute this thread by making fun of my statment about Adrian Hubbard being a "Serious Diamond in the Rough"...

See, AU wasting their time on a guy like this is why I think Chizik is not going to turn AU around. I mean, have you seen AU's run defense lately? Do you really think a 6'7" 227 pound DL is the answer? I know you don't want your DE's overly large and all, but damn. AU needs some straight up blue chip studs that can contribute immediately, not projects that may or may not qualify and will need a ton of "Yoxercising".

but then when I stated that your beloved midget had offered him....you quietly stepped back, then responded with....

Yes. He's an even worse fit for our defense as a DL than he is for AU's.

You were the one that started the "he's a worse fit for (SPuat's) Defense as a DL".  Again, like has been stated plenty of times before; First, you have NO CLUE about where he'll end up on the Defense.  Second, he's 18 and will very likely grow, even without trying to...it's what a lot of kids do from ages 17-20.  Third, if he only adds 30 to 40lbs of good weight he'll more than likely be y'alls Jack LBer (you do realize that means he'll play every game with his hands on the ground some of the time....right?)
Title: Re: *Serious Diamond-in-the-rough*
Post by: RWS on December 08, 2009, 07:27:13 PM
You were the one that started the "he's a worse fit for (SPuat's) Defense as a DL".  Again, like has been stated plenty of times before; First, you have NO CLUE about where he'll end up on the Defense.  Second, he's 18 and will very likely grow, even without trying to...it's what a lot of kids do from ages 17-20.  Third, if he only adds 30 to 40lbs of good weight he'll more than likely be y'alls Jack LBer (you do realize that means he'll play every game with his hands on the ground some of the time....right?)
He would be a worse fit for Bama's DL than AU's. Alabama's DL are usually near 300 lbs. Like I said earlier in the thread, if he did come to Alabama it would have to be as a Jack. I said that before the kid ever committed. And yes, I do realize that he will have his hand on the ground some, and that is totally situational. It could be 1 time a game, it could be 20. You never stated anything different other than we were talking about him at DL. The kid will not be a DL at Alabama. It will not happen. This, and the fact that he will likely be a Jack are the only two things I have argued in this thread, even before the kid committed.

Also, as some others have implied in this thread, he may be a project. Even your boyfriend Jumbo mentioned his terrible technique. In that sense, I think AU is making a mistake taking a chance. Alabama has plenty of margin for error if a LB doesn't work out. AU needs some immediate depth at DE with some studs, not a project that may or may not pan out. 
Title: Re: *Serious Diamond-in-the-rough*
Post by: The Prowler on December 08, 2009, 09:54:04 PM
He would be a worse fit for Bama's DL than AU's. Alabama's DL are usually near 300 lbs. Like I said earlier in the thread, if he did come to Alabama it would have to be as a Jack. I said that before the kid ever committed. And yes, I do realize that he will have his hand on the ground some, and that is totally situational. It could be 1 time a game, it could be 20. You never stated anything different other than we were talking about him at DL. The kid will not be a DL at Alabama. It will not happen. This, and the fact that he will likely be a Jack are the only two things I have argued in this thread, even before the kid committed.

Also, as some others have implied in this thread, he may be a project. Even your boyfriend Jumbo mentioned his terrible technique. In that sense, I think AU is making a mistake taking a chance. Alabama has plenty of margin for error if a LB doesn't work out. AU needs some immediate depth at DE with some studs, not a project that may or may not pan out. 
Like "I" stated before...YOU are the one that's saying DL this, DL that.  Everyone else is pointing out that you have no clue about what you're talking about....here's another thing, technique can be corrected very easily....shit your pants quickness and speed can not be.  Being a "project" player is more along the lines of moving a player from his home position, a position that he's played since Pee Wee, to another position...Karlos WR to LB, Dontarrius Thomas RB to LB, Andrew McCain DE/TE to OT, Ben Grubbs DE to OG, etc.
Title: Re: *Serious Diamond-in-the-rough*
Post by: Snaggletiger on December 08, 2009, 10:02:35 PM
I liked this kid.  The film on him made it move.  When you see any player who not only has the size and the skillz, but never gives up on a play, he's worth taking a chance on.  No doubt he'll pack on the pounds to wherever he's best suited.
Title: Re: *Serious Diamond-in-the-rough*
Post by: RWS on December 08, 2009, 10:14:52 PM
Like "I" stated before...YOU are the one that's saying DL this, DL that. 
BECAUSE HE IS A DEFENSIVE LINEMAN, for crying out loud. You even compared him to DE Corey Lemonier (another defensive lineman), and never once mentioned him at LB. I am the one who has repeatedly mentioned he would have to move to LB if he went to Alabama. My point is, and always has been, that he will not be a true defensive lineman at Alabama. If he comes to Alabama, he will have to move to Jack linebacker or some other linebacker position. This really isn't that hard.
Title: Re: *Serious Diamond-in-the-rough*
Post by: JR4AU on December 09, 2009, 02:15:29 PM
I was pretty complementary of LaDarius Owens and Michael Dyer, even saying that you guys got the better out of the Seastrunk/Dyer pair. Started a thread telling you guys that Bonomolo was rated as the #17 overall JUCO prospect when the rankings came out. The only AU recruit I've trashed is Seastrunk, because I just think he is an attention whore. Oh, and when Aubrey Phillips transfered I think I said that wasn't going to work out. And two weeks later, low and behold....So, to say I'm polluting every single thread in the recruiting forum on this site with bullshit to trash AU recruits, would be accurate at best. 

FTFY

And notice you didn't even try to defend your lack of football knowledge either.  Good on you for that.
Title: Re: *Serious Diamond-in-the-rough*
Post by: CCTAU on December 17, 2009, 08:39:39 AM
This guy could already take Kodi Burn's spot at receiver and be an immediate upgrade, even if he can't catch.

Wonder how good he would be at CB? 6'7" 230 4.5 CB. Scary. You would nevere get the ball over his head. Never happen, but fun to think about.
Title: Re: *Serious Diamond-in-the-rough*
Post by: AWK on December 17, 2009, 09:59:58 AM
This guy could already take Kodi Burn's spot at receiver and be an immediate upgrade, even if he can't catch.

Wonder how good he would be at CB? 6'7" 230 4.5 CB. Scary. You would nevere get the ball over his head. Never happen, but fun to think about.
You won't have to throw it over his head when the WR is 20 yards in front of him.
Title: Re: *Serious Diamond-in-the-rough*
Post by: The Prowler on December 17, 2009, 08:21:50 PM
This guy could already take Kodi Burn's spot at receiver and be an immediate upgrade, even if he can't catch.

Wonder how good he would be at CB? 6'7" 230 4.5 CB. Scary. You would nevere get the ball over his head. Never happen, but fun to think about.
You could get the ball over his head...if you have a WR like Army's, 6'10" 260lbs. 4.7 40.
Title: Re: *Serious Diamond-in-the-rough*
Post by: LivnonaPryr on December 19, 2009, 04:46:45 PM
Ever heard of Calais Campbell?  He was very slow to develop at UM, but is having a pro bowl type season this year.  See tall ass kids like that are very awkward, but once they grow into their length they turn into gigantic men who can move.  It just takes them longer to get coordinated.  I would take that frame w/ his athleticism any day.
Title: Re: *Serious Diamond-in-the-rough*
Post by: The Prowler on December 19, 2009, 04:58:38 PM
Ever heard of Calais Campbell?  He was very slow to develop at UM, but is having a pro bowl type season this year.  See tall ass kids like that are very awkward, but once they grow into their length they turn into gigantic men who can move.  It just takes them longer to get coordinated.  I would take that frame w/ his athleticism any day.
See, that just makes too much sense...rws thinks that once you hit 17/18 years old you just stop growing for the rest of your life.  And he thinks that kids are supposed to be a set size coming out of HS to play DL at SPuat, again, because surely they'll never be able to add any kind of weight.  Basically, rws doesn't know anything about recruiting or the growth of kids between 17-21.
Title: Re: *Serious Diamond-in-the-rough*
Post by: LivnonaPryr on December 19, 2009, 06:12:23 PM
Just b/c Mt. Cody came to UA w/ a f*cking defensive back in his pants doesnt make it a standard to weigh three bills coming out of HS. He had already gained his freshman 450 before signing up w/ the tide.  An 18 year old kid that weighs 300lbs is probably not going to live past 60.  It is much healthier to gain the weight over a decade of strength and conditioning rather than 2 summers working at Popeyes.

Regarding Gigantor, as he will be known should he sign w/ AU, I hope we have room.  I guess he is a backup plan for Lemonior/Thornton?
Title: Re: *Serious Diamond-in-the-rough*
Post by: The Prowler on December 19, 2009, 06:59:53 PM
Just b/c Mt. Cody came to UA w/ a f*cking defensive back in his pants doesnt make it a standard to weigh three bills coming out of HS. He had already gained his freshman 450 before signing up w/ the tide.  An 18 year old kid that weighs 300lbs is probably not going to live past 60.  It is much healthier to gain the weight over a decade of strength and conditioning rather than 2 summers working at Popeyes.

Regarding Gigantor, as he will be known should he sign w/ AU, I hope we have room.  I guess he is a backup plan for Lemonior/Thornton?
He's committed to SPuat...he was offered by Coach Sheban after he was talked about here and after rws said that he wouldn't fit on the DL at SPuat.
Title: Re: *Serious Diamond-in-the-rough*
Post by: LivnonaPryr on December 19, 2009, 07:10:51 PM
Oh hadnt noticed he committed to the tide.  I guess we really didnt have room?
Title: Re: *Serious Diamond-in-the-rough*
Post by: The Prowler on December 19, 2009, 07:23:37 PM
Oh hadnt noticed he committed to the tide.  I guess we really didnt have room?
Yeah, we didn't want him anyway.....he's too skinny to play Long Snapper.  Our LSers need to be ATLEAST 388lbs...at least.