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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: Snaggletiger on April 09, 2009, 10:25:22 AM
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In evaluating Gene Chizik after this upcoming season, regardless of what happens, I think we're going to have to take a lot of other factors into account besides wins and losses. CTT came in and lead a rag tag bunch to a 5-6 record and was just a few plays and a bone headed coaching decision from 8 wins and a bowl. In my mind, it was one of the top coaching jobs of his entire tenure at Auburn. That team was literally void of any real talent and experience. One thing about his final few years that concerned me though, was a perceived change in his recruiting tactics. I know it's been hashed out time and time again; however, what I saw was a coach and staff that had become complacent, comfortable if you will. There were few if any battles for the top rated talent. Sunshine pumpers defended Tuberville's knack for "Finding diamonds in the rough". The two star, 190 lb. linebacker who "Camped well" that will come in, redshirt and Yoxercise for a year had become the norm.
As last year grinded to a close, I argued several times that the problem could stem back to the failed Franklin experiment, but probably lay more at the feet of poor recruiting. Other than Mario Fannin stepping up in a couple of games late, name ONE true playmaker on that squad. Name one receiver that could beat anyone deep, much less catch the ball if he did. Name any back besides Mario that gave you anything to make you believe he could take it to the house...ever. Name one QB that could start for Troy. The same guys are back and realistically, our hope rests on a new staff, a new system and possibly a new attitude. Several signees coming in look to have potential to be studs but you don't really have much if you're counting on kids who haven't even enrolled, much less played a down of SEC ball.
In looking at the roster, the departure of Kyle Coulahan, who never played a down, leaves Auburn with about 7-8 scholarship offensive linemen. (That doesn't include incoming freshmen). In typical Tuberville fashion, several defensive guys are now listed as O-linemen, including AJ Green. Defensively, I'd go to war against anyone in the country with our starters. After that....it's a little scary! Our defensive ends are solid and 2 deep with Coleman, Carter, Goggans Gabe McKenzie (If he's on the team...and back playing defense) Once heralded Raven Gray is no longer listed on the roster. Our guys in the middle are big, physical and experienced with Jake Ricks, Mike Blanc and Zach Clayton. Name anyone besides a handful of redshirt freshmen behind them.
Linebackers...Josh Bynes, Craig Stevens and Eltoro Freeman look to be one hell of a unit but keep in mind, Freeman hasn't played a down of SEC ball either and behind them....Spencer Pybus, Adam Herring and Dashaun Barnes? Who else? Only one of them has even part time playing experience. Fortunately, our numbers are strong throughout the secondary. But, the point of all this is, we've got to hope this staff finds some playmakers or implements a system that truly catches the league off guard. We've got to have an injury free year for the most part because the numbers in the trenches and at linebacker just aren't there.
Any way you slice it, Tuberville's recruting has put this program in a very precarious situation. I know this is a glass half empty analysis but facts are facts. I'm as bad as anyone in breaking down an Auburn team going into any given year and drinking the kool-ade to the point that I'm wondering how an NFL team could beat them. But, while this team has talent, they don't have a lot of it and you have to have numbers to compete for titles in this league. I also tend to think the SEC will be stronger overall this year with LSU, UT and Georgia (All on our schedule) being improved..and let's not forget Ole Miss, who suddenly is a legit playa in the West. Of course, we can't leave out the mighty CrimpsumTahd, who will most certainly secure the 279th Nayshunal Champeenship for the Crapstone...but I digress.
What we saw out of Chizik's staff when they came in late, was what Tommy Tuberville and his guys should have been doing all along. Instead, they quit going in the living rooms of top rated, high profile kids and held camps to find a good many of the players on our roster. It told on him last season. I was just as WTF as anyone when Gene Chizik was hired. But, regardless of whether Chizik or Pete Carroll or Nick Saban or Bob Stoops was our coach, my expectations still would not be that high going in to 09'. Let this new staff continue their ways for a year or two more on the recruting trail, then I'm talking BCS. Right now, I want to get to a bowl.
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If you do that lawyering thang as well as writin' you may be able to make a livin' at it.
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You're only a word or six away from a front page opinion/ editorial effort my friend. Just sayin... :thumbsup:
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Front page?
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Front page?
Yeah there smilin' Bob. How about getting off your ass and lengthening it up for the neighborhood?
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You shouldn't find Ravan Gray on any roster you pull up, as he is not on the team anymore
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HB,
Good write up, but I'm going to disagree with you.
On the OL Mike Berry, Lee Ziemba, and Ryan Pugh, and Tommy Trott were all 4 star recruits. Byron Isom 3 star. Andrew McCain was a TE coming out of HS, but put on 50 pounds. He's very smart by all accounts.
Fannin, Tate, Burns, Caudle, T. Zachery, T. Hawthorne were all 4 star recruits. So was Gabe McKenzie but as a DE. According to the recruiting services, we had more talent on the offensive side of the ball than the defensive side last year, and will again this year. Plus we add to that talent with O. McCaleb who is already making noise in spring practice, as well as 4 star in coming freshman RB Dontae Aycock, and WRs D. Benton and E. Blake, and 4 star receiving TE P. Lutzenkirchen.
I think we all know why our WRs have been lacking...I expect them to be much improved with new coaching.
Last year was the product of the perfect storm. If it could go wrong it did. Tuberville tried to make Franklin run his offense as a run first offense, and that imploded on him. Tubs and Franklin were at odds over the QB, and Caudle wasn't even given a shot. Burns? Well he's a 4 star Athlete, and a 2 star QB...at this point. Chris Todd MIGHT could have been functional had Franklin been given the freedom to run the offense his way, but as it stood, he was so bad, he couldn't beat out Kodi, and vice versa. We had no trigger man. But, we're not devoid of talent at any spot on the offensive side of the ball. And if they get them to play to their potential, we may find we're very talented. However, it will all come down to QB play in the end...if they don't make or find a solid QB, then it will appear that we have no talent again.
And that's just the offense.
You're a lawyer?
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Birdy the talent is there. Last season was thedeath spiral of a coach who had finally just had enough of the backstabbing.
The problems with Auburn this year will NOT be on the field but rather walking on the sidelines.
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Birdy the talent is there. Last season was thedeath spiral of a coach who had finally just had enough of the backstabbing.
The problems with Auburn this year will NOT be on the field but rather walking on the sidelines.
Dude, I'm sorry, but I have had enough. You change tunes more than a fucking record. There is another thread in this forum where you dog every fucking coach, I.e. Pat Dye and Chizik, and talk about how you loveeeeeeeeeeeeeee Auburn so much and how these guys fucked over the University.
Then, here, on the same fucking day, in a different thread, you refer to the University and or board members as back stabbers who the Coach (Tuberville) had enough of... You are a hypocrite, plain and simple. You are David K. Ward. You can't see past your self inflated ego and sense of pride that you don't realize that you have an unholy hardon for Tuberville, regardless of anything else. You claim that your hatred for prior coaches is because of your love for the University, then you immediately come to another thread and call the University a bunch of backstabbers.
Which way is it? You change your story just to provide hate for a coach who has yet to been given a chance... and I bet, regardless of what happens of the field, you will hate Chizik forever. It is simple, either enjoy Auburn football for what it is, a sport, or go the fuck home.
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Birdy the talent is there. Last season was thedeath spiral of a coach who had finally just had enough of the backstabbing.
The problems with Auburn this year will NOT be on the field but rather walking on the sidelines.
Your posts are as useful as an asshole two inches south of my elbow.
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Dude, I'm sorry, but I have had enough. You change tunes more than a fucking record. There is another thread in this forum where you dog every fucking coach, I.e. Pat Dye and Chizik, and talk about how you loveeeeeeeeeeeeeee Auburn so much and how these guys fucked over the University.
Then, here, on the same fucking day, in a different thread, you refer to the University and or board members as back stabbers who the Coach (Tuberville) had enough of... You are a hypocrite, plain and simple. You are David K. Ward. You can't see past your self inflated ego and sense of pride that you don't realize that you have an unholy hardon for Tuberville, regardless of anything else. You claim that your hatred for prior coaches is because of your love for the University, then you immediately come to another thread and call the University a bunch of backstabbers.
Which way is it? You change your story just to provide hate for a coach who has yet to been given a chance... and I bet, regardless of what happens of the field, you will hate Chizik forever. It is simple, either enjoy Auburn football for what it is, a sport, or go the fuck home.
Hear Hear!!!
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The problems with Auburn this year will NOT be on the field but rather walking on the sidelines.
The 2nd String Players? The Trainers? The recruits that are visiting the game? Aubie?
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The 2nd String Players? The Trainers? The recruits that are visiting the game? Aubie?
I think he meant the Birmingham News.
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Greaseyweasel posts on this board, and another Auburn board. He has plainly stated that his mission in life is to irritate the fuck out of the Auburn family until they see things his way. AND, if you don't see things EXACTLY his way, then you're a sunshine pumping unicorn rider. There is no middle ground to him. You either hate Chizik with all your might, or you think he's the greatest thing since sliced bread, and you're just spineless because you don't do what he does. He's a fucking prick, and not a soul on either board wants him around. Yeah, a guy that states his mission is to fuck with Auburn people, and constantly runs down coaches like Dye and Tuberville, hates Chizik and WISHES him failure wonders why so many think he's a bammer. Jesus Fucking Christ! How big a fucking moron do you have to be GW? NOBODY WANTS YOU AROUND! NOBODY! YOU SHOULD BE A BAMMER IF YOU'RE NOT! AT LEAST THEY DESERVE A FUCKING PRICK LIKE YOU! NOBODY CAN TREAT THE AUBURN FAMILY THE WAY YOU DO AND LOVE AUBURN. IT'S NOT FUCKING POSSIBLE.
And what's worse is you labor under these delusions that what you do here can effect change at Auburn. You're a miserable fuckhead, and nobody would give any opinion of yours any weight at all. NONE! Please try and comprehend these things. Repeat after me: "I'm a stupid fuck, I don't matter, Auburn people hate me, and I can't change anything at Auburn" Stand in front of the mirror repeating that until you get it through that shit in your head that you call a brain!
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Dude, I'm sorry, but I have had enough. You change tunes more than a fucking record. There is another thread in this forum where you dog every fucking coach, I.e. Pat Dye and Chizik, and talk about how you loveeeeeeeeeeeeeee Auburn so much and how these guys fucked over the University.
Then, here, on the same fucking day, in a different thread, you refer to the University and or board members as back stabbers who the Coach (Tuberville) had enough of... You are a hypocrite, plain and simple. You are David K. Ward. You can't see past your self inflated ego and sense of pride that you don't realize that you have an unholy hardon for Tuberville, regardless of anything else. You claim that your hatred for prior coaches is because of your love for the University, then you immediately come to another thread and call the University a bunch of backstabbers.
Which way is it? You change your story just to provide hate for a coach who has yet to been given a chance... and I bet, regardless of what happens of the field, you will hate Chizik forever. It is simple, either enjoy Auburn football for what it is, a sport, or go the fuck home.
He has never had any consistency in terms of logic.
Here, he is saying that last season was a product of Tuberville being "backstabbed", so as to absolve all blame from Tuberville so that he can pretend Tuberville and his assistants were just about to go undefeated next year with the present talent, and anything Chizik does less than that is a disappointment.
Completely laughable.
Doesn't matter anyway, he's already explicitly stated that Chizik can go undefeated three years in a row and he will still say he was a detestable human being, and the worst possible coaching hire imaginable.
He takes the idea that Chizik fucked something up somehow, then works backwards from this conclusion to support this, damn any kind of consistency. For example, according to him, Chizik was the reason the basketball team underperformed at the beginning of the season, and he was also the reason they did so well at the end.
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JR, I agree with you on the talent being there for the most part with the exception of true playmakers at key positions. I think the main point I wanted to convey is the lack of numbers or depth at crucial positions. Take LB for instance. We've got 3 monsters that will start. But, out of the 3 backing them up, only one (Pybus) has part time playing experience. Same with the interior D-line. 3 studs will start but I'm not sure there's one back up on the roster who's played a down. Maybe, but nothing significant. As I said, I'd take our starters on D and line up against anyone. But after that, the numbers just aren't there.
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Birdy the talent is there. Last season was thedeath spiral of a coach who had finally just had enough of the backstabbing.
The problems with Auburn this year will NOT be on the field but rather walking on the sidelines.
The bama version of GreasyWeisel posts on a bama board I frequent. He is most of the reason I don't post there more often. I can't stand his ass.
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JR, I agree with you on the talent being there for the most part with the exception of true playmakers at key positions. I think the main point I wanted to convey is the lack of numbers or depth at crucial positions. Take LB for instance. We've got 3 monsters that will start. But, out of the 3 backing them up, only one (Pybus) has part time playing experience. Same with the interior D-line. 3 studs will start but I'm not sure there's one back up on the roster who's played a down. Maybe, but nothing significant. As I said, I'd take our starters on D and line up against anyone. But after that, the numbers just aren't there.
I agree there. I think our 1s on both sides of the ball can play with anyone...except QB...and hopefully that will change. There is a dropoff after the 1s, especially at the positions you cited. They, I think got some future playmakers in the 2009 class...they need to concentrate on the trenches on both sides of the ball in the 2010 class.
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The bama version of GreasyWeisel posts on a bama board I frequent. He is most of the reason I don't post there more often. I can't stand his ass.
Well what is stopping you from crossing this place off your list? As Fred Sanford said..."Don't let the doorknob hit ya where the Good Lord split ya".
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Well what is stopping you from crossing this place off your list? As Fred Sanford said..."Don't let the doorknob hit ya where the Good Lord split ya".
That particular guy spewed anti-bama posts everyday and that's not what I was going to that forum to read. This is an Auburn forum where I can expect the general conversation to be pro Auburn.
I can't believe I had to explain that.
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I can't believe I had to explain that.
REALLY?? B'ham, you can't believe that you had to explain that to ED? Surely you were joking, right? lol
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REALLY?? B'ham, you can't believe that you had to explain that to ED? Surely you were joking, right? lol
I hear the sarcasm but I don't know who the guy is. I usually skip his posts because they sound like something I would write.
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I hear the sarcasm but I don't know who the guy is. I usually skip his posts because they sound like something I would write.
LOL, yeah they do have that AUNation sister website flavor to them.
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I hear the sarcasm but I don't know who the guy is. I usually skip his posts because they sound like something I would write.
You better watch it. You mess with that bull he'll go all Corky retard strong on you.
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Well what is stopping you from crossing this place off your list? As Fred Sanford said..."Don't let the doorknob hit ya where the Good Lord split ya".
I don't know about anybody else but I vote to keep Bham and let you be the one with the doorknob up your ass.
seriously
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I don't know about anybody else but I vote to keep Bham and let you be the one with the doorknob up your ass.
seriously
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Seconded.
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Seconded.
Thirded.
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I'm rollin' with a quadruple on this one.
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I'm rollin' with a quadruple on this one.
Don't look now, but greasey's twin, bammerperry, is on the board. So, hide your pets and your sheep....NOW!!!!
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I don't know if it's cool to raise your hand on your own vote but I want to stay.
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I don't know if it's cool to raise your hand on your own vote but I want to stay.
it's as cool as putting on a concert tee shirt at the show where you bought it
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I don't know if it's cool to raise your hand on your own vote but I want to stay.
Better you stay than that moron GW.
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You guys must really hate this guy. I think I'll do a little history searching and see where all this hostility's coming from.
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That particular guy spewed anti-bama posts everyday and that's not what I was going to that forum to read. This is an Auburn forum where I can expect the general conversation to be pro Auburn.
I can't believe I had to explain that.
I AM THE MOST PRO AUBURN POSTER ON THIS FREAKIN' BOARD.
I refuse to accept a hire that is nothing more than waving the white flag of surrender. This hire has set Auburn back 4-8 years and I am the pnly pro Auburn poster that has the intelligence, guts and love for the university to admitit.
The rest are mere sheep.
The sheep hate me because I make them look baaaaaa-d.
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The new Auburn is not about striving for excellence but rather it is about accepting what is handed to you. If you refuse toaccept it then you are treated like shit for having a set of balls. According to the "new" Auburn lovers (prowler chopper etc) having a set of balls would get in the way when they set down to pee, so they have had them removed.
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The new Auburn is not about striving for excellence but rather it is about accepting what is handed to you. If you refuse toaccept it then you are treated like shit for having a set of balls. According to the "new" Auburn lovers (prowler chopper etc) having a set of balls would get in the way when they set down to pee, so they have had them removed.
You barfed again... need a towel?
Serious example of a tool... I think everyone has their own opinion when it comes to you Greasy despite anything you may say at this point.
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I AM THE MOST PRO AUBURN POSTER ON THIS FREAKIN' BOARD.
I refuse to accept a hire that is nothing more than waving the white flag of surrender. This hire has set Auburn back 4-8 years and I am the pnly pro Auburn poster that has the intelligence, guts and love for the university to admitit.
The rest are mere sheep.
The sheep hate me because I make them look baaaaaa-d.
Oh, we're the ignorant ones...got it...
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Yup
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*queef*
Tissue?
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Tissue?
Chop, make sure his Bicycle Helmet is still on.
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I AM THE MOST PRO AUBURN POSTER ON THIS FREAKIN' BOARD.
I refuse to accept a hire that is nothing more than waving the white flag of surrender. This hire has set Auburn back 4-8 years and I am the pnly pro Auburn poster that has the intelligence, guts and love for the university to admitit.
The rest are mere sheep.
The sheep hate me because I make them look baaaaaa-d.
When you openly admit you're the "only one", it's you that has the problem. Calling everybody else sheep might make you feel better, but at the end of the day, you're just a fucking moron that everybody hates. You can't at once state that your mission in life is to irritate the whole Auburn Family, and then at the same time claim to be "THE MOST PRO AUBURN POSTER". You're the most anti-Auburn poster I've ever seen other than bammers. Take a hike dickhead.
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I AM THE MOST PRO AUBURN POSTER ON THIS FREAKIN' BOARD.
I refuse to accept a hire that is nothing more than waving the white flag of surrender. This hire has set Auburn back 4-8 years and I am the pnly pro Auburn poster that has the intelligence, guts and love for the university to admitit.
The rest are mere sheep.
The sheep hate me because I make them look baaaaaa-d.
You are undoubtedly the biggest delusional moron I have ever had the displeasure to be around. please cease all forms of communication at once, take a vow of silence, cut off your typing fingers, whatever it takes. Just stop. Either that or you are the king of the trolls, either way you suck big fat donkey dicks
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You are undoubtedly the biggest delusional moron I have ever had the displeasure to be around. please cease all forms of communication at once, take a vow of silence, cut off your typing fingers, whatever it takes. Just stop. Either that or you are the king of the trolls, either way you suck big fat donkey dicks
He's the kind that will run his bullshit here, then slink away in to the mist, never to be heard from again if Chizik is successful.
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He's the kind that will run his bullshit here, then slink away in to the mist, never to be heard from again if Chizik is successful.
I don't know about slinking away. greaseybammer has explained that even if Coach Chizik is successful, he'll still think of him as a loser coach...even if he wins the MNC and that he'll never add anything, inciteful, to any topic that's discussed, except for his thoughts about Coach Chizik.
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Did Tubs ever have the #1 Rb and #2 Wr visit in the same weekend?
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Did Tubs ever have the #1 Rb and #2 Wr visit in the same weekend?
Tubs "knew what kind of kids we could get at Auburn."
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Did Tubs ever have the #1 Rb and #2 Wr visit in the same weekend?
Not sure that's really relevant to anything. A visit isn't a commitment, but it's a good start for the new staff.
People seem to forget Tubs and Co recruited the likes of Carnell, Ronnie, Jason, Aromashodo, Obamano, Ben Grubbs, Marcus McNeil, Rudi Johnson, Heath Evans, Carlos Rogers, Will Herring, The Irons brothers, Jay Ratliff, Mike Pucillo, Carlos Dansby, Dontarius Thomas, Marcus Washington...etc...I'm sure I left off some NFL talent, but you get the picture.
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Tubs "knew what kind of kids we could get at Auburn."
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Did Tubs ever have the #1 Rb and #2 Wr visit in the same weekend?
Ridiculous.
Did Chizik ever sign a top ten class? Ever recruit four first rounders in two classes?
Pathetic that some of you are reduced to jerking your puny manmeat raw over a fucking unofficial VISIT and then can't resist taking drizzle shots at Tuberville as you do.
I guess Auburn fandom is being redefined to more closely resemble the shallow ignorance of the Bama faithful.
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Did Tuberville do any of that you mentioned in his first two years as a head coach, let alone his first two at Auburn? Educate us ol' master Poon Clown.
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Did Tuberville do any of that you mentioned in his first two years as a head coach, let alone his first two at Auburn? Educate us ol' master Poon Clown.
Or his first four months on the job?
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I don't care who you are this is fuckin funny
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Nice Birmingham
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Ridiculous.
Did Chizik ever sign a top ten class? Ever recruit four first rounders in two classes?
Pathetic that some of you are reduced to jerking your puny manmeat raw over a fucking unofficial VISIT and then can't resist taking drizzle shots at Tuberville as you do.
I guess Auburn fandom is being redefined to more closely resemble the shallow ignorance of the Bama faithful.
Can't wrap my mind around those that think when Chizik and Co. do something positive, the persons recognizing it must also take a shot at Tuberville in the same breath. It was a visit y'all! A muhfuckin' visit!
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:bowl:
That is all
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Tyrik Rollison and DeAngelo Benton took visits too.
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Tyrik Rollison and DeAngelo Benton took visits too.
:bowl: visits the ladies room to squat and pee.
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Tyrik is from Texas and Texas recruiting is bullshit. Wait, where is the #1 RB from again?
:bowl: I need to be paid royalties, or royally for the photo seen round the X. Hahaha.
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Can't wrap my mind around those that think when Chizik and Co. do something positive, the persons recognizing it must also take a shot at Tuberville in the same breath. It was a visit y'all! A muhfuckin' visit!
It's not necessarily a shot at Tubs, but these people keep bringing him up for comparison. However, they're drawing unfair comparisons such as over the span of a 10 year career vs. 4 months and zero games on the field.
SO FAR, which is all the man can be judged by, he has done a better job in his first four months. Shit may very well change once the season is under way, but SO FAR, I'm not going to shit all over Chizik for no valid reason.
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It's not necessarily a shot at Tubs, but these people keep bringing him up for comparison. However, they're drawing unfair comparisons such as over the span of a 10 year career vs. 4 months and zero games on the field.
SO FAR, which is all the man can be judged by, he has done a better job in his first four months. Shit may very well change once the season is under way, but SO FAR, I'm not going to shit all over Chizik for no valid reason.
I'm not going to shit on Chizik either. It's not his fault Jacobs is a moron and offered him the job. I'm also willing to consider that ISU is ISU, and a 2 year record there means little in predicting his future at Auburn. But, I do think it's a shot to compare a coach that hasn't coached a game at Auburn getting a visit from a couple of recruits, to Tuberville's body of work at Auburn. Also don't see how you can say he's done a better job in his first 4 months...what do you use to make that comparison?
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I'm not going to shit on Chizik either. It's not his fault Jacobs is a moron and offered him the job. I'm also willing to consider that ISU is ISU, and a 2 year record there means little in predicting his future at Auburn. But, I do think it's a shot to compare a coach that hasn't coached a game at Auburn getting a visit from a couple of recruits, to Tuberville's body of work at Auburn. Also don't see how you can say he's done a better job in his first 4 months...what do you use to make that comparison?
A large chunk of the comparison is the staff he's assembled. The other chunk is the level of recruits that are at least taking visits, if not describing their visits as "the best experience I ever had" as the #1 RB in the nation was recently quoted as saying. There's just a sense of enthusiasm that wasn't there in Tuberville's staff at the beginning, nor the end of his tenure. It was there for a window of three or four years that included 04, but not really before or since. And he certainly wasn't lighting the world on fire before a down was ever played under his watch. You can't even use last year's recruiting class as a measuring stick. Those kids had their minds made up by late December. Even the "recruiting God" Saban Almighty had a relatively shitty first class.
Don't misinterpret my statements as shitting on Tubs, either. It's just that people are trying to compare Chizik to Tubs as if Tubs was infallible, and he wasn't.
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A large chunk of the comparison is the staff he's assembled. The other chunk is the level of recruits that are at least taking visits, if not describing their visits as "the best experience I ever had" as the #1 RB in the nation was recently quoted as saying. There's just a sense of enthusiasm that wasn't there in Tuberville's staff at the beginning, nor the end of his tenure. It was there for a window of three or four years that included 04, but not really before or since. And he certainly wasn't lighting the world on fire before a down was ever played under his watch. You can't even use last year's recruiting class as a measuring stick. Those kids had their minds made up by late December. Even the "recruiting God" Saban Almighty had a relatively shitty first class.
Don't misinterpret my statements as shitting on Tubs, either. It's just that people are trying to compare Chizik to Tubs as if Tubs was infallible, and he wasn't.
What you're saying about the job Tubs did early on is contradicted by the 2004 team laden with Sr's that were NFL level players. The situation he came in to post Bowden is vastly different than what he left Chizik. There was hardly a D-1 level player on that 1999 team, let alone a good SEC player. Tubs last classes (that are still on the field) were ranked 13th, 10th, 6th, and 20th.
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Don't misinterpret my statements as shitting on Tubs, either. It's just that people are trying to compare Chizik to Tubs as if Tubs was infallible, and he wasn't.
Holy. Shit. You guys never would have entertained that notion 2-3 years ago. All we could hear in 2007 was how CTT was unstoppable, and nobody could compare to his greatness. Funny how things change so quickly....
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What you're saying about the job Tubs did early on is contradicted by the 2004 team laden with Sr's that were NFL level players. The situation he came in to post Bowden is vastly different than what he left Chizik. There was hardly a D-1 level player on that 1999 team, let alone a good SEC player. Tubs last classes (that are still on the field) were ranked 13th, 10th, 6th, and 20th.
Plus, recruiting is a very....very different animal than 10+ years ago. Shit, it seems like it is worlds apart from 5 years ago for that matter.
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Holy. Shit. You guys never would have entertained that notion 2-3 years ago. All we could hear in 2007 was how CTT was unstoppable, and nobody could compare to his greatness. Funny how things change so quickly....
There you go with that brush again.....
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Plus, recruiting is a very....very different animal than 10+ years ago. Shit, it seems like it is worlds apart from 5 years ago for that matter.
No shit. All the loop holes you have to find, the rules you have to bend, and coming up with new ways to launder money makes things tough nowadays...
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There you go with that brush again.....
Sad thing is, it would have accurately painted ALOT of folks. In all fairness, alot of our fans made AU fans feel as if they had to defend CTT after the hiring of CNS. In reality, you guys had nothing to be ashamed of in CTT. Hiring CNS simply put us on level ground or slightly ahead. The "slightly ahead" could be contributed to CTT being worn out, who knows. He wasn't a bad coach at all.
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Holy. Shit. You guys never would have entertained that notion 2-3 years ago. All we could hear in 2007 was how CTT was unstoppable, and nobody could compare to his greatness. Funny how things change so quickly....
Hyperbole aside, 2008 was the first year in a long time that Tubs didn't appear to be getting it done.
And the main point of my post was obviously missed. If you're going to compare him to Tubs, use the same timeframe. I'd say so far Chizik has exceeded the expectations set for him far more than Tubs had by month four.
And I disagree with this:
The situation he came in to post Bowden is vastly different than what he left Chizik
No depth, no apparent QB, no standout playmakers. How are you going to act as if Tubs set Chizik up for success and he's not living up to potential?
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Yall better hope Chizik is successful. If he's not, yall have a history of raiding Ole Miss for an Arkansas born coach.
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A large chunk of the comparison is the staff he's assembled. The other chunk is the level of recruits that are at least taking visits, if not describing their visits as "the best experience I ever had" as the #1 RB in the nation was recently quoted as saying. There's just a sense of enthusiasm that wasn't there in Tuberville's staff at the beginning, nor the end of his tenure. It was there for a window of three or four years that included 04, but not really before or since. And he certainly wasn't lighting the world on fire before a down was ever played under his watch. You can't even use last year's recruiting class as a measuring stick. Those kids had their minds made up by late December. Even the "recruiting God" Saban Almighty had a relatively shitty first class.
Don't misinterpret my statements as shitting on Tubs, either. It's just that people are trying to compare Chizik to Tubs as if Tubs was infallible, and he wasn't.
Why are you making apologies for chizik already? Tubs was not infallible but he is worlds away a better head coach than chizik will ever be. 2 years as a head coach anywhere shows that the program was going downhill in a hurry under his tenure.
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Ridiculous.
Did Chizik ever sign a top ten class? Ever recruit four first rounders in two classes?
Pathetic that some of you are reduced to jerking your puny manmeat raw over a fucking unofficial VISIT and then can't resist taking drizzle shots at Tuberville as you do.
I guess Auburn fandom is being redefined to more closely resemble the shallow ignorance of the Bama faithful.
Your just mad because were wasting our time in Texas :fu:
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Holy. Shit. You guys never would have entertained that notion 2-3 years ago. All we could hear in 2007 was how CTT was unstoppable, and nobody could compare to his greatness. Funny how things change so quickly....
you must know of AU fans that I don't then, lots of AU fans I am familiar with didn't even like him that much after 2004, now I can believe some of you bammers believed he couldn't be stopped after you dropped 6 in a row to his teams. We don't need you "people" to tear us down we do it ourselves.
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lots of AU fans I am familiar with didn't even like him that much after 2004,
I will attest to this. The Warden couldn't stand him and neither could the GF's father.
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Yall better hope Chizik is successful. If he's not, yall have a history of raiding Ole Miss for an Arkansas born coach.
If this comes to pass, there will be blood.
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And I disagree with this:No depth, no apparent QB, no standout playmakers. How are you going to act as if Tubs set Chizik up for success and he's not living up to potential?
The only valid comparison is no apparent QB. Tubs didn't leave the cupboard bare, and if you pay attention that's apparent. Chizik can't be living or not living up to potential until he coaches the first game. Until then, it's all just speculation.
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The only valid comparison is no apparent QB. Tubs didn't leave the cupboard bare, and if you pay attention that's apparent. Chizik can't be living or not living up to potential until he coaches the first game. Until then, it's all just speculation.
So how many games does he have to piss away before you staert making excuses for him?
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So how many games does he have to piss away before you staert making excuses for him?
If you'd quit running around with your fingers in your ears yelling "Chiz Sucks" you'd clearly see that I'm saying he has the talent to win in 2009, and should. But, as would be expected, you're just a fucking moron...still!
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I agree he has the talent. But in the SEC you have to have the coaching and we do not have it. I have never bad mouthed an Auburn player on this board except for Eric Ramsey (I hold all involved accountable for that shit storm)
I only want what is best for Auburn.
I refuse to accept scraps and throw away coaches and I damn sure refuse to budge and act as though they are welcome.
You want to see a true Auburn man?? Then you want to see me.
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I agree he has the talent. But in the SEC you have to have the coaching and we do not have it. I have never bad mouthed an Auburn player on this board except for Eric Ramsey (I hold all involved accountable for that shit storm)
I only want what is best for Auburn.
I refuse to accept scraps and throw away coaches and I damn sure refuse to budge and act as though they are welcome.
You want to see a true Auburn man?? Then you want to see me.
Nope, Auburn men and women don't treat the rest of the Auburn family like you do. You're a tool of the highest order. Oh, I live near Tuscaloosa, can we meet and let get my picture made with you, the biggest fucking asshole on the face of the planet? I can blow it up and caption it "Greaseyweasel, lives among the bammers, and manages to make them appealing"
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I don't think yall will be "there" this year. Maybe, but I don't think so.
I also think yall will be fun to watch and will win a couple of games that most folks assume are automatic losses. Parity is back in the SEC, damn what little Nicky and Urban think.
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throw away coaches
Name the "throw away" coaches, greaseybammer #1....
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chizik and company dumbass.
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chizik and company dumbass.
The entire staff huh? Can you name some from Tubbs staff that you didn't like?
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Yep I can.
BUT
What damage can they do now? Is it not a complete waste of time to debate the merits of the previous staff? Should we not be dissecting the present and preparing for the inevitable implosion brought about by stupidity of hire and stupidity of coaching selection?
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Yep I can.
BUT
What damage can they do now? Is it not a complete waste of time to debate the merits of the previous staff? Should we not be dissecting the present and preparing for the inevitable implosion brought about by stupidity of hire and stupidity of coaching selection?
Let me try this again, maybe you'll finally be able to understand it if you read it twice, or have someone else read it to you since it doesn't have any pictures to go along....greaseybammer #1 name an Auburn Coach that was a "throw away".
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chizik and company greasybammer is a dumbass.
:pwnd:
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Let me try this again, maybe you'll finally be able to understand it if you read it twice, or have someone else read it to you since it doesn't have any pictures to go along....greaseybammer #1 name an Auburn Coach that was a "throw away".
Hmmmmmm the most to the front coach who was hired mainly to be fired and buy chizik another year to fuck up Auburn some more before the rest of the staff and the dumbasses involved are sent packing .... is defensive coordinator Roof.
Oh wait he was amazing at his previous posting and therefore is the defensive coordinator of a lifetime. The poor sap leaves a never will get fired job at Duke in order to be one and done at Auburn. Thats what happens when you work for a man who has never been a failure.
Someone will have to take the blame.
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Hmmmmmm the most to the front coach who was hired mainly to be fired and buy chizik another year to fuck up Auburn some more before the rest of the staff and the dumbasses involved are sent packing .... is defensive coordinator Roof.
Oh wait he was amazing at his previous posting and therefore is the defensive coordinator of a lifetime. The poor sap leaves a never will get fired job at Duke in order to be one and done at Auburn. Thats what happens when you work for a man who has never been a failure.
Someone will have to take the blame.
So which is it? Roof is a loser, or Roof is fantastic? If in fact he is fired after year one, will you say "Thank goodness we got rid of the weak link in our staff", or will you say "Roof was a fantastic coordinator! The problem was fuckhead Chizdick!"
I think I know the answer to that...
Practically everything you say is designed so that you can leave an out to bitch no matter the outcome.
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So which is it? Roof is a loser, or Roof is fantastic? If in fact he is fired after year one, will you say "Thank goodness we got rid of the weak link in our staff", or will you say "Roof was a fantastic coordinator! The problem was fuckhead Chizdick!"
He would quantify it, but he make a pinky swear blood oath with his BFF and he can't violate that trust.
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Yep I can.
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What damage can they do now? Is it not a complete waste of time to debate the merits of the previous staff? Should we not be dissecting the present and preparing for the inevitable implosion brought about by stupidity of hire and stupidity of coaching selection?
So once again, the question I asked and you avoided......You think this entire staff is nothing but throw aways? I really would like to see you break down each coach, give his strengths and his weaknesses, his body of work at other institutions, where the previous teams they coached at made gains or loss of production....etc...etc...etc....
Until you can do that and not spout off your bullshit, then I take nothing you say seriously and you have nothing other than bitching and moaning b/c of a personal vendetta.
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So once again, the question I asked and you avoided......You think this entire staff is nothing but throw aways? I really would like to see you break down each coach, give his strengths and his weaknesses, his body of work at other institutions, where the previous teams they coached at made gains or loss of production....etc...etc...etc....
Until you can do that and not spout off your bullshit, then I take nothing you say seriously and you have nothing other than bitching and moaning b/c of a personal vendetta.
^^^I was going to post this^^^ Maybe not as many words. So, I'll post this, greaseybammer #1...Coach Roof wasn't/isn't a "throw away" Coach. Coach Ted Roof is one of the Top 20 Defensive Coaches the country, Coach Chizik is one of the Top 3. But, you're too damn stupid to understand that. Go back to coloring.
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This is the stupidest statement ever made on this board.
Are you fucking insane? At this moment Chizik is not even the third best coach in the SEC West.
If this was intended as a serious statement I feel sorry for you.
I think the quote was supposed to be that Chizik was a Top 3 Defensive coach...
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He would quantify it, but he make a pinky swear blood oath with his BFF and he can't violate that trust.
nope sanitary napkin it was to my Grandfather. A man who truly loved Auburn and felt that a mans word was his bond. A much better man than any of you shit for brains on here. Also I respect him and his legacy so therefore if I refuse to name names to make you happy because I promised him.. well a man is going to do what a man is going to do. If he has a backbone that is. So drop the whole speil and find something that you can actually prove or show.
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So drop the whole speil and find something that you can actually prove or show.
This means a lot coming from you. :eyeroll:
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Coach Chizik is one of the Top 3. But, you're too damn stupid to understand that.
Are you fucking insane? Chizik isn't top 3 in the SEC West.
There is a difference between supporting the team and being a dumbass, lunatic, delusional feeb. With this comment you went so far off the rails even the delusional feebs disavow you.
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I think the quote was supposed to be that Chizik was a Top 3 Defensive coach...
Considering the use of the comma in the sentence itself, that is the way I took it. Maybe he didn't mean it that way. I don't know?
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Are you fucking insane? Chizik isn't top 3 in the SEC West.
There is a difference between supporting the team and being a dumbass, lunatic, delusional feeb. With this comment you went so far off the rails even the delusional feebs disavow you.
You and your little Fuck Buddy greaseybammer are too damn stupid to realize that Coach Chizik was one of, if not The, Top Defensive Coach in the Country in '04 and '05. So, when I said that Coach Roof is one of the Top 20 Defensive Coaches in the Country, Coach Chizik one of the Top 3....y'all just can't understand that. Kaos, you and greaseybammer really should just step back and take a look at the Coaching staff that Coach Chizik assembled, if you take off those "everything is shit" glasses you'll see that the Staff is one of the best, put together staffs, in the Southeast, if not the Country. I'm not just talking about Coaching abilities either, I'm talking Recruiting too.
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Well my "everything is shit glasses" must be Xray since I can see you have shit for brains.
Heres the news for you nancy boy, Dorthy aint in Kansas and chizik is not a defensive coordinator anymore. He is a head coach and not an advisor. And he is a failure. A complete and unabashed failure and after the UCLA decision I believe he has been shown to be a member of a clan of cowards as well.
I hope your fuckin' happy with him.
Auburn people are livid.
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You and your little Fuck Buddy greaseybammer are too damn stupid to realize that Coach Chizik was one of, if not The, Top Defensive Coach in the Country in '04 and '05. So, when I said that Coach Roof is one of the Top 20 Defensive Coaches in the Country, Coach Chizik one of the Top 3....y'all just can't understand that. Kaos, you and greaseybammer really should just step back and take a look at the Coaching staff that Coach Chizik assembled, if you take off those "everything is shit" glasses you'll see that the Staff is one of the best, put together staffs, in the Southeast, if not the Country. I'm not just talking about Coaching abilities either, I'm talking Recruiting too.
:fu:
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Well my "everything is shit glasses" must be Xray since I can see you have shit for brains.
Heres the news for you nancy boy, Dorthy aint in Kansas and chizik is not a defensive coordinator anymore. He is a head coach and not an advisor. And he is a failure. A complete and unabashed failure and after the UCLA decision I believe he has been shown to be a member of a clan of cowards as well.
I hope your fuckin' happy with him.
Auburn people are livid.
Here's news for you fuckstick...Coach Chizik didn't make the decision to not play UCLA. And yes, he is the Head Coach AND he's an advisor, if you don't think that he's helping Coach Roof and the other Defensive Coaches, not that they need a lot of help, then you're the one that has the shit for brains around here. Also, Auburn People are not LIVID about Coach Chizik, dumbass.