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Pat Dye Field => Signing Day => Topic started by: AuburnChopper 3.0 on January 16, 2009, 01:20:00 PM
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I thought Saban was the main recruiter. He wrote and talked with all of these recruits, yet Richardson, West and a few others are talking about how shocked and dissapointed they are in Lance leaving. They're also making it clear that they "don't really know any of the other coaches" including Saban.
What say you?
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No worries. Nick will telepathically threaten each recruit who may be waivering a bit. "What I meant to say was...who is this Lance Thompson of which you speak? I am completely dedicated to The Process."
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No worries. Nick will telepathically threaten each recruit who may be waivering a bit. "What I meant to say was...who is this Lance Thompson of which you speak? I am completely dedicated to The Process."
These are not the droids you are looking for... :flag:
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where has runswithallofbamasrecruits gone?
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where has runswithallofbamasrecruits gone?
With Thompson and Steele leaving he's been forced to pull double shifts on the recruit blow job line.
You think it's bad here, you should see all the people who've fallen, can't get up and aren't getting put on hold or ignored by smart ass 911 operators.
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The real question is: How much does a top notch 5* stud cost these days? What do you think the current market is?
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The real question is: How much does a top notch 5* stud cost these days? What do you think the current market is?
$15,000-$30,000 up front, in cash.
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$15,000-$30,000 up front, in cash.
Wasn't that three star fat kid paid $250,000?
Honestly, I think it's a whole lot more than just cash. How about - "Sign with Alabama, and your mother gets a job that pays well."
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Wasn't that three star fat kid paid $250,000?
Honestly, I think it's a whole lot more than just cash. How about - "Sign with Alabama, and your mother gets a job that pays well."
I know for a fact this used to happen at UA. For an absolute fact.
Does it now? Can't say.
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I know for a fact this used to happen at UA. For an absolute fact.
Does it now? Can't say.
Big rumor last year was that Jerrell Harris was more interested in Auburn, but Mama was told that she had a job waiting for her at some big shot lawyer's office in Gadsen.
I think there are a lot of innovative ways to cheat nowadays. The days of handing kids a blank check are over. You'd have to be stupid to get caught cheating like that; although, I wouldn't put it past some old times in the REC. So far, it seems like the new fad is giving Mama and Daddy a new job through legal means (who says Jerrell's mom didn't dazzle the lawyers in an interview?) and threatening a kid for taking a visit. It's very strange that multiple recruits cancelled their visits to Auburn as soon as it was publicly reported that they were coming. Rueban Randle and Deangelo Benton - both big time LSU prospects - are two that come to mind.
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Every watch Sopranos? Know what a no-show job is?
They have a lot of those floating around.
Big rumor last year was that Jerrell Harris was more interested in Auburn, but Mama was told that she had a job waiting for her at some big shot lawyer's office in Gadsen.
I think there are a lot of innovative ways to cheat nowadays. The days of handing kids a blank check are over. You'd have to be stupid to get caught cheating like that; although, I wouldn't put it past some old times in the REC. So far, it seems like the new fad is giving Mama and Daddy a new job through legal means (who says Jerrell's mom didn't dazzle the lawyers in an interview?) and threatening a kid for taking a visit. It's very strange that multiple recruits cancelled their visits to Auburn as soon as it was publicly reported that they were coming. Rueban Randle and Deangelo Benton - both big time LSU prospects - are two that come to mind.
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Every watch Sopranos? Know what a no-show job is?
They have a lot of those floating around.
Me thinks Kaos is drunk
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Me thinks Kaos is drunk
Methinks you are too.
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Methinks you are too.
Methinks you would be correct
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I thought Saban was the main recruiter. He wrote and talked with all of these recruits, yet Richardson, West and a few others are talking about how shocked and dissapointed they are in Lance leaving. They're also making it clear that they "don't really know any of the other coaches" including Saban.
What say you?
i don't know where anybody has ever really claimed that CNS was the "main recruiter". if i had to say somebody was our "main recruiter" it would have been Lance Thompson. i even said on AUN the other week that in the future i think it would hurt if we lost Thompson. i wouldn't predict a mass defection, but in the future it would hurt. he was a HUGE boost in the Mobile area and that will be missed, especially if he covers the same area for UT. i would love for you to show me where they are saying they don't know CNS or haven't met him, etc. i mean, do you really believe all of the bullshit you spew? you really mean to tell me CNS has never met or spoken with Trent Richardson? thats total bullshit if you ask me. i could see maybe joe blow recruit who really isn't a priority or anything maybe not getting any face time with CNS, but not the high profile guys. please show me where recruits are saying they have no idea who CNS is....
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i don't know where anybody has ever really claimed that CNS was the "main recruiter".
Scissors, I know you're taking up the Bama cause, but let me be clear. You do NOT represent all of them. As far as this point, I'll only point out that if you don't think that Bama fans and media don't, at minimum, infer that Saban is the reason and head of all recruiting effort, then you're not really paying attention. I think that's fair. You're certainly welcome to your opinion.
i mean, do you really believe all of the bullshit you spew? you really mean to tell me CNS has never met or spoken with Trent Richardson? thats total bullshit if you ask me.
Instant angst doesn't work for you. However, here we agree. It IS bullshit, because I never said that either. Trent Richardson and West were upset because their primary contact was Thompson. They of course know Saban, and have access, but it was Thompson they KNEW.
West was actually the one who said, quote "I was shocked. The only thoughts I really had about it was wondering why he left. He was the main coach I talked to. I don't really know the other coaches all that well, but I guess we'll see how it goes."
So, it's not "bullshit" I made up. It was also just a question. The articles I've seen make it clear that while it may have been emotionally driven, some of Bama's recruits KNEW, or had a relationship of some sort with Thompson. One they didn't have with Saban. However, it's my contention that Saban is given almost ALL the credit in the media and by the majority of the Bama fan base. So maybe you just need to chill out.
Nobody said that Bama recruits didn't know Saban in a literal sense. You know better. If Saban had a relationship that extended deeper than familiarity, these recruits wouldn't be emotionally venting to the media about Thompson's departure. Just my opinion...
I don't actually expect you to agree.
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Scissors, I know you're taking up the Bama cause, but let me be clear. You do NOT represent all of them. As far as this point, I'll only point out that if you don't think that Bama fans and media don't, at minimum, infer that Saban is the reason and head of all recruiting effort, then you're not really paying attention. I think that's fair. You're certainly welcome to your opinion.
Instant angst doesn't work for you. However, here we agree. It IS bullshit, because I never said that either. Trent Richardson and West were upset because their primary contact was Thompson. They of course know Saban, and have access, but it was Thompson they KNEW.
West was actually the one who said, quote "I was shocked. The only thoughts I really had about it was wondering why he left. He was the main coach I talked to. I don't really know the other coaches all that well, but I guess we'll see how it goes."
So, it's not "bullshit" I made up. It was also just a question. The articles I've seen make it clear that while it may have been emotionally driven, some of Bama's recruits KNEW, or had a relationship of some sort with Thompson. One they didn't have with Saban. However, it's my contention that Saban is given almost ALL the credit in the media and by the majority of the Bama fan base. So maybe you just need to chill out.
Nobody said that Bama recruits didn't know Saban in a literal sense. You know better. If Saban had a relationship that extended deeper than familiarity, these recruits wouldn't be emotionally venting to the media about Thompson's departure. Just my opinion...
I don't actually expect you to agree.
i agree that CNS is credited for alot in recruiting, and i think that comes from the official visits and his in-home visits. i think Lance Thompson was a HUGE asset to Alabama. he was great with getting the kids interested and getting them on campus and setting up in-homes, and CNS would knock them down. no disagreement that CNS probably gets more credit than he should, but you can't totally discount him either. anyway, it seemed in your original post you made it a point to single out or place emphasis on them not knowing CNS by saying:
They're also making it clear that they "don't really know any of the other coaches" including Saban.
for all you know, when he says the "other coaches" he means assistants. one would assume a kid committed to a school would know a head coach well enough to say "hey coach, i will lay the next 4 years of my football career in your hands. i will go through total hell and lay my body on the line to play for you and this team." thats where i think you are reading too much into a simple comment is all. we're talking guys who have had an in-home, guys who have had an official and have eaten breakfast at CNS' house. i understand the relationship isn't nearly as tight, i just think you are overstating.
in any event, as news gets out about Lance Thompson's wife filing for divorce from him, i think that will explain to alot of recruits why he might have left. i could certainly see that playing a role in him leaving, but there is no way to know whether that is the sole reason or not.
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I don't agree at all. Shock.
It simply boils down to the simple fact that, regardless of how many breakfasts and four wheeler rides kids might take at the Saban estate, he didn't have a relationship with these kids that kept them from emotionally venting to the media. What makes it worse, is that both kids in their articles quoted conversations with Saban. This means that even AFTER those conversations with the flawless one, they STILL vented emotionally to the press. That's not good.
The question was posed because I was curious to see what type of spin Alabama fans would use to defend Saban, and as expected, he can do no wrong. The point has been made.
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The question was posed because I was curious to see what type of spin Alabama fans would use to defend Saban, and as expected, he can do no wrong. The point has been made.
what would CNS need defending from? there was nothing that you stated in your original post that would suggest he needed to be defended. i see you have yet again congratulated yourself on winning an argument that was never made anywhere except in your head. good job. you didn't make any sort of accusation in your original post to prompt a defense of CNS. the recruits did not say they were upset at CNS. i think they were upset that CLT left with no notice and that he didn't even bother to call, and obviously upset that he did this and was their primary handler. his individual choice to do this in no way reflects on CNS. when CNS found out he and other coaches contacted those recruits and let them know what was up. but again, they may be more forgiving when they find out about his divorce. that is a big piece of the puzzle everybody was missing.
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Let me re-post two things, and we'll go from there.
1. I thought Saban was the main recruiter. He wrote and talked with all of these recruits, yet Richardson, West and a few others are talking about how shocked and dissapointed they are in Lance leaving. They're also making it clear that they "don't really know any of the other coaches" including Saban.
What say you?
I'm not necessarily accusing Nick Saban of anything other than not being perfect. I simply asked a question in order to see Alabama fan's responses.
2. The question was posed because I was curious to see what type of spin Alabama fans would use to defend Saban, and as expected, he can do no wrong. The point has been made.
My contention is, is that Saban hadn't earned two things:
1. Enough respect from Thompson to warrant a warning and a better handling of the situation. I believe, as a lot of people do, this was a result of the less than friendly status between Saban and several of his assistant coaches.
2. Even after talking with Saban, the recruits still were allowed, or still felt compelled to emotionally vent to the press. Saban's inability to cap this shows some weakness as it pertains to this situation.
In summary, Saban simply is no where near as perfect as Alabama fans and the media make him out to be. The defense of Saban in your last post is just another example of the pedestal Bama fans perch their Head Coach on. CNS didn't do this. CNS didn't do that. CNS does, did, and would never do wrong.
In the end, all I said was that my point was made. I won nothing. No congratulations are necessary. I tried ending it there, because even after what's been said, it would be too easy for you to acknowledge "after the fact" Saban's perceived mishandling of this recruiting situation and his assistant coaches departures.
I don't really see what could possibly be confusing at this point.
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Let me re-post two things, and we'll go from there.
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I'm not necessarily accusing Nick Saban of anything other than not being perfect. I simply asked a question in order to see Alabama fan's responses. well no shit. i don't really know anybody who is perfect.
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My contention is, is that Saban hadn't earned two things:
1. Enough respect from Thompson to warrant a warning and a better handling of the situation. I believe, as a lot of people do, this was a result of the less than friendly status between Saban and several of his assistant coaches. i'm sure CNS is not easy to work for. he demands alot of himself and equally of his assistants. it takes alot of hard work from everybody to make a team good. your point on this matter doesn't make too much sense when Clemson and Kevin Steele went through the proper channels and there was not a problem. the other assistants that have left and the schools they went to went through the proper official channels and there was not a problem. this is the first time in his tenure at Alabama that one of his assistants left in a clandestine matter. and i can halfass understand why he would want it done that way due to his family situation. i can understand why he didn't stay when he was offered more money. he said the decision was made because of family matters, and we find out a very reasonable explanation to that decision. while i could imagine that still his working conditions weren't the best and that probably played a role in it as well, you can't totally discount the divorce thing as a factor either.
2. Even after talking with Saban, the recruits still were allowed, or still felt compelled to emotionally vent to the press. Saban's inability to cap this shows some weakness as it pertains to this situation. you call him weak for him allowing the kids to speak their minds, but you would call him a total asshole if he told them they were not allowed to discuss it with the media. your perception of a weakness because he is not controlling their thoughts, words, and actions with an iron fist is mind boggling. when the media calls these kids and says "hey, how do you feel about this" i would expect them to tell the truth about how they feel. i guess by telling the kids they should take their visits and enjoy the recruiting process, he is showing weakness as well.
In summary, Saban simply is no where near as perfect as Alabama fans and the media make him out to be. The defense of Saban in your last post is just another example of the pedestal Bama fans perch their Head Coach on. CNS didn't do this. CNS didn't do that. CNS does, did, and would never do wrong. and thats because you were making no sense. you said you asked a question to see what defense would be formed for CNS by Alabama fans. i simply gave you scenarios that would normally warrant a defense that did not happen. and by your logic, by telling you that there is nothing that warrants a defense of CNS and by giving you examples of this, i was therefore defending him and proved a theory you never shared to be correct. ooooook.
In the end, all I said was that my point was made. I won nothing. No congratulations are necessary. I tried ending it there, because even after what's been said, it would be too easy for you to acknowledge "after the fact" Saban's perceived mishandling of this recruiting situation and his assistant coaches departures. and its only perceived mishandling because you want it to be. nevermind that CLT's wife filed for divorce the other week. nevermind that he may have actually been trying to leave town and get away from his old life. nevermind that he himself said before the news of his divorce surfaced that family also played a role. lets ignore that he said the following:
"People who are saying my leaving had anything to do with Nick Saban are false," Thompson said. "That's not true. Nick was very supportive of me. He has always been supportive of me. He was disappointed. I appreciate the fact that he thought I was a key part to his success there in terms of my recruiting and coaching."
"I wasn't looking to leave Alabama. I was happy there. We had just won 12 games and went to the Sugar Bowl. We were 15 minutes away from playing for a national championship. I had no reason to leave Alabama."
nevermind all of those very plausable reasons. it doesn't matter what CLT himself says. we're just going to pickup the "CNS is a terrible person" partyline and pin the whole thing on him, because it makes us feel better. its no secret that CNS doesn't have the rosiest personality. its no secret that he demands alot and is difficult to work for. its very much within the realm of possibility that these could have factored into CLT's decision as well. i never denied that. i just don't see how CNS somehow dropped the ball by letting these kids answer questions and tell how they feel. and last i checked, he has no mind control powers ad cannot absolutely control how a 17 year old kid feels. thats not a defense, its called logic. you are making a horrible attempt to spin something into a ridiculous angle and it doesn't even exist.
I don't really see what could possibly be confusing at this point.
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Yeah. This is pretty much a classic. I think we should leave this just like it is.
Thanks.
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Yeah. This is pretty much a classic. I think we should leave this just like it is.
Thanks.
I'm going to need a definition of classic.
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I'm going to need a definition of classic.
No.
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I'm going to need a definition of classic.
Main Entry: 1clas·sic
Pronunciation: \ˈkla-sik\
Function: adjective
Etymology: French or Latin; French classique, from Latin classicus of the highest class of Roman citizens, of the first rank, from classis
Date: circa 1604
1 a: serving as a standard of excellence : of recognized value <classic literary works> b: traditional , enduring <classic designs> c: characterized by simple tailored lines in fashion year after year <a classic suit>
2: of or relating to the ancient Greeks and Romans or their culture : classical
3 a: historically memorable <a classic battle> b: noted because of special literary or historical associations <Paris is the classic refuge of expatriates>
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Main Entry: 1clas·sic
Pronunciation: \ˈkla-sik\
Function: adjective
Etymology: French or Latin; French classique, from Latin classicus of the highest class of Roman citizens, of the first rank, from classis
Date: circa 1604
1 a: serving as a standard of excellence : of recognized value <classic literary works> b: traditional , enduring <classic designs> c: characterized by simple tailored lines in fashion year after year <a classic suit>
2: of or relating to the ancient Greeks and Romans or their culture : classical
3 a: historically memorable <a classic battle> b: noted because of special literary or historical associations <Paris is the classic refuge of expatriates>
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