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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: The Six on February 01, 2022, 07:10:48 AM
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Hate to say this because I really want this to work, but it appears our wizard-behind-the-curtains powers are never going to let Harsin succeed. Couple that with his personality - hard working, dig heels in, do it my way - and we have a simple fit that's never going to have time to work. I won't be surprised by any timeline on the exit. Seem inevitable now. So this is how the Vols football fans have felt for 30 years...
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Harsin is a good coach. But he was doomed from the start. The Steele stuff was the beginning. Adag pissed off the meddlers highly by hiring harsin.
And when you are not the favorite of those behind the curtain, you almost have to endear yourself to the fans and others to make up for it. And harsin doesn’t have that type of personality.
He would be good to say F this shit and head back to boise. They would welcome him. And I wouldn’t blame him. Our powers that be deserve a retard goober like Gus. A beta male they can control. Harsin ain’t that guy.
His biggest mistake I think was not just going with the guys he trusts and taking his lumps year 1 and making traction beyond that. Now year 2 is year 1 in that regard. Bobo and mason were forced retreads. A staff of mostly boise guys (with a proven track record and loyalty) with a few young and hungry sec/auburn ace recruiters (Carnell, Zack, trovon) was the right formula from day 1. Now that’s where he is. He’s really at a spot now where he should have been a year ago. But the leash got shorter over the last year.
I do think he can weather this storm. But I’m not sure if our ptb or harsin himself will want to see it to fruition. He has seen what we’re all about. The dysfunctional dumpster fire behind the scenes that we have been for a while.
Thank God for lord Bruce.
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I wonder to myself if the bammer fans got to this point with Saban in 2007/2008?
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Must be a bunch of adolescent patelli in here.
Lotta knee-jerkin.
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Must be a bunch of adolescent patelli in here.
Lotta knee-jerkin.
Make no mistake - I'm not good with this. I want Harsin and his way to succeed. Just reading the leaves of the JABA tree and it appears that will not be allowed to happen. THEY are gonna have their way no matter what.
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Make no mistake - I'm not good with this. I want Harsin and his way to succeed. Just reading the leaves of the JABA tree and it appears that will not be allowed to happen. THEY are gonna have their way no matter what.
I figure they won't go quietly, but that grip has (via optics, only) slipped dramatically. AG is out front, winning the PR war...building political capital.
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I figure they won't go quietly, but that grip has (via optics, only) slipped dramatically. AG is out front, winning the PR war...building political capital.
He definitely added a few bricks to his tower on Friday night.
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I figure they won't go quietly, but that grip has (via optics, only) slipped dramatically. AG is out front, winning the PR war...building political capital.
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Got a text from GH earlier saying Joko Willis is following the yellow brick road out of town. I haven't seen anything on it, but if true, that's 20 who have hit the portal, with only 5 players who have transferred in.
I don't know about Austin Davis' situation. There's no reason not to take him at his word and accept that something came up in his life that made him want to step away from football. I don't think you can point the finger at Harmin on that, but the fact remains that for whatever the reasons, he's having to replace his 3rd coordinator in just over a year.
Davis was an odd hire to me anyway. Zero experience as an OC, but he's coming to the SEC West to do just that. I guess conventional wisdom was that Hatpin was going to run the offense while Davis was brought in to develop the QB's. Maybe that's CBH's thing, and he's good at it. But I've never been a fan of the head corch at this level being the coordinator too. But, what do I know?
My main point in the Changes thread, was that if we're sitting here this time next year discussing the same exodus of players and coaches, there needs to be some eyebrows raised and some serious questions asked. But right now, all we can do is ride it out and hope this is one big weeding out process, and Bryman Hartlinz can get the ship headed in the right direction.
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Got a text from GH earlier saying Joko Willis is following the yellow brick road out of town. I haven't seen anything on it, but if true, that's 20 who have hit the portal, with only 5 players who have transferred in.
I don't know about Austin Davis' situation. There's no reason not to take him at his word and accept that something came up in his life that made him want to step away from football. I don't think you can point the finger at Harmin on that, but the fact remains that for whatever the reasons, he's having to replace his 3rd coordinator in just over a year.
Davis was an odd hire to me anyway. Zero experience as an OC, but he's coming to the SEC West to do just that. I guess conventional wisdom was that Hatpin was going to run the offense while Davis was brought in to develop the QB's. Maybe that's CBH's thing, and he's good at it. But I've never been a fan of the head corch at this level being the coordinator too. But, what do I know?
My main point in the Changes thread, was that if we're sitting here this time next year discussing the same exodus of players and coaches, there needs to be some eyebrows raised and some serious questions asked. But right now, all we can do is ride it out and hope this is one big weeding out process, and Bryman Hartlinz can get the ship headed in the right direction.
Its becoming clear that Harbingy is not on board with the southern athletic culture.
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Must be a bunch of adolescent patelli in here.
Lotta knee-jerkin.
There are “things” going on whether anyone likes it or not. And it’s worth acknowledging. No one is knee jerking anything.
But it’s obvious even to ray charles that the fb program is on a good run of bad luck since the early signing period in mid Dec.
The Saban 2007 and harsin 2022 situations are very different. Much of that to do with boosters and control. Harsin never had that same fair shake. Combine that with his standoffish type personality and it’s not a good combo in righting the ship of what was already a downward trending program when Gus was fired.
The point above was that a lot is going wrong. Some of it on harsin. Some of it not. His style, being an outsider, Personality, etc - is a bad mix for what was already a bad situation with the “Steele money people”. I hope he can right this ship. I really do. But it’s gonna be an uphill climb for sure. He needs some kind of good news at the moment. Anything really. Going back to mid dec, it’s been one bad thing after another bobo, bowl loss, mason, eason, portal whiff, nsd whiff, Austin Davis - and it’s just a terrible look. Some of that’s not on him but… Perception can become reality as we know in this sport.
He’s gotta fix this very very quickly.
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I figure they won't go quietly, but that grip has (via optics, only) slipped dramatically. AG is out front, winning the PR war...building political capital.
It’s still there wes. Make no mistake. I prematurely declared jaba with one foot in the grave Friday after the deal with lord Bruce. It may be in that regard. But they are meddling as bad as they ever have in the football program.
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portal whiff, nsd whiff,
Maybe I'm blocking it out, but what were the transfer and NSD whiffs?
I don't recall anything like the Calloway/Foster shenanigans.
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Just saying.... His responses to reporters at the Senior Bowl were not exactly confidence-inspiring.
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Maybe I'm blocking it out, but what were the transfer and NSD whiffs?
I don't recall anything like the Calloway/Foster shenanigans.
Let me know how many players of need (think, Olinemen and receivers) we got in the portal, and how many of our targets we sign today. It won't take you long to type that response. It'll be 0 on both questions.
Those are absolute whiffs and there is no way to spin that. I wish I could. I usually try to.
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Let me know how many players of need (think, Olinemen and receivers) we got in the portal, and how many of our targets we sign today. It won't take you long to type that response. It'll be 0 on both questions.
Those are absolute whiffs and there is no way to spin that. I wish I could. I usually try to.
He's right. He does like to sit and spin.
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He's right. He does like to sit and spin.
I get dizzy very easily. Is this how Harsin feels right now?
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Today feels kind of "debacle-ish"
:facepalm:
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Today feels kind of "debacle-ish"
:facepalm:
I was going to say -esque, but -ish works too.
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Today feels kind of "debacle-ish"
:facepalm:
we missed on fallback recruits too, as well as OL portal guys from Cornell, Louisiana and Jax State a few weeks ago.
Arnez Cooper (one of our NSD Fallback guys - read into this "sure thing") wanted to come to Auburn......Had an offer from Miami, but WANTED AUB - so what brilliant idea did Harvinz have? Offer him a walk on spot hoping he will take that over a scholly from Miami and a few others. Hes a big body and a raw talent, but we need linemen. Cooper chose Miami. I would have too. My patience on defending Harsin is running out.
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Is today really going to end with a zero on the books?
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I know there's a signing day forum, but since we're not signing anybody, I'll continue the talk.
When you look at the current 247 rankings, it doesn't come off as bad as it seems. The top 3, A&M, Bama and FUGA...along with #5 Texas, all have 27 or more signings. (I thought 25 was the max, but who knows?)
It's disheartening to see that Kentucky and Missouri landed at #12 and #13 respectively, while we sit at 18th. Auburn has 18 signees, 10 of which are 4*. LSU is right in front of us at #16, but only have 14 in the class. Gusty Gaytah is behind us at #20 with only 16 signees. So realistically, we're about middle of the class in the SEC.
The problem for me is this. No damn way we should not have filled out this class today. We have MAJOR needs on the offensive line, but still have the one recruit. We needed to find a stud receiver and a few more bodies on the D-line after 8 of them left. We've had 20 total leave the program and we did nothing.
As one of my many "inside sources" in Auburn put it today, "Either he doesn't want to recruit, or he doesn't know how." (By inside source, I mean the guy busing tables at Chappy's Deli in Auburn)
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Let me know how many players of need (think, Olinemen and receivers) we got in the portal, and how many of our targets we sign today. It won't take you long to type that response. It'll be 0 on both questions.
Those are absolute whiffs and there is no way to spin that. I wish I could. I usually try to.
Shit, today is signing day? Ha....totally missed that.
#basketballschool
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Shit, today is signing day? Ha....totally missed that.
#basketballschool
That’s what is sad wes. It’s like we didn’t notice or care. That’s telling.
But yeah, lord Bruce will take the pain away for a while. Thank god for that man.
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Speaking of things you hate to say.. Our fans can be just as stupid, ignorant, moronic, and fucktarded as those across the state.
"Hay, ya'll. Whatchu thank if we jest cut bait on Herbins today? I mean Will Muschamp's settin' out thar and yew know he'd run back to us. I mean mebbe it ain't no long term thang, but if we can stop gap him in there for like maybe a coupla years and get some of them folks back like Rodney Garner and them? Mebbe we can tarn this thang around perty quick. Whatchu thank?
I hate them almost as much as I do the brain-dead hillbillies that run behind that other team.
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Speaking of things you hate to say.. Our fans can be just as stupid, ignorant, moronic, and fucktarded as those across the state.
"Hay, ya'll. Whatchu thank if we jest cut bait on Herbins today? I mean Will Muschamp's settin' out thar and yew know he'd run back to us. I mean mebbe it ain't no long term thang, but if we can stop gap him in there for like maybe a coupla years and get some of them folks back like Rodney Garner and them? Mebbe we can tarn this thang around perty quick. Whatchu thank?
I hate them almost as much as I do the brain-dead hillbillies that run behind that other team.
That’s as moronic as those that are 100% sunshine pumping. Polar opposite but just as stupid.
Not to channel my inner snags but I swear I will cut the next person who says Muschamp needs to replace harsin. Sick of the obsession with him as a head coach.
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Anyone with any sense knows we are going to have to hit the portal hard. And the portal will fill up AFTER spring training.
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Anyone with any sense knows we are going to have to hit the portal hard. And the portal will fill up AFTER spring training.
The issue there is those late portal additions won’t be here til summer. I’m just losing faith that this staff can get our team any players of need via the portal. We’ve whiffed on so many so far that it’s not funny. What will change? We’ve got a pretty solid NIL program in place with a very driven, and pretty blonde as the bag lady. And it’s done nothing yet in this regard.I’m not giving up on them but I’m definitely in a state of “Missouri”.
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Anyone with any sense knows we are going to have to hit the portal hard. And the portal will fill up AFTER spring training.
Preparing myself to watch our lines of scrimmage get it pushed in - HARD - the next couple of seasons. It's thin, Riggs. Thin.
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Preparing myself to watch our lines of scrimmage get it pushed in - HARD - the next couple of seasons. It's thin, Riggs. Thin.
Even with 8 transfers out, the DLine still has a 3 full platoons.
Whatchu talkin bout, Willis?
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Not sure what the hell is happening here, but I seem to be turning into a sunshine pumper.
7 Seniors on the OL, I believe 2 of which are "super seniors" in their 6th year. If they can get someone to teach them to run block, should be serviceable in 2022. Going forward though...Hellcat better hit the portal and recruiting trail hard.
3 proven returners at DE and a FR to get in the mix is not deep, but barring injury would be fine.
3 returners at DL along with a big transfer and 3 big'uns coming in as FR/SO as 'cruits is plenty of depth there.
Also let me note that other than Pegues, all the guys on the DL who have hit the portal didn't actually end up on playoff bound teams either.
I'm not naïve enough to think this group will win the SEC in 22, but probably good enough to win 7-9 games and hopefully trend in a better direction by seasons end.
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Not sure what the hell is happening here, but I seem to be turning into a sunshine pumper.
7 Seniors on the OL, I believe 2 of which are "super seniors" in their 6th year. If they can get someone to teach them to run block, should be serviceable in 2022. Going forward though...Hellcat better hit the portal and recruiting trail hard.
3 proven returners at DE and a FR to get in the mix is not deep, but barring injury would be fine.
3 returners at DL along with a big transfer and 3 big'uns coming in as FR/SO as 'cruits is plenty of depth there.
Also let me note that other than Pegues, all the guys on the DL who have hit the portal didn't actually end up on playoff bound teams either.
I'm not naïve enough to think this group will win the SEC in 22, but probably good enough to win 7-9 games and hopefully trend in a better direction by seasons end.
This guy gets it.
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Not sure what the hell is happening here, but I seem to be turning into a sunshine pumper.
7 Seniors on the OL, I believe 2 of which are "super seniors" in their 6th year. If they can get someone to teach them to run block, should be serviceable in 2022. Going forward though...Hellcat better hit the portal and recruiting trail hard.
3 proven returners at DE and a FR to get in the mix is not deep, but barring injury would be fine.
3 returners at DL along with a big transfer and 3 big'uns coming in as FR/SO as 'cruits is plenty of depth there.
Also let me note that other than Pegues, all the guys on the DL who have hit the portal didn't actually end up on playoff bound teams either.
I'm not naïve enough to think this group will win the SEC in 22, but probably good enough to win 7-9 games and hopefully trend in a better direction by seasons end.
The D will be fine.
Its the OL and WRs people worry about, and rightfully so. Moreso the WRs for me. I have to think the light will come on for some of those guys that have been in the system that long. But again, Missouri. The most concerning thing though, is beyond 2022 on BOTH Lines. Thats where this past recruiting class is going to bite us in the ass without portal transfers or a HUGE haul for this upcoming NSD class.
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I see our fans tonight falling all over themselves to nominate Deion Sanders as the next head coach when Harsin is (according to the pissed off beat writers and pseudo-journalists who've been banned from the facility) inevitably fired by week's end.
Our people kill me. They really do.
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I see our fans tonight falling all over themselves to nominate Deion Sanders as the next head coach when Harsin is (according to the pissed off beat writers and pseudo-journalists who've been banned from the facility) inevitably fired by week's end.
Our people kill me. They really do.
Freaking millennials who never went through the lean years. They are more like bammers than they know.
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I see our fans tonight falling all over themselves to nominate Deion Sanders as the next head coach when Harsin is (according to the pissed off beat writers and pseudo-journalists who've been banned from the facility) inevitably fired by week's end.
Our people kill me. They really do.
Coach Prime does know how to work the NIL and kiss the ring...
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Coach Prime does now how to work the NIL and kiss the ring...
Plus, he can probably get the entire staff set up with some sweet Aflac Disability policies.
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I see our fans tonight falling all over themselves to nominate Deion Sanders as the next head coach when Harsin is (according to the pissed off beat writers and pseudo-journalists who've been banned from the facility) inevitably fired by week's end.
Our people kill me. They really do.
Real question though.....
And I don't disagree our fans and PTB are schizo but what did any fan or PTB do to cause any of Harsin's missteps since Oct 30, 2021?
I personally think Deion would do well IFFIN were going all hypothetical. For several reasons, but mainly recruiting.
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what did any fan or PTB do to cause any of Harsin's missteps since Oct 30, 2021?
What missteps are we talking about, specifically?
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What missteps are we talking about, specifically?
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What missteps are we talking about, specifically?
Jesus man....you been under a rock? I could have swore you were in on some of those threads and comments the last week.
1. MSU debacle
2. SC debacle
3. Bobo - its arguable here who this falls on.
4. Nix
5. Eason - yes, Clemson was his school but he wanted out
6. Mason - horribly handled, was gonna go home to NO JOB before Okie State handed him a lifeline.
7. Portal whiffs
8. NSD whiffs
9. Austin Davis
10. The mass exodus defections (20, 18 of them scholly players)
11. Junior Day - lack of connection and organization
12. Coach Corn
13. Coaching Conventions - lack of connection
14. Relationship Building with HS Coaches - lack of connection
15. Jr Summer Camps - lack of connection
16. Subpar Recruiting Visits - lack of connection , seeing a trend here??
17. And just general lack of endearment to fans and the media and the admin..... Think Bruce Pearl here. no one expects Harsin to be Pearl...but more along those lines would be the right path.
All I'm saying Wes, is at some point its on him. Not fans, not other coaches, not "problem" players, and not boosters - but HIM. Hes the common thread.
ALL THAT SAID......this is NOT the time to fire a coach. Unless you have Bob Stoops or Dave Arranda or Urban Meyer ALREADY lined up, this is not a good idea. AT ALL.
Harsin himself said there is no plan B. So I am not sure where we go from here. I'd like to see the dude adjust and correct this stuff. Some of it is pretty bad. I don't know if he will get the chance to now. After 14 months, its hard to tell if he will/would change things up by A-Day or Two a Days. If by then he still hasn't and we have another mediocre season - I'd say that's a solid 2 season, 2 year sample size of who the guy is. But I think right now, that sample size is still too small to fire him.
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Jesus man....you been under a rock? I could have swore you were in on some of those threads and comments the last week.
1. MSU debacle - both coordinators responsible are gone.
2. SC debacle - Ditto.
3. Bobo - its arguable here who this falls on. What debacle? He was a placeholder at best to bridge the network gap for a west coast guy.
4. Nix - Again, what debacle? He didn't waste 3 years of the kid's development and he damned well better NOT let a prima donna player dictate terms with his deddy.
5. Eason - yes, Clemson was his school but he wanted out
6. Mason - horribly handled, was gonna go home to NO JOB before Okie State handed him a lifeline. Yeah, not sure what went on here...without more info, it's irresponsible to call it Harsin's problem.
7. Portal whiffs We bagged some of the biggest fish in the portal.
8. NSD whiffs I think NSD is a zombie that no one has had the heart to skull bash. Early signing day was the first nail...and the transportalizer took a big old infected bite out of its neck. I'll declare recruiting a problem if we don't fill up those last 8-9 spots prior to summer camp.
9. Austin Davis We've had weird NFL hire/non-hires before. See Rich Bisaccia (interim Raiders coach*). You roll the dice hiring a guy with no colege ties in the middle of the NFL playoffs. Lots of things are still up in the air in the league at that time.
10. The mass exodus defections (20, 18 of them scholly players) Errbody is getting battered by this development while guys try to find a spot on the field.
Fuck's sake. Everybody take a deep breath or ten and cool the fuck out.
The rest of this is just supposition and hearsay.
11. Junior Day - lack of connection and organization
12. Coach Corn
13. Coaching Conventions - lack of connection
14. Relationship Building with HS Coaches - lack of connection
15. Jr Summer Camps - lack of connection
16. Subpar Recruiting Visits - lack of connection , seeing a trend here??
17. And just general lack of endearment to fans and the media and the admin..... Think Bruce Pearl here. no one expects Harsin to be Pearl...but more along those lines would be the right path.
All I'm saying Wes, is at some point its on him. Not fans, not other coaches, not "problem" players, and not boosters - but HIM. Hes the common thread.
That's letting the power brokers off the hook here pretty easily.
ALL THAT SAID......this is NOT the time to fire a coach. Unless you have Bob Stoops or Dave Arranda or Urban Meyer ALREADY lined up, this is not a good idea. AT ALL.
nk right now, that sample size is still too small to fire him.
Here we agree at least.
*BTW...did y'all see that Paul Rhoads is coaching in Gulf Shores now???
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the quote function owning Wes hard.
Ill ask again, and maybe y'all answer it this time - what did any fan or PTB do to cause ANY OF those missteps under Harsin's watch? I know they are an easy boogeyman and I have my pure disdain for Yella too (as some off the board know) but the head man has to be held accountable especially coming in talking a big game. And he's gotta change his way of doing things.....period. The optics are starting to look really bad for him nationally. And in big boy football and recruiting, perception is mostly reality.
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the quote function owning Wes hard.
The struggle is real.
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One thing about the quote function here is it will point out a stupid motherfucker very quickly.
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No pun intended Wes, but was it hearsay when Terry exhibited some of these same flaws as far as recruiting, camps, relationships, official visits, etc? It was pretty well known with him as a fatal flaw and its becoming pretty well known with Harsin. It can't persist. This is a small state and the HS Coaching community talks. You find out really quickly what kind of reputation a college coach has as a recruiter. And before anyone shouts from the rooftops "top 20 class" - Take Carnell, Trovon and Zack away and see where it lands. 3 Homegrown Auburn guys plus Eason landed a top 20 class by themselves, not the Boise gang.
Lee Hunter, who transferred from Auburn to UCF earlier this offseason, posted on Instagram on Friday that "Coach Harsin has the true mindset for a winner but has a terrible mindset as a person." He also posted "the reason I chose to leave auburn is because we got treated like we wasn't good enough and like dogs."
Say what yall want about the kid. Call him soft or a beta or whatever makes you feel big and bad, but any kid that says things like should raise a bit of an alarm bell. There is a fine line between a hard ass like Saban or Boom vs a tyrant like Bobby Knight.
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One thing about the quote function here is it will point out a stupid motherfucker very quickly.
I will disagree with Wes at times but ill never accuse him of being stupid. Hes not. Perhaps its why hes a fun debate.
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No pun intended Wes, but was it hearsay when Terry exhibited some of these same flaws as far as recruiting, camps, relationships, official visits, etc? It was pretty well known with him as a fatal flaw and its becoming pretty well known with Harsin. It can't persist. This is a small state and the HS Coaching community talks. You find out really quickly what kind of reputation a college coach has as a recruiter. And before anyone shouts from the rooftops "top 20 class" - Take Carnell, Trovon and Zack away and see where it lands. 3 Homegrown Auburn guys plus Eason landed a top 20 class by themselves, not the Boise gang.
Say what yall want about the kid. Call him soft or a beta or whatever makes you feel big and bad, but any kid that says things like should raise a bit of an alarm bell. There is a fine line between a hard ass like Saban or Boom vs a tyrant like Bobby Knight.
Who's more credible? Team Captain, Chandler Wooten, or transfer bench-rider Lee Hunter (from his Auburntigers.com profile: 2021: Did not see game action)?
https://twitter.com/ItsMeWootang/status/1489644138316374019
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Who's more credible? Team Captain, Chandler Wooten, or transfer bench-rider Lee Hunter (from his Auburntigers.com profile: 2021: Did not see game action)?
https://twitter.com/ItsMeWootang/status/1489644138316374019
Different things or approaches affect players in different ways..
I don't think its about one player or another being more credible. If that culture is in your locker room at all or if any player feels this way, it needs to be addressed. Perhaps there are misunderstandings on intent or relatability concerns but thats gotta be hashed out either way.
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I will disagree with Wes at times but ill never accuse him of being stupid. Hes not. Perhaps its why hes a fun debate.
maybe not but I think we can all agree he’s a motherfucker.
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maybe not but I think we can all agree he’s a motherfucker.
But only if she hot
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No pun intended Wes, but was it hearsay when Terry exhibited some of these same flaws as far as recruiting, camps, relationships, official visits, etc? It was pretty well known with him as a fatal flaw and its becoming pretty well known with Harsin. It can't persist. This is a small state and the HS Coaching community talks. You find out really quickly what kind of reputation a college coach has as a recruiter. And before anyone shouts from the rooftops "top 20 class" - Take Carnell, Trovon and Zack away and see where it lands. 3 Homegrown Auburn guys plus Eason landed a top 20 class by themselves, not the Boise gang.
Say what yall want about the kid. Call him soft or a beta or whatever makes you feel big and bad, but any kid that says things like should raise a bit of an alarm bell. There is a fine line between a hard ass like Saban or Boom vs a tyrant like Bobby Knight.
Worth repeating because I've seen this movie before.
I personally know a kid who was a 5* with interest from everybody in the world. Wanted to go to AU. His dad wanted an in-home from little terry Bowden. I talked directly to the AU AD and the Bowden staff telling them specifically that. Every other coach had been to their house. Fulmer, DuBose, Willingham, Holtz... all came to the guy's house. All Bowden had to do was meet with them. Fucker could not be bothered. Send Rodney Allison. To a practice.
Kid went on to set defensive records at UA that still stand. Started for four years. Played in the NFL.
I don't know that Herwig is of the same distant mold, but I've seen the rampant speculation that he's out of touch with the situation and the players. Auburn "just being Auburn" isn't enough for some of these kids even if the WANT to come there.
Maybe none of this is true. Maybe it's just that Harsin is a hard ass and our roster was candy fuck soft after greasy Gus got through being their buddy. Maybe that's the source of complaint. I don't know. I just know he's not endearing himself to anybody now.
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Maybe none of this is true. Maybe it's just that Harsin is a hard ass and our roster was candy fuck soft after greasy Gus got through being their buddy. Maybe that's the source of complaint.
This seems to be likely.
I don't know. I just know he's not endearing himself to anybody now.
I still don't have any qualms about the dude.
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I just hope that it doesn’t end up being that Harper actually is a Scientologist.
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This seems to be likely.
I still don't have any qualms about the dude.
Again, I don't want to see the dude fired Wes. I want him to take a hard look in the mirror, see the error of some of his ways, take the constructive criticism, realize that what hes done thus far is not gonna work here long term and make some adjustments.
K is right - He's got to endear himself to the whole team, the whole fanbase, the new President, etc. You cannot have 50% of the team hating you. And 50% liking you. If you look around on social media right now, different factions of players are at each other at the moment...it sounds just like the fans. Hes gotta unify that going forward. He's got to sell himself to the whole damn team and fanbase and get them all to buy in. Thats the biggest thing hes failed on thus far. Its really that simple.
Smoke Monday, Zakoby, Kobe Hudson were all contributors and have expressed similar thoughts to Hunter's but Smoke said it best (below) - if he can get the people stuff down, the sky is the limit for the dude. Its obvious he knows how to coach.
My hope here is that Burgess, Gogue and Greene have a come to Jesus meeting with Harsin and try to iron this stuff out and perhaps work on a plan to get Hars more personable and relatable. It's not really up for debate at this point. Its gotta happen.
Kobe Hudson: "When Harsin learns how to relate to people, he'll be the next Nick Saban."
Smoke Monday: "He's a great coach, it's just the people stuff."
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Again, I don't want to see the dude fired Wes. I want him to take a hard look in the mirror, see the error of some of his ways, take the constructive criticism, realize that what hes done thus far is not gonna work here long term and make some adjustments.
K is right - He's got to endear himself to the whole team, the whole fanbase, the new President, etc. You cannot have 50% of the team hating you. And 50% liking you. If you look around on social media right now, different factions of players are at each other at the moment...it sounds just like the fans. Hes gotta unify that going forward. He's got to sell himself to the whole damn team and fanbase and get them all to buy in. Thats the biggest thing hes failed on thus far. Its really that simple.
Smoke Monday, Zakoby, Kobe Hudson were all contributors and have expressed similar thoughts to Hunter's but Smoke said it best (below) - if he can get the people stuff down, the sky is the limit for the dude. Its obvious he knows how to coach.
My hope here is that Burgess, Gogue and Greene have a come to Jesus meeting with Harsin and try to iron this stuff out and perhaps work on a plan to get Hars more personable and relatable. It's not really up for debate at this point. Its gotta happen.
Kobe Hudson: "When Harsin learns how to relate to people, he'll be the next Nick Saban."
Smoke Monday: "He's a great coach, it's just the people stuff."
For each of the malcontents no longer on the roster but spouting off, I've seen current players vouching for Harsin.
It's a dramatic culture change. There will be growing pains. You don't tell a 45 year old man who has extensive experience and success in his chosen field to radically alter his personality. It won't happen. What he is has worked for him thus far and what Auburn has been has not worked...so, embrace the change.
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I just hope that it doesn’t end up being that Harper actually is a Scientologist.
This is what real enquiring minds want to know.
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For each of the malcontents no longer on the roster but spouting off, I've seen current players vouching for Harsin.
It's a dramatic culture change. There will be growing pains. You don't tell a 45 year old man who has extensive experience and success in his chosen field to radically alter his personality. It won't happen. What he is has worked for him thus far and what Auburn has been has not worked...so, embrace the change.
a coaching journey is an evolution. Hes gotta change some. Hes in a vastly different paradigm full of piranhas than he was in the friendly big sky country of Idaho. What 100% worked up there is not going to work here. Now, it doesn't require a total 180 or re-engineering of his methods, but merely an adjustment. Soft skill honing is something that goes on in every job and is a constant almost your entire career, no matter the profession.
Just like when you become the boss, you have to do the same. He will not survive without the soft skills, politicking(to a degree) and warming up to players, fans, hs coaches and recruits. Thats just a hard truth.
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Winning cures all. Or damn near all.
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Back to Saban for a minute.
When he first got there, he didn't endear himself to anybody either. He pissed off a LOT of people with his bullshit, honestly. I know for a fact there was a group of former players and boosters who were plotting to have him removed middle of the first season.
The ONLY reasons that didn't get traction are 1) Saban's force of personality was so strong that it scared some of the administrators and 2) the school was so desperate to regain some hint of relevancy after Tuberville fingering them year after year that they had to give it a shot.
The guy told Bama quasi-legends to get the fuck out of the practice facility and weight room and don't come back. This ain't Gold's Gym. He told boosters to do their booster shit and shut the fuck up. He'd tell them when he needed their help or opinion. He had an AD - one of the dumbest people I've ever had the misfortune of talking to, Mal Moore - who had fucked up the coaching search so badly that they almost had the Rich and Rita show -- who was going to ride or die on this hill and he backed Saban every step of the way even as people wanted him tossed out on his grizzled ass, too. Saban told the media to kiss his fucking ass and for some reason they fell all over themselves to suck up to that abuse.
While the "doing shit my way" Saban comparisons have a small amount of merit, Horton doesn't have the AD backing and media fealty that he did. Herbert also won't have the media support. Our "beat writers" are hacks who enjoy stirring up controversy and strife. For some reason we always seem to draw Woodward and Bernstein wannabes who look for angles from which to lob grenades.
Hennypenny also doesn't have the 100% loyalty of the fans. There was no adoring throng to greet him at the airport like a savior.
He can act like a Saban, be no nonsense like a Saban but the hill he has to climb is much steeper. He has to win like one too and that doesn't look likely at the moment.
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Back to Saban for a minute.
When he first got there, he didn't endear himself to anybody either. He pissed off a LOT of people with his bullshit, honestly. I know for a fact there was a group of former players and boosters who were plotting to have him removed middle of the first season.
The ONLY reasons that didn't get traction are 1) Saban's force of personality was so strong that it scared some of the administrators and 2) the school was so desperate to regain some hint of relevancy after Tuberville fingering them year after year that they had to give it a shot.
The guy told Bama quasi-legends to get the fuck out of the practice facility and weight room and don't come back. This ain't Gold's Gym. He told boosters to do their booster shit and shut the fuck up. He'd tell them when he needed their help or opinion. He had an AD - one of the dumbest people I've ever had the misfortune of talking to, Mal Moore - who had fucked up the coaching search so badly that they almost had the Rich and Rita show -- who was going to ride or die on this hill and he backed Saban every step of the way even as people wanted him tossed out on his grizzled ass, too. Saban told the media to kiss his fucking ass and for some reason they fell all over themselves to suck up to that abuse.
While the "doing shit my way" Saban comparisons have a small amount of merit, Horton doesn't have the AD backing and media fealty that he did. Herbert also won't have the media support. Our "beat writers" are hacks who enjoy stirring up controversy and strife. For some reason we always seem to draw Woodward and Bernstein wannabes who look for angles from which to lob grenades.
Hennypenny also doesn't have the 100% loyalty of the fans. There was no adoring throng to greet him at the airport like a savior.
He can act like a Saban, be no nonsense like a Saban but the hill he has to climb is much steeper. He has to win like one too and that doesn't look likely at the moment.
Fucking Rack Him. Epic!!!
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Feels like a pivotal time in Auburn athletics. The AD is an outsider riding the stratospheric success of the basketball program. If he can shelter his outsider football coach long enough for the culture to take hold, we might see an Auburn athletic department untethered from that ego- driven micro management.
If they try to parlay a fabricated scandal and some disgruntled ex player comments into firing a new coach, then they'll just be shooting off their noses to spite their stupid faces.
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Dye, for those of you who remember, did both. He was one of the hardest, meanest people on campus but he'd also love you to death
This is where I think Harsin CAN BE if hes willing. All im saying. He doesn't have to change from the hard ass persona that he is to do it either. Ive seen him shown glimpses of it after wins. Ive seen Bruce do it. He will chew you out and make you think he wants to eat your first born for simply missing a screen....Then he will hug your ass and cry with you when Okeke goes down...on national tv.
The "I watched ya become men" speech with Slack standing behind him.... THAT...right there.
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Feels like a pivotal time in Auburn athletics. The AD is an outsider riding the stratospheric success of the basketball program. If he can shelter his outsider football coach long enough for the culture to take hold, we might see an Auburn athletic department untethered from that ego- driven micro management.
If they try to parlay a fabricated scandal and some disgruntled ex player comments into firing a new coach, then they'll just be shooting off their noses to spite their stupid faces.
I agree with you that its a dumb power driven move dude.
My whole argument on his persona and soft skills is an argument to keep the guy and wanting him to succeed. We agree here more than you think. I think doing that gives him a better chance. As K said, his hill is much steeper than most. He needs to do everything he can at this point.
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Feels like a pivotal time in Auburn athletics. The AD is an outsider riding the stratospheric success of the basketball program. If he can shelter his outsider football coach long enough for the culture to take hold, we might see an Auburn athletic department untethered from that ego- driven micro management.
If they try to parlay a fabricated scandal and some disgruntled ex player comments into firing a new coach, then they'll just be shooting off their noses to spite their stupid faces.
I need serious face time with you, big boy.
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I need serious face time with you, big boy.
hollup wait just a damn minute, you call other people that too? I thought we had something special. That one night - on the beach. When we said it would last forever. You didn't mean it, did you?
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Feels like a pivotal time in Auburn athletics.
Back to Saban again....
Alabama was at that precipice when he got there. Somewhere in this board's history buried in one of these decade old threads you'll find Kaos telling you then it was an all or nothing situation. Either Saban was the savior they hoped for, or it was over for them. The slide to irrelevancy and a status on par with Ole Miss would continue unabated. Obviously he was that for them. But we all forget just how close we were to knocking them off the map permanently.
If fucking Paul Finebaum just hadn't had a field day with Rich Rodriguez's wife's hair... he would have signed that contract, Saban would have flopped miserably in the NFL and most likely ended up at Michigan or Notre Dame. Everything ... everything would be different.
What we didn't realize at that same time, though, was how pivotal that time was for us as well. When they brought Saban in and basically said 'build the empire' our fucktarded, moronic, shitbird, dicko power-that-be mommy parts SHOULD have made a similar play and stepped up for our coaching staff. We HAD the leverage. We had six straight over Bama. We were two years removed from what should have been a national championship and the most successful senior class in history. But what had we been doing for those two years? Shoving our thumbs up our asses, undermining Tuberville (granted, some was his fault), jerking off to pictures of Houston fucking Nutt... essentially tearing down everything we'd built. We had the leverage. We had the momentum. We had the hearts and minds of the sidewalkers. Pardon the pun, but the tide had almost turned. We could have stopped Saban. We could have denied his recruiting momentum. We could have changed the trajectory. And we shit in our own bed. Recruiting against a wounded, disorganized animal busy biting its own ass was easy for him. And it steamrolled from there. The motherfucker has NEVER been a good coach, but he and his moneybag mafia are outstanding recruiters.
We're at a major crossroads now. Saban's powers will soon wane. Kirby is a bowl-cut copycat and the dogs will flame out. Kiffin's Ole Miss allure will quickly wear off. Kelly isn't going to do what LSU thinks he will. A power vacuum is coming in this league. If we can get all the donkeys pulling in the same direction we could do in the next decade what we did in the 80s or more. Right now, we've got donkeys running in a dozen different directions, half of them with their tails on fire.
Hairpin is the ONLY person who can fix this. He needs to get back from vacation, shove that ugly ass wife of his in the closet (because nobody has ever fit Auburn worse than her) and take fucking charge of the narrative. If he doesn't? He's done. But whatever happens, we better get it together quickly or it's going to be a long dark winter of death. And I'm too fucking old for that shit.
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Back to Saban again....
Alabama was at that precipice when he got there. Somewhere in this board's history buried in one of these decade old threads you'll find Kaos telling you then it was an all or nothing situation. Either Saban was the savior they hoped for, or it was over for them. The slide to irrelevancy and a status on par with Ole Miss would continue unabated. Obviously he was that for them. But we all forget just how close we were to knocking them off the map permanently.
If fucking Paul Finebaum just hadn't had a field day with Rich Rodriguez's wife's hair... he would have signed that contract, Saban would have flopped miserably in the NFL and most likely ended up at Michigan or Notre Dame. Everything ... everything would be different.
What we didn't realize at that same time, though, was how pivotal that time was for us as well. When they brought Saban in and basically said 'build the empire' our fucktarded, moronic, shitbird, dicko power-that-be mommy parts SHOULD have made a similar play and stepped up for our coaching staff. We HAD the leverage. We had six straight over Bama. We were two years removed from what should have been a national championship and the most successful senior class in history. But what had we been doing for those two years? Shoving our thumbs up our asses, undermining Tuberville (granted, some was his fault), jerking off to pictures of Houston fucking Nutt... essentially tearing down everything we'd built. We had the leverage. We had the momentum. We had the hearts and minds of the sidewalkers. Pardon the pun, but the tide had almost turned. We could have stopped Saban. We could have denied his recruiting momentum. We could have changed the trajectory. And we shit in our own bed. Recruiting against a wounded, disorganized animal busy biting its own ass was easy for him. And it steamrolled from there. The motherfucker has NEVER been a good coach, but he and his moneybag mafia are outstanding recruiters.
We're at a major crossroads now. Saban's powers will soon wane. Kirby is a bowl-cut copycat and the dogs will flame out. Kiffin's Ole Miss allure will quickly wear off. Kelly isn't going to do what LSU thinks he will. A power vacuum is coming in this league. If we can get all the donkeys pulling in the same direction we could do in the next decade what we did in the 80s or more. Right now, we've got donkeys running in a dozen different directions, half of them with their tails on fire.
Hairpin is the ONLY person who can fix this. He needs to get back from vacation, shove that ugly ass wife of his in the closet (because nobody has ever fit Auburn worse than her) and take fucking charge of the narrative. If he doesn't? He's done. But whatever happens, we better get it together quickly or it's going to be a long dark winter of death. And I'm too fucking old for that shit.
Atta boy. I’ve missed these long rants. But you ain’t wrong homie.
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I've been thinking on this a long time. And it's quite possibly the stupidest take I've ever had, but deep down I believe it's probably true.
This will NEVER fit Auburn.
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He's okay (sort of). But.......She isn't right. Anybody who would hitch his wagon to that kind of plasticity leaves questions about his judgment in general. She isn't Auburn. Nothing about that surgically butchered, bicycle pump lipped face reflects what Auburn considers itself to be. That's more at home on one of those epically shitty Tyler Perry OWN shows.
Harsin might be a good coach and a good leader. But you can't just vet the man, you've got to vet the baggage. And this leathery carryon should have been an enormous red flag.
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This is where I think Harsin CAN BE if hes willing. All im saying. He doesn't have to change from the hard ass persona that he is to do it either. Ive seen him shown glimpses of it after wins. Ive seen Bruce do it. He will chew you out and make you think he wants to eat your first born for simply missing a screen....Then he will hug your ass and cry with you when Okeke goes down...on national tv.
The "I watched ya become men" speech with Slack standing behind him.... THAT...right there.
Dye was not the “love you to death” coach that first couple of seasons. AFTER he set his culture in stone, he backed off a bit. He had to hit them hard and then back off. He made many guys quit. But the ones who stayed, he loved them.
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Due was not the “love you to death” coach that first couple of seasons. AFTER he set his culture in stone, he backed off a bit. He had to hit them hard and then back off. He made many guys quit. But the ones who stayed, he loved them.
It says a lot about Due that you still maintain a high level of respect for him, yet he never had a clue who you were.