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Title: Home Run Hire?
Post by: Snaggletiger on November 26, 2018, 10:46:09 PM
Yeah, this is long, but the season is over.

The inevitable speculation is already starting concerning Malzahn's future at Auburn.  Logical and somewhat rational thinking would indicate that Auburn backed itself into a corner and paying anything close to the epic buyout they negotiated would make them the laughing stock of college football and the business world.  However, many AU fans feel it justified based on the laughable, one-sided contract given to a coach who has not lost less than 4 games in 5 years now.  Will it happen?  I have no clue.  Nor does anyone else, and methinks many are getting trolled by the rumors and in-your-end-OH's being offered as comedy relief by rival fans.

But let's play along and go totally hypothetical here.  What if they canned Gus tomorrow?  Well, one thing I can say for certain about that is if they did, they already had a plan in motion.  But let's take that in another direction.  Gus is gone and the coaching search is on.  My question, as the title indicates, is does Auburn have the intention, much less the desire or ability, to make the "Home Run Hire"? 

First, you have to define home run hire.  Probably different in everyone's mind.  Let me give you mine.  A coach who is a proven winner at the highest level, be it college or pro.  One who is strong willed enough to come in and say, "The hell with the way you've been doing it.  You hired me.  Now you're going to do it my way."  Alabama did that with Saban.  He was a winner everywhere he went, sans Miami, and is just the type of egotistical, zero personality bastard to make that happen.  Plus, he has a fan base and boosters that live and die according to what the Tahd is doing on the football field and are willing to do whatever it take$ to make $ure he ha$ the re$ource$ needed to get the job done.  Doesn't hurt to be suck buddies with the NCAA Prez who turns a blind eye to everything.

Okay, so home run hires.  Well, geez Snags, who is out there?  First off, take all that bullshit about, "He ain't coming."  "Auburn can't get him".  "He has too much baggage".  "I don't like him because..."....and throw that crap in the toilet.  Nick Saban is an ASSHOLE!!!  He acts like a 3rd grader who just had someone cut in line in front of him in the lunch room.  He has the people skills of Joy Behar and Woopi Goldberg being keynote speakers at the Republican National Convention.  He wins and wins big.  The hell with everything else.

Who?  Bob Stoops.  Dabo Swinney.  Urban Meyer.  Well there's 3 right there off the top of my head.  Am I pushing for any of them?  No, just throwing YUGE names against the wall, all of which would fucking kill.  Before you go and start poking holes in any of them, first think about the coaches themselves.  Meet all the criteria above.  What about money?  Geez, you assholes are talking about scraping up $32 million plus about $6 million more just to get our current staff to leave.  You think money is somehow an issue?  Not at Auburn.  Go ahead, think of some more BIGLY names out there.

But would Auburn ever do it?  Despite the fact that they've thrown this obscene amount of money at a HORRIBLE coach like Malzahn, I truly don't believe they would ever go Bruce Pearl where the football program is concerned.  (Pearl sucks BTW)  Look at our history:

Shug retires....Doug Barfield.

Barfield fails...Pat Dye.  I was around for the Dye hire.  He had done a decent job at East Carolina and Wyoming.  We lucked out big time and found a diamond in the rough.  Home run hire?  Not even close.

Dye exits and in comes...Terry Bowden.  A collective..."Who".  Terry Bowden, the former head coach of Salem and Samford.  I won't even address home run hire.

Bowden goes Pffffffft....in comes Tommy Tuberville.  I liked the hire.  Did a good job at an NCAA sanction strapped Ole Miss.  Certainly didn't make any waves around college football.

So Tommy takes his $5 million buyout and Auburn moves on to 5-19 Gene Chizik.  Need I say more?

Chiz blows up and we form a search committee that comes up with a former high school coach who has one year of HC experience in the Sun Belt. 

Folks, that dates back 40 years.  Our history says there's no way in hell we'd ever go for the fences with our next football hire.  No way we ever say, "Just this once, let's see if we can take it to the next level and stay there."  We have the facilities.  We have the fan base.  We have the tradition.  We're in the best conference in America.  And we have the money.  The question is not about what you think of any possible HR hires.  The question is simply, would Auburn ever go there?      
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: bgreene on November 26, 2018, 11:01:50 PM
I think we are at a time that it being seriously thought about. TPTB are different then the ones of the past. I believe that because of little nicky, and the lack of consistency from our current coach, that a big hire is truly what they are wanting. Also, with a big hire means more money coming in. You bring in a big name that proves they can win and contest for the SECCG every year, more people willing to pay big money for anything Auburn. 
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: Snaggletiger on November 26, 2018, 11:14:54 PM
Bruce Pearl blew me away.  (Despite the fact that I know he's obviously the wrong man for the job.:big:)  When they announced Pearl, I was thinking someone is playing a cruel joke on us.  That's not Auburn.  We're Cliff Ellis, Tommy Joe Eagles, Jeff Lebo, Tony Barbaric.  We're Terry Bowden, Gene Chizik and Gus Malzahn.  We don't do shit like that...ever.  If...and I say IF...Gus were gone, would they really go steroid level, Barry Bonds, Mark McGuire and Sammy Sosa?  40 years of history says no.
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: GH2001 on November 26, 2018, 11:24:22 PM
I think we are at a time that it being seriously thought about. TPTB are different then the ones of the past. I believe that because of little nicky, and the lack of consistency from our current coach, that a big hire is truly what they are wanting. Also, with a big hire means more money coming in. You bring in a big name that proves they can win and contest for the SECCG every year, more people willing to pay big money for anything Auburn.

I think, this ^^^

saban has changed a lot.

Saban was in the middle of his current run in 2013. We hired the guy who ate his lunch in 2010. Was it the right move, hell no. But Bama didn’t look nearly as invinceable and the juggernaut as they do in 2018. I honestly thought with 2010 and 2013 that we had put a nice sized dent in their armor.  It’s a different time. Like them or not they’ve changed the whole game. And people’s perception. I think auburn has no choice but to go big here. And I THINK that some PTB finally have awakened and realize this. 

This was Ga’s thinking with Kirby. Take a  saban protege. A Ga guy. Give him the keys to the kingdom and some money bags, protect him from the Ajc and let him do his thing.


To a degree this is what we have to do or we will be having the conversation again in 2-4 years after gus is gone.
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: Kaos on November 26, 2018, 11:33:54 PM
The Braves hired Brian McCann.  Can he still hit homeruns? 
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: The Prowler on November 27, 2018, 12:42:56 AM
Bill Belichick
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: jmar on November 27, 2018, 01:19:53 AM
I think, this ^^^

saban has changed a lot.

Saban was in the middle of his current run in 2013. We hired the guy who ate his lunch in 2010. Was it the right move, hell no. But Bama didn’t look nearly as invinceable and the juggernaut as they do in 2018. I honestly thought with 2010 and 2013 that we had put a nice sized dent in their armor.  It’s a different time. Like them or not they’ve changed the whole game. And people’s perception. I think auburn has no choice but to go big here. And I THINK that some PTB finally have awakened and realize this.

This was Ga’s thinking with Kirby. Take a  saban protege. A Ga guy. Give him the keys to the kingdom and some money bags, protect him from the Ajc and let him do his thing.


To a degree this is what we have to do or we will be having the conversation again in 2-4 years after gus is gone.
We could do worse than a Stoops/Dabo protege in Brent Venables if we were wanting to go the route of top flight coordinators. 
Good to hear Stoops deny any contact. 
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: Jumbo on November 27, 2018, 03:36:08 AM
So Stoops denial means that we have been in talks with him 100%.
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: Saniflush on November 27, 2018, 06:46:55 AM

This was Ga’s thinking with Kirby. Take a  saban protege. A Ga guy. Give him the keys to the kingdom and some money bags, protect him from the Ajc and let him do his thing.


But can we really protect him from the Opelika Auburn News?
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: wesfau2 on November 27, 2018, 08:05:17 AM
There are less than a handful of names that blow my skirt up given the current CFB environment.

I think it's a fool's errand to chase Saban without the attendant NCAA protections.

You point out the relative unknown quantities that came to coach at Auburn over the last 40 years...and they're the ones that laid the foundation for success with stability.

Chasing Saban got us Chiz (and the crystal) and Gus.

As backassward as our "process" looks, it hits more often than not if we disregard the Saban-effect.
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: The Six on November 27, 2018, 08:09:38 AM
Here's the rub - Auburn doesn't need to do something drastic to try and win an arms race with Alabama or Georgia. Fact is, Auburn attracts top talent. We just haven't done much with a lot of it. Need coaches who not only recruit but develop these guys. That brings stability and wins. 
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: wesfau2 on November 27, 2018, 08:12:20 AM
Here's the rub - Auburn doesn't need to do something drastic to try and win an arms race with Alabama or Georgia. Fact is, Auburn attracts top talent. We just haven't done much with a lot of it. Need coaches who not only recruit but develop these guys. That brings stability and wins.

Yup.
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: Kaos on November 27, 2018, 08:56:50 AM
Malzahn recruits as well as anybody we’ve ever had.  Doing it in the era of Saban is even more impressive.  

He just doesn’t know what to do with it when he gets it. 
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: bgreene on November 27, 2018, 09:14:12 AM
There are less than a handful of names that blow my skirt up given the current CFB environment.

I think it's a fool's errand to chase Saban without the attendant NCAA protections.

You point out the relative unknown quantities that came to coach at Auburn over the last 40 years...and they're the ones that laid the foundation for success with stability.

Chasing Saban got us Chiz (and the crystal) and Gus.

As backassward as our "process" looks, it hits more often than not if we disregard the Saban-effect.
I'm not saying we're chasing little nick. I am saying, that because of what he has done in turd town, TPB are awake to the fact that they can't go hire someone without a proven record.  They also know that this is the best conference and that we are in the best division of that conference, and if you want to win in said conference, you need a coach  that can win.  And yes, to win you have to be able to develop players and make them better.  Which brings me to my previous point, the new PTB want to win, and want a coach that can come in and take the talent we have and build with it.
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: GH2001 on November 27, 2018, 09:37:37 AM
Here's the rub - Auburn doesn't need to do something drastic to try and win an arms race with Alabama or Georgia. Fact is, Auburn attracts top talent. We just haven't done much with a lot of it. Need coaches who not only recruit but develop these guys. That brings stability and wins.
No. Not drastic. 

Proven.

Whether that’s Bill Clark or Bob Stoops. 

Chizik was not proven. Gus was not proven. 

Its time we hopped on this train and hire a good coach who is proven. Who can recruit and develop and be consistent. There are coaches out there who have a track record of these things. 
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: GH2001 on November 27, 2018, 09:38:53 AM
But can we really protect him from the Opelika Auburn News?
 Al.com was more my thought but yeah 
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: Buzz Killington on November 27, 2018, 09:50:49 AM
Bill Belichick Clark
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: GH2001 on November 27, 2018, 09:53:28 AM

We laugh at Clark but.....More proven than gus was.
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: bgreene on November 27, 2018, 09:56:29 AM
Are you serious Clark??
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: Buzz Killington on November 27, 2018, 09:59:48 AM
We laugh at Clark but.....More proven than gus was.
This Clark is more proven than Gus

(http://sportmascots.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/mlb-chicago-cubs-official-mascot-clark-the-cub.jpg)
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: GH2001 on November 27, 2018, 10:01:42 AM
This Clark is more proven than Gus

(http://sportmascots.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/mlb-chicago-cubs-official-mascot-clark-the-cub.jpg)
 Also flies the W more than gus. 
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: Godfather on November 27, 2018, 11:23:33 AM
Malzahn recruits as well as anybody we’ve ever had.  Doing it in the era of Saban is even more impressive. 

He just doesn’t know what to do with it when he gets it.
I question the players he brings in though.  We have had great recruiting classes with a lot of busts and attrition.

I think Malzahn's problem is two-fold lack of development and poor judge of talent.
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: Kaos on November 27, 2018, 11:37:59 AM
I question the players he brings in though.  We have had great recruiting classes with a lot of busts and attrition.

I think Malzahn's problem is two-fold lack of development and poor judge of talent.
I think a lot of the busts are his fault, though.  Either in preparing them for SEC play, figuring out where they best fit the program and so forth.  

I once blamed Chizik for his complete lack of awareness in a game in which Auburn was struggling offensively but Ben Tate was standing on the sidelines and occasionally riding a bike to stay loose.  Not injured, it was like the coaches just forgot he existed.  When I asked Chizik about it after the game (back when I had access) he was like "he was?" 

Now I blame that on Gus.  His offense. His packages.  And he plain forgot he had Tate standing over there while he trickery-doo'ed and doodle-dee-dahed.  

That's the kind of thing that makes me wonder if he's taking advantage of the talent he has or if he's just squandering it.  
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: Godfather on November 27, 2018, 11:41:10 AM
I think a lot of the busts are his fault, though.  Either in preparing them for SEC play, figuring out where they best fit the program and so forth. 

Totally agree
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: Snaggletiger on November 27, 2018, 12:09:18 PM
I don't think I'm going way out on that limb here to say that Jarrett Stidham has digressed.  To your points above, my question is why?  You can blame some of it on offensive line woes, sure.  But this guy is to the point that if option #1 is not there, the play is toast 96.433% of the time.  It's like he just can't pull the trigger.  Why is that?  Chip Lindsey is supposed to be the QB coach. He's had him for 2 years and this is the end result.  Does Lindsey not know how to correct problems with a QB?  Or is he the QB coach in name only and Stidham has labored under the watchful eye of one, Gustav Malzahn? How can a clear talent like Jarrett Stidham look like road kill after 2 years in this system?

That's why I was saying I'd like to be a fly on the wall if and when Lindsey got an interview somewhere else. 
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: bgreene on November 27, 2018, 12:41:48 PM
I don't think I'm going way out on that limb here to say that Jarrett Stidham has digressed.  To your points above, my question is why?  You can blame some of it on offensive line woes, sure.  But this guy is to the point that if option #1 is not there, the play is toast 96.433% of the time.  It's like he just can't pull the trigger.  Why is that?  Chip Lindsey is supposed to be the QB coach. He's had him for 2 years and this is the end result.  Does Lindsey not know how to correct problems with a QB?  Or is he the QB coach in name only and Stidham has labored under the watchful eye of one, Gustav Malzahn? How can a clear talent like Jarrett Stidham look like road kill after 2 years in this system?

That's why I was saying I'd like to be a fly on the wall if and when Lindsey got an interview somewhere else.

We moved on from the "fly on the wall".  That was so yesterday...get with it man!!
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: Snaggletiger on November 27, 2018, 12:51:05 PM
We moved on from the "fly on the wall".  That was so yesterday...get with it man!!
Fly in the ointment, Hans?
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: The Six on November 27, 2018, 01:22:57 PM
Fly in the ointment, Hans?
Come to the coast. We'll get together. Have a few laughs.
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: GH2001 on November 27, 2018, 01:34:37 PM
I think a lot of the busts are his fault, though.  Either in preparing them for SEC play, figuring out where they best fit the program and so forth. 

I once blamed Chizik for his complete lack of awareness in a game in which Auburn was struggling offensively but Ben Tate was standing on the sidelines and occasionally riding a bike to stay loose.  Not injured, it was like the coaches just forgot he existed.  When I asked Chizik about it after the game (back when I had access) he was like "he was?"

Now I blame that on Gus.  His offense. His packages.  And he plain forgot he had Tate standing over there while he trickery-doo'ed and doodle-dee-dahed. 

That's the kind of thing that makes me wonder if he's taking advantage of the talent he has or if he's just squandering it. 
I would agree on talent. Other major programs wanted most of these guys we have. It’s a lot of talent ranking wise. I think it’s mostly failure to develop and fit into the program. 
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: GH2001 on November 27, 2018, 01:36:38 PM
I don't think I'm going way out on that limb here to say that Jarrett Stidham has digressed.  To your points above, my question is why?  You can blame some of it on offensive line woes, sure.  But this guy is to the point that if option #1 is not there, the play is toast 96.433% of the time.  It's like he just can't pull the trigger.  Why is that?  Chip Lindsey is supposed to be the QB coach. He's had him for 2 years and this is the end result.  Does Lindsey not know how to correct problems with a QB?  Or is he the QB coach in name only and Stidham has labored under the watchful eye of one, Gustav Malzahn? How can a clear talent like Jarrett Stidham look like road kill after 2 years in this system?

That's why I was saying I'd like to be a fly on the wall if and when Lindsey got an interview somewhere else.

 I think the end of the write up from Jay G explains the chip/gus/scheme issues. 
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: bgreene on November 27, 2018, 01:40:22 PM
Tubs chimes in

https://www.al.com/auburnfootball/2018/11/jetgates-tommy-tuberville-on-bob-stoops-reports-this-is-typical-auburn.html#incart_river_index (https://www.al.com/auburnfootball/2018/11/jetgates-tommy-tuberville-on-bob-stoops-reports-this-is-typical-auburn.html#incart_river_index)
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: Saniflush on November 27, 2018, 02:13:02 PM
Tubs chimes in

https://www.al.com/auburnfootball/2018/11/jetgates-tommy-tuberville-on-bob-stoops-reports-this-is-typical-auburn.html#incart_river_index (https://www.al.com/auburnfootball/2018/11/jetgates-tommy-tuberville-on-bob-stoops-reports-this-is-typical-auburn.html#incart_river_index)
Jeff Brohm would not make me sad.
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: GH2001 on November 27, 2018, 02:18:49 PM
Jeff Brohm would not make me sad.
 Concur 
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: Buzz Killington on November 27, 2018, 02:21:37 PM
Tubs chimes in

https://www.al.com/auburnfootball/2018/11/jetgates-tommy-tuberville-on-bob-stoops-reports-this-is-typical-auburn.html#incart_river_index (https://www.al.com/auburnfootball/2018/11/jetgates-tommy-tuberville-on-bob-stoops-reports-this-is-typical-auburn.html#incart_river_index)
He's not wrong
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: GH2001 on November 27, 2018, 02:55:53 PM
Marcello says Gus is staying. So is Chip. Renegotiated Lowered buyout. 


And the fanbase just lost its collective hard on. 
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: Snaggletiger on November 27, 2018, 02:58:03 PM
He's not wrong
And I'll emphasize exactly where he's not wrong.  The part where he said Jeff Brohm would be a good hire....he won't beat Georgia or Bama, but he'd be a good hire.

And guess what?  In a few years, we'll all be tired of FUGA and Bama continuing to bash our heads in and wondering why we went out and hired a guy that had a stint at Western Kentucky and was .500 in 2 years at Purdue. 
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: bgreene on November 27, 2018, 03:13:03 PM
Shit!!!

Again, this is Leath trying to save his own ass

https://auburn.247sports.com/Article/Malzahn-close-to-accepting-changes-to-remain-at-Auburn-125449338/ (https://auburn.247sports.com/Article/Malzahn-close-to-accepting-changes-to-remain-at-Auburn-125449338/)
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: Kaos on November 27, 2018, 03:33:11 PM
We bunted.  

We are Auburn.  
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: Snaggletiger on November 27, 2018, 03:40:07 PM
Okay, Ill say this and I'm done with this issue.  The rumors, the gossip, projections, the article just posted above, verifies that, NOBODY KNOWS JACK SHIT about what's really going on.

Nothing going on.  Then it's Big Game Bob.  BGB denies.  Tuberville says Auburn is full of shit and Malzahn's a lonely man, on an island and no one will talk to him.  Turns out, according to the article, that Leath was negotiating a revised contract with Gus less than 24 hours after the Iron Bowl and lonely Gus has been on the recruiting trail since.

I guess Stoops will wind up holding his presser in Auburn some time Wednesday evening.

And BTW, Tommy T.  Go fuck yourself.  Auburn made you a very rich man and then wrote you a huge check to exit stage left after you mailed it in for 2 years. You complain about Jetgate but you and Jimmy didn't have a problem playing AU with the Arkansas thing every year for more money, didja?  
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: bgreene on November 27, 2018, 03:40:46 PM
We bunted. 

We are Auburn. 
You're right...bottom of the 9th, bases loaded with 2 out and a full count.
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: Godfather on November 27, 2018, 03:47:17 PM
We bunted. 

We are Auburn. 
yep.  The Auburn leaders continue to be dumbasses.
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: Godfather on November 27, 2018, 03:49:34 PM
Jeff Brohm would not make me sad.
See I like the name Bryan Harsin

Unfortunately the next Head Coach at Auburn after Gus will be....



Chip Lindsey
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: The Six on November 27, 2018, 04:01:43 PM
See I like the name Bryan Harsin

Unfortunately the next Head Coach at Auburn after Gus will be....



Chip Lindsey
I told a friend the other day that if USCw wanted to get really creative and go outside of their sandbox, Harsin would be the way to go. Like that guy a lot. 
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: AUTiger1 on November 27, 2018, 04:24:04 PM
Okay, Ill say this and I'm done with this issue.  The rumors, the gossip, projections, the article just posted above, verifies that, NOBODY KNOWS JACK SHIT about what's really going on.

Nothing going on.  Then it's Big Game Bob.  BGB denies.  Tuberville says Auburn is full of shit and Malzahn's a lonely man, on an island and no one will talk to him.  Turns out, according to the article, that Leath was negotiating a revised contract with Gus less than 24 hours after the Iron Bowl and lonely Gus has been on the recruiting trail since.

I guess Stoops will wind up holding his presser in Auburn some time Wednesday evening.

And BTW, Tommy T.  Go fuck yourself.  Auburn made you a very rich man and then wrote you a huge check to exit stage left after you mailed it in for 2 years. You complain about Jetgate but you and Jimmy didn't have a problem playing AU with the Arkansas thing every year for more money, didja? 
That part right there.  Spot on.
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: Buzz Killington on November 27, 2018, 04:30:28 PM
You're right...bottom of the 9th, bases loaded with 2 out and a full count.
And this guy at 3rd


(http://mlb.mlb.com/images/4/6/8/56985468/081413_melded_plays_v2_p8a2votg.gif)
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: GH2001 on November 27, 2018, 04:44:47 PM
Okay, Ill say this and I'm done with this issue.  The rumors, the gossip, projections, the article just posted above, verifies that, NOBODY KNOWS JACK SHIT about what's really going on.

Nothing going on.  Then it's Big Game Bob.  BGB denies.  Tuberville says Auburn is full of shit and Malzahn's a lonely man, on an island and no one will talk to him.  Turns out, according to the article, that Leath was negotiating a revised contract with Gus less than 24 hours after the Iron Bowl and lonely Gus has been on the recruiting trail since.

I guess Stoops will wind up holding his presser in Auburn some time Wednesday evening.

And BTW, Tommy T.  Go fuck yourself.  Auburn made you a very rich man and then wrote you a huge check to exit stage left after you mailed it in for 2 years. You complain about Jetgate but you and Jimmy didn't have a problem playing AU with the Arkansas thing every year for more money, didja? 

Tubs needs to STFU. Seriously. Auburn has one major problem.

And Gus is in this by his own doing. Yeah let’s feel sorry for he millionaire coach who underperforms. Get that shit out of here. 

Personally i think there was merit to conversations happening between auburn and 1-2 big coaches. Once it got out and leaked anything that was there got squashed ala les miles to Michigan with herbstreit. No coach wants their name by a covert search. In that regard I don’t blame stoops for denying the shit out of it. 
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: Godfather on November 27, 2018, 04:44:55 PM
We are so fucked, I expect this class to start bailing soon.
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: Buzz Killington on November 27, 2018, 04:52:51 PM
At least the skill position recruiting will equal the OL recruiting of the last few years now.
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: wesfau2 on November 27, 2018, 06:45:44 PM
Marcello says Gus is staying. So is Chip. Renegotiated Lowered buyout.


And the fanbase just lost its collective hard on.

Why the fuck renegotiate AND keep Lindsey?  Why do either, really?

Otherwise, Snags is killing the last page and a half or so.
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: GH2001 on November 27, 2018, 07:47:35 PM
Why the fuck renegotiate AND keep Lindsey?  Why do either, really?

Otherwise, Snags is killing the last page and a half or so.

You’re preaching to the choir wes. I have no idea what the point of this is other than to setup him up to fire next year for a lower cost. And if you are gus why in the flying fuck do you negotiate anything away from yourself? I don’t get any of this. 
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: Snaggletiger on November 27, 2018, 08:40:56 PM
You’re preaching to the choir wes. I have no idea what the point of this is other than to setup him up to fire next year for a lower cost. And if you are gus why in the flying fuck do you negotiate anything away from yourself? I don’t get any of this.
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Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: jmar on November 27, 2018, 11:10:15 PM
Damn it. I was all set for a sparkling 7-5 2019 until management negotiated us to 5-7. 
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: Jumbo on November 28, 2018, 03:13:18 AM
It’s a one big shit sandwich and we’re all gonna have to take a bite.
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: The Six on November 28, 2018, 07:37:08 AM
Auburn bet against itself. They thought no way would Gus accept all these conditions and he did. So now the university is stuck with him, he is stuck with his staff (unless they leave for other jobs), and we are stuck with a big old heaping of 5-7, 6-6, or 7-5 in 2019. 

Bo Nix should seriously reconsider his options.
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: bgreene on November 28, 2018, 09:18:19 AM
You’re preaching to the choir wes. I have no idea what the point of this is other than to setup him up to fire next year for a lower cost. And if you are gus why in the flying fuck do you negotiate anything away from yourself? I don’t get any of this.
Because he knows that his stock is crap, and ain't nobody looking to hire a coach that shows he thinks he's the know all end all of offense and is not willing to change anything about his crap offense!!!  F*** Gus!!!
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: GH2001 on November 28, 2018, 09:31:05 AM
Because he knows that his stock is crap, and ain't nobody looking to hire a coach that shows he thinks he's the know all end all of offense and is not willing to change anything about his crap offense!!!  F*** Gus!!!

But he didn’t have to negotiate anything. He could have told them the deal remains no changes. He had the leverage. Same end result will happen now except he will get less money. Is he that stupid?
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: wesfau2 on November 28, 2018, 09:32:15 AM
Is he that stupid?


It would appear so.

Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: jmar on November 28, 2018, 09:33:14 AM
Auburn bet against itself. They thought no way would Gus accept all these conditions and he did. So now the university is stuck with him, he is stuck with his staff (unless they leave for other jobs), and we are stuck with a big old heaping of 5-7, 6-6, or 7-5 in 2019.

Bo Nix should seriously reconsider his options.
Heard several Turd munchers on a radio show all in agreement that Nix is the best high school QB they've ever seen.

Hate the thought of this kid risking his future at the whim of lame duck Gus and co.




Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: jmar on November 28, 2018, 09:49:44 AM
Who the fuck allows an academic to alter terms on a multi million dollar contract? 
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: Buzz Killington on November 28, 2018, 09:50:21 AM
It’s a one big shoot sandwich and we’re all gonna have to take a bite.
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Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: AUTiger1 on November 28, 2018, 09:51:12 AM
Auburn bet against itself. They thought no way would Gus accept all these conditions and he did. So now the university is stuck with him, he is stuck with his staff (unless they leave for other jobs), and we are stuck with a big old heaping of 5-7, 6-6, or 7-5 in 2019.

Bo Nix should seriously reconsider his options.
Did he accept?  I haven't seen anything official except WBRC or whatever TV outlet report that. 247Sports is reporting it based on them. 

Nah, we won't go 5-7, 6-6 or 7-5 in 2019.  We'll make the playoffs because Auburn. 
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: Buzz Killington on November 28, 2018, 09:51:16 AM
Who the fudge allows an academic to alter terms on a multi million dollar contract?
The same ones that allow him to negotiate one in the first place.
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: jmar on November 28, 2018, 10:00:56 AM
The same ones that allow him to negotiate one in the first place.
No seriously. There's no place that anything like this could happen but Auburn. 
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: Godfather on November 28, 2018, 10:06:28 AM
But he didn’t have to negotiate anything. He could have told them the deal remains no changes. He had the leverage. Same end result will happen now except he will get less money. Is he that stupid?
I think he honestly believes the shit he spouts that we are that close.  Which is even fucking scarier to me.


Like I said yesterday we are fucked.
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: Kaos on November 28, 2018, 10:25:07 AM
Who the fuck allows an academic to alter terms on a multi million dollar contract?
Leath didn't do this.  

Harbert did.  
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: Buzz Killington on November 28, 2018, 10:25:46 AM
I think he honestly believes the shoot he spouts that we are that close.  Which is even fudgeing scarier to me.


Like I said yesterday we are fudgeed.
But Gus is dominating his Dojo
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: Godfather on November 28, 2018, 10:50:12 AM
Leath didn't do this. 

Harbert did. 
They both did, including yeller fella and the rest of the idiot BoT's
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: bgreene on November 28, 2018, 11:03:38 AM
But he didn’t have to negotiate anything. He could have told them the deal remains no changes. He had the leverage. Same end result will happen now except he will get less money. Is he that stupid?

I agree but in his mind he is an offensive guru that is not getting the recognition he should.  Therefor he knows his stock is crap right now and he wants to keep coaching to show how great he thinks he is.  The end result, reduced contract buyout.
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: jmar on November 28, 2018, 11:10:52 AM
I agree but in his mind he is an offensive guru that is not getting the recognition he should.  Therefor he knows his stock is crap right now and he wants to keep coaching to show how great he thinks he is.  The end result, reduced contract buyout.
True. Unlike others who get kicked to the curb our guy hasn't the personality to capture a tv gig.
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: Jumbo on November 28, 2018, 01:41:34 PM
Pay the man his money.
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: GH2001 on November 28, 2018, 01:50:53 PM
Did he accept?  I haven't seen anything official except WBRC or whatever TV outlet report that. 247Sports is reporting it based on them. 

Nah, we won't go 5-7, 6-6 or 7-5 in 2019.  We'll make the playoffs because Auburn.

Was wondering same. Maybe I missed it but haven’t seen a thing but that little nugget marcello dropped 22 hours ago. 
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: CCTAU on November 28, 2018, 02:11:52 PM
I dont see how this stops the hiring of Freeze. All he has to do is agree to the same salary as Lindsey!

Oh. And Paul Johnson is now available. We'd kill the SEC with his offense...

And somebody please tell GA Tech they can get Gus with no buyout!
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: jmar on November 28, 2018, 02:25:20 PM
I dont see how this stops the hiring of Freeze. All he has to do is agree to the same salary as Lindsey!

Oh. And Paul Johnson is now available. We'd kill the SEC with his offense...

And somebody please tell GA Tech they can get Gus with no buyout!
I thought all three.

Now I worry.:blink:

It's not that I necessarily want the triple option... just want the best motor graders it attracts. In fact I want us to track and offer the best that each school that runs this offense offers.

We make the playoffs with Freeze unfettered. 

And Gus would be a dandy transition for Tech.

Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: CCTAU on November 28, 2018, 02:50:48 PM
I thought all three.

Now I worry.:blink:

It's not that I necessarily want the triple option... just want the best motor graders it attracts. In fact I want us to track and offer the best that each school that runs this offense offers.

We make the playoffs with Freeze unfettered.

And Gus would be a dandy transition for Tech.
My Paul J post was in jest.

My daughter cheers for KSU. I watch that paint dry many a Saturday!
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: GH2001 on November 28, 2018, 03:15:23 PM
I dont see how this stops the hiring of Freeze. All he has to do is agree to the same salary as Lindsey!

Oh. And Paul Johnson is now available. We'd kill the SEC with his offense...

And somebody please tell GA Tech they can get Gus with no buyout!
 Don’t be so sure gt isn’t interested in him. Win win for everyone. 
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: CCTAU on November 28, 2018, 04:22:59 PM
Don’t be so sure gt isn’t interested in him. Win win for everyone.
If he runs his offense and sticks with an option QB, he could stay as relevant as Johnson. And it would be acceptable.
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: jmar on November 28, 2018, 04:27:53 PM
If he runs his offense and sticks with an option QB, he could stay as relevant as Johnson. And it would be acceptable.
We  lose Nix and possibly the greatest hookup forever in Flash, Williams et al.
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: The Six on November 28, 2018, 04:30:37 PM
We  lose Nix and possibly the greatest hookup forever in Flash, Williams et al.
Because Gus has shown he knows what to do with a QB who has a live arm and two game WRs this year. Sure. 
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: Godfather on November 28, 2018, 04:36:44 PM
We  lose Nix and possibly the greatest hookup forever in Flash, Williams et al.
Nix is Auburn legacy he comes regardless of who is coach I think.
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: CCTAU on November 28, 2018, 04:41:56 PM
We  lose Nix and possibly the greatest hookup forever in Flash, Williams et al.
Why would we lose Nix and Flash if Gus goes to GT?
Methinks you misread the post!
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: jmar on November 28, 2018, 05:02:32 PM
Why would we lose Nix and Flash if Gus goes to GT?
Methinks you misread the post!
We would not lose them , merely waste them through all eternity. Amen.
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: jmar on November 28, 2018, 05:17:42 PM
Give me Bob Stoops or give  me mediocrity. 
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: bottomfeeder on November 30, 2018, 07:59:46 PM
The same ones that allow him to negotiate one in the first place.
We're screwed.


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Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: CCTAU on November 30, 2018, 11:34:37 PM
Give me Bob Stoops or give  me mediocrity.
I give thee...mediocrity!
Title: Re: Home Run Hire?
Post by: jmar on December 01, 2018, 07:33:19 AM
I give thee...mediocrity!
Yeah well I asked for it.:rolleyes: