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Title: 'The old' Tony Franklin is back
Post by: Ogre on October 07, 2008, 04:32:39 PM
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`The old' Tony Franklin in charge at Auburn practice
Posted by Charles Goldberg, Birmingham News October 07, 2008 12:30 PM

Auburn wide receiver Rod Smith saw a rejuvenated, fired-up coach at practice Tuesday.

Offensive coordinator Tony Franklin was definitely in charge.

``He had a meeting with us before we went out to practice, he told us, `The old guy is back.' Whoever he was at Troy, he said he's back,'' Smith said. ``I guess we can expect different from him. The intensity he had at practice today was just crazy.''

Smith said Franklin, who usually watches team drills from the sidelines, ran pass routes to show receivers how it should be done. Franklin is coming back with a vengeance to inject life in his struggling spread offense.

``It's a lot that has changed,'' Smith said. ``Coach Franklin, just the tempo, just the way we practiced, was very hard today. The coaches were upbeat about everything. Every little thing you did wrong they were on you with quickness, especially Coach Franklin.''

``As far as what I heard, nobody's job is secure right now,'' Smith added.

 
``There was definitely a lot more yelling. The coaches are being a lot more demanding. They're expecting a lot more out of us.

``We felt like we were in two-a-days all over again. It's a good a thing. I definitely think we need that as a team to light a fire up under us. Something needs to be done to get this offense - just getting this whole team - back in the right direction. I think the coaches are doing a great job doing it.''

Several players said Auburn has cut back the playbook again in an effort to run plays more effectively.

Title: Re: 'The old' Tony Franklin is back
Post by: Godfather on October 07, 2008, 04:36:49 PM
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Several players said Auburn has cut back the playbook again in an effort to run plays more effectively.

I think that makes it 120% of the playbook we've cut. By the end of the year we will have one play that we run very....very well.
Title: Re: 'The old' Tony Franklin is back
Post by: Kaos on October 07, 2008, 05:46:16 PM
I'm calling bullshit. 

So far this year we've heard this same jibber-jabber every week.  Offensive line was really focused in practice.  Going to see a new offense. New urgency. Blah, blah, blah, blah, fruckety blah.  Just bullshit babble.
Title: Re: 'The old' Tony Franklin is back
Post by: The Prowler on October 07, 2008, 06:56:24 PM
Nope....no bullshit babble, KAOS....CTF was in the WR's faces telling and showing them how to Correctly run their routes, not CGK/CSE.  He was yelling at the RB's to sprint 20 extra yards after contact.  He was actually yelling at the Oline to finish their blocks, down field.  This is, pretty much, exactly what Auburn did last year, in the 9 practices, leading up to the Bowl game.

I'd rather have 8-10 plays that Auburn runs to fuckin' perfection, and yes, perfect practice leads to perfection....that's what CTF is now trying to do.  If you've seen the interview of Rod Smith after today's practice, you'll realize that it wasn't bullshit.  Not only did he look worn slap out, but he was actually giddy, in a way.  And, IMO, this was what CTT meant when he said that there would be some changes, starting on Sunday (this past Sunday).  From what I've heard, he had a Pow-Wow with the entire coaching staff.....then the offensive staff, on Sunday.

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"I definitely think we need that as a team to light a fire...under us."
Title: Re: 'The old' Tony Franklin is back
Post by: Townhallsavoy on October 07, 2008, 07:32:52 PM
Nope....no bullshit babble, KAOS....CTF was in the WR's faces telling and showing them how to Correctly run their routes, not CGK/CSE.  He was yelling at the RB's to sprint 20 extra yards after contact.  He was actually yelling at the Oline to finish their blocks, down field.  This is, pretty much, exactly what Auburn did last year, in the 9 practices, leading up to the Bowl game.

I'd rather have 8-10 plays that Auburn runs to fuckin' perfection, and yes, perfect practice leads to perfection....that's what CTF is now trying to do.  If you've seen the interview of Rod Smith after today's practice, you'll realize that it wasn't bullshit.  Not only did he look worn slap out, but he was actually giddy, in a way.  And, IMO, this was what CTT meant when he said that there would be some changes, starting on Sunday (this past Sunday).  From what I've heard, he had a Pow-Wow with the entire coaching staff.....then the offensive staff, on Sunday.


Where the fuck was all of this three months ago?  Why is Tony Franklin showing up in October? 

This is just as bad as the "I'm a dumbass" comment he made. 
Title: Re: 'The old' Tony Franklin is back
Post by: AUChizad on October 07, 2008, 07:52:22 PM
Where the fuck was all of this three months ago?  Why is Tony Franklin showing up in October? 

This is just as bad as the "I'm a dumbass" comment he made. 
Considering this is true...

I mean don't get me wrong. Better late than never and all that...but it sure would have been nice to do this BEFORE LOSING TO GODDAMN VANDERBILT FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY OR EVEN MY FUCKING FATHER'S ENTIRE LIFE.
Title: Re: 'The old' Tony Franklin is back
Post by: The Prowler on October 07, 2008, 07:53:07 PM
I'm guessing because he finally realized that the other offensive coaches weren't doing a God Damn thing.
Title: Re: 'The old' Tony Franklin is back
Post by: Townhallsavoy on October 07, 2008, 07:57:30 PM
I'm guessing because he finally realized that the other offensive coaches weren't doing a God Damn thing.

I think you've hit the nail in the coffin. 

Franklin or any other solid coordinator needs to recognize problems like that at the very start.  If a coach can't get the job done after a couple of weeks, you take over yourself.  At the end of that season, that coach should be dismissed to look for a team that suits his philosophy. 
Title: Re: 'The old' Tony Franklin is back
Post by: ggraf71 on October 07, 2008, 07:58:08 PM
Yeah, everybody's job is in jeopardy except CHRIS MOTHERFUCKING SLOW ASSED LIMP ARMED FRANKLIN-COCK-SUCKING DO NOTHING GODDAMN TODD.
Title: Re: 'The old' Tony Franklin is back
Post by: Snaggletiger on October 07, 2008, 08:02:42 PM
Okay, let's take the blame game out of it for a second and I'll tell you why this is actually very disturbing.  As THS just asked, where was all this 3 months ago?  Here's the impression I get from this, and it has to do with the perception that keeping the same good ole boys in place might be the problem.  

It seems that if he's just now down on the field, showing receivers how to run routes, showing linemen how to finish blocks etc.....that CTF was hired to implement his system, but the position coaches have continued to teach their own technique.  Problem?  Well, check this out.

On the "Other" board today, the deacon made a post quoting Franklin during a seminar while he was at Troy.  Franklin was asked about "Zone blocking" by the O-line and his reply was, "You'll have to ask Hugh Nall at Auburn.  We don't do that here."  I seem to recall that quote but one thing I do know is...Nall has the O-line zone blocking.  Anyone watch warm ups?  They go through a zone blocking drill over and over and over.

The fact that he's down on the field in the ears of WRs and linemen...teaching technique..tells me we may be hitting on something here.  If that's the case, let's get back to the blame game:

Why didn't Franklin make sure they were doing it his way from the start?

Why would Knox and Nall be coaching different technique than what the new offense calls for?

Why wouldn't Tommy Tuberville make sure everyone is doing it the way Franklin, the guy he hired, wants it done?
Title: Re: 'The old' Tony Franklin is back
Post by: AUTiger1 on October 07, 2008, 08:26:58 PM
Why didn't Franklin make sure they were doing it his way from the start?

Why would Knox and Nall be coaching different technique than what the new offense calls for?

Why wouldn't Tommy Tuberville make sure everyone is doing it the way Franklin, the guy he hired, wants it done?

I have no clue, I would like to know that myself.  Now the second question that you asked is interesting.  I asked on here the other day if part of the problems were that the coaches hated each other.  ssgaufan  said that the position coaches, since they have been coaching together so long that they liked each other, but may not like Franklin.  I still wonder if the mentality of the coaches was "Piss on Franklin, I don't like, I don't care what he says,  and I will do things the way I want to"....etc....etc....etc. 
Title: Re: 'The old' Tony Franklin is back
Post by: AWK on October 07, 2008, 09:29:32 PM
I have no clue, I would like to know that myself.  Now the second question that you asked is interesting.  I asked on here the other day if part of the problems were that the coaches hated each other.  ssgaufan  said that the position coaches, since they have been coaching together so long that they liked each other, but may not like Franklin.  I still wonder if the mentality of the coaches was "Piss on Franklin, I don't like, I don't care what he says,  and I will do things the way I want to"....etc....etc....etc. 
IF, that is the case, then Knox, Nall, etc... should be fired... I don't give a fuck if they are so close with Tuberville that they hold his dick while he takes a piss.
Title: Re: 'The old' Tony Franklin is back
Post by: Ranger12 on October 07, 2008, 09:40:41 PM
Yeah, everybody's job is in jeopardy except CHRIS MOTHERFUCKING SLOW ASSED LIMP ARMED FRANKLIN-COCK-SUCKING DO NOTHING GODDAMN TODD.
Yeah, because everybody knows that we would have beat Vanderbilt and LSU if he would not have taken a single snap. We all know that all our offensive problems is Chris Todd's fault and nobody else's, because he does coach all the other positions and call all the plays besides being the QB, right? Next time Chris goes over the tape with our secondary, I'll make sure to mention that he needs to do a better job in that area, since that must be his fault also.
Title: Re: 'The old' Tony Franklin is back
Post by: Pell City Tiger on October 07, 2008, 09:49:21 PM
Next time Chris goes over the tape with our secondary, I'll make sure to mention that he needs to do a better job in that area, since that must be his fault also.

You're involved with our secondary? Tell the safety that when the WR crosses to the middle of the field on a slant route, drift towards him a little more quickly. Less likely to be burned that way.

Tell Chris I said hi.
Title: Re: 'The old' Tony Franklin is back
Post by: ggraf71 on October 07, 2008, 10:31:32 PM
Yeah, because everybody knows that we would have beat Vanderbilt and LSU if he would not have taken a single snap. We all know that all our offensive problems is Chris Todd's fault and nobody else's, because he does coach all the other positions and call all the plays besides being the QB, right? Next time Chris goes over the tape with our secondary, I'll make sure to mention that he needs to do a better job in that area, since that must be his fault also.


Well, honestly, yeah it kinda is. If Todd is indeed in it for the team, maybe he could get over his ego and say, " Hey Coach, I'm not sure that I need to play -- what with my hurt arm and all. Maybe you could try another approach where I won't have to use my 80 year old grandma arm and maybe try something else with the offense, or maybe, hey coach, I suck donkeyballs at running the bootleg, well, I really pretty much suck at running in general, why don't you try that fine colored kid or maybe even the third stringer and quit being a fucking elitist asshole who is trying to pimp me over a more naturally talented quarterback.
Title: Re: 'The old' Tony Franklin is back
Post by: Lurking Tiger on October 07, 2008, 11:29:13 PM
Yeah, everybody's job is in jeopardy except CHRIS MOTHERFUCKING SLOW ASSED LIMP ARMED FRANKLIN-COCK-SUCKING DO NOTHING GODDAMN TODD.

Bash the coaches all you want. They get paid to take the heat. Lay off the players. You could have made your point without mentioning all the dick sucking and such.

I'll tell you something, it's not b/c the players read this stuff and take it to heart. They don't. They actually laugh at the interweb nerds who think they know anything about the team.

It's just poor form, my frien.
Title: Re: 'The old' Tony Franklin is back
Post by: Hogwally on October 07, 2008, 11:31:52 PM
You guys sound so much like hog fans two years ago I just crack up.  Are you sure your OC's name isn't Malzahn?  Brought in to run a spread, but stuck with his boss's assistants who still want to do things the old way?  Does the DC call Franklin "High School" at practice?
Title: Re: 'The old' Tony Franklin is back
Post by: The Prowler on October 07, 2008, 11:45:53 PM
You sure it wasn't my boy Tracy Rocker calling Malzahn "High School"?  I'd heard something about that a couple of years ago, and I'm pretty sure they'd said it was Coach Rocker that was calling him that, I could be wrong though.
Title: Re: 'The old' Tony Franklin is back
Post by: CCTAU on October 07, 2008, 11:48:07 PM
Well, honestly, yeah it kinda is. If Todd is indeed in it for the team, maybe he could get over his ego and say, " Hey Coach, I'm not sure that I need to play -- what with my hurt arm and all. Maybe you could try another approach where I won't have to use my 80 year old grandma arm and maybe try something else with the offense, or maybe, hey coach, I suck donkeyballs at running the bootleg, well, I really pretty much suck at running in general, why don't you try that fine colored kid or maybe even the third stringer and quit being a fucking elitist asshole who is trying to pimp me over a more naturally talented quarterback.

Ahh. Another asshat that knows nothing about the game of football except to open a beer on game day. Thanks for your shitty analysis.
Title: Re: 'The old' Tony Franklin is back
Post by: Kaos on October 08, 2008, 12:16:07 AM
Nope....no bullshit babble, KAOS....CTF was in the WR's faces telling and showing them how to Correctly run their routes, not CGK/CSE.  He was yelling at the RB's to sprint 20 extra yards after contact.  He was actually yelling at the Oline to finish their blocks, down field.  This is, pretty much, exactly what Auburn did last year, in the 9 practices, leading up to the Bowl game.

I'd rather have 8-10 plays that Auburn runs to fuckin' perfection, and yes, perfect practice leads to perfection....that's what CTF is now trying to do.  If you've seen the interview of Rod Smith after today's practice, you'll realize that it wasn't bullshit.  Not only did he look worn slap out, but he was actually giddy, in a way.  And, IMO, this was what CTT meant when he said that there would be some changes, starting on Sunday (this past Sunday).  From what I've heard, he had a Pow-Wow with the entire coaching staff.....then the offensive staff, on Sunday.


Yes, it's 100% bullshit babble. 

If this is true, then we have the dumbest offensive coordinator in the history of organized football. You get on their ass and  push them like crazy in the off-season. You work them until they can't work any longer in the spring. You drive them until they puke, you condition and perfect and teach and motivate during two-a-days. 

GOOD coaches use game preparation to polish some of the skills, work on drills and put in game-specific sets and formations. GOOD coaches use game week to prepare for opponents NOT to run the team ragged in basic fundamental drills.

What we have here is one GASBAG offensive coordinator who hasn't the first clue how to manage a team or a game.  Every single week he's going to do something different.  That is the hallmark of an ineffective manager. And I know. I've hired  (and fired) plenty of them over the years.
Title: Re: 'The old' Tony Franklin is back
Post by: Come Honor Face on October 08, 2008, 12:47:48 AM
Yes, it's 100% bullshit babble. 

If this is true, then we have the dumbest offensive coordinator in the history of organized football. You get on their ass and  push them like crazy in the off-season. You work them until they can't work any longer in the spring. You drive them until they puke, you condition and perfect and teach and motivate during two-a-days. 

GOOD coaches use game preparation to polish some of the skills, work on drills and put in game-specific sets and formations. GOOD coaches use game week to prepare for opponents NOT to run the team ragged in basic fundamental drills.

What we have here is one GASBAG offensive coordinator who hasn't the first clue how to manage a team or a game.  Every single week he's going to do something different.  That is the hallmark of an ineffective manager. And I know. I've hired  (and fired) plenty of them over the years.

are you hiring?  seriously? I need a better job.
Title: Re: 'The old' Tony Franklin is back
Post by: Kaos on October 08, 2008, 12:53:08 AM
are you hiring?  seriously? I need a better job.

We all do.  Jenny's rich.  I think we should just go ahead and create a welfare state here and beat the rush.  She should take whatever she makes, combine it with what you and I make and then split it all equally.  That's only fair.

Seriously, right now I don't have anything but that's always subject to change.  I'm thinking about hiring a replacement for me so i can go do something else and still have a fallback. 
Title: Re: 'The old' Tony Franklin is back
Post by: War Eagle!!! on October 08, 2008, 09:17:42 AM
Well, honestly, yeah it kinda is. If Todd is indeed in it for the team, maybe he could get over his ego and say, " Hey Coach, I'm not sure that I need to play -- what with my hurt arm and all. Maybe you could try another approach where I won't have to use my 80 year old grandma arm and maybe try something else with the offense, or maybe, hey coach, I suck donkeyballs at running the bootleg, well, I really pretty much suck at running in general, why don't you try that fine colored kid or maybe even the third stringer and quit being a fucking elitist asshole who is trying to pimp me over a more naturally talented quarterback.

That is just fucking stupid...
Title: Re: 'The old' Tony Franklin is back
Post by: AU_Tiger_2000 on October 08, 2008, 09:57:53 AM
Yeah, everybody's job is in jeopardy except CHRIS MOTHERFUCKING SLOW ASSED LIMP ARMED FRANKLIN-COCK-SUCKING DO NOTHING GODDAMN TODD.

Yeah because Burns just lit up Vandy.  I had my doubts earlier but I think at least one issue was resolved last Saturday, the offense's shortcomings are not totally Chris Todd's fault (though he isn't helping).
Title: Re: 'The old' Tony Franklin is back
Post by: Kaos on October 08, 2008, 11:25:42 AM
Yeah because Burns just lit up Vandy.  I had my doubts earlier but I think at least one issue was resolved last Saturday, the offense's shortcomings are not totally Chris Todd's fault (though he isn't helping).

ANNNNNNNND.... No.  You don't get it either. 

Burns was the annointed one.  It was his job to lose.  First game of the season he started. Was the only QB who did anything worth noting at all.  Skinned his shin and was effectively benched so Franklin could play "his" boy -- when it was obvious to most observers and plainly apparent to the players that Burns should be starting. 

Todd stinks it up.   Burns sits.  Todd stinks his ass off against Mississippi State. Burns sits.  Todd reeks like dead fish against LSU.  Burns sits.  Todd sucks like a Kirby against Tennessee. Burns largely sits -- and then when he IS put in the game, is forced to run play calls that completely negate his strengths.

I don't blame the kid for being confused. For pressing. For trying to do too much to win back favor from the asshole in the booth who's never going to see anything but the golden halo of Chris Todd. 

Had Burns started the season, been given the reins, allowed to get into a game rhythm from the get-go, you'd see an entirely different offense on the field right now.  You'd see one that had the capacity to challenge defenses (assuming you could get someone to call plays that appeared to have a clue). 

You're right, though.  Chris Todd isn't entirely the problem.  Chris Todd and his daddy Tony are the alpha and omega of the issues, though.   Begins with Todd, ends with Franklin.  Period.  Get rid of both of them and you'd see a miracle resurrection. 
Title: Re: 'The old' Tony Franklin is back
Post by: Ogre on October 08, 2008, 12:10:47 PM
I completely, 100% disagree. 

Should Todd have been brought on board?  No, not in my opinion.  While Franklin bringing Todd on board has caused a problem, I reiterate my belief that Tubs' core group of assistant coaches on offense never bought in to the system.  After all, Kodi hasn't been tearing it up when he's been in the game, either.  Spare me the 'he's had horrible plays called for him' bit.  He has had chances to produce and he's fallen flat on his face, too - see the Tennessee game.

I believe my stance is well documented.  Whether you want to admit it or not, Tubs' clique of coaches is average at best.  Their entire coaching lives they have been a smash mouth, 3 yards and a cloud of dust offense.  Tuberville decides to go in a completely different direction in an effort to put more points on the board, and decides the Spread is the way to do it. 

Unfortunately, his offensive coaches never really buy in to the idea.  Why else has Franklin been out at practice this week screaming at our line to finish their blocks?  Why else has Franklin been on the field teaching the WR's how to run the correct routes?  This should be the job of the position coaches.  Did anyone happen to catch any of the Troy game last night?  They are running the Tony Franklin Spread.  Did it look remotely like anything you've seen us do this year?  Hell no! 

When Tuberville came out and said that this wasn't the "Tony Franklin Offense," but it was the "Auburn Offense," it sent a chill up my spine.  Not the good kind, either.  Why the fuck would you hire the so-called spread guru, and not let him implement and run his scheme?  In what bizarro galaxy does that make sense? 

Has Todd stunk it up?  Absolutely. 

Should Burns have had an opportunity to start after the LaMo game?  You bet.

Is Franklin to blame for not seeing the problems sooner and doing something about it?  Yes and no.  The offensive assistants know that they don't answer to Franklin - they answer solely to Tuberville.  They know that if this experiment fails, they'll still have a job next year and we'll have another new OC at the helm.  They are complacent.  If anyone is to blame, it's Tuberville for not stating clearly to his crew that this is what we're going to run, and you aren't going to half-ass it. 

Franklin was doomed to fail from the moment he stepped on campus. 

Title: Re: 'The old' Tony Franklin is back
Post by: Jumbo on October 08, 2008, 12:49:20 PM
I completely, 100% disagree. 

Should Todd have been brought on board?  No, not in my opinion.  While Franklin bringing Todd on board has caused a problem, I reiterate my belief that Tubs' core group of assistant coaches on offense never bought in to the system.  After all, Kodi hasn't been tearing it up when he's been in the game, either.  Spare me the 'he's had horrible plays called for him' bit.  He has had chances to produce and he's fallen flat on his face, too - see the Tennessee game.

I believe my stance is well documented.  Whether you want to admit it or not, Tubs' clique of coaches is average at best.  Their entire coaching lives they have been a smash mouth, 3 yards and a cloud of dust offense.  Tuberville decides to go in a completely different direction in an effort to put more points on the board, and decides the Spread is the way to do it. 

Unfortunately, his offensive coaches never really buy in to the idea.  Why else has Franklin been out at practice this week screaming at our line to finish their blocks?  Why else has Franklin been on the field teaching the WR's how to run the correct routes?  This should be the job of the position coaches.  Did anyone happen to catch any of the Troy game last night?  They are running the Tony Franklin Spread.  Did it look remotely like anything you've seen us do this year?  Hell no! 

When Tuberville came out and said that this wasn't the "Tony Franklin Offense," but it was the "Auburn Offense," it sent a chill up my spine.  Not the good kind, either.  Why the fuck would you hire the so-called spread guru, and not let him implement and run his scheme?  In what bizarro galaxy does that make sense? 

Has Todd stunk it up?  Absolutely. 

Should Burns have had an opportunity to start after the LaMo game?  You bet.

Is Franklin to blame for not seeing the problems sooner and doing something about it?  Yes and no.  The offensive assistants know that they don't answer to Franklin - they answer solely to Tuberville.  They know that if this experiment fails, they'll still have a job next year and we'll have another new OC at the helm.  They are complacent.  If anyone is to blame, it's Tuberville for not stating clearly to his crew that this is what we're going to run, and you aren't going to half-ass it. 

Franklin was doomed to fail from the moment he stepped on campus. 


Post of the Year.
Title: Re: 'The old' Tony Franklin is back
Post by: AU_Tiger_2000 on October 08, 2008, 01:05:49 PM
ANNNNNNNND.... No.  You don't get it either. 

Burns was the annointed one.  It was his job to lose.  First game of the season he started. Was the only QB who did anything worth noting at all.  Skinned his shin and was effectively benched so Franklin could play "his" boy -- when it was obvious to most observers and plainly apparent to the players that Burns should be starting. 

Todd stinks it up.   Burns sits.  Todd stinks his ass off against Mississippi State. Burns sits.  Todd reeks like dead fish against LSU.  Burns sits.  Todd sucks like a Kirby against Tennessee. Burns largely sits -- and then when he IS put in the game, is forced to run play calls that completely negate his strengths.

I don't blame the kid for being confused. For pressing. For trying to do too much to win back favor from the asshole in the booth who's never going to see anything but the golden halo of Chris Todd. 

Had Burns started the season, been given the reins, allowed to get into a game rhythm from the get-go, you'd see an entirely different offense on the field right now.  You'd see one that had the capacity to challenge defenses (assuming you could get someone to call plays that appeared to have a clue). 

You're right, though.  Chris Todd isn't entirely the problem.  Chris Todd and his daddy Tony are the alpha and omega of the issues, though.   Begins with Todd, ends with Franklin.  Period.  Get rid of both of them and you'd see a miracle resurrection. 

Good points all, but I doubt we would see a miracle resurrection.  Get rid of Franklin and Todd and we are left with the same group (with the exception of Burns at QB) who finished 84th in scoring last season.  I will concede that 84 th last season was 24 ppg which is about 23.5 better than we are doing this year, but still not what it takes to get it done for what could be a top 10 team.
Title: Re: 'The old' Tony Franklin is back
Post by: AWK on October 08, 2008, 01:08:14 PM
Post of the Year.
Your knees are still sore I see.
Title: Re: 'The old' Tony Franklin is back
Post by: tiger88 on October 08, 2008, 01:09:10 PM
Well, I must say that I have to admit now that franklin fits this staff like a glove. It takes two losses and threat of imminent job loss to get him off his fucking ass to coach.

He's a CTT keeper for sure. Thank god he didn't wait any longer to bring back "the old franklin".
Title: Re: 'The old' Tony Franklin is back
Post by: Godfather on October 08, 2008, 03:05:57 PM
Did anyone happen to catch any of the Troy game last night?  They are running the Tony Franklin Spread.  Did it look remotely like anything you've seen us do this year?  Hell no! 

I call BS to that, Troy looked exactly like us.  My brother and I both watched the game and called each other to laugh at the fact that the offense was exactly the same.  On 2 different possesions they were stopped on the 5 yard line (one they ended up getting a TD because of a face mask penalty, and 2 they had to settle for a FG) I was not at all impressed with Troy's offense and it was run against 1-5 FAU.

                    TROY
1st Downs     20
Total Yards   360 
Passing         127 
Rushing         233 
Penalties       4-25
3rd Down Conversions 3-15 
4th Down Conversions 3-3 
Turnovers      1
Possession     32:13

Listen I have already stated why I believe that Burns hasn't succeeded and I don't believe that Todd is the entire reason we are failing...it takes a team to do that. However, Burns is the future so might as well let him play.
Title: Re: 'The old' Tony Franklin is back
Post by: Saniflush on October 08, 2008, 03:23:44 PM
However, Burns is the future so might as well let him play.

"The children are the future."

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Title: Re: 'The old' Tony Franklin is back
Post by: Jumbo on October 08, 2008, 03:30:34 PM
"The children are the future."

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Damn that boy good, lets hear it for Sexual Chocolate.
Title: Re: 'The old' Tony Franklin is back
Post by: Ogre on October 08, 2008, 03:43:15 PM
I call BS to that, Troy looked exactly like us.  My brother and I both watched the game and called each other to laugh at the fact that the offense was exactly the same.  On 2 different possesions they were stopped on the 5 yard line (one they ended up getting a TD because of a face mask penalty, and 2 they had to settle for a FG) I was not at all impressed with Troy's offense and it was run against 1-5 FAU.

                    TROY
1st Downs     20
Total Yards   360 
Passing         127 
Rushing         233 
Penalties       4-25
3rd Down Conversions 3-15 
4th Down Conversions 3-3 
Turnovers      1
Possession     32:13

Listen I have already stated why I believe that Burns hasn't succeeded and I don't believe that Todd is the entire reason we are failing...it takes a team to do that. However, Burns is the future so might as well let him play.

I'm not saying it didn't look similar.  I'm saying that Troy has the #25 offense in the nation, while Auburn is hovering around #104.  Troy promoted one of Franklin's old assistant coaches to OC, and they're still tearing it up this year.  Tony Franklin didn't just forget how to coach offense when he stepped foot on Auburn's campus. 

There is a huge disconnect somewhere, and you can't lay all the blame on Tony's feet.  Firing Tony Franklin while keeping the same offensive assistants would be the worst move Auburn could make this offseason.  What self-respecting OC would want to come to Auburn and coach in this environment? 
Title: Re: 'The old' Tony Franklin is back
Post by: AWK on October 08, 2008, 03:57:04 PM
I'm not saying it didn't look similar.  I'm saying that Troy has the #25 offense in the nation, while Auburn is hovering around #104.  Troy promoted one of Franklin's old assistant coaches to OC, and they're still tearing it up this year.  Tony Franklin didn't just forget how to coach offense when he stepped foot on Auburn's campus. 

There is a huge disconnect somewhere, and you can't lay all the blame on Tony's feet.  Firing Tony Franklin while keeping the same offensive assistants would be the worst move Auburn could make this offseason.  What self-respecting OC would want to come to Auburn and coach in this environment? 
Tony Franklin was fired today.  All of this is now a moot point.

http://www.oanow.com/oan/news/local/article/franklin_fired_as_auburn_offensive_coordinator/40169/ (http://www.oanow.com/oan/news/local/article/franklin_fired_as_auburn_offensive_coordinator/40169/)
Title: Re: 'The old' Tony Franklin is back
Post by: RWS on October 08, 2008, 04:51:34 PM
i know a DL on their "scout team" (he used to play at Foley, also a big AU fan) and he said the offense is pretty much exactly the same. they didn't bring in an outside coordinator, just promoted from within. he said he has no idea what the fuck AU is running, but its not anything like they are. a few similarities here and there, but he said it was like reading Greek.
Title: Re: 'The old' Tony Franklin is back
Post by: Godfather on October 08, 2008, 04:52:41 PM
Tony Franklin was fired today.  All of this is now a moot point.

http://www.oanow.com/oan/news/local/article/franklin_fired_as_auburn_offensive_coordinator/40169/ (http://www.oanow.com/oan/news/local/article/franklin_fired_as_auburn_offensive_coordinator/40169/)
So should we change this thread to "The Old" Tony Franklin is fired?
Title: Re: 'The old' Tony Franklin is back
Post by: AUTailgatingRules on October 08, 2008, 04:56:38 PM
So should we change this thread to "The Old" Tony Franklin is fired?

How about we change it to Tony Franklin, Unemployed again
Title: Re: 'The old' Tony Franklin is back
Post by: boartitz on October 08, 2008, 09:38:07 PM
Been there , done that. I hate it for yall.
I kinda liked our odds before this shakeup. Tubby don't want to lose this one. He really don't.
If Franklin gave him any doubts about losing to the homeboys , yeah , his ass is history.
We don't have a rivalry per se , but , Tubby takes this game personal.
The ones of yall that got locked in on the 19 point spread should be able to slake a few hillbillies with the dry neck.


duck
Title: Re: 'The old' Tony Franklin is back
Post by: AUChizad on October 09, 2008, 10:06:33 AM
You're right, though.  Chris Todd isn't entirely the problem.  Chris Todd and his daddy Tony are the alpha and omega of the issues, though.   Begins with Todd, ends with Franklin.  Period.  Get rid of both of them and you'd see a miracle resurrection. 

Firing Tony Franklin while keeping the same offensive assistants would be the worst move Auburn could make this offseason.  What self-respecting OC would want to come to Auburn and coach in this environment? 

What if they do it during the season, Brad?

I feel another point-counterpoint coming on. This one will be pretty easily quantifiable in about a month and a half. For the love of God, I'm pulling for Kevin this time.