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The Library => The SGA => Topic started by: Kaos on December 12, 2016, 01:18:24 PM
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Oh my GOD!! What if the Russians won Trump the election!!1!!?!! Oh my GOD!!!11! Democracy has done been corrupted!!!1!
Seriously?
I don't care if the "leaks" came from the Russians, the Jews, Pete Carroll, Emilio Estevez, Dennis Rodman, the Brady Bunch or Hong Kong Phooey.
Does the source alter in any way, shape or form the content? No.
I'm GLAD that somebody had the courage and audacity to expose that heinous bitch for what she was, to let people see a sliver of her reality and not what she pretended to be.
The real story here is that the American media was so entrenched in her campaign and invested in her success that it downplayed, ignored, obfuscated, falsified and glossed over her many atrocities.
I've wondered that if the reluctance to take her on was fear based.
Whatever the reason, it's pathetic that it took someone who had to flee from her wrath and who didn't fear her reprisals to bring a small portion of this information out.
So spare me the wailing and moaning.
She's awful and needs to go away.
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Oh my GOD!! What if the Russians won Trump the election!!1!!?!! Oh my GOD!!!11! Democracy has done been corrupted!!!1!
Seriously?
I don't care if the "leaks" came from the Russians, the Jews, Pete Carroll, Emilio Estevez, Dennis Rodman, the Brady Bunch or Hong Kong Phooey.
Does the source alter in any way, shape or form the content? No.
I'm GLAD that somebody had the courage and audacity to expose that heinous bitch for what she was, to let people see a sliver of her reality and not what she pretended to be.
The real story here is that the American media was so entrenched in her campaign and invested in her success that it downplayed, ignored, obfuscated, falsified and glossed over her many atrocities.
I've wondered that if the reluctance to take her on was fear based.
Whatever the reason, it's pathetic that it took someone who had to flee from her wrath and who didn't fear her reprisals to bring a small portion of this information out.
So spare me the wailing and moaning.
She's awful and needs to go away.
Playing the Hong Kong Phooey card is taking it a bit too far.
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Trump's tiny cock must make things easier for you when you open wide to swallow it all.
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Trump's tiny cock must make things easier for you when you open wide to swallow it all.
Yeah, but he has really small hands so it looks much bigger than it really is.
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Trump's tiny cock must make things easier for you when you open wide to swallow it all.
Just a question here. How do you know Trump has a tiny cock.
Just wondering
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Trump's tiny cock must make things easier for you when you open wide to swallow it all.
So the information exposed was false?
What difference, at this point, does it make?
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So the information exposed was false?
Not what I said.
What difference, at this point, does it make?
It means that the Russians most likely have more leverage over DT than HC. Odd that only one side was harmed by this intervention, no?
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I know a little Russian.
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It means that the Russians most likely have more leverage over DT than HC. Odd that only one side was harmed by this intervention, no?
Leverage? Don't be asinine.
They have no leverage. The only way there would be any leverage would be if Trump himself was complicit in the gathering and exchange. If he made some sort of deal with somebody to get the information out there in exchange for something -- which didn't happen.
If there was a calculated effort to boost Trump's candidacy, (and I don't buy it at all) it was only because Putin had no respect for Clinton (I believe she made disparaging personal comments about him) and assumed Trump would be more reasonable and pragmatic in negotiations.
I also don't believe shit or shinola coming from the Clinton/Obama cabal. They are liars of the highest order and will stop at nothing to retain control. This is just another pile of garbage from a butthurt pack of jackals.
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All it shows me is that national security has turned to shit with obummer in charge!
Still got the shills screaming. You lost, sthu!
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Not what I said.
It means that the Russians most likely have more leverage over DT than HC. Odd that only one side was harmed by this intervention, no?
What if I told you that the "Russian intervention"......exposed the democrats' intervention?
The dems have been playing on a very tilted playing field for a long while. Anything assange or the Russians may have exposed simply titled it back a little towards the middle. If the emails that were released don't show that to you, then you are not looking hard. And it's not anything to do with trump. He was simply the other guy running against her.
It's about someone or some group finally calling one side out on their horseshit and exposing it to the light of day for all to see. And being the narcissistic ego maniacs they are, they don't like being exposed this way. People have a right to know who these people are.
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If only a Presidential Candidate had warned us 4 years ago about how the Russians were our #1 geopolitical foe. Surely, had that happened, the Media or his opponent wouldn't have mocked him.
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If only a Presidential Candidate had warned us 4 years ago about how the Russians were our #1 geopolitical foe. Surely, had that happened, the Media or his opponent wouldn't have mocked him.
They are. When we have the wrong president in office dealing with them.
Do we want to coexist peacefully or do we want another Cold War? Some are hell bent on the latter and I don't know why. That's asinine.
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Can't we all just get along?
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"The election was hacked."
"Trump won because of Russian hackers"
"Russian hackers stole the election"
"Hackers interfered with election results"
Every bit of that is a false narrative now being pushed by the ass chapped media.
The election was not hacked, stolen or interfered with. Hillary Clinton was exposed for what she is. Period.
The funny thing is that even if none of that had ever happened, the result would still be the same.
She lost Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Ohio not because of anything revealed in the leaks, but because of her own idiotic campaign strategy (and that of the "progressive party") which ignored vast swaths of 'deplorable' Americans because they weren't as erudite, educated or sophisticated as she believed herself to be.
She lost because of who she is and how she plays in the forgotten middle America.
She lost because she was essentially running as old white lady Obama, and because the people in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Ohio had already seen that movie for the last eight years and their lives weren't getting any better.
She lost because she was (rightly) perceived as a win-at-all-costs political entity.
She lost because patriots didn't appreciate the lies she told in regard to Benghazi or her cavalier attitude about the deaths of US citizens as a result of her own incompetence.
She lost because she had no message that appealed to anyone outside her core.
She lost because she blithely assumed women would vote for her because she is a woman, blacks and latinos would vote for her because she is a democrat and that would be enough. And yet she had no real message that resonated even with those voting blocs.
The Russians didn't steal the election. The DNC and the DAC (Dumbass Clintons) threw it away.
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"The election was hacked."
"Trump won because of Russian hackers"
"Russian hackers stole the election"
"Hackers interfered with election results"
Every bit of that is a false narrative now being pushed by the ass chapped media.
The election was not hacked, stolen or interfered with. Hillary Clinton was exposed for what she is. Period.
The funny thing is that even if none of that had ever happened, the result would still be the same.
She lost Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Ohio not because of anything revealed in the leaks, but because of her own idiotic campaign strategy (and that of the "progressive party") which ignored vast swaths of 'deplorable' Americans because they weren't as erudite, educated or sophisticated as she believed herself to be.
She lost because of who she is and how she plays in the forgotten middle America.
She lost because she was essentially running as old white lady Obama, and because the people in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Ohio had already seen that movie for the last eight years and their lives weren't getting any better.
She lost because she was (rightly) perceived as a win-at-all-costs political entity.
She lost because patriots didn't appreciate the lies she told in regard to Benghazi or her cavalier attitude about the deaths of US citizens as a result of her own incompetence.
She lost because she had no message that appealed to anyone outside her core.
She lost because she blithely assumed women would vote for her because she is a woman, blacks and latinos would vote for her because she is a democrat and that would be enough. And yet she had no real message that resonated even with those voting blocs.
The Russians didn't steal the election. The DNC and the DAC (Dumbass Clintons) threw it away.
Exposing people for who they are and all of their corruption is also not stealing an election. It's informing a populous. No one here in the U.S. other than breitbart or drudge will touch a dem on this stuff. The dems have always had the Msm to do their digging for them on the GOP.
So if others outside this country want to, what's the issue?? It isn't like they inflated totals or did voter intimidation at polls. They simply exposed information about these people that unveiled how corrupt they were at their core. Why would a voter NOT want to know this stuff ?
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I'll give you guys this: when you beat up a strawman his ass isn't getting back up.
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I'll give you guys this: when you beat up a strawman his ass isn't getting back up.
I'm really tired of this. Whenever you (and one of the others on here) gets owned you start talking about straws and hominy.
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Can't we all just get along?
Probably not.
Wiki-leaks says that the info did not come from Russia. So far Wiki-leaks has been correct and obummer and dims have been caught lying. So I know who I believe.
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I'll give you guys this: when you beat up a strawman his ass isn't getting back up.
You are ok with hidden corruption?
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You are ok with hidden corruption?
Fuck's sake.
Not even remotely what I'm saying.
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Fuck's sake.
Not even remotely what I'm saying.
And what I'm saying is most of these people (politicians and media folks) are bitching because they got caught. That's the crux of ALL of this. They got beat at their own game. The product we're seeing - whether it's a recount, or assange, or Putin - is all the reaction of some maniacal spoiled brats who didn't get their way. And to that there is nothing illegal about it or show stopping. But the narrative is being driven that direction.
Alls I'm sayin counselor. If I misinterpreted your response my apologies.
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Anybody seen that Snowden flick? I wondered how Robin did as Snowman. I know Divergent chick is naked in it. Haven't heard much else.
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And what I'm saying is most of these people (politicians and media folks) are bitching because they got caught. That's the crux of ALL of this. They got beat at their own game. The product we're seeing - whether it's a recount, or assange, or Putin - is all the reaction of some maniacal spoiled brats who didn't get their way. And to that there is nothing illegal about it or show stopping. But the narrative is being driven that direction.
Alls I'm sayin counselor. If I misinterpreted your response my apologies.
What game? The dims are so trustworthy!
“There’s always going to be small problems to some degree, but we didn’t expect the degree of problem we saw in Detroit. This isn’t normal,†said Krista Haroutunian, chairwoman of the Wayne County Board of Canvassers.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/12/voter-fraud-michigan-recount-uncovers-many-votes-37-detroit-precincts/
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What if the Department of Homeland Security tried to hack voter machines in Georgia?
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/12/no_author/attempted-hack-us-voter-database/
Attempted Hack of US Voter Database Traced to IP Address Used by US Government
An attempted hack of a voter database in Georgia was traced to an IP address used by the Department of Homeland Security. We blame Russia, of course.
What if, like the Romans, our own fucking government causes ALL of the problems and blames others?
WTF?
the CIA has concluded that “Russian operatives covertly interfered in the election campaign in an attempt to ensure the Republican candidate’s victory.â€
If the CIA is actually stupid enough to believe this, the US is without a competent intelligence agency. Of course, the CIA didn’t say and doesn’t believe any such thing. The fake news stories in the presstitute media are all sourced to unnamed officials. Former British ambassador Craig Murray described the reports accurately: “bullshit.â€
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/12/paul-craig-roberts/youre-peace/
What if our own government wants endless global conflict and expects us to pay for it ALL?
Peter Schiff, president of Euro-Pacific Capital, has written several books on the state of the financial system. His focus is on the long-term consequences of years of government and central bank manipulation of fiat currencies:
“Never in the course of history has a country’s economy failed because its currency was too strong…The view that a weak currency is desirable is so absurd that it could only have been devised to serve the political agenda of those engineering the descent. And while I don’t blame policy makers from spinning self-serving fairy tales (that is their nature), I find extreme fault with those hypnotized members of the media and the financial establishment who have checked their reason at the door. A currency war is different from any other kind of conventional war in that the object is to kill oneself. The nation that succeeds in inflicting the most damage on its own citizens wins the war. †[emphasis added]
Sacrificing the stability of national currencies has been used as a way prop up failing private institutions around the globe. By kicking the can down the road yet another time, bureaucrats and bankers sealed the fate of the financial system as we know it.
A currency war has been declared, ensuring that the U.S. dollar, Euro, Yen and many other state currencies are linked in a suicide pact. Printing money and endlessly expanding debt are policies that will erode the underlying value of every dollar in people’s wallets, as well as digital funds in their bank accounts. This new war operates in the shadows of the public’s ignorance, slowly undermining social and economic stability through inflation and other consequences of central control. As the Federal Reserve leads the rest of the world’s central banks down the rabbit hole, the vortex it’s creating will affect everyone in the globalized economy.
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And what I'm saying is most of these people (politicians and media folks) are bitching because they got caught. That's the crux of ALL of this. They got beat at their own game. The product we're seeing - whether it's a recount, or assange, or Putin - is all the reaction of some maniacal spoiled brats who didn't get their way. And to that there is nothing illegal about it or show stopping. But the narrative is being driven that direction.
Alls I'm sayin counselor. If I misinterpreted your response my apologies.
McCain and Schumer were on a news panel Monday morning discussing the Russians hacking into BOTH RNC and DNC networks.
I'm not saying the shit that was spread/released vis a vis Clinton (the "emails") was false.
I'm not saying I endorse/condone any of the shit uncovered in the "emails."
I'm not whining/crying that "my side" (spit) lost.
I'm saying that it is exceedingly odd that a foreign power with dirt on BOTH parties chose to disseminate information damaging only one of the two candidates.
I'm saying that the intertwining of Trump's business interests with the Russians combined with their peek into the politics that put him in power should be troubling to everyone.
I'm saying that Putin/Kremlin has Trump in a compromised position and this should be troubling to everyone.
Now, if some of you guys are done shadow-boxing my point, pummeling arguments that I never made and generally being the reactionaries that we've all come to know and...well, know...then we can dial back the assumptions and chat about it.
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McCain and Schumer were on a news panel Monday morning discussing the Russians hacking into BOTH RNC and DNC networks.
I'm not saying the shit that was spread/released vis a vis Clinton (the "emails") was false.
I'm not saying I endorse/condone any of the shit uncovered in the "emails."
I'm not whining/crying that "my side" (spit) lost.
I'm saying that it is exceedingly odd that a foreign power with dirt on BOTH parties chose to disseminate information damaging only one of the two candidates.
I'm saying that the intertwining of Trump's business interests with the Russians combined with their peek into the politics that put him in power should be troubling to everyone.
I'm saying that Putin/Kremlin has Trump in a compromised position and this should be troubling to everyone.
Now, if some of you guys are done shadow-boxing my point, pummeling arguments that I never made and generally being the reactionaries that we've all come to know and...well, know...then we can dial back the assumptions and chat about it.
I'm saying you're wrong.
There's nothing to talk about, Keith Behar.
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I'm saying you're wrong.
There's nothing to talk about, Keith Behar.
O.
K.
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I'm concerned about the hacking and the potential of blackmail with any and all politicians. I am glad that the Dem emails were discovered, I just hate it took Russian hackers. And didn't wiki say info did not come from Russian hackers?
Regardless, this and similar cyber crime is a major threat to our security. Probably more likely than a North Korea nuke attack but could be as devastating.
This should be a bipartisan concern and not just something to make baseless accusations about Trump stealing the election.
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I'm concerned about the hacking and the potential of blackmail with any and all politicians. I am glad that the Dem emails were discovered, I just hate it took Russian hackers. And didn't wiki say info did not come from Russian hackers?
Regardless, this and similar cyber crime is a major threat to our security. Probably more likely than a North Korea nuke attack but could be as devastating.
This should be a bipartisan concern and not just something to make baseless accusations about Trump stealing the election.
The "Russian hacker" line is Clinton camp bullshit reinforced by a politicized Obama-led federal government.
The mission is to delegitimize Trump.
And you are swallowing the bait.
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The "Russian hacker" line is Clinton camp bullshit reinforced by a politicized Obama-led federal government.
The mission is to delegitimize Trump.
And you are swallowing the bait.
Whether this instance proves to be Russian hacking is immaterial to me. It may have influenced the election. It may not have. Regardless, the story wasn't fiction with Hillary's unsecured server and influence with party politics.
The hacking is still rampant and we're not prepared.
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Whether this instance proves to be Russian hacking is immaterial to me. It may have influenced the election. It may not have. Regardless, the story wasn't fiction with Hillary's unsecured server and influence with party politics.
The hacking is still rampant and we're not prepared.
Agree that data security is a myth.
But "the Russians done stolt this hear elecSHUN" is unabashed nonsense.
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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/us-officials-putin-personally-involved-in-us-election-hack/ar-AAlzZQI?ocid=sf
If proven true, and it's sounding like it is, this is a problem...a big fucking problem. Yes, there is corruption in the DNC and it was somewhat brought to light. But to sit there and think that there isn't corruption in the RNC is just plain ignorant and, in this case, dangerous. If the tables were turned and Putin had a vendetta against Trump and government agencies stated that Putin had involvement in tampering with our Presidential election in favor of Clinton...everyone that's trying to whitewash it, right now, would all be clamoring for blood. Therefore, it is wrong on many levels.
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LOL. Trump wasn't exactly RNC!
And any dirt on Trump was released...
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Is this one of those fake news sites?
http://www.salon.com/2016/12/13/report-donald-trumps-campaign-is-threatening-political-reprisal-for-defecting-republican-electors/
If true, is that against the law?
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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/us-officials-putin-personally-involved-in-us-election-hack/ar-AAlzZQI?ocid=sf
If proven true, and it's sounding like it is, this is a problem...a big fucking problem. Yes, there is corruption in the DNC and it was somewhat brought to light. But to sit there and think that there isn't corruption in the RNC is just plain ignorant and, in this case, dangerous. If the tables were turned and Putin had a vendetta against Trump and government agencies stated that Putin had involvement in tampering with our Presidential election in favor of Clinton...everyone that's trying to whitewash it, right now, would all be clamoring for blood. Therefore, it is wrong on many levels.
That is the bullshit.
No "tampering."
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Is this one of those fake news sites?
http://www.salon.com/2016/12/13/report-donald-trumps-campaign-is-threatening-political-reprisal-for-defecting-republican-electors/
If true, is that against the law?
Yes. No.
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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/us-officials-putin-personally-involved-in-us-election-hack/ar-AAlzZQI?ocid=sf
If proven true, and it's sounding like it is, this is a problem...a big fucking problem. Yes, there is corruption in the DNC and it was somewhat brought to light. But to sit there and think that there isn't corruption in the RNC is just plain ignorant and, in this case, dangerous. If the tables were turned and Putin had a vendetta against Trump and government agencies stated that Putin had involvement in tampering with our Presidential election in favor of Clinton...everyone that's trying to whitewash it, right now, would all be clamoring for blood. Therefore, it is wrong on many levels.
I think I am gonna need your definition of "tampering" in this instance, cause if we are saying that tampering constitutes favoring one side over the other then the first ones to the hangman's noose should be our own media.
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I think I am gonna need your definition of "tampering" in this instance, cause if we are saying that tampering constitutes favoring one side over the other then the first ones to the hangman's noose should be our own media.
It's amazing how these morons were singing the praises of our secure electoral process when it appeared the bitch was running away with the election. The nefarious Russians got drug into it only after Trump beat her ass.
I love this shit. These ignorant assholes couldn't do more to guarantee another ass whipping in the next election than what they're doing right now.
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It's amazing how these morons were singing the praises of our secure electoral process when it appeared the bitch was running away with the election. The nefarious Russians got drug into it only after Trump beat her ass.
I love this shit. These ignorant assholes couldn't do more to guarantee another ass whipping in the next election than what they're doing right now.
Putin and Russia's involvement was brought up a few times before election day.
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Putin and Russia's involvement was brought up a few times before election day.
Garbage then. Garbage now.
Excuses from liars.
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Garbage then. Garbage now.
Excuses from liars.
I concur. The left has butthurt for eternity. It started with the implosion of they're own party. Now, it's morphed into using the intelligence agencies and DoD as cannon fodder in an attempt to propagandize the unwashed masses. Fuck them and their ilk.
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Ain't gonna' lie, this topic has held about the same amount of my interest as the Hillary email thingy. Which means that on a scale of 1-10, I'd give it a D+. Therefore, I have not and probably will never do any research on it. Having said that, since it appears to be becoming a hotter topic each day, can someone post a brief summary of what the hell it's all about?
The Russians hacked emails? Whose emails did they hack?
They influenced the election? How? Did they alter emails? How would Russia hacking emails or Tweeters or Bookfaces or Instagrounds or Snaptwat have any influence on how somebody voted?
I'm not asking this as if I'm insinuating one side or the other (Dems/Repugs) is or should be butthurt. I get other countries hacking shit as a problem for National security. But, can someone splain their effect on the election?
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Ain't gonna' lie, this topic has held about the same amount of my interest as the Hillary email thingy. Which means that on a scale of 1-10, I'd give it a D+. Therefore, I have not and probably will never do any research on it. Having said that, since it appears to be becoming a hotter topic each day, can someone post a brief summary of what the hell it's all about?
The Russians hacked emails? Whose emails did they hack?
They influenced the election? How? Did they alter emails? How would Russia hacking emails or Tweeters or Bookfaces or Instagrounds or Snaptwat have any influence on how somebody voted?
I'm not asking this as if I'm insinuating one side or the other (Dems/Repugs) is or should be butthurt. I get other countries hacking shoot as a problem for National security. But, can someone splain their effect on the election?
You know so little. You dumb man. We own country and Trump is ours. We hate black president and all the sissy fags that support Hillary, so we steal election. Dumbass.
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You know so little. You dumb man. We own country and Trump is ours. We hate black president and all the sissy fags that support Hillary, so we steal election. Dumbass.
Rusev!!!
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You know so little. You dumb man. We own country and Trump is ours. We hate black president and all the sissy fags that support Hillary, so we steal election. Dumbass.
That's Sgt. Donny Donowitz. You might know him better by his nickname: "The Bear Jew". Now, if you heard of Aldo the Apache, you gotta have heard of the Bear Jew. He bashes Russians' brains in with a baseball bat is what he does. Now, Vlad, I'm gonna ask you one last goddamn time, if you still respectfully refuse, I'm callin' the Bear Jew over. He's gonna take that big bat of his, and he's gonna beat your ass to death with it. Now, take your Chicken Kiev lickin' finger and show me what you hacked.
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That's Sgt. Donny Donowitz. You might know him better by his nickname: "The Bear Jew". Now, if you heard of Aldo the Apache, you gotta have heard of the Bear Jew. He bashes Russians' brains in with a baseball bat is what he does. Now, Vlad, I'm gonna ask you one last goddamn time, if you still respectfully refuse, I'm callin' the Bear Jew over. He's gonna take that big bat of his, and he's gonna beat your ass to death with it. Now, take your Chicken Kiev lickin' finger and show me what you hacked.
All you gotta do is tune into NPR. They have a total breakdown of the 30,000 emails the Ruskies sent and the one that was opened causing this shit storm. December 19, 2016 is the day that will live in emphamy.
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You know so little. You dumb man. We own country and Trump is ours. We hate black president and all the sissy fags that support Hillary, so we steal election. Dumbass.
:thumsup:
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Well one head has already rolled...others might be on the block.
Trump campaign aides had repeated contacts with Russian Intelligence, per New York Times.
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/us/politics/russia-intelligence-communications-trump.html?smid=fb-share&referer=http://m.facebook.com/
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Ain't gonna' lie, this topic has held about the same amount of my interest as the Hillary email thingy. Which means that on a scale of 1-10, I'd give it a D+. Therefore, I have not and probably will never do any research on it. Having said that, since it appears to be becoming a hotter topic each day, can someone post a brief summary of what the hell it's all about?
The Russians hacked emails? Whose emails did they hack?
They influenced the election? How? Did they alter emails? How would Russia hacking emails or Tweeters or Bookfaces or Instagrounds or Snaptwat have any influence on how somebody voted?
I'm not asking this as if I'm insinuating one side or the other (Dems/Repugs) is or should be butthurt. I get other countries hacking shit as a problem for National security. But, can someone splain their effect on the election?
Cliffs: When people say Russians "tampered" with the election, they don't mean rigged polling machines or fabricated any emails. They mean they actively influenced public opinion.
The first iteration of "Fake News", before it got appropriated (rightly IMO) back at the "mainstream media" for shoddy fact checking, was a term specifically used for sites that propagated patently false, intentionally misleading "news" about Hillary Clinton. Sites like ABCnew.com.co or CNN.website that are meant to mimic real news sites but had stories about Hillary Clinton engaging in criminal activity, being on her death bed, etc. While I'm all on board with dishing the "Fake News" moniker back at CNN etc. when they get important facts wrong even if to push an agenda, it's a wholly different phenomenon than these completely made up, intentionally deceiving websites.
The vast majority of those sites were out of Russia (https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/russian-propaganda-effort-helped-spread-fake-news-during-election-experts-say/2016/11/24/793903b6-8a40-4ca9-b712-716af66098fe_story.html?utm_term=.bcfbc03d55d7). Knowing the oligarchy that Russia is, it is reasonable to assume Putin had a hand in that.
The second thing is the hacked DNC emails. Two things there. One, I was originally highly skeptical at the validity of claims that we knew for sure the hacks originated from the Russian government. However, every day recently it is becoming clearer and clearer that we do have evidence that this is true. Does it mean that what the Podesta emails brought to light was untrue or invalid? No. The stuff in the emails was real (outside of some of the disjointed Pizzagate theories invented from crazy InfoWars readers) and the source of the leaks are irrelevant in that regard. But they are kind of relevant in that we should be concerned that the Russian government "interfered" with our election in that way. Why were they motivated to pick a side? And even if you think they preferred Trump to Hillary that much for completely innocuous reasons, is it ethical for a foreign government to interfere in that way?
And now, with the recent news with Flynn, we now know that Trump's campaign was actively communicating with Russian Intelligence AND lied about it to American Intelligence. That is a big problem.
We'll see what comes of all of this, but that is the Cliffs of what is going on.
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Cliffs: When people say Russians "tampered" with the election, they don't mean rigged polling machines or fabricated any emails. They mean they actively influenced public opinion.
The first iteration of "Fake News", before it got appropriated (rightly IMO) back at the "mainstream media" for shoddy fact checking, was a term specifically used for sites that propagated patently false, intentionally misleading "news" about Hillary Clinton. Sites like ABCnew.com.co or CNN.website that are meant to mimic real news sites but had stories about Hillary Clinton engaging in criminal activity, being on her death bed, etc. While I'm all on board with dishing the "Fake News" moniker back at CNN etc. when they get important facts wrong even if to push an agenda, it's a wholly different phenomenon than these completely made up, intentionally deceiving websites.
The vast majority of those sites were out of Russia (https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/russian-propaganda-effort-helped-spread-fake-news-during-election-experts-say/2016/11/24/793903b6-8a40-4ca9-b712-716af66098fe_story.html?utm_term=.bcfbc03d55d7). Knowing the oligarchy that Russia is, it is reasonable to assume Putin had a hand in that.
The second thing is the hacked DNC emails. Two things there. One, I was highly skeptical at the validity of claims that we knew for sure the hacks originated from the Russian government. Every day it is becoming clearer and clearer that we do have evidence that did. Does it mean that what the Podesta emails brought to light was untrue or invalid? No. The stuff in the emails was real (outside of some of the disjointed Pizzagate theories invented from crazy InfoWars readers) and the source of the leaks are irrelevant in that regard. But they are kind of relevant in that we should be concerned that the Russian government "interfered" with our election in that way. Why were they motivated to pick a side? And even if you think they preferred Trump to Hillary that much for completely innocuous reasons, is it ethical for a foreign government to interfere in that way?
And now, with the recent news with Flynn, we now know that Trump's campaign was actively communicating with Russian Intelligence AND lied about it to American Intelligence. That is a big problem.
We'll see what comes of all of this, but that is the Cliffs of what is going on.
You do realize that this is media-stirred bullshit don't you?
It's a faux controversy ginned up by an media cabal outraged because their pet Islamo-Candidate didn't win.
As president-elect I have no problem with him or his staff communicating with foreign entities including Russia. I fully expect that in that conversation, the Russians would be concerned about the nonsensical and politically motivated "sanctions" that Obama threw as a smokescreen.
I also expect that Trump and his transition team would have zero confidence in any of Obama's sycophants in the various organizations including the FBI and the "intelligence" community. Until he knew who he could trust, I don't blame him for keeping information close to the vest.
It's patently obvious at this point that the "intelligence community" cannot be trusted. There is a clear political agenda in place.
To me? That's far more disturbing and concerning than Flynn being asked whether Obama's horseshit "sanctions" were going to be kept in place or if we could get back to the business of allying against the threat of radical Islam.
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Trump knew about the conversations, he directed them. There'll likely be more Trump people fall on the sword.
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Trump knew about the conversations, he directed them. There'll likely be more Trump people fall on the sword.
Ohh?
And as chad said last week - pushes all chips to the middle of the table....
Do tell.
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Trump knew about the conversations, he directed them. There'll likely be more Trump people fall on the sword.
IDGAF if he did.
It's reached the point to where he should forget about the wall on the border and build a "fuck YOU" wall around the White House.
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It's patently obvious at this point that the "intelligence community" cannot be trusted. There is a clear political agenda in place.
This is was scares me.
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IDGAF if he did.
It's reached the point to where he should forget about the wall on the border and build a "fuck YOU" wall around the White House.
So you're saying that you want a Dictator?
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Ohh?
And as chad said last week - pushes all chips to the middle of the table....
Do tell.
He's really close to Vladimir Putin and he has business in Russia...not that hard to see that he would want them to know that previous sanctions would be revisited and likely lifted.
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So you're saying that you want a Dictator?
If it prevents the libtards and Islamo-buddy regime we barely got rid of in 2016? If it prevents smug morons like Bill Maher from pontificating as if they know something? I'd prefer that to them, yes.
But Trump is no dictator. He's simply the man in charge, used to getting his way.
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He's really close to Vladimir Putin and he has business in Russia...not that hard to see that he would want them to know that previous sanctions would be revisited and likely lifted.
And I do not give one single fuck in a rain bucket if that was the case. Not one.
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And I do not give one single fuck in a rain bucket if that was the case. Not one.
Me neither!
It's better to be friendly with the next major super power until
You can get back on top.
When your pathetically feminine predecessor along with his feminine followers have run your country into the dirt, you don't pick a fight with the biggest kid in the room.
As for communications with Russia, I'd much rather Trumps people communicate with them than what obummer's people did with talking to Iran and hamas.
Funny how that never bothered his feminine followers!
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:facepalm:
Me neither!
It's better to be friendly with the next major super power until
You can get back o[size=78%]n top.[/size]
[size=78%]When your pathetically feminine predecessor along with his feminine followers have run your country into the dirt, you don't pick a fight with the biggest kid in the room.[/size]
As for communications with Russia, I'd much rather Trumps
[/size]People communicate with them than what obummer's people did with talking to Iran and hamas.
[/size][size=78%]Funny how that never bothered his feminine followers![/size][size=78%]
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Trump's adminstration is advised about contacts between Russia and some inside his staff.
"They possibly originated with a Russian investigator or groups that wanted Hillary Clinton to win the election." - Kellyanne Conway on NBC's "Late Night"
"FAKE NEWS - TOTAL POLITICAL WITCH HUNT." - Trump tweet
"COMPLETE AND TOTAL FABRICATION, UTTER NONSENSE! Very unfair!" - Trump tweet
"Intelligence agencies should never have allowed this fake news to "leak" into the public. One last shot at me. Are we living in Nazi Germany?" - Trump tweet
Mike Flynn resigns due to investigation into his conversations with Russian Intelligence.
"I don't care about that, we're going to find out who leaked the information." - Chairman of House Intelligence Committee
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Trump's adminstration is advised about contacts between Russia and some inside his staff.
"They possibly originated with a Russian investigator or groups that wanted Hillary Clinton to win the election." - Kellyanne Conway on NBC's "Late Night"
"FAKE NEWS - TOTAL POLITICAL WITCH HUNT." - Trump tweet
"COMPLETE AND TOTAL FABRICATION, UTTER NONSENSE! Very unfair!" - Trump tweet
"Intelligence agencies should never have allowed this fake news to "leak" into the public. One last shot at me. Are we living in Nazi Germany?" - Trump tweet
Mike Flynn resigns due to investigation into his conversations with Russian Intelligence.
"I don't care about that, we're going to find out who leaked the information." - Chairman of House Intelligence Committee
Fake News.
Your timing is completely off.
Your sense of irony is also missing, considering Hillary in the middle of the debate said the content of her emails and the lies she told were irrelevant, the only thing that mattered was how they were obtained. Bitch.
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Fake News.
Your timing is completely off.
Your sense of irony is also missing, considering Hillary in the middle of the debate said the content of her emails and the lies she told were irrelevant, the only thing that mattered was how they were obtained. Bitch.
Still not fake news, regardless of how many times you, the Crypt Keeper, or President Cheeto says it.
More leaks will happen about this serious situation and possibly others like Trump's tax returns.
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Yes. Still irrelevant fake news. As long as he continues to keep his campaign promises, we all win.
Except libs. They lose. They always lose.
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"The real scandal here is that classified information is illegally given out by "intelligence" like candy. Very un-American!" - Trump tweet
Ummm, no. Just like with Hillary's emails, the "real scandal" is the details, not who leaked them. Also, the fact that he (Trump) knew about the conversation between Russia and Flynn over a month ago and knew that information between the two parties was likely passed. So, what did they do? They lied about it all and tried to cover it up, while continuing to allow Flynn in on closed doors meetings.
Now, Trump is going to go after the three letter government agencies...probably not a good thing to do that.
The thing about the internet, nothing is ever gone once posted, especially on Twitter.
"Are you allowed to impeach a President due to Gross Incompetence?" - Trump tweet (Jun. 2014)
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Yes. Still irrelevant fake news. As long as he continues to keep his campaign promises, we all win.
Except libs. They lose. They always lose.
Still, no. Not "fake news" when President's cabinet member resigns because of it. But, here this should clear it up.
https://youtu.be/t0KM3BW031M
Country over party. If Hillary was President, I'd still be posting things of this nature because it's very important to this Country. If Bernie Sanders hadn't been screwed over by the DNC and he was President and information came out that his administration were in constant talks with Russia per one of the 6 government agencies, I'd still be saying the exact same thing.
Those that continue to say "fake news", it's nothing, so what, etc., etc., etc. Ask yourself if you'd still say that if the tables were turned and it was Hillary's administration & Russia...if you would be right here with me saying that something is very wrong, when you state the complete opposite because it's Trump, then you aren't choosing Country over party.
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Still, no. Not "fake news" when President's cabinet member resigns because of it. But, here this should clear it up.
https://youtu.be/t0KM3BW031M
Country over party. If Hillary was President, I'd still be posting things of this nature because it's very important to this Country. If Bernie Sanders hadn't been screwed over by the DNC and he was President and information came out that his administration were in constant talks with Russia per one of the 6 government agencies, I'd still be saying the exact same thing.
Those that continue to say "fake news", it's nothing, so what, etc., etc., etc. Ask yourself if you'd still say that if the tables were turned and it was Hillary's administration & Russia...if you would be right here with me saying that something is very wrong, when you state the complete opposite because it's Trump, then you aren't choosing Country over party.
Wrong.
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He's really close to Vladimir Putin and he has business in Russia...not that hard to see that he would want them to know that previous sanctions would be revisited and likely lifted.
Or, the President was trying to get a call set up between two heads of state and the Russian ambassador inquired about the sanctions. It's not that hard to figure out. I would have asked the same fucking question if I was the ambassador.
The problem is he lied and made Pence look like an idiot.
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If Hillary was President, I'd still be posting things of this nature because it's very important to this Country. If Bernie Sanders hadn't been screwed over by the DNC and he was President and information came out that his administration were in constant talks with Russia per one of the 6 government agencies, I'd still be saying the exact same thing.
No you wouldn't...because you would not have Jake Tapper reviewing your talking points for you. This would be a non-issue. Just like Benghazi was a non-issue. Tapper would be talking about how President Clinton had a great meeting with the Prime Minister and how Bill Clinton is acclimating as the "first-man". He would then do an expose on the role that Bill Clinton has in this new white house and he is proud to be an american whose identity is so pregressive thanks to a female president.
This is a complete HIT JOB and people like you are lapping it up.
I am not saying Trump is perfect, but fucking a the firing squad for this dude is unbelievable.
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He's really close to Vladimir Putin and he has business in Russia...not that hard to see that he would want them to know that previous sanctions would be revisited and likely lifted.
Still saw you provide no proof. No nothing. Just the same mass hysteria and conjecture. Admit it. You want it to have happened more than anything. You're a conspiracy theorist at heart dude.
It's also ironic you are saying this because the entire reason he was fired is because he....wait for it.....lied to his bosses about the conversation happening. He made pence and trump look bad when he told them it didn't happen and they backed him up, then it turns out it did happen. In fact, Conway was on tv just hours before he was fired saying they backed him fully. At that time they honestly believed him else they wouldn't have sent a spokesperson out there to say that. You can't lie to the boss.
I also think the content of the conversation matters too. Even IF someone in the admin had known, that doesn't mean they knew the subject matter which can mean everything. A friendly hello is a lot different than discussing sanctions.
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Ummm, no. Just like with Hillary's emails, the "real scandal" is the details, not who leaked them.
Disagree here on this one.
Podesta fell for a phishing scam. If he had an ounce of internet security training, that does not happen.
Flinn's call/comments were leaked by a government employee. One that most likely voted for Clinton, and is doing this to make the administration look bad.
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Disagree here on this one.
Podesta fell for a phishing scam. If he had an ounce of internet security training, that does not happen.
Flinn's call/comments were leaked by a government employee. One that most likely voted for Clinton, and is doing this to make the administration look bad.
This ^^^. Apples and oranges.
We're talking about an administrations actions being leaked to the public by an inside source. Versus an external source phishing for gmail emails of a campaign employee. Huge huge difference.
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Still not fake news, regardless of how many times you, the Crypt Keeper, or President Cheeto says it.
More leaks will happen about this serious situation and possibly others like Trump's tax returns.
Kind of like those underage cocaine party leaks surfaced that you talked about so much?
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Kind of like those underage cocaine party leaks surfaced that you talked about so much?
What? Why wasn't I told about this?
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What? Why wasn't I told about this?
Probably because you aren't underage?
Oh and no one likes you
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Probably because you aren't underage?
Oh and no one likes you
Trump only snorts coke off underage Nicaraguan slave girls asses. Snags doesn't fit the bill.
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Trump only snorts coke off underage Nicaraguan slave girls asses. Snags doesn't fit the bill.
Nicaraguan??? Are you sick, man? I only snort off young Costa Rican and Panamanian cheek.
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Nicaraguan??? Are you sick, man? I only snort off young Costa Rican and Panamanian cheek.
Mista señor snags please to have the cocaine before cutting bitches.
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If Bernie Sanders hadn't been screwed over by the DNC and he was President and information came out that his administration were in constant talks with Russia per one of the 6 government agencies, I'd still be saying the exact same thing.
you're so full of it. you would be in line getting handouts.
for the life of me...i can not understand why anyone would want to be a socialist. we are not Europe or Canada. good grief...trounce on the good our country was founded on.
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What? Why wasn't I told about this?
Probably because you aren't underage?
Oh and no one likes you
Come on over, we always have room for one more. :bar:
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Come on over, we always have room for one more. :bar:
That defeats the purpose.
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you're so full of it. you would be in line getting handouts.
for the life of me...i can not understand why anyone would want to be a socialist. we are not Europe or Canada. good grief...trounce on the good our country was founded on.
He speaks for all of us.
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The problem is he lied and made Pence look like an idiot.
THIS.
You don't make the boss look bad. Simple business rule.
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And I do not give one single fuck in a rain bucket if that was the case. Not one.
Well, you'll be giving that single fuck when it's revealed that not only did Trump collude with Russia, so did Pence & Ryan along with nearly every top Trump aid and they're all impeached and sent to trial. This is where you chant "drain the swamp"..."lock him up".
As for the Islamic friendly Whitehouse. Here's a statement from Trump yesterday..."Islam is one of the World's greatest faiths"...as he speaks in the den of where some of the World's terrorists were created.
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Well, you'll be giving that single fuck when it's revealed that not only did Trump collude with Russia, so did Pence & Ryan along with nearly every top Trump aid and they're all impeached and sent to trial. This is where you chant "drain the swamp"..."lock him up".
As for the Islamic friendly Whitehouse. Here's a statement from Trump yesterday..."Islam is one of the World's greatest faiths"...as he speaks in the den of where some of the World's terrorists were created.
Just to be clear and in their defense.....having contact with, talking to, speaking with, knowing them, having a prior relationship with - none of those mean collision. They can. But so far haven't. And you have to go with that until proven otherwise. It's how our system works prowler.
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Imo, one of two things will happen with this FBI investigation into Trump, his administration, and his campaign. One, nothing is found and everything gets thrown into the trash or two, everyone is impeached and some thrown into prison.
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Imo, one of two things will happen with this FBI investigation into Trump, his administration, and his campaign. One, nothing is found and everything gets thrown into the trash...
and you will still say it happened.
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and you will still say it happened.
Oh yeah, it happened.