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Title: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: Kaos on August 01, 2016, 11:19:22 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/08/01/open-letter-to-mr-khizr-khan.html

Your religion of peace, Islam, is anything but that in 2016. That is a fact that is confirmed every time a Muslim shoots, bombs, beheads and tortures innocent men, women and children. This does not mean that every Muslim is a terrorist, but most terrorists, sir, are indeed Muslims.

Regardless of what the feckless, naïve, leftist ideologue Barack Obama and his dimwitted colleagues John Kerry, Francois Hollande and Angela Merkel state, the United States and the West are at war with Radical Islam. It is the job of the president of the United States to protect his nation from all enemies; foreign and domestic. Unfortunately, Mr. Obama romanticizes Islam and refuses to accept reality, which has resulted in the deaths of thousands of innocent people across the world.
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: GH2001 on August 02, 2016, 11:15:22 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/08/01/open-letter-to-mr-khizr-khan.html

Your religion of peace, Islam, is anything but that in 2016. That is a fact that is confirmed every time a Muslim shoots, bombs, beheads and tortures innocent men, women and children. This does not mean that every Muslim is a terrorist, but most terrorists, sir, are indeed Muslims.

Regardless of what the feckless, naïve, leftist ideologue Barack Obama and his dimwitted colleagues John Kerry, Francois Hollande and Angela Merkel state, the United States and the West are at war with Radical Islam. It is the job of the president of the United States to protect his nation from all enemies; foreign and domestic. Unfortunately, Mr. Obama romanticizes Islam and refuses to accept reality, which has resulted in the deaths of thousands of innocent people across the world.

"most terrorists, sir, are indeed Muslims."

Still waiting for someone. Anyone. To refute this factually.
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: CCTAU on August 02, 2016, 11:57:12 AM
"most terrorists, sir, are indeed Muslims."

Still waiting for someone. Anyone. To refute this factually.

What about Sir Robin of Loxley? he really tore those moors a new asshole!
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: Snaggletiger on August 02, 2016, 12:06:25 PM
What about Sir Robin of Loxley? he really tore those moors a new asshole!

The Sheriff of Rottingham is after Robin.  He deered to kill a King's dare.
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: GH2001 on August 02, 2016, 12:13:42 PM
What about Sir Robin of Loxley? he really tore those moors a new asshole!

Badass. But not "most".
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: Saniflush on August 02, 2016, 02:10:17 PM
The Sheriff of Rottingham is after Robin.  He deered to kill a King's dare.

Cancel Christmas.
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: Pell City Tiger on August 02, 2016, 02:29:46 PM
What about Sir Robin of Loxley? he really tore those moors a new asshole!
Not to be confused with Sir Robin the not-quite-so-brave-as Sir Lancelot .... who had nearly fought the Dragon of Angnor, who nearly stood up to the Chicken of Bristol, and who had personally wet himself at the Battle of Badon Hill.
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: Kaos on August 02, 2016, 02:35:02 PM
"most terrorists, sir, are indeed Muslims."

Still waiting for someone. Anyone. To refute this factually.

(http://watchdog.org/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2013/06/Obama-shush.jpg)
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: Buzz Killington on August 05, 2016, 08:47:45 AM
"most terrorists, sir, are indeed Muslims."

Still waiting for someone. Anyone. To refute this factually.
But that kid in South Carolina tho
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: Kaos on August 05, 2016, 08:53:27 AM
But that kid in South Carolina tho

And all them honky cops.
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: The Prowler on August 05, 2016, 11:34:16 PM
I'm guessing we'll start asking all of the American terrorists what religion they practice.
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: Kaos on August 06, 2016, 12:44:43 AM
I'm guessing we'll start asking all of the American terrorists what religion they practice.

^^
Part of the problem, not the solution. 
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: CCTAU on August 06, 2016, 03:32:42 PM
Found this. Very well discussed;


Let me ask you something, have you read or studied the Quran? If you have not actually studied it for considerable length of time and referenced it to its other religious text such as the Hadiths, then you will have formed an opinion out of thin air or had your opinion influenced by mainstream media!

If you do not want to admit it's possible that you are mistaken or that you do not have enough knowledge or information to fully understand this problem then you are deliberately or wilfully choosing not to be open-minded or rather to cling to your opinion with emotional conviction.

It's not my intent to argue or insult you but rather explain to you in a short a space as possible why this is happening!

I studied the Quran in 6 islamic scholars approved translations as well as the Hadiths for three years, I referenced it to other books and videos and took notes while studying this topic so I could fully and completely understand the truth without biased outside influences!

I can prove to you what most people already know and that is that every single act of Islamic terrorism was inspired by the teachings in the Quran and by mimicking the behaviour of their profit Mohammed.
Even the murder of innocence and rape of women is inspired and approved of in their holy teachings!

Islam literally commands its followers to murder non-Muslims, infidel, Christians, Jews and even other Mahometans if they do not obey Islamic law! It promises them heavenly rewards in exchange for this murder especially if they lose their life while fighting the battles of Allah.
It is irrelevant what your or my personal belief is on God but I'm sure we can both agree that our understanding of God does not include heavenly rewards for murdering people that do not agree with our narrative!

Islamic religious text commands it's followers to spread until every land their foot touches belongs to Allah.
If you study history as I also have, you would see that Islam has behaved this way since it's inception, constantly at war, spreading and gaining members by force! In recent history the rise and fall of the ottoman empire would be a good starting point. One problem I encounter is people say "but that was a long time ago we have evolved since then" yes WE have, but they are not permitted to evolve or change they are forever frozen in a barbaric control ideology from the year 610AD.  They have been at war since 622AD

If we keep making excuses for them or try to blame certain factions of the organization then we are only doing ourselves, our children and our culture a great disservice!

They are simply not ready to join a civilized society like ours and by allowing them access to our lives we have invited the very terrorism we see happening all around the world on a regular basis!

If we do not aggressively address this ominous threat now then our grandchildren will suffer dearly for our cowardice and wilful ignorance!

It's one thing to make a mistake and never repeat it but for us to make a mistake and then defend it because we do not want to admit we were wrong out of some misguided fear that we are somehow responsible for the tragedy that follows our mistake is not becoming of modern civilized people, WE must defend our culture, values, freedom and the safety of our children!

Islam and peace cannot coexist if you need me to bring over a copy of the Quran and show you firsthand so you can see for yourself I would be very happy to do so because I only want our children to grow up in the same wonderful culture that I had the privilege of growing up in!
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: The Prowler on August 08, 2016, 07:48:20 PM
Thank goodness the Old Testament didn't state that there would be a reward for killing others.
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: Kaos on August 08, 2016, 08:34:50 PM
Thank goodness the Old Testament didn't state that there would be a reward for killing others.

^^
Part of the problem.

Can't fix willful ignorance.
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: The Prowler on August 09, 2016, 06:21:08 PM

^^
Part of the problem.

Can't fix willful ignorance.
What's part of the problem? Religion as a whole or three groups of people that base their beliefs from a man that heard voices to cut up his genitals and murder his child?
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: War Eagle!!! on August 10, 2016, 09:22:12 AM
What's part of the problem? Religion as a whole or three groups of people that base their beliefs from a man that heard voices to cut up his genitals and murder his child?

I am not sure how much I know about "religion", but I am pretty sure you have this all wrong here...
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: Kaos on August 10, 2016, 09:26:39 AM
I am not sure how much I know about "religion", but I am pretty sure you have this all wrong here...

And still gets to vote. 

 :facepalm:
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: Pell City Tiger on August 10, 2016, 09:35:33 AM
I am not sure how much I know about "religion", but I am pretty sure you have this all wrong here...
Throw this inaccuracy in the back of the wagon with all the others. If he keeps posting, we're going to need a few more mules to pull this wagon load of his horseshit.
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: GH2001 on August 10, 2016, 10:26:21 AM
I'm guessing we'll start asking all of the American terrorists what religion they practice.

Most documented terrorist acts committed on planet earth have been confirmed to be by people practicing the faith of Islam. Period. End of story. Anything being stated by you above is smoke and mirrors.
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: The Prowler on August 10, 2016, 05:57:55 PM
I am not sure how much I know about "religion", but I am pretty sure you have this all wrong here...
Nope. It's all correct. I'm guessing a few here still have their head in the sand and haven't done much research on their "chosen" religion.
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: The Prowler on August 10, 2016, 06:20:44 PM
Most documented terrorist acts committed on planet earth have been confirmed to be by people practicing the faith of Islam. Period. End of story. Anything being stated by you above is smoke and mirrors.
Completely missed what I stated. I'm not talking about all over planet earth, I'm talking about here in America.

From 1970 - 2013 there have been around 2,400 documented terrorist attacks on US soil. Muslims carried out approximately 60, Jews carried out approximately 118...just saying.
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: Kaos on August 10, 2016, 09:18:24 PM
Nope. It's all correct. I'm guessing a few here still have their head in the sand and haven't done much research on their "chosen" religion.

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Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: GH2001 on August 11, 2016, 09:21:06 AM
Completely missed what I stated. I'm not talking about all over planet earth, I'm talking about here in America.

From 1970 - 2013 there have been around 2,400 documented terrorist attacks on US soil. Muslims carried out approximately 60, Jews carried out approximately 118...just saying.

Please lookup Muslim Conquests. Go back to the 7th century. Hell its even on the chizad wikis.

Care to expand on all those Jew attacks? You read way too much shit on the net guised as research. You don't just get to say it and it be true. Same for anyone else's shit you read on the gorewebbz.
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: dallaswareagle on August 11, 2016, 10:22:10 AM
Nope. It's all correct. I'm guessing a few here still have their head in the sand and haven't done much research on their "chosen" religion.


Glad to still have mine.   
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: CCTAU on August 11, 2016, 10:43:25 AM
Please lookup Muslim Conquests. Go back to the 7th century. Hell its even on the chizad wikis.

Care to expand on all those Jew attacks? You read way too much shit on the net guised as research. You don't just get to say it and it be true. Same for anyone else's shit you read on the gorewebbz.

Dammit. We have already discussed Sir Robin of Loxely!
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: Pell City Tiger on August 11, 2016, 12:25:06 PM
Dammit. We have already discussed Sir Robin of Loxely!
... and Sir Robin the not quite so brave as Sir Lancelot.
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: Saniflush on August 11, 2016, 01:30:20 PM
... and Sir Robin the not quite so brave as Sir Lancelot.

Who Slew The Vicious Chicken Of Bristol?
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: The Prowler on August 11, 2016, 03:18:10 PM
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/10/86/8d/10868df8bf44def03989e2951b645e37.jpg)
It's pretty sad when people don't know their religion's background. Abraham was the guy's name. Now, y'all be good little school children and go do your homework.
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: AUChizad on August 11, 2016, 03:19:46 PM
No point in engaging Prowler, or anyone else in this thread for that matter, but he's right that the old Testament is similarly violent compared to the Quran and hadith, but the important difference is that Christianity and Judaism underwent a reformation. Islam has not.

Christianity and Judaism allow "interpretation" wiggle room because the Bible consists of didactic parables. The Quran is the literal "infallible" words of Mohammad commanding you specifically on how to live.
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: GH2001 on August 11, 2016, 03:37:38 PM
No point in engaging Prowler, or anyone else in this thread for that matter, but he's right that the old Testament is similarly violent compared to the Quran and hadith is that Christianity and Judaism underwent a reformation. Islam has not.

Christianity and Judaism allow "interpretation" wiggle room because the Bible consists of didactic parables. The Quran is the literal "infallible" words of Mohammad commanding you specifically on how to live.

Correct.

And I would also add that Christians, Hindus, Jews and Buddhists are not flying 727s into one of the tallest buildings in the world.
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: Pell City Tiger on August 11, 2016, 03:50:19 PM
Who Slew The Vicious Chicken Of Bristol?
Yes, and personally wet himself at the Battle of Badon Hill.
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: CCTAU on August 11, 2016, 04:21:33 PM
No point in engaging Prowler, or anyone else in this thread for that matter, but he's right that the old Testament is similarly violent compared to the Quran and hadith, but the important difference is that Christianity and Judaism underwent a reformation. Islam has not.

Christianity and Judaism allow "interpretation" wiggle room because the Bible consists of didactic parables. The Quran is the literal "infallible" words of Mohammad commanding you specifically on how to live.

OMG. You made a sensible post.
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: Snaggletiger on August 11, 2016, 04:23:35 PM
OMG. You made a sensible post.

Damn it, man.  Don't encourage him.
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: The Prowler on August 11, 2016, 05:00:20 PM
No point in engaging Prowler, or anyone else in this thread for that matter, but he's right that the old Testament is similarly violent compared to the Quran and hadith, but the important difference is that Christianity and Judaism underwent a reformation. Islam has not.

Christianity and Judaism allow "interpretation" wiggle room because the Bible consists of didactic parables. The Quran is the literal "infallible" words of Mohammad commanding you specifically on how to live.
Ding, ding, ding. All three have a common denominator...Abrahamic religions. Two of them upgraded to 2.0, the other did not.

Thank goodness for the upgrade in Christianity because I'd be an abomination today, wearing two different materials of clothing.
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: CCTAU on August 11, 2016, 06:51:49 PM
Ding, ding, ding. All three have a common denominator...Abrahamic religions. Two of them upgraded to 2.0, the other did not.

Thank goodness for the upgrade in Christianity because I'd be an abomination today, wearing two different materials of clothing.

You're NOT?
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: Pell City Tiger on August 11, 2016, 07:17:25 PM
Ding, ding, ding. All three have a common denominator...Abrahamic religions. Two of them upgraded to 2.0, the other did not.

Thank goodness for the upgrade in Christianity because I'd be an abomination today, wearing two different materials of clothing.
Isaac rules and Ishmael drools!
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: The Prowler on August 11, 2016, 11:00:32 PM
You're NOT?
Nope.
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: War Eagle!!! on August 12, 2016, 08:55:58 AM
You guys are missing the whole point of Christianity.

It didn't upgrade. It didn't have a version 2.0. It doesn't leave "interpretation wiggle room".

Christianity is Jesus. The Old Testament is simply leading up to The Way. Christianity didn't reform from the Old Testament. Jesus Christ came to this earth so that men could lead lives through love, through Him.
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: Snaggletiger on August 12, 2016, 09:28:02 AM
You guys are missing the whole point of Christianity.

It didn't upgrade. It didn't have a version 2.0. It doesn't leave "interpretation wiggle room".

Christianity is Jesus. The Old Testament is simply leading up to The Way. Christianity didn't reform from the Old Testament. Jesus Christ came to this earth so that men could lead lives through love, through Him.

Please stop.  There is no place for rational thought and discussion in this thread.  Take your facts somewhere else.
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: AUChizad on August 12, 2016, 09:36:34 AM
Please stop.  There is no place for rational thought and discussion in this thread.  Take your facts somewhere else.
"Facts", lol. I mean, yeah. Facts.
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: AUChizad on August 12, 2016, 09:40:55 AM
You guys are missing the whole point of Christianity.

It didn't upgrade. It didn't have a version 2.0. It doesn't leave "interpretation wiggle room".

Christianity is Jesus. The Old Testament is simply leading up to The Way. Christianity didn't reform from the Old Testament. Jesus Christ came to this earth so that men could lead lives through love, through Him.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant_Reformation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_literalism
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: Snaggletiger on August 12, 2016, 09:43:18 AM
"Facts", lol. I mean, yeah. Facts.

Well, to us Christians, this is the only "fact" that matters out of the entire discussion.

"Jesus Christ came to this earth so that men could lead lives through love, through Him."
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: CCTAU on August 12, 2016, 09:44:15 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant_Reformation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant_Reformation)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_literalism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_literalism)

wikipedia, the worlds greatest scholars...
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: AUChizad on August 12, 2016, 09:59:25 AM
wikipedia, the worlds greatest scholars...
Oh, ok. I guess that means WE!!! is right and there was no Christian reformation and mainstream Christians take every word of the Bible literally. My b.
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: War Eagle!!! on August 12, 2016, 10:04:58 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant_Reformation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_literalism

Are we talking about the church? Or Christianity?
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: Snaggletiger on August 12, 2016, 10:11:05 AM
I'll admit to turning to the wiki's on more than one 1,000 occasions.
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: Saniflush on August 12, 2016, 11:01:02 AM
I'll admit to turning to the wiki's on more than one 1,000 occasions.

You have the wikileaks....everyone else goes and get's a penicillin shot for that.
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: Snaggletiger on August 12, 2016, 11:06:58 AM
You have the wikileaks....everyone else goes and get's a penicillin shot for that.

That's supposed to be a secret.
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: dallaswareagle on August 12, 2016, 03:05:30 PM
Well, to us Christians, this is the only "fact" that matters out of the entire discussion.

"Nick Saban came to this earth so that men could lead lives through love, through Him."

Tuscaloosa church of Christ. 
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: GH2001 on August 12, 2016, 03:48:47 PM
Are we talking about the church? Or Christianity?

Yep.

Big difference in Christ and modern organized religion.
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: AUChizad on August 12, 2016, 05:04:04 PM
Yep.

Big difference in Christ and modern organized religion.
Is that not what we're talking about? Why Muslims are blowing shit up every day and Christians are not, despite having about the same amount of violence in their respective holy books?
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: Kaos on August 12, 2016, 06:50:37 PM
Is that not what we're talking about? Why Muslims are blowing shit up every day and Christians are not, despite having about the same amount of violence in their respective holy books?

There is no commandment or directive in the Old Testament (essentially Judaism) or the New Testament (Christianity) that calls for or demands the widespread massacre of those who do not convert.  There is no requirement to impose your laws and traditions over the world by force or immigration.  No other organized religion has such. Not Buddhism. Not Confucianism.  Not Taoism. 

Islam is a religion of conquest.  It's all there if you'd bother to read it. 

Therein lies the diff.
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: AUChizad on August 14, 2016, 03:05:54 PM
There is no commandment or directive in the Old Testament (essentially Judaism) or the New Testament (Christianity) that calls for or demands the widespread massacre of those who do not convert.  There is no requirement to impose your laws and traditions over the world by force or immigration.  No other organized religion has such. Not Buddhism. Not Confucianism.  Not Taoism. 

Islam is a religion of conquest.  It's all there if you'd bother to read it. 

Therein lies the diff.
We are agreeing essentially here. But.

Quote
Deuteronomy 17
2 If a man or woman living among you in one of the towns the Lord gives you is found doing evil in the eyes of the Lord your God in violation of his covenant, 3 and contrary to my command has worshiped other gods, bowing down to them or to the sun or the moon or the stars in the sky, 4 and this has been brought to your attention, then you must investigate it thoroughly. If it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, 5 take the man or woman who has done this evil deed to your city gate and stone that person to death. 6 On the testimony of two or three witnesses a person is to be put to death, but no one is to be put to death on the testimony of only one witness. 7 The hands of the witnesses must be the first in putting that person to death, and then the hands of all the people. You must purge the evil from among you.

Quote
Deuteronomy 13
If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a sign or wonder, 2 and if the sign or wonder spoken of takes place, and the prophet says, “Let us follow other gods” (gods you have not known) “and let us worship them,” 3 you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The Lord your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 It is the Lord your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him. 5 That prophet or dreamer must be put to death for inciting rebellion against the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt and redeemed you from the land of slavery. That prophet or dreamer tried to turn you from the way the Lord your God commanded you to follow. You must purge the evil from among you.

6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. 11 Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again.

12 If you hear it said about one of the towns the Lord your God is giving you to live in 13 that troublemakers have arisen among you and have led the people of their town astray, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods you have not known), 14 then you must inquire, probe and investigate it thoroughly. And if it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done among you, 15 you must certainly put to the sword all who live in that town. You must destroy it completely,(b) both its people and its livestock. 16 You are to gather all the plunder of the town into the middle of the public square and completely burn the town and all its plunder as a whole burnt offering to the Lord your God. That town is to remain a ruin forever, never to be rebuilt, 17 and none of the condemned things(c) are to be found in your hands. Then the Lord will turn from his fierce anger, will show you mercy, and will have compassion on you. He will increase your numbers, as he promised on oath to your ancestors— 18 because you obey the Lord your God by keeping all his commands that I am giving you today and doing what is right in his eyes.

You must have missed those verses.
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: Kaos on August 14, 2016, 09:53:45 PM
We are agreeing essentially here. But.

You must have missed those verses.

You must not understand those verses. 

Defending one's faith -- and yeah the Old Testament could be harsh as befit the time in which it was written -- is significantly different from seeking out, conquering, destroying and eliminating other cultures and beliefs in order to impose your own. 

Have you read the Koran?  I consider it the blasphemous and perverse ramblings of a man no less vile than Hitler.  But I've read through it. 

The Islamic faith is not interested in assimilation or peaceful coexistence.  The goal is domination.  Force first, but if that doesn't work? Simply overwhelm.  By immigration. 

Regardless of what the founding fathers may have said in 1776, it's time forever prevent the massive Muslim immigration.  Or the country as you know it will not exist for your grandchildren.  They will be Islamic or dead. 
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: Saniflush on August 15, 2016, 07:41:24 AM
If it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, 5 take the man or woman who has done this evil deed to your city gate and stone that person to death.

All I said was "that piece of halibut was good enough for Jehovah"!
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: Snaggletiger on August 15, 2016, 08:35:09 AM
All I said was "that piece of halibut was good enough for Jehovah"!

Are there any women here today?
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: CCTAU on August 15, 2016, 09:33:19 AM
We are agreeing essentially here. But.

You must have missed those verses.

And you. you must have missed the whole new testament.

Did I miss the "new testament" in the quran?
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: AUChizad on August 15, 2016, 09:53:46 AM
You must not understand those verses. 

Defending one's faith -- and yeah the Old Testament could be harsh as befit the time in which it was written -- is significantly different from seeking out, conquering, destroying and eliminating other cultures and beliefs in order to impose your own. 

Have you read the Koran?  I consider it the blasphemous and perverse ramblings of a man no less vile than Hitler.  But I've read through it. 

The Islamic faith is not interested in assimilation or peaceful coexistence.  The goal is domination.  Force first, but if that doesn't work? Simply overwhelm.  By immigration. 

Regardless of what the founding fathers may have said in 1776, it's time forever prevent the massive Muslim immigration.  Or the country as you know it will not exist for your grandchildren.  They will be Islamic or dead.
Again. We agree that the Quran has more of this, and is more believed to be direct commands from God (Allah) to YOU the everyday adherent of the religion, rather than what He (or other righteous figures) said specific people should do in specific situations, leaving more room for interpretation.

And also that they have never gone through a reformation as has Christianity to say "Yeah, well, that's just how they talked back then. Don't actually stone them to death, drive swords through everyone's hearts, mutilate their livestock, and burn their village rubble. That part's just a 'metaphor'".

But how is commanding doing all that awful shit to a neighboring city in Deuteronomy 13:12-18 "protecting your religion" in any way significantly different than what Allah commands in the Quran?

I'm not sitting here saying that Christians interpret that scripture the same way that Muslims interpret the Quran and the hadith, which is entirely the point I was trying to make from the beginning.
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: AUChizad on August 15, 2016, 09:54:53 AM
And you. you must have missed the whole new testament.

Did I miss the "new testament" in the quran?
You must have missed everything I posted in this thread and the entire point I was originally making.
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: War Eagle!!! on August 15, 2016, 10:01:13 AM
Again. We agree that the Quran has more of this, and is more believed to be direct commands from God (Allah) to YOU the everyday adherent of the religion, rather than what He (or other righteous figures) said specific people should do in specific situations, leaving more room for interpretation.

And also that they have never gone through a reformation as has Christianity to say "Yeah, well, that's just how they talked back then. Don't actually stone them to death, drive swords through everyone's hearts, mutilate their livestock, and burn their village rubble. That part's just a 'metaphor'".

But how is commanding doing all that awful shit to a neighboring city in Deuteronomy 13:12-18 "protecting your religion" in any way significantly different than what Allah commands in the Quran?

I'm not sitting here saying that Christians interpret that scripture the same way that Muslims interpret the Quran and the hadith, which is entirely the point I was trying to make from the beginning.

And you missed my point. Without Jesus, Christianity IS every other religion. Jesus IS Christianity.
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: CCTAU on August 15, 2016, 10:01:38 AM
You must have missed everything I posted in this thread and the entire point I was originally making.

You really NEVER make a valid point.

Therefore skimming over your massive bloviation of misinformation is standard...
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: Kaos on August 15, 2016, 10:21:11 AM
But how is commanding doing all that awful shit to a neighboring city in Deuteronomy 13:12-18 "protecting your religion" in any way significantly different than what Allah commands in the Quran?

That's not what it says.  It's talking about a town that belongs to Christians and the dirtbags are stirring up crap and trying to take it over.  It doesn't say "go find where the Muslims live, convert them and if they don't convert?  Kill their asses and we will give you a thousand golden goats and a whole bunch of pre-pubescent girls for your dirty ass to violate." 
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: The Prowler on August 16, 2016, 05:35:16 PM
That's not what it says.  It's talking about a town that belongs to Christians and the dirtbags are stirring up crap and trying to take it over.  It doesn't say "go find where the Muslims live, convert them and if they don't convert?  Kill their asses and we will give you a thousand golden goats and a whole bunch of pre-pubescent girls for your dirty ass to violate."
Like I said earlier, thank goodness the bible didn't offer rewards for killing others. Nevermind all of the killings done in the name of Christianity, back then.
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: Snaggletiger on August 16, 2016, 05:45:38 PM
I'm not sayin' a Christian will off a bitch. I'm not sayin' he won't.
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: CCTAU on August 16, 2016, 10:31:03 PM
Like I said earlier, thank goodness the bible didn't offer rewards for killing others. Nevermind all of the killings done in the name of Christianity, back then.

You sir are an overeducated fool.

Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: Kaos on August 18, 2016, 03:24:56 PM
One of my greatest concerns is the so-called President trying to create this distinction between "radical Islam" and the Islamic faith. 

there is no distinction except in the manner of execution.  "Radical Islam" achieves its objective through force and intimidation.  Regular Islam does so through immigration, an absolute refusal to assimilate and then when the numbers are great enough, demands to institute their own culture in place of what's there. 

Look at what's happening in Michigan. One city now blares that horrendous "call to prayer" horn five times a day like it's some middle eastern sand pit.  In another, the Muslim population is clamoring for their right to institute Sharia Law -- and what's more galling is the American media gushes about how great it is and how "progressive" the city is. 

Because that city certainly would HATE Donald Trump.  Not because the population is 44% Arab, but because the majority of the residents are "are committed to equality and full of love, tolerance, and spiritual energy." 

Personally?  I'd like to wipe it off the map.  Tolerate that.
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: bottomfeeder on August 18, 2016, 03:47:07 PM
One of my greatest concerns is the so-called President trying to create this distinction between "radical Islam" and the Islamic faith. 

there is no distinction except in the manner of execution.  "Radical Islam" achieves its objective through force and intimidation.  Regular Islam does so through immigration, an absolute refusal to assimilate and then when the numbers are great enough, demands to institute their own culture in place of what's there. 

Look at what's happening in Michigan. One city now blares that horrendous "call to prayer" horn five times a day like it's some middle eastern sand pit.  In another, the Muslim population is clamoring for their right to institute Sharia Law -- and what's more galling is the American media gushes about how great it is and how "progressive" the city is. 

Because that city certainly would HATE Donald Trump.  Not because the population is 44% Arab, but because the majority of the residents are "are committed to equality and full of love, tolerance, and spiritual energy." 

Personally?  I'd like to wipe it off the map.  Tolerate that.

THIS^^^^^^^^^^^
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: Ogre on August 19, 2016, 09:03:46 AM
Like I said earlier, thank goodness the bible didn't offer rewards for killing others. Nevermind all of the killings done in the name of Christianity, back then.

I know this is pointless, but you do realize that "back then" it wasn't Christianity, right?  Back then, it was Judiasm.  Christianity didn't become Christianity until Jesus was crucified, buried and rose from the dead 3 days later. 

As WE!!! pointed out earlier, the Old Testament foreshadowed the arrival of Jesus.  When Jesus arrived he specifically taught that we are to love our enemies.  Bless those who curse us.  Turn the other cheek. Basically the exact opposite of Mohammed. 

It's not that he wanted to pussify his followers, but rather transform them into a new creation.  They were called to be different.  Still are. 

But I'm sure you knew all that already.

Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: bottomfeeder on August 19, 2016, 02:07:49 PM
I know this is pointless, but you do realize that "back then" it wasn't Christianity, right?  Back then, it was Judiasm.  Christianity didn't become Christianity until Jesus was crucified, buried and rose from the dead 3 days later. 

As WE!!! pointed out earlier, the Old Testament foreshadowed the arrival of Jesus.  When Jesus arrived he specifically taught that we are to love our enemies.  Bless those who curse us.  Turn the other cheek. Basically the exact opposite of Mohammed. 

It's not that he wanted to pussify his followers, but rather transform them into a new creation.  They were called to be different.  Still are. 

But I'm sure you knew all that already.

We are like sheep lead to slaughter. If we, as Christians, are to love our enemies, then why are we bombing the shit out of Muslim countries?
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: dallaswareagle on August 19, 2016, 02:35:15 PM
We are like sheep lead to slaughter. If we, as Christians, are to love our enemies, then why are we bombing the shit out of Muslim countries?


Some folks need special love. 
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: CCTAU on August 19, 2016, 02:40:49 PM
We are like sheep lead to slaughter. If we, as Christians, are to love our enemies, then why are we bombing the shit out of Muslim countries?

We actually aren't bombing them enough.


Lay down and die is not in the Bible.


Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: Kaos on August 19, 2016, 02:44:11 PM
We are like sheep lead to slaughter. If we, as Christians, are to love our enemies, then why are we bombing the shit out of Muslim countries?

We love them if they leave us alone. 

Go back to the Crusades, if you please. 
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: bottomfeeder on August 19, 2016, 02:49:39 PM
We love them if they leave us alone. 

Go back to the Crusades, if you please.

We need to eliminate the threat altogether. Politics and PC seem to get in the way.

We actually aren't bombing them enough.


Lay down and die is not in the Bible.

I concur.
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: The Prowler on August 19, 2016, 04:32:06 PM
I know this is pointless, but you do realize that "back then" it wasn't Christianity, right?  Back then, it was Judiasm.  Christianity didn't become Christianity until Jesus was crucified, buried and rose from the dead 3 days later. 

As WE!!! pointed out earlier, the Old Testament foreshadowed the arrival of Jesus.  When Jesus arrived he specifically taught that we are to love our enemies.  Bless those who curse us.  Turn the other cheek. Basically the exact opposite of Mohammed. 

It's not that he wanted to pussify his followers, but rather transform them into a new creation.  They were called to be different.  Still are. 

But I'm sure you knew all that already.
I know this is pointless, but you do realize that the Christian Crusades and the Christian Inquisitions killed a lot of people.
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: Kaos on August 19, 2016, 04:42:17 PM
I know this is pointless, but you do realize that the Christian Crusades and the Christian Inquisitions killed a lot of people.

So did malaria.  So what?
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: Snaggletiger on August 19, 2016, 04:51:09 PM
So did malaria.  So what?

Malaria Jackson?  Went out with her one time.  I knew dat bitch was crazy.
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: The Prowler on August 19, 2016, 06:08:53 PM
So did malaria.  So what?
Completely missed the point...not surprising.
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: Kaos on August 19, 2016, 07:33:26 PM
Completely missed the point...not surprising.

No. You did. 

We aren't talking about some 1000 year old shit.  You sound exactly like a fucking Bama fan. 

Their cheating has reached unprecedented heights.  Their players are uneducated rubes. And when called out on it, what's their response?

James Brooks.

The man is almost 60 years old.  The FUCK does James Brooks have to do with anything? 

Same for the ancient shit you dredge up.  If you want to be so tolerant you can take your tolerable ass to Syria.  See if they reciprocate. 

That's the day when I'll be okay with them being here.  The same day they allow us to be there and worship as we please. 

Until then?  Kill. Them. All.

Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: The Prowler on August 19, 2016, 09:46:02 PM
No. You did. 

We aren't talking about some 1000 year old shit.  You sound exactly like a fucking Bama fan. 

Their cheating has reached unprecedented heights.  Their players are uneducated rubes. And when called out on it, what's their response?

James Brooks.

The man is almost 60 years old.  The FUCK does James Brooks have to do with anything? 

Same for the ancient shit you dredge up.  If you want to be so tolerant you can take your tolerable ass to Syria.  See if they reciprocate. 

That's the day when I'll be okay with them being here.  The same day they allow us to be there and worship as we please. 

Until then?  Kill. Them. All.
You sound like a drunk retard butting into a conversation that you've just caught the tail end of.

I stated "thank goodness the bible doesn't promise rewards for killing people, nevermind all the killing done in the name of Christianity." Then the morons responded...I replied to their moronic post. If I educate atleast one person, I've done my job.
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: Kaos on August 19, 2016, 10:20:07 PM
You sound like a drunk retard butting into a conversation that you've just caught the tail end of.

I stated "thank goodness the bible doesn't promise rewards for killing people, nevermind all the killing done in the name of Christianity." Then the morons responded...I replied to their moronic post. If I educate atleast one person, I've done my job.

My fervent hope is that person is you. 
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: CCTAU on August 19, 2016, 10:56:31 PM
My fervent hope is that person is you.

He's been in school for thirty years.

He has many leather bound books!
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: The Prowler on August 19, 2016, 11:56:09 PM
He's been in school for thirty years.

He has many leather bound books!
Schooling morons for thirty years is not the same thing as being in school for thirty years...smh.
Title: Re: Well put in regard to Islam
Post by: CCTAU on August 20, 2016, 01:20:17 AM
Schooling morons for thirty years is not the same thing as being in school for thirty years...smh.

Damn sure don't seem to be the real world!