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The Library => The SGA => Topic started by: AUTailgatingRules on June 16, 2016, 02:08:07 PM
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If an individual is on the no fly list and we don't trust you won't blow up our planes
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You are on the FBI terror watch list because we think you might blow up one of our cities
WHY THE HELL ARE YOU STILL ALLOWED TO BE IN THIS COUNTRY????
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If an individual is on the no fly list and we don't trust you won't blow up our planes
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You are on the FBI terror watch list because we think you might blow up one of our cities
WHY THE HELL ARE YOU STILL ALLOWED TO BE IN THIS COUNTRY????
One word answer: Democrats :bamahomer: Don't want to run off some of the voters.
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One word answer: Democrats :bamahomer: Don't want to run off some of the voters.
Obama.
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Pardon me for being condescending, but do you guys seriously not know what the fuck is going on in the world?
Do you not know that the Democrats just spent 15 hours last night filibustering for just that?
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-orlando-nightclub-shooting-live-democrat-mounts-gun-control-filibuster-1466014395-htmlstory.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVAVl8s23wc
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/742408327758516224
“If you are too dangerous to get on a plane, you are too dangerous to buy a gun in America,†said Hillary Clinton
So while you guys are agreeing with Obama & Hillary and all of the Democrats in Congress...
Are you aware that 2.5 MILLION people are on the terror watch list? Are you aware that you can be added for absolutely no fucking reason and you don't have to be told about it or have any due process or right to appeal being on the list?
In fact, judging by some of your comments on TigersX.com I would not at all be surprised if some of you were on the list. Is that ok with you that you can have your 2nd amendment rights (and every other constitutional right) stripped away from you on nothing more than a hunch?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/25/terrorist-watch-list_n_5617599.html
I know, I have no life because I'm educated on a topic before I spout off ignorantly about it.
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Pardon me for being condescending, but do you guys seriously not know what the fuck is going on in the world?
Do you not know that the Democrats just spent 15 hours last night filibustering for just that?
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-orlando-nightclub-shooting-live-democrat-mounts-gun-control-filibuster-1466014395-htmlstory.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVAVl8s23wc
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/742408327758516224
So while you guys are agreeing with Obama & Hillary and all of the Democrats in Congress...
Are you aware that 2.5 MILLION people are on the terror watch list? Are you aware that you can be added for absolutely no fucking reason and you don't have to be told about it or have any due process or right to appeal being on the list?
In fact, judging by some of your comments on TigersX.com I would not at all be surprised if some of you were on the list. Is that ok with you that you can have your 2nd amendment rights (and every other constitutional right) stripped away from you on nothing more than a hunch?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/25/terrorist-watch-list_n_5617599.html
I know, I have no life because I'm educated on a topic before I spout off ignorantly about it.
I think you may be agreeing with them on gun control. Not sure. But I think.
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Yeah. I admit I misread the original post and focused more on the part about the No Fly List and Terror Watch List being valuable and practical, and less about him saying he wants to use it to deport people rather than take away their guns.
The point still stands though. It's a bullshit arbitrary list with 2.5 MILLION people on it. And guess what? They're not all brown, since your video from the other thread shows that's what you're actually concerned about.
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Yeah. I admit I misread the original post and focused more on the part about the No Fly List and Terror Watch List being valuable and practical, and less about him saying he wants to use it to deport people rather than take away their guns.
The point still stands though. It's a bullshit arbitrary list with 2.5 MILLION people on it. And guess what? They're not all brown, since your video from the other thread shows that's what you're actually concerned about.
I bet you're on the list. You don't need to be anywhere near a gun.
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Yeah. I admit I misread the original post and focused more on the part about the No Fly List and Terror Watch List being valuable and practical, and less about him saying he wants to use it to deport people rather than take away their guns.
The point still stands though. It's a bullshit arbitrary list with 2.5 MILLION people on it. And guess what? They're not all brown, since your video from the other thread shows that's what you're actually concerned about.
I bet you're on the list. You don't need to be anywhere near a gun.
Now we got list, I thought is was only links? :huh: :huh:
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:facepalm:
Now we got list, I thought is was only links? :huh: :huh:
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I bet you're on the list. You don't need to be anywhere near a gun.
Ok even chad has to laugh at that one.
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OK let me try it this way.
Let's say we put Mateen on a no fly/terror watch list and therefore he can no longer buy a gun
now let's say Mateen walks into the Pulse with a couple pipe bombs and kills 50 people anyway.
I pose the question again...
WHY THEY HELL WAS HE ALLOWED TO STAY IN THE COUNTRY
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OK let me try it this way.
Let's say we put Mateen on a no fly/terror watch list and therefore he can no longer buy a gun
now let's say Mateen walks into the Pulse with a couple pipe bombs and kills 50 people anyway.
I pose the question again...
WHY THEY HELL WAS HE ALLOWED TO STAY IN THE COUNTRY
There are 72 people from THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY on the terrorist watch list.
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/72-dhs-employees-on-terrorist-watch-list/
You can be added to the list for next to no reason. Let's say Joe white guy. Let's call him Kaos McWhitey, says on Facebook that he wants to beat Obama to death with a shovel.
He can be added to the terror watch list.
Why is he allowed to stay in the country because of some list with 2.5MILLION people on it who committed no crimes just like him?
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There are 72 people from THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY on the terrorist watch list.
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/72-dhs-employees-on-terrorist-watch-list/
You can be added to the list for next to no reason. Let's say Joe white guy. Let's call him Kaos McWhitey, says on Facebook that he wants to beat Obama to death with a shovel.
He can be added to the terror watch list.
Why is he allowed to stay in the country because of some list with 2.5MILLION people on it who committed no crimes just like him?
It could easily be ascertained that I have no assault shovel. Nor have I applied for one.
Deport the rest.
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There are 72 people from THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY on the terrorist watch list.
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/72-dhs-employees-on-terrorist-watch-list/
You can be added to the list for next to no reason. Let's say Joe white guy. Let's call him Kaos McWhitey, says on Facebook that he wants to beat Obama to death with a shovel.
He can be added to the terror watch list.
Why is he allowed to stay in the country because of some list with 2.5MILLION people on it who committed no crimes just like him?
If you threaten the pres. you should be in jail not on a no fly list
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If you threaten the pres. you should be in jail not on a no fly list
Yep.
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If you threaten the pres. you should be in jail not on a no fly list
If you are on a no fly list you should not be able to collect a govt pay check until it is cleared up
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I think part of the solution to gun crimes in America is to have more people that are actually responsible gun owners that concealed carry.
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Whoa! Whoa! Whoa!
That list is shit! They Willy nilly add people and only remove the damn minorities who claim profiling. Its damn near impossible for Joe blow to get off the list!
The list is shit and the government officials who maintain the list are not trustworthy!
But the damn Orlando shooter was on everybody's radar and was ignored due to the political correctness of not want to be accused of profiling!
PC and a shitty dhimmicratic administration killed those people!
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If you are on a no fly list you should not be able to collect a govt pay check until it is cleared up
If you are collecting a government check you should not be able to fly except in cases of family emergencies (funerals, etc.)
There should be one store where you have to shop for clothes and groceries. And it won't carry Polo or Gucci or caviar or sushi. It'll be Dollar Generalish. No ice cream, either.
If you have one child and are on the government dole you should be prevented from having any more.
You should have to do some type of community service to collect your government check. Cleaning roadways, washing cars, something.
If you commit a crime -- any crime -- you no longer have the right to get government money. You have to go to a work camp. If you commit a violent crime you have to be moved to an island somewhere.
You can't buy guns if you're on the government dole either. Or cars other than the cheapest ford or chevy made. No foreign cars, no luxury cars, no SUVs.
Elect me president. I'll make life so tough on the government tit that people will actually look for jobs. And when I abolish NAFTA, slash the minimum wage, close all the borders, and lower taxes on small businesses, there will BE jobs.
Vote for Kaos!
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Our Imam in Chief at it again.
"Our politics have conspired to make it as easy as possible for a terrorist ... to buy extraordinary powerful weapons and they can do so legally," Obama said.
"Those who defend the easy accessibility of assault weapons should meet these families," Obama said, before calling on lawmakers to "rise to the moment and do the right thing."
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Howard Stern weighs in courtesy of foxynewsdot I am a gay twerker that has no balls!!!! I also have no idea how to use the quote function to post stories, so I annoy the piss out of others. I like male genatalia in and around my mouth.
Howard Stern gave his two cents on the gun control debate following the Orlando terrorist attack Sunday night.
"I'm so upset about Orlando and what went down," Stern said on his show Wednesday. "But I can't believe these people would come out afterward and their answer to Orlando is to take away guns from the public. It's f----ing mind-blowing to me."
Stern then went on to make an analogy comparing the public to sheep, the terrorists to wolves and the military and police to sheepdogs.
"Now, let’s say I walked up literally to a sheep herd, and they know that every night the wolves pick off a couple of them,†Stern said. “What if I went up to the sheep and I said, ‘You wanna have a shot at the wolves? I’m gonna give you a pistol. You can actually even the playing field with these wolves whose fangs are out — you could shoot them and save your family.'"
Stern said he's anti-violence and admits that he couldn't "hurt a fly" if confronted and labels himself as a sheep. But, he said, "there are such horrible monsters in our world."
"The wolves are always plotting. They’ll use boxcutters. They’ll use an airplane to fly it right into a building. They don’t need AR-15s."
The outspoken SiriusXm personality said he's not for "taking away people’s rights," adding he thinks "the answer doesn't lie in taking any kind of ability of the sheep to protect themselves from the wolves. I wish it was that simple."
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If you are collecting a government check you should not be able to fly except in cases of family emergencies (funerals, etc.)
There should be one store where you have to shop for clothes and groceries. And it won't carry Polo or Gucci or caviar or sushi. It'll be Dollar Generalish. No ice cream, either.
If you have one child and are on the government dole you should be prevented from having any more.
You should have to do some type of community service to collect your government check. Cleaning roadways, washing cars, something.
If you commit a crime -- any crime -- you no longer have the right to get government money. You have to go to a work camp. If you commit a violent crime you have to be moved to an island somewhere.
You can't buy guns if you're on the government dole either. Or cars other than the cheapest ford or chevy made. No foreign cars, no luxury cars, no SUVs.
Elect me president. I'll make life so tough on the government tit that people will actually look for jobs. And when I abolish NAFTA, slash the minimum wage, close all the borders, and lower taxes on small businesses, there will BE jobs.
Vote for Kaos!
While all true, I was talking about government employees should not get a check if they are on the no fly list
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OK let me try it this way.
Let's say we put Mateen on a no fly/terror watch list and therefore he can no longer buy a gun
now let's say Mateen walks into the Pulse with a couple pipe bombs and kills 50 people anyway.
I pose the question again...
WHY THEY HELL WAS HE ALLOWED TO STAY IN THE COUNTRY
Because these so called "lists" have no meaning. Ted Fucking Kennedy was on the no fly list so should he have been deported? I see this just like the IRS. It is the only organization in the legal system that you have to prove wrong. That means they, the IRS, are always right. Putting that into practice, the federal government could put any person it deems an enemy on that list. Thus, leading to even more power going to the executive branch. I can't believe people want to give up their liberties like they do in today's world.
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It could easily be ascertained that I have no assault shovel. Nor have I applied for one.
Deport the rest.
But it's not easily ascertained.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/14/nyregion/14watchlist.html?_r=0
“Meet Mikey Hicks,†said Najlah Feanny Hicks, introducing her 8-year-old son, a New Jersey Cub Scout and frequent traveler who has seldom boarded a plane without a hassle because he shares the name of a suspicious person. “It’s not a myth.â€
Michael Winston Hicks’s mother initially sensed trouble when he was a baby and she could not get a seat for him on their flight to Florida at an airport kiosk; airline officials explained that his name “was on the list,†she recalled.
The first time he was patted down, at Newark Liberty International Airport, Mikey was 2. He cried.
After years of long delays and waits for supervisors at every airport ticket counter, this year’s vacation to the Bahamas badly shook up the family. Mikey was frisked on the way there, then more aggressively on the way home.
“Up your arms, down your arms, up your crotch — someone is patting your 8-year-old down like he’s a criminal,†Mrs. Hicks recounted. “A terrorist can blow his underwear up and they don’t catch him. But my 8-year-old can’t walk through security without being frisked.â€
(https://static01.nyt.com/images/2010/01/14/nyregion/14watchlist_CA0/popup.jpg)
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/15/one-woman-s-case-proves-it-s-basically-impossible-to-get-off-the-no-fly-list.html
As the Senate debated a proposal this month that would have barred gun sales to people on the government’s terrorism watch lists, Republicans decried the lists as unfair, unreliable and un-American. “There’s no due process or any way to get your name removed from it in a timely fashion,†Sen. Marco Rubio told CNN. “This is not a list you can be certain of,†Jeb Bush said. Mike Huckabee asserted that some people end up on the no-fly list due to “suspicion, not necessarily even so much as probable cause.â€
Rahinah Ibrahim, a Malaysian architect with a doctorate from Stanford, knows from personal experience that they have a compelling point. Ibrahim is the only person since the 9/11 attacks to file a court challenge that ultimately removed her name from the watch lists. It took her almost a decade to prevail in court and even that victory has proved pyrrhic for her. While a federal judge agreed that her inclusion on the no-fly list was groundless, she remains unable to obtain a visa that would allow her to visit the United States even to attend academic conferences. A close look at her case by ProPublica provides dramatic evidence of what was argued this month in Washington: It is indeed remarkably easy to get on the list and nearly impossible to get off.
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Because these so called "lists" have no meaning. Ted Fucking Kennedy was on the no fly list so should he have been deported? I see this just like the IRS. It is the only organization in the legal system that you have to prove wrong. That means they, the IRS, are always right. Putting that into practice, the federal government could put any person it deems an enemy on that list. Thus, leading to even more power going to the executive branch. I can't believe people want to give up their liberties like they do in today's world.
Then Fix the fucking list and either deport or detain anyone deemed not trustworthy enough to fly or own a gun. I'm sorry but if this is war against radical Islam, then you have to be willing to detain the enemy when you find them.
If some asshole goes on Facebook and swears allegiance to ISIS, then detain his ass and send him to Guantanamo.
If Some Asshole send money to ISIS, then detain his ass and send him to Guantanamo
If some asshole swears allegiance to Al Qaeda, then detain his ass and send him to Guantanamo.
See how you handle these people. They are at war with us, we need to wake up and realize it
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Then Fix the fucking list and either deport or detain anyone deemed not trustworthy enough to fly or own a gun. I'm sorry but if this is war against radical Islam, then you have to be willing to detain the enemy when you find them.
If some asshole goes on Facebook and swears allegiance to ISIS, then detain his ass and send him to Guantanamo.
If Some Asshole send money to ISIS, then detain his ass and send him to Guantanamo
If some asshole swears allegiance to Al Qaeda, then detain his ass and send him to Guantanamo.
See how you handle these people. They are at war with us, we need to wake up and realize it
The guy was investigated twice by the FBI. Not only did Disney report him to the FBI but a local gun shop did also. If this wasn't enough to warrant the FBI believing he was a terrorist, then why the hell would he be on that list you speak of? The head of the FBI is Obama; therefore, he is responsible for why Meteen was in the country. The thing that pisses me off about this is that the left claims to be champions of the LGBT community but supports a religion such as Islam.
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Then Fix the fucking list and either deport or detain anyone deemed not trustworthy enough to fly or own a gun. I'm sorry but if this is war against radical Islam, then you have to be willing to detain the enemy when you find them.
If some asshole goes on Facebook and swears allegiance to ISIS, then detain his ass and send him to Guantanamo.
If Some Asshole send money to ISIS, then detain his ass and send him to Guantanamo
If some asshole swears allegiance to Al Qaeda, then detain his ass and send him to Guantanamo.
See how you handle these people. They are at war with us, we need to wake up and realize it
You're starting to understand why we don't need the fucking list.
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You're starting to understand why we don't need the fucking list.
Nor Gun Control
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Because these so called "lists" have no meaning. Ted Fucking Kennedy was on the no fly list so should he have been deported? I see this just like the IRS. It is the only organization in the legal system that you have to prove wrong. That means they, the IRS, are always right. Putting that into practice, the federal government could put any person it deems an enemy on that list. Thus, leading to even more power going to the executive branch. I can't believe people want to give up their liberties like they do in today's world.
Based on his history, passengers don't do so well when traveling with him.
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Based on his history, passengers don't do so well when traveling with him.
You know, I wanted the mods to take away your "Like" button, and then you go and post a thing like that and make me use it. I hate you.
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Based on his history, passengers don't do so well when traveling with him.
I don't want to like your post cause it's yours but I have no choice in this instance.
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Based on his history, passengers don't do so well when traveling with him.
^^^This is great! Who typed it for you?
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Some here seem to be OK with this person controlling the list:
Hillary Clinton: “White Terrorism†and Police Are as Big a Threat as ISIS
http://dailyheadlines.net/archives/37027
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Nor Gun Control
Yep.
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Yep.
Well, as Kaos pointed out, you need it. But not anybody else. Carry on.
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Some here seem to be OK with this person controlling the list:
Hillary Clinton: “White Terrorism†and Police Are as Big a Threat as ISIS
http://dailyheadlines.net/archives/37027
Dailyheadlines.net's fact-free horshit blog not withstanding...
Hi. I'm the one who said from the beginning I'm not ok with EITHER of those assholes.
http://reason.com/blog/2016/06/15/no-fly-list-no-guns-trump-agrees-with-ob
No-Fly List, No Guns: Trump Agrees with Obama, Clinton. He Thinks the NRA Should, Too.
Robby Soave|Jun. 15, 2016 12:48 pm
Donald Trump is not a man of ideological principles, conservative or otherwise. He's a reflexive authoritarian who thinks the answer to virtually every problem is more government involvement, at least and especially if "winners" like himself are in charge. Case in point: Trump is backing a gun control measure fervently supported by Hillary Clinton and the Obama administration.
And he wants the NRA to do the same.
Earlier today, Trump tweeted:
Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
I will be meeting with the NRA, who has endorsed me, about not allowing people on the terrorist watch list, or the no fly list, to buy guns.
A spokesperson for the NRA replied that the organization is happy to meet with Trump, though the NRA will remain opposed to using the no-fly list, or terror watch list, to deny constitutional rights to American citizens.
On this issue—the issue of whether people should lose their rights because the government merely suspects them of doing something wrong—the NRA shows more respect for civil liberties than most Democrats. Denying guns to people on the no-fly list is an obvious violation of due process that, if allowed to stand, could easily imperil other rights. As Mark Joseph Stern writes at Slate:
If the government can revoke your right to access firearms simply because it has decided to place you on a secret, notoriously inaccurate list, it could presumably restrict your other rights in a similar manner. You could be forbidden from advocating for causes you believe in, or associating with like-minded activists; your right against intrusive, unreasonable searches could be suspended. And you would have no recourse: The government could simply declare that, as a name on a covert list, you are owed no due process at all.
President Obama and Hillary Clinton are wrong to think that arbitrary lists are a valid and legal means of stripping Americans of their gun rights. It would be nice if the Republican Party had chosen as its standard-bearer someone who could articulate the conservative case for the Second Amendment and due process. Instead, it chose Trump. Now gun rights will be in jeopardy, no matter which of the two charlatans currently seeking the presidency prevails.
That's your guy. A Democrat in sheep's clothing.
By the way, there's one guy on your ballot who DOESN'T support stripping people of their 2nd amendment rights based on some arbitrary bullshit government list.
http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/15/gary-johnson-comes-out-against-no-fly-no-gun-proposal/
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To be fair, I think that's pretty much in line with Trump's stance on immigration and Muslims in general. He wants a moratorium on allowing Muslims in the country until, as he says it, we get a handle on the terrorism issue. I think it stands to reason that he'd be all for a gun ban for anyone on this type of watch list. Now granted, as has been pointed out by several on here, it's the actual watch list that comes into question and who can wind up on it. If I knew the watch list was legit and there was actual evidence to support someone being on there, I'd be behind the ban, whether it was made at the suggestion of Trump or Obama, Hitlary or whoever.
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To be fair, I think that's pretty much in line with Trump's stance on immigration and Muslims in general. He wants a moratorium on allowing Muslims in the country until, as he says it, we get a handle on the terrorism issue. I think it stands to reason that he'd be all for a gun ban for anyone on this type of watch list. Now granted, as has been pointed out by several on here, it's the actual watch list that comes into question and who can wind up on it. If I knew the watch list was legit and there was actual evidence to support someone being on there, I'd be behind the ban, whether it was made at the suggestion of Trump or Obama, Hitlary or whoever.
And to be fair, Trump said he would talk to the NRA. He did not say screw you, I'll be issuing an executive order!
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Just like his stance on how women who have abortions "should be punished", Trump is trying to imitate what he imagines a conservative position to be without understanding them.
http://nypost.com/2016/06/19/nra-says-trumps-orlando-comments-defy-common-sense/
NRA says Trump’s Orlando comments ‘defy common sense’
By Marisa Schultz June 19, 2016 | 3:00pm
Donald Trump’s suggestion that armed clubgoers could have prevented the worst mass shooting in modern US history “defies common sense,†according to the National Rifle Association — which is backing the tycoon for president but on Sunday had two of its top officials taking rare exception with him.
“No one thinks that people should go into a nightclub drinking and carrying firearms,†Chris Cox, executive director of the NRA’s Institute for Legislative Action, told ABC’s “This Week.†“That defies common sense. It also defies the law.â€
Trump had fired up a Texas rally Friday by saying that if people at the Pulse nightclub in Orlando “had guns strapped . . . right to their waist or right to their ankle,†it would have been a “beautiful sight†to see them shoot “the son of a bitch.â€
Cox’s remarks Sunday echoed those of President Obama, who said last Thursday in Orlando that the notion that armed clubgoers could have averted the tragedy “defies common sense.â€
NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre said Sunday that pistol-packing revelers are not a good idea.
“I don’t think you should have firearms where people are drinking,†LaPierre told CBS’s “Face the Nation.†He later tweeted, “I want to clarify my comment: if you’re going to carry, don’t drink. OK to carry in restaurants that serve alcohol.â€
The NRA endorsed Trump in May, and the mogul has run on a platform of protecting gun owners and the Second Amendment and arming the law-abiding citizens to stop bad guys.
After Omar Mateen slaughtered 49 people at Pulse, Trump announced that he wanted to meet with the NRA. He urged the powerful gun lobby to agree to banning people on terrorism watch lists from buying guns.
“We have to make sure that people that are terrorists or have even an inclination toward terrorism cannot buy weapons, guns,†he told “This Week.â€
But LaPierre said such a ban would have had no effect in Orlando, since Mateen’s name had been removed from the list.
“NRA didn’t take the guy’s name off the list. The federal government did, FBI did, largely because of . . . some politically correct policies that I think I have been talking about earlier,†he told “Face the Nation.â€
Cox, who said the group has “conversations†with Trump often and confirmed a planned meeting, danced around whether the NRA and the mogul saw eye-to-eye on a watch-list ban, saying the FBI should investigate anyone on its radar who tries to buy a gun.
“If there’s a reason to believe in probable cause that they’re engaged in terrorist activity, they ought to not only be prevented from getting a firearm, they ought to be arrested,†Cox said.
“We want to make sure the terrorists don’t have access to firearms. We also want to make sure that law-abiding Americans have the common-sense ability to protect themselves when the government is failing.â€
The Senate will vote on a series of gun-control measures Monday.
The NRA has given its blessing to a proposal by Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas) that would allow authorities to block gun sales to a person on the terror watch list if they can show probable cause within three days. The Justice Department backs legislation by Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) calling for an outright ban on sales to suspected terrorists.
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Just like his stance on how women who have abortions "should be punished", Trump is trying to imitate what he imagines a conservative position to be without understanding them.
http://nypost.com/2016/06/19/nra-says-trumps-orlando-comments-defy-common-sense/
I gave a full "what the fuck are you talking about?" when I heard him say that someone should have had a gun in the bar. That's fucking stupid. Trump really needs to stop going out there and spouting off at the mouth. He called the mechanical bull a "horse" while in Texas. Really dude?
I think he says shit without thinking it through. I am sure his premise was for advocating gun rights, but come on man.
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I gave a full "what the fuck are you talking about?" when I heard him say that someone should have had a gun in the bar. That's fucking stupid. Trump really needs to stop going out there and spouting off at the mouth. He called the mechanical bull a "horse" while in Texas. Really dude?
I think he says shit without thinking it through. I am sure his premise was for advocating gun rights, but come on man.
Because he doesn't think like you or other conservatives. He wants you to think he does. He's like a pod person trying to imitate the positions of his base.
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I gave a full "what the fuck are you talking about?" when I heard him say that someone should have had a gun in the bar. That's fucking stupid. Trump really needs to stop going out there and spouting off at the mouth. He called the mechanical bull a "horse" while in Texas. Really dude?
I think he says shit without thinking it through. I am sure his premise was for advocating gun rights, but come on man.
This right here is what I've been saying all along. He apparently has no one in his ear, or at least no one that he will listen to, prepping him for what to say before he spouts off. The Orlando massacre has obviously been at the forefront of all the news. People want to know what Trump and Hilary and Obama have to say about it. What we get from Trump is, "Give those sissies a piece and let em' blow the sumbitch away". Woo Hoo!!!
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This right here is what I've been saying all along. He apparently has no one in his ear, or at least no one that he will listen to, prepping him for what to say before he spouts off. The Orlando massacre has obviously been at the forefront of all the news. People want to know what Trump and Hilary and Obama have to say about it. What we get from Trump is, "Give those sissies a piece and let em' blow the sumbitch away". Woo Hoo!!!
Serious, sincere question.
Y'all are perfectly ok with that kind of thoughtless hair trigger being the leader of the free world? You can't possibly foresee any problems that might cause?
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Serious, sincere question.
Y'all are perfectly ok with that kind of thoughtless hair trigger being the leader of the free world? You can't possibly foresee any problems that might cause?
My serious answer is the two remaining, viable candidates disgust me in just about every way. It's repulsive to me that I have to decide between these two and I honestly haven't made my mind up on what .I'm going to do. I'm scared for this country either way,
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My serious answer is the two remaining, viable candidates disgust me in just about every way. It's repulsive to me that I have to decide between these two and I honestly haven't made my mind up on what .I'm going to do. I'm scared for this country either way,
We are simpatico.
Except there is a third option. If people would stop feeding the self-fulfilling prophecy and jump on board we can save this country from its downfall.
Or not.
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Prob doesn't belong here but worth noting since you guys have been talking about trump the last page or so...but
Trump just fired his campaign manager.
Actually expected this 2 months ago when he hired Paul Manafort. Lewandowski is about as experienced in this large of a campaign as trump is. Which is 0. Prob a good move for trump as the current guy operates about like trump with no filter. Manafort will be more calculated in what trump says and does I think.
Lewandowski is also known for being the guy at the center of the scandal with Michelle fields. Assault, grabbing whatever you wanna call it. I honestly think the size of trumps campaign had outgrown him. Manafort is more built for his kind of campaign. He is a veteran who has worked with ford, Reagan and bush.
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We are simpatico.
Except there is a third option. If people would stop feeding the self-fulfilling prophecy and jump on board we can save this country from its downfall.
Or not.
Two things:
1. there are some huge glaring things I (and others) don't like about Johnson. Whether you or others like it or not, it's a glaring concern for some. And they are not trivial and to be glossed over. Austin Peterson was a much better 3rd party option to me.
2. Wanting him to be viable. And thinking he should be. Are both much different than him ever being viable. I would love a 3rd party to be viable. But it just isn't so right now. There is a hope and a reality. And they are far apart at the moment.
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I gave a full "what the fuck are you talking about?" when I heard him say that someone should have had a gun in the bar. That's fucking stupid. Trump really needs to stop going out there and spouting off at the mouth. He called the mechanical bull a "horse" while in Texas. Really dude?
I think he says shit without thinking it through. I am sure his premise was for advocating gun rights, but come on man.
So you leave your gun home when you go out?
I don't. The NRA is WRONG. I'm sure there were several people in that place NOT drinking and snorting coke.
I carry EVERYWHERE there are no metal detectors. Trump is right on this one!
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So you leave your gun home when you go out?
I don't. The NRA is WRONG. I'm sure there were several people in that place NOT drinking and snorting coke.
I carry EVERYWHERE there are no metal detectors. Trump is right on this one!
In Texas, you leave your gun at home or in the car when you are attending a place that has more than 51% of the sales in alcohol. It's illegal. And honestly, not smart if you are drinking.
But whatever...
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Businesses posting a compliant "51% sign" - It is a felony to carry a firearm while on the premises of a business that makes more than 51% of its revenue from the sale of alcoholic beverages for on-premises consumption (colloquially "bars", "nightclubs", "taverns", "saloons", etc.). A person with a CHL that is in violation has a defense that the establishment did not post the proper signage, as required by the Government Code section 411.204. The proper signage contains similar language as is required of all liquor license holders, but with the addition of a couple of words to prohibit licensed as well as unlicensed carry, and a background containing a red "51%" to make it obvious at a glance that the sign applies to CHL holders.
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Two things:
1. there are some huge glaring things I (and others) don't like about Johnson. Whether you or others like it or not, it's a glaring concern for some. And they are not trivial and to be glossed over. Austin Peterson was a much better 3rd party option to me.
2. Wanting him to be viable. And thinking he should be. Are both much different than him ever being viable. I would love a 3rd party to be viable. But it just isn't so right now. There is a hope and a reality. And they are far apart at the moment.
Unlike Peterson, Johnson AND HIS RUNNING MATE William Weld were both extremely successful two-term REPUBLICAN governors in VERY BLUE states.
That speaks to both of your points 1 & 2.
1. They are more Republican than Trump is. They have the credentials, the voting history, and frankly the stated policy positions to prove it.
2. They were hugely successful Republicans in Blue states, but can't be successful in a general? But Trump with his daily idiotic statements like the one we are discussing today, flip-flopping, and flat out left-authoritarian policies is somehow more viable? The Celebrity Apprentice guy?
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2. They were hugely successful Republicans in Blue states, but can't be successful in a general? But Trump with his daily idiotic statements like the one we are discussing today, flip-flopping, and flat out left-authoritarian policies is somehow more viable? The Celebrity Apprentice guy?
Not to speak for GH, but it looked like he was blaming the system and not the quality of candidate.
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In Texas, you leave your gun at home or in the car when you are attending a place that has more than 51% of the sales in alcohol. It's illegal. And honestly, not smart if you are drinking.
But whatever...
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GA does not have that law! Not sure what Orlando (FL) has.
And we have not had any issues with it so far!
So yes, whatever!
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Unlike Peterson, Johnson AND HIS RUNNING MATE William Weld were both extremely successful two-term REPUBLICAN governors in VERY BLUE states.
That speaks to both of your points 1 & 2.
1. They are more Republican than Trump is. They have the credentials, the voting history, and frankly the stated policy positions to prove it.
2. They were hugely successful Republicans in Blue states, but can't be successful in a general? But Trump with his daily idiotic statements like the one we are discussing today, flip-flopping, and flat out left-authoritarian policies is somehow more viable? The Celebrity Apprentice guy?
Related:
http://reason.com/blog/2016/06/17/4-other-reasons-to-be-bullish-on-gary-jo
4 Other Reasons to Be Bullish on Gary Johnson’s Polling
Beyond drawing nearly 10%, the Libertarian is disproportionally attracting independents and Millennials, despite low name recognition
Matt Welch|Jun. 17, 2016 3:05 pm
The headline interest in the Libertarian Party's prospects this November were tidily summed up by FiveThirtyEight three weeks ago: "Pay Attention To Libertarian Gary Johnson; He's Pulling 10 Percent vs. Trump And Clinton." That number has settled to about 9 percent nationwide since, but the basic set-up remains the same: Johnson is polling around four times higher than he was at this time in 2012, in a Black Swan political year featuring historically loathed and remarkably statist major-party candidates. It's an unprecedented opportunity for limited-government politics and argument.
And those aren't the only reasons for Libertarian (and libertarian) optimism lurking within these recent polls. Here are four more:
1) Pollsters are actually including Gary Johnson. Five of the seven national presidential election polls (as gathered by the ever-useful RealClearPolitics) since the Libertarian National Convention last month have also included Johnson. (He has averaged 10 percent in those.) The surveys that excluded Johnson, in case you want to send a candygram, were Rasmussen Reports and Economist/YouGov.
From the moment he sewed up the L.P. nomination, Johnson pivoted to one major message: include me in the polls. That's not as straightforward as you might expect—before the major-party conventions in 2012, for example, Johnson was also included in a total of five national polls, but only across five months, not two weeks. (He averaged slightly less than five percent in those.)
Ten percent is within shouting distance of 15 percent, which is the ticket to nationally televised presidential debates. It's also a nice round number that generates attention and headlines, in theory helping to inch those results still higher. If Johnson is being included in three-quarters of the national surveys and averaging double-digits in those, it's going to be awfully hard for polling companies to exclude him.
2) Johnson is competitive among the largest and fastest-growing political bloc: independents. The Libertarian candidate's single most shocking poll result thus far was a June 5-8 Fox News survey that found him edging out Hillary Clinton among independents, 23 percent to 22 percent (Donald Trump topped both, with 32 percent).
Johnson beating Clinton among independents is an outlier, but his overall competitiveness among that bloc is not. The former New Mexico governor averages twice as much support among non-Democrats/Republicans as he does overall.
Here's a quick snapshot in reverse chronological order of how the three leading presidential candidates are doing among independents. In the parentheses are the polls' universe of independents compared to Democrats and Republicans:
HC 24% DT 24% GJ 12%, Reuters/Ipsos June 11-15 (Dem/Rep/Ind 44%/34%/13%)
HC 30% DT 29% GJ 17%, CBS News June 9-13 (D/R/I 35%/29%/36%)
DT 30% HC 23% GJ 16%, Guardian/SurveyUSA June 8 (D/R/I 33%/26%/38%)
DT 32% GJ 23% HC 22%, Fox News June 5-8 (D/R/I 41%/35%/20%)
DT 33% HC 27% GJ 19%, IBD/TIPP May 31-June 5 (D/R/I 35%/31%/33%)
DT 36% HC 29% GJ 10%, Quinnipiac May 24-30, (D/R/I 35%/29%/26%)
For going on three decades, Gallup has been asking voters whether they consider themselves to be Democrats, Republicans, or independents. The latter category has held the top slot every month since December 2012, and every year since 2008. Independents were 33 percent of the electorate in 1988; 45 percent last month.
Independents are not automatically libertarians, but libertarians are more likely to appear among their ranks, and are far more likely to be independent themselves. More importantly, even those majority of independents who otherwise adhere predictably to one of the two main political groupings are still more open to ideas and politicians outside their tribe. Their disloyalty, combined with the shrinking popularity of party affiliation and America's ongoing calamity of misgovernance, make our political moment continuously dynamic and unpredictable.
When Gary Johnson and the L.P. do disproportionately well among a growing and dynamic political bloc, that softens the ground for more libertarian argumentation across the political spectrum. Particularly among the most unaffiliated demographic of them all, Millennials.
3) The Libertarian message is doing best among Snake People Millennials. In every presidential poll with an age breakdown conducted since the Libertarian National Convention, Gary Johnson has performed better among 18-to-34-year-olds than any other age group, usually by a lot.
Here is a list of how the three candidates are faring among Millennials, followed in parentheses by Johnson's overall support, and his second-most popular demographic:
HC 41% DT 27% GJ 10%, Guardian/SurveyUSA (6% overall, 6% for ages 50-64)
HC 38% DT 29% GJ 18%, Fox News (12% overall, 12% 35-54)
HC 29% DT 28% GJ 24% (ages 18-24), IBD/TIPP (11% overall, 16% 25-54)
HC 40% DT 28% GJ 8%, Quinnipiac (5% overall, 8% 35-49)
Many dreams have crashed on the rocky shores of Millennial political affection, but Gary Johnson certainly believes there's some there there, and he's joined in this analysis by pollster John Zogby, at the end of last month argued that "the Libertarians could have a breakthrough year," due to their potentially "very special appeal to Millennials." From Zogby's analysis:
They will decide the outcome in 2016. Donald Trump's support is miniscule among this group and Clinton does not generate any enthusiasm among younger voters because she appears to many to be a combination of too establishment and too disingenuous….To be sure, many will hold their nose and vote for Clinton because of their fear of a Trump victory. But the real question is will there be enough excitement to get Millennials out to vote. While early reports on the Libertarian ticket of former New Mexico governor Gary Johnson and former Massachusetts governor Bill Weld suggest that they may draw votes away from Trump, I think they may actually hurt Clinton even more. […]
Johnson and Weld just may have the most compelling message for Millennials. They are running as fiscal conservative purists and can draw from a group that is deeply concerned about both college debt and unparalleled public debt. And they are social libertarians: pro-choice, anti-government meddling in matters of personal privacy, decriminalization of most drugs, and they oppose United States meddling in foreign adventures and war. These young people are America's First Global generation and they are diverse and less inclined to see other peoples and cultures as the "other."
While this radiates more optimism than even I am willing to muster, it is worth noting that early polling does show Johnson to be pulling evenly from Clinton and Trump. Now just imagine if anyone actually knew who he was!
4) Nobody knows who Gary Johnson is, but they're willing to learn. The recent Bloomberg poll asked people to answer three questions about the candidates who were not their first choice: Could you ever support them, would you never support them, or are you not sure?
Only 6 percent of non-Hillary voters said that they could ever support her, and only 7 percent of non-Trumpites said they could conceive of Team Orange. Johnson? A full 22 percent of respondents imagined that they could vote for him, and a further 25 percent said they were not sure (compared to just 2 percent and 1 percent for Clinton and Trump, respectively). The Quinnipiac poll found that 83 percent didn't know enough about Johnson to have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of the man.
So will that change? CNN is hosting a townhall meet-the-Libertarians broadcast next week for Johnson and William Weld. Soon, millions of Americans will be in position to get to know the Libertarian ticket. It will be fascinating to see what they think.
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Not to speak for GH, but it looked like he was blaming the system and not the quality of candidate.
But I thought everyone here was team "Fuck the GOP" / "I'm voting for Trump to burn down the system"? Only when it suits your argument? Only when Trump commands you to say that?
I think if Trump (and Sanders for that matter) have proven anything it's that this election cycle is unlike any other and as is often said about the Iron Bowl, you can "throw out the history books".
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But I thought everyone here was team "Fuck the GOP" / "I'm voting for Trump to burn down the system"? Only when it suits your argument? Only when Trump commands you to say that?
I think if Trump (and Sanders for that matter) have proven anything it's that this election cycle is unlike any other and as is often said about the Iron Bowl, you can "throw out the history books".
Again, just my interpretation of what he said, but it read to me like "I'd love for a 3rd party to be viable...but until it is part of the regular election cycle, I'm voting for/against ______________."
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But I thought everyone here was team "Fuck the GOP" / "I'm voting for Trump to burn down the system"? Only when it suits your argument? Only when Trump commands you to say that?
I think if Trump (and Sanders for that matter) have proven anything it's that this election cycle is unlike any other and as is often said about the Iron Bowl, you can "throw out the history books".
Don't assume too too much. I say things at face value. And yes Wes is right in his assumption. I'm just disgusting by it all. Even the libertarians who I generally like, I don't think put the best guy up there. Gary Johnson just doesn't do it for me. I'm sure he's a nice guy and it's great he did well in New Mexico but I just have some concerns over him. And each party in this race , all 3 picked non optimal candidates. They all picked the candidates who were the most known, the loudest or who had the most money. Else you would have Austin Peterson, Cruz or Rubio, and Sanders or O Malley. Who I think ALL have more conviction than the ones that were actually put up there whether someone agrees with them or not.
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Again, just my interpretation of what he said, but it read to me like "I'd love for a 3rd party to be viable...but until it is part of the regular election cycle, I'm voting for/against ______________."
You complete me. Just for that next beers on me.
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GA does not have that law! Not sure what Orlando (FL) has.
And we have not had any issues with it so far!
So yes, whatever!
I'm with we!!
I love the 2a dude. I do. Love guns.
But with them comes some respect and common sense. I don't think it's the best idea in the world to have a room full of drunks with loaded guns even if law abiding. Shit happens. Tempers flare. That could be considered public endangerment if things escalate and innocent people could be the end result.
I don't think the 2a is wide open. You do need some common sense rules around it. Like we do any other right granted to us. We don't give guns to kids. Or baboons. We don't serve beer to 13 year olds. We don't let people slander other people even though we have 1a rights. All I'm saying is just exercise common sense. At the end of the day a gun is a deadly weapon and should be treated accordingly.
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I'm with we!!
I love the 2a dude. I do. Love guns.
But with them comes some respect and common sense. I don't think it's the best idea in the world to have a room full of drunks with loaded guns even if law abiding. Shit happens. Tempers flare. That could be considered public endangerment if things escalate and innocent people could be the end result.
I don't think the 2a is wide open. You do need some common sense rules around it. Like we do any other right granted to us. We don't give guns to kids. Or baboons. We don't serve beer to 13 year olds. We don't let people slander other people even though we have 1a rights. All I'm saying is just exercise common sense. At the end of the day a gun is a deadly weapon and should be treated accordingly.
There can be as many drunks as you like as long as the carrier is not drinking. That is GA law. It works!
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There can be as many drunks as you like as long as the carrier is not drinking. That is GA law. It works!
Yeah...I am sure there are a lot of people at the bar at 2:00 in the morning that do not drink.
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Yeah...I am sure there are a lot of people at the bar at 2:00 in the morning that do not drink.
Only those who are still trying to score.
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Yeah...I am sure there are a lot of people at the bar at 2:00 in the morning that do not drink.
Some of those 49 dead people might have liked the chance to complain about it...
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Some of those 49 dead people might have liked the chance to complain about it...
What does that even mean?
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In the wake of the mass murder of Texas police officers, the Imam in Chief immediately begins yapping about gun control.
Pathetic.
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In the wake of the mass murder of Texas police officers, the Imam in Chief immediately begins yapping about gun control.
Pathetic.
He is pathetic. No other way to put it. He is the antithesis of a patriot.
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https://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2018/07/450_people_in_florida_ordered.html
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https://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2018/07/450_people_in_florida_ordered.html
The laws have the backing of the NRA, which has pushed back on almost every other measure to curb gun ownership.
Weird right?
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It's a slippery slope. On the surface it sounds reasonable, but the opportunity to abuse this law is tremendous.
This operates on the assumption that the people accusing the individual are of pure intentions. If there is a documented medical case to be seen that is one thing. But a pissed off bitter spouse will scream anything to hurt someone.
I'm not sure this will stand as is written.
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In Texas, you leave your gun at home or in the car when you are attending a place that has more than 51% of the sales in alcohol. It's illegal. And honestly, not smart if you are drinking.
But whatever...
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Does the owner or bartenders not have access to protection in Texas?
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Does the owner or bartenders not have access to protection in Texas?
I'm sure that is a different set of laws. I was referring to the concealed carry laws for patrons.