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The Library => Haley Center Basement => Topic started by: Tiger Wench on May 21, 2015, 01:54:44 AM
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Anyone watch? I haven't watch him in years but I did tonight. Not sure why, maybe because I also watched Carson's last show, keeping the streak alive, whatever. Also maybe because decent late night talk shows a la Carson and Letterman are a dying breed. I'm sure the whippersnappers on here think that's a good thing, but only Letterman (or Carson before him) could have made that speech after 9/11 giving the nation the okay to laugh again.
I think Colbert is going to be horrible, worse than Conan, and that's saying a lot.
So Meh. I'm out too.
Thanks for the Top Ten Lists, stupid pet/human tricks, the Velcro wall, dropping fruit off the roof, and leaving with some dignity.
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Watched it and thought it was really good. I was a Dave fan from the time he was on in the a.m. He was unlike anything on TV at the time.
The last 10 years I lost my man crush. He was too political for me. I don't mind his liberal leanings but keep it off my Late Show. Thanks for the memories but I won't miss what I had stopped watching years ago.
X2 re: the 911 monologue.
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I didn't watch a second of it. The show died when he moved to CBS. Like WT said, he just became too political for my taste. He turned into a nasty and bitter liberal lickspittle the last few years.
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What the last two posters posted X100.
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Growing up, Dave always felt cooler and edgier... while Leno was for the old farts. I don't care what his political leanings are, I always dug his deadpan manner when telling jokes or watching him play the role of uncomfortable host during gags. He had some classic moments over the years but late night talk shows have become a relic in general. Any really worthwhile moments end up online and repeatedly encountered on my newsfeed or message board anyway, so rarely is there a need to tune in live.
In no way will it be the same but I actually think Colbert will end up being alright. The non-comedy Comedy Central character Colbert is a pretty smart entertainer.
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Plus, the way he handled the blackmail scandal was impressive.
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Watched. For old time's sake. Dave went on the air when I was 15 or so. My parents didn't think he was funny at all and that just made him more funny to me. Back in the pre-DirecTV days I used to watch his show more often than not. It was the background noise as my sleep timer ticked down. His show last night was not what I expected. A little tame and less emotional than I expected from it. (I did hate the ranting English guy who came on after him. No idea who it was, I was in another room working but could hear it).
Liked Letterman way more than Carson, exponentially more than Leno (what an assbag) and more than the rest they tried to run out there in the older days -- including Magic Johnson, Chevy Chase. I tried to like Arsenio, but his act (the first time around) was to noisy for me. The second time around it was like a time warp -- did we really just slide back into the 90s and parachute pants? -- and didn't connect. Conan is a non-factor really. but he doesn't do anything for me. I don't care for his humor usually.
I'm not hipster (or whatever) enough for Kimmel. He irritates me with his 'I'm cooler than you' smirk. I'm not smarmy (or whatever) enough for Jon Stewart, Colbert or that crew. I don't like their politicizing and it frightens me that so many, including some of the dearly departed here, looked to those clowns as legitimate news sources. You'll even see al.com run articles about what Stewart, that english guy I don't like, Colbert or some of those have to say about a topic. That's not news. Or shouldn't be. The late-late guys are unbearable. Even Seth Myers who was good on SNL is too much to take in the large dose of a talk-show format. And the guys with the funny accents? I never know what they are saying. Julia Roberts is on there and he's like "Sew, yah brambled aleen wad ya wee tyke, ahn pleece da beebah ohn da smutterin blankee, deed yah nouw?" I can't watch that.
Fallon I like. He's a lot like what Letterman was like in the early days. Letterman changed the whole dynamic of the talk show with his pet tricks and human tricks and Larry 'Bud' Melman. Fallon is now pushing the boundaries a little further and he's doing it well. His bits are consistently entertaining (as Dave's used to be) and he gets people to do things they normally wouldn't (like Dave used to do). If you haven't seen Christina Aguilera channel Cher, Britney and Shakira on his show, look that up on the YouTubes. Fallon's the only one worth watching now.
But I usually watch Law & Order instead.
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What the last two posters posted X100.
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What the last two posters posted X100.
You can't "what the last two posters posted" your own post. Especially not X100. That's not how it works. That's not how any of this works.
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Larry "Bud" Mellman, Flunky the Late Night Viewer Mail Clown, Chris Elliott, and the Viewer Mail Monkey made the show. I never could stand Paul Schaeffer, though.
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Larry "Bud" Mellman, Flunky the Late Night Viewer Mail Clown, Chris Elliott, and the Viewer Mail Monkey made the show. I never could stand Paul Schaeffer, though.
Got to like Paul.
His drummer Anton Fig sat in for Peter Criss on the KISS Unmasked album when the Cat was being bitchy and about to leave the band. Fig also played drums on Ace Frehley's solo albums. Shaffer himself worked with Peter on his albums after the CatMan went solo.
Shaffer also was a regular on the old SNL (played the piano for Bill Murray's lounge singer skits among other things). That was awesome.
He was part of The Honeydrippers.
And he helped write "It's Raining Men" (but is not gay).
Paul is crazy cool.
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Paul's not gay?
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Paul's not gay?
Guys who shave their head are.... Wait...Not all of them.
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Paul's not gay?
Wait, I thought he was dead.
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Letterman, not funny after his big liberal coming out party.
Rarely watched him before. never after.
i like my comedy sans wussification...
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Generally hate the format, but love Dave.
If you don't like Conan, then you just don't understand comedy. Apart from other eye-popping accomplishments, he was head writer on the Simpsons during their golden age. The man is fucking bona fide.
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Generally hate the format, but love Dave.
If you don't like Conan, then you just don't understand comedy. Apart from other eye-popping accomplishments, he was head writer on the Simpsons during their golden age. The man is fucking bona fide.
It's the hair. I can't get past the hair.
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I posted this before but one of the funniest Conan moments ever. Just the reaction to this random line.....
https://youtu.be/zo1kNGGEle0
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I like Fallon.
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I like Fallon.
Fallin' on this dick!!!
Oh, that's not what you said? Nevermind...
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If you don't like Conan, then you just don't understand comedy.
Disagree. Vehemently.
I've had this same statement said to me in regard to Will Ferrel. And Jim Carrey. And Monty Python. And Dave Chappelle. And Melissa McCarthy. And Seth McFarlane. And Dane Fucking Cook. And lots of other people. All were wrong. Or possibly right.
Comedy is subjective. What's funny to you isn't funny to me. It's kind of like the fart thing. Two types of people in the world. Those that can't help but laugh at the noise of a fart and those that can't laugh at it. Doesn't mean that the fart laughers are wrong or that the non-laughers are. Just that it works different ways for different people.
The Simpsons has never, ever, ever, ever been funny. Ever.
I may think Benny Hill is a comedic genius. Or Chris Rock. I may think Bill Murray has the potential to be really funny. Or that John Hughes wrote some of the best comedic films of all time. I may think that The Office was really funny. Or that Mike Judge (other than Beavis and Butthead) has a keen comedic sense.
But to say that if I don't like Conan I don't understand comedy? Pffffttttt. (Glad to be able to use that again).
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Generally hate the format, but love Dave.
If you don't like Conan, then you just don't understand comedy. Apart from other eye-popping accomplishments, he was head writer on the Simpsons during their golden age. The man is fucking bona fide.
Chopper hated the format too...
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Disagree. Vehemently.
I've had this same statement said to me in regard to Will Ferrel. And Jim Carrey. And Monty Python. And Dave Chappelle. And Melissa McCarthy. And Seth McFarlane. And Dane Fucking Cook. And lots of other people. All were wrong. Or possibly right.
Comedy is subjective. What's funny to you isn't funny to me. It's kind of like the fart thing. Two types of people in the world. Those that can't help but laugh at the noise of a fart and those that can't laugh at it. Doesn't mean that the fart laughers are wrong or that the non-laughers are. Just that it works different ways for different people.
The Simpsons has never, ever, ever, ever been funny. Ever.
I may think Benny Hill is a comedic genius. Or Chris Rock. I may think Bill Murray has the potential to be really funny. Or that John Hughes wrote some of the best comedic films of all time. I may think that The Office was really funny. Or that Mike Judge (other than Beavis and Butthead) has a keen comedic sense.
But to say that if I don't like Conan I don't understand comedy? Pffffttttt. (Glad to be able to use that again).
While I agree the list you provided is full of silly and non funny, I wouldn't quite put them in the same category as Conan. He has his moments. Most on that list haven't had one moment. Much less a solo gig.
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While I agree the list you provided is full of silly and non funny, I wouldn't quite put them in the same category as Conan. He has his moments. Most on that list haven't had one moment. Much less a solo gig.
Conan just isn't funny. He's sarcastic. He's wry. He's sardonic. He's pithy. He's mocking. He's derisive. But "comedy?"
No.
He's one in a long line of those who think "funny" comes from an air that they're smarter than somebody else and we're all in on the joke. That definition of humor doesn't work for me.
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Conan just isn't funny. He's sarcastic. He's wry. He's sardonic. He's pithy. He's mocking. He's derisive. But "comedy?"
No.
He's one in a long line of those who think "funny" comes from an air that they're smarter than somebody else and we're all in on the joke. That definition of humor doesn't work for me.
Well that begs the question, is he a comedian or a host?
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I loved Letterman back in the day. I loved his smart ass attitude.
One of my favorite interviews is below. Apparently, Letterman agreed not to ask Paris Hilton anything about her being in jail so she agreed to come on his show to promote her perfume. It took Letterman 30 seconds to start in on the prison talk and stay on it the whole interview. Brilliant! Fallon's lame ass wouldn't do this. He would be lipsynching with Paris or playing boogle or some shit.
You know the interview is going to be awesome when Dave introduces Paris as having "many talents"...while giving his smart ass sarcastic smirk...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxMcHunIo14 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxMcHunIo14)
"good for you. How did you like being in jail?" hahahahahahahah
How was the bologna?
Awesome!
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Most spot on statement so far: "Comedy is subjective."
That being said, I'm easy to please when it comes to comedy. And I'm just plain easy when you get a few drinks in me. I can laugh at just about anything and the list of performers I don't care for at all is similar to my Johnson...short.
I think you do place the majority of late night talk show hosts in the category of comedians, because the majority of them, including Letterman, got their starts in stand up comedy. They're there to host the show and do interviews, but it's their job to be funny first and foremost. Like many have said before, I grew tired of Letterman when too often, he veered into the area of political commentary and clearly took sides. But more than that, I thought the writing took a huge step back and he delivered it like he knew it and had grown tired of the whole thing. There were numerous times in recent years that I gave him a shot and just turned after a few minutes thinking, this just isn't funny in the least.
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I figure that as I'm considered by most as the most witty and hilarious poster on here, my opinion is likely sought by most of you. I've remained silent on the subject because it is certainly very subjective.
The main thing to realize is that you either have it or you don't.
I read through all of these lame humor attempts and same old tired schtick and wish I could help. Because it really sucks and is painful to read. But it's not something that can be learned. It's a gift bestowed at birth.
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I figure that as I'm considered by most as the most witty and hilarious poster on here, my opinion is likely sought by most of you. I've remained silent on the subject because it is certainly very subjective.
The main thing to realize is that you either have it or you don't.
I read through all of these lame humor attempts and same old tired schtick and wish I could help. Because it really sucks and is painful to read. But it's not something that can be learned. It's a gift bestowed at birth.
Actually, I don't like your format.
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Actually, I don't like your format.
Understandable. It's of a more intellectual nature.
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Monty Python mentioned earlier. Growing up, Python was extremely popular, but I couldn't stand the English brand of humor. Now, I hate that I missed out on all those years of laughing my ass off. Pontius Pilate with a speech impediment?
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You're conflating writing and performing, K.
Subjective comedy aside, you're dead fucking wrong about the Simpsons.
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Okay, this is just a copy/pasta from the wiki's....so you know it's 100% factual. :thumsup:
Not that this has anything to do with whether or not you find Conan funny. But just looking at his background...hey, not what I expected.
O'Brien was born in Brookline, Massachusetts. His father, Thomas Francis O'Brien, is a physician, epidemiologist, and professor of medicine at Harvard.[14][15][16] His mother, Ruth O'Brien (née Reardon), is an attorney and partner at the Boston firm Ropes & Gray.[17] He is the third of six children. O'Brien's family is Irish Catholic; some of his Irish ancestors immigrated before the American Civil War.[16] In a Late Night episode, O'Brien paid a visit to County Kerry, Ireland, where his ancestors originated.
O'Brien attended Brookline High School, where he served as the managing editor of the school newspaper, The Sagamore.[16] In his sophomore year, O'Brien was an intern for Congressman Robert Drinan[18] and in his senior year, he won the National Council of Teachers of English writing contest with his short story, "To Bury the Living".[19] After graduating as valedictorian in 1981, he entered Harvard University.[20] At Harvard, O'Brien lived in Holworthy Hall during his freshman year[21] and Mather House during his three upper-class years. He concentrated in history and literature and graduated magna cum laude[22] in 1985.[23] O'Brien's senior thesis concerned the use of children as symbols in the works of William Faulkner and Flannery O'Connor.[24] During college O'Brien briefly served as the drummer in a band called "The Bad Clams", was a writer for the Harvard Lampoon humor magazine,[25] and developed a spoof of the popular video game One on One: Dr. J vs. Larry Bird in which the Boston Celtics play against a classical ballet troupe.[26] During his sophomore and junior years he served as the Lampoon's president.[27] At this time, O'Brien's future boss at NBC, Jeff Zucker, was serving as President of the school's newspaper The Harvard Crimson.[28]
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If it weren't for Conan, we wouldn't have Triumph the Insult Comic Dog.
That's top shelf comedy .....
for me to poop on!
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I've always liked Conan. Actually, I've watched 50x more of him than Lettetman or Leno over last several years.
His style sort of reminds me of Mel Brooks for some reason.
I think the comparisons between comics, hosts, actors, writers, etc. is blurred in this thread.
Allow me to simplify.
Best late night host ever: Carson. By a large margin.
Best standup: I can't name just one. Loved Murray, Martin, Mitch and even James Gregory.
Best comedic actors: Bill Murray, Will Ferrell
Best writer/director: Mel Brooks
In order to meet Obama's diversity standard, honorable mentions to George Wallace (not the segregationist) and Dave Chappelle.
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Veering off a bit...
I showed the kids the classics "Who's on First?" Bit from Abbott and Costello. The kids laughed their asses off, then ran to show the clip to their friends. Who laughed their asses off too.
No bad words, no sex, nothing vulgar. Just simple humor, funny because it was funny. I grew up with the Stooges reruns and Looney Tunes cartoons. And I've made sure my kids watched them too. Nothing better than hearing them belly laugh at Yosemite Sam chasing Granny or all of Foghorn's feathers falling off, but it's okay because he keeps them numbered for just such an occasion.
So yes, humor and comedy is subjective, and I think it should be. No different than music or books. People like what they like and it doesn't make you right or wrong if you and person x disagree.
Unless you don't like the Stooges. Then you are obviously a humorless moron.
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Unless you don't like the Stooges. Then you are obviously a humorless moron.
^^This^^ All of it.
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You're conflating writing and performing, K.
Subjective comedy aside, you're dead fucking wrong about the Simpsons.
So says you. I don't care for lowbrow humor for the most part. I've watched numerous episodes (often with people like you who are trying to convince me just how hilarious it all is). It's not funny -- not in the very least -- to me. There's nothing about it that's funny at all. But I don't like South Park (just because you use vulgar words, that doesn't mean you're automatically funny). I don't like American Dad or Family Guy. Spare me the lecture about how it's a comedic masterpiece. It's crude, crass and vulgar. It caters to the lowest denominator as it pretends to be so much smarter than it truly is. I don't like Futurama. I don't like Clevelands or whatever that is. I don't mind laughing at people being stupid. And I can laugh at things that are crude as well. I still will occasionally laugh at Funniest Videos. I laughed at (even the vulgar) parts of A Million Ways.
Watched Kevin Hart's standup the other day. Funny stuff. I've seen a lot of good standup that doesn't translate when they try to be actors. Hart is able to do so (thus far). He sort of reminds me of Beverly Hills Cop Eddie Murphy, though. At some point you've got to do more than that laugh. He didn't have much else in the tank (or he got lazy). Hart will have to do more than be the little loud guy. Just like that elephantippo Melissa McCarthy will have to expand beyond the loud, obnoxious fat bitch if she ever wants to be anything that matters.
I can find humor in lots of places. Even Gallagher in his time had some humor.
Bugs Bunny? Funny guy. Animaniacs? Brilliant. Shrek (at first) and Puss had great comedic elements.
But Conan? Maybe he can write it. But his delivery doesn't work for me at all.
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That you think the Simpsons low-brow tells me that you've no clue about the show.
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That you think the Simpsons low-brow tells me that you've no clue about the show.
I'm more concerned that he may not laugh at farts.
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Best part of the whole show.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrVjOUIoo6Q
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Best part of the whole show.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrVjOUIoo6Q
Glad they took a break from fighting foo. I know the battle will never completely end. But it's good to step back from the war just for a while.