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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: Townhallsavoy on November 09, 2014, 01:10:06 AM
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Auburn
- That was a top five loss in my history as an Auburn fan. I don't think I need to list the reasons why that loss sucked ass, but it was right there with 2006 Arkansas and 2006 Georgia but at least in those games, we were shit-canned from start to finish.
- At this point, Ellis Johnson needs to go. I guess. We're giving up 425 yards per game against SEC opponents. 486 yards per game in our last four games.
- And what's most concerning is the redundancy every week. Slant route, deep route, we're fucked. We don't cover them. We don't tackle after the catch. We look weak, slow, out of position. The defense is just plain bad. At least with Roof, we would make adjustments at halftime to gain some ground.
- Speaking of Roof, in 2009, we gave up 374 yards per game with our worst four game stretch being 409 yards per game. In 2010, we gave up 368 yards per game with our worst four game stretch being 399 yards per game. In 2011, we gave up 408 yards per game with our worst four game stretch being 477 yards per game (that was the first four games of the season, and afterwards, we gave up 400+ yards of offense just once for the rest of the season).
- I think Ted Roof and Gene Chizik were a better defensive tandem than Gus Malzahn and Ellis Johnson.
- Yes, last season, we gave up 396 yards per game. However, if you take away the shut down performances against Western Carolina and Florida Atlantic, we gave up 420 yards per game. Our worst four game stretch last season, we gave up 486 yards per game.
- I am not one to believe that an offensive mind is detrimental to a defense in the same way that a defensive mind is detrimental to an offense. A defensive minded coach may run the ball up the middle twice, throw play action on third down all with the hopes of running clock, giving the defense a rest, and setting up a good punt. An offensive minded coach may score too quickly, but if a defense early in the game can force a few three and outs or just a few punts, then the score can get out of hand quickly. Just look at what Oregon does to opponents in the Pac 12.
- Gus Malzahn has to figure out a way to field a quality defense. Our offense is averaging 506 yards per game including the A&M game. We average 38 points per game. That's plenty of yards. That's enough points. You should not lose a football game if you rack up 582 yards of offense like we did today.
- Some may say an offense like Malzahn's scores too quickly and that the defense is too tired to shut down opponents. I understand that. That's fine. We may give up 21-28 points a game against tough opponents if we're scoring 38 points and racking up 506 yards of offense. But to allow two touchdowns in the first three minutes of a game? Twice this season? And fuck the turnover excuses. I've watched Alabama (again tonight) save its pathetic offense's ass with sound defense after being put in a bind. It is possible to make tackles, rush the passer, guard a pass, swat a ball away, make an interception, strip the ball, get a sack, hold them to 10 yards or less. It is. Gus needs to figure it out.
- I'm depressed about the ending. Those two fumbles hurt. Hurt me in my heart. Honestly, I've seen enough Auburn football to not get too worked up over losses or Auburn playing poorly. I don't like it. I get riled up for a minute when it's happening. But I understand that we aren't going to go undefeated every year. We're going to run into stiff competition. We're going to have bad games. We're going to have down years, heartbreaks.
- But I've never seen that. Not that bad of a loss. I haven't been that enraged about a college football game since 2008.
- It'll be interesting to see how Gus handles the rest of the season. One thing about being an Auburn fan and Auburn player is that you don't get an easy finish. @Georgia, @Alabama, and they're our two biggest rivals. Does Gus know how to keep the team motivated when championships aren't on the table?
Alabama
- Lucky pieces of shit.
- Bama looked like dogshit most of the game if you didn't watch. Amari "Gary Danielson Has Lots of Jizz For" Cooper had some bad drops. One good catch and run, but other than that, meh.
- Blake Sims can't do anything if the stadium isn't quiet. He gets Tuscaloosa to finish out the season, so I'm sure he'll look good. Looked like Kiehl Frazier in Baton Rouge.
- Can't say I shed any tears when Yeldon got hurt. Karma...
Karma
- Speaking of, to the people of the world (including Auburn fans) who are saying that Marshall and Dismuke's fumbles were "karma," violently go fuck yourselves you bunch of ignorant morons. There is no bad karma involved if Auburn didn't commit any crimes. I'm sorry Treadwell got hurt. I'm sorry a Bama fan published a shitty picture in a small town newspaper. No Auburn fan cheered that injury last Saturday night. We didn't deserve anything to happen to us. Those fumbles were just some buffoonery that we don't typically see in a Gus Malzahn offense.
Jameis Winston
- BB guns, rape, crab legs, obscene comments, point shaving, one of the GOATS without em?
- If Winston wasn't such a dumbshit future felon, where is he in college football lore? He's on a fairly craptastic team with a mediocre coach known in the past for dropping a few games a year that he shouldn't, and he's led them to a 25 game winning streak, the longest streak since Miami from 2000-2002. He also turns it on big time if his team is down.
LSU and Anyone Else That Does This
- I will never understand why teams line up against Alabama in two tight end-fullback I formations and try to play muscle ball. You just aren't going to bowl over a Nick Saban coached team. Even if you are a powerhouse that can slam multiple running backs into a stuffed line of scrimmage, how many yards are you going to get? 4? It's a stupid strategy.
Every Team
- Every team seems to have something they can't do. Auburn hasn't defended a pass since 2008. Even with Tuberville, I remember us bitching all the time that we would never look back for the ball. Auburn hasn't defended a pass since Carlos Rogers was there.
- Alabama can't kick field goals. LSU can't pass the ball. Texas A&M can't play defense. Oklahoma can't not choke. Georgia can't escape adversity whether it's injuries, suspensions, or transfers.
Final Thought
- Today's game was indicative of our entire season. Loads of talent. Loads of potential. We are better than them. But too many bonehead mistakes to win it all.
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Well done TH.
Have been through too many of these heartbreakers to sink too low and this type of feeling is far different than getting run on a rail like you indicated.
As I watched the TAMU sideline I thought of LA Monroe. Sumlin had a plan with a new kid and we had no answers which in my estimation indicates we were not playoff worthy and this opponent is now like Tuberville's Arky. We will have to absorb more of this TAMU, Sumlin hype in the coming seasons while other teams can throat punch them every year.
Genius has it we don't continue on this skid though as Athens,GA and Turdville should be put on high alert meaning if we have the Head Coach we all think Malzahn is then he will answer in a most definitive way irregardless of our flaws on the defensive side of the ball. The man started his coaching career on that side and he cannot NOT know defense to be such a renowned offensive mind. It's no secret how I feel about our bend but blitz defense and this should be E.J.'s final year in this capacity and once the carousel starts someone should be available. This can't continue if we are to compete for players and titles in the SEC West and beyond.
On a lesser note: Jameis Winston is a crappy individual outside of the lines but a true leader with tremendous skills as a college player. Don't know how it plays out but Fisher has a far better supporting cast than any of us give him credit. They just play very inconsistently like a young team that loses key players to the NFL.
I only disagree with you about Amari Cooper because I can picture Alabama without him just as we were without Sammy early on and now Duke. I don't get all of the Jerry Rice comparisons by the media but he can really do some damage if not accounted for and should perform very well on the next level when a lone corner has to match up with him.
He can ball.
*I saw Duke get low-dived on a straightened leg and I don't want him to try to play under any circumstance even if a doctor claims he can't do any more damage by doing so. Sammy is going to have his injury repaired asap and as a fan of the game I don't care to see us playing guys that limp around with a heavy brace.
WDE!
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Auburn
Ninjas, please. 783 million people do not have access to clean water and almost 2.5 billion do not have access to adequate sanitation. That's a tragedy. Auburn losing a football game is quite small in grand scheme.
Oh it stings, no doubt, but it happens.
Let us not forget that Gus for all the good he has done is still figuring out this head coach in college thing. It takes time to be a molder of coaches on both sides of the ball. We do need some changes on defense, I agree. Maybe a change philosophy, coaching, and approach would complete the overhaul. We also need to figure out a consistent intermediate passing game to go along with this double bad ass running game.
Alabama
Lucky as they always are and generally aided by opponent stupidity. LSU didn't even try for the TD after Yeldon fumbled and that botched pooch kick was classic LSU brain fart.
Speaking of Yeldon, let this be a notice to every player who goes there. You WILL play with injury. Not just banged up but with injury. Yeldon's ankle should have kept him off the field. But because Derrick
Henry is all look like Tarzan run like Jane's sister, Yeldon had to go carry the load. He's not the first. One and won't be the last one to roll into the NFL with significant injury issues.
Oh and Mississippi State will clean their clock if they pull that stuff next week.
Florida State
It's too bad Jameis Winston is such an off the field mess because on the field, he's special.
Oregon
Fast and overrated. I'm rooting for Arizona State to cancel their ticket to the dance.
Now on to Georgia who is apparently preparing for a "revenge" blackout. Let's hope Gus and co. Can spoil that like milk left in the refrigerator door.
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Notice how much better we were with both Whitehead and Mincy in the game? Second half yielded only 6 points. But why? Because of my first statement? Adjustments? Problem is the first half also happened. The continuous putting ourselves in a hole and having to dig out is getting old. We eliminate the 1st quarter of every game this year and were probably the best team in the country. It's frustrating.
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Auburn
Ninjas, please. 783 million people do not have access to clean water and almost 2.5 billion do not have access to adequate sanitation. That's a tragedy. Auburn losing a football game is quite small in grand scheme.
Oh it stings, no doubt, but it happens.
Let us not forget that Gus for all the good he has done is still figuring out this head coach in college thing. It takes time to be a molder of coaches on both sides of the ball. We do need some changes on defense, I agree. Maybe a change philosophy, coaching, and approach would complete the overhaul. We also need to figure out a consistent intermediate passing game to go along with this double bad ass running game.
Alabama
Lucky as they always are and generally aided by opponent stupidity. LSU didn't even try for the TD after Yeldon fumbled and that botched pooch kick was classic LSU brain fart.
Speaking of Yeldon, let this be a notice to every player who goes there. You WILL play with injury. Not just banged up but with injury. Yeldon's ankle should have kept him off the field. But because Derrick
Henry is all look like Tarzan run like Jane's sister, Yeldon had to go carry the load. He's not the first. One and won't be the last one to roll into the NFL with significant injury issues.
Oh and Mississippi State will clean their clock if they pull that stuff next week.
Florida State
It's too bad Jameis Winston is such an off the field mess because on the field, he's special.
Oregon
Fast and overrated. I'm rooting for Arizona State to cancel their ticket to the dance.
Now on to Georgia who is apparently preparing for a "revenge" blackout. Let's hope Gus and co. Can spoil that like milk left in the refrigerator door.
Times up in this league. You don't ever learn it all but you can rarely teach an old dog like EJ anything new that he hasn't seen and just like that Todd Grantham was a hit that quickly turned to a goat. Sometimes though you just have to get a different perspective to see the difference between playing badly and just flat out looking silly and helpless, especially when it remains something more than a trend.
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Notice how much better we were with both Whitehead and Mincy in the game? Second half yielded only 6 points. But why? Because of my first statement? Adjustments? Problem is the first half also happened. The continuous putting ourselves in a hole and having to dig out is getting old. We eliminate the 1st quarter of every game this year and were probably the best team in the country. It's frustrating.
Why are we not adjusted to start the game? We are 3/4 through the season, I think we know what most teams are going to try and do. Except for the cupcakes (and lsu) it seems like we are down points before our game clock breaks (again).
If Gus is the coach we all hope him to be, decisions have to be made on the defensive side of the ball.
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I am not making excuses for Johnson by any means, but I truly don't think we have the horses in the secondary to be worth a shit. Does Whitehead make that much difference? It damn sure looks like it. Auburn didn't give up a TD last night after 10:00 to go in the second quarter. Hell, one of our corners is a 4th year senior that has played corner at the collegiate level for under a year. Did we think that Trovon was that good of an athlete to just switch over the the defense and get significant playing time? Or did the guys back there just suck ass?
The first TD was a completely blown coverage. Is that the players fucking up or Johnson not getting them prepared? I don't know.
The second TD was a really good back shoulder throw where Mincy had good coverage. He just can't make a play on the ball. Is that Johnson's fault not getting him prepared or is he just not that good? I don't know.
One of the other TD's is where Mincy let a guy completely inside for an easy slant. It looked like Trovon had inside leverage up top but Mincy let his guy free to the middle. Did they have bracket coverage and the safety not get over in time or did the slight outside move which Mincy bit on just beat Mincy? How does Mincy not have inside leverage when they play man? Is that by design? Is Mincy not coached that in practice? Or does Mincy just fucking suck? I don't know.
On one of their long runs in the 4th quarter, there were 3 Auburn players that met the RB in the backfield which should have been stopped for a loss. 2 of them were secondary players. The RB juked all 3 of them and ran for a long gain. Is the defense not practicing tackling or getting them prepared enough? Or are they just not that good? I don't know.
I like Therezie, but that dude is average at best in defending the pass. He got completely burned all night in the S. Carolina game and a couple of times yesterday.
I doubt there is going to be much change from a defensive coaching perspective after the season for the reasons I just mentioned. Again, they didn't score an offensive TD for the last 40 minutes of the ball game. 95% of the time, that equates to a win, and probably a blowout.
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Auburn
Ninjas, please. 783 million people do not have access to clean water and almost 2.5 billion do not have access to adequate sanitation. That's a tragedy. Auburn losing a football game is quite small in grand scheme.
GFY.
There are other places to discuss the plight of Bama fans. Nobody gives a damn that they have to piss and shit in the street because their outhouses are backed up. That's not what this place is for.
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Just a note: Montravious Adam's shows one assist for the game. What kind of stat line is that for one of the most active big men Auburn has had throughout the years?
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I am not making excuses for Johnson by any means, but I truly don't think we have the horses in the secondary to be worth a shit. Does Whitehead make that much difference? It damn sure looks like it. Auburn didn't give up a TD last night after 10:00 to go in the second quarter. Hell, one of our corners is a 4th year senior that has played corner at the collegiate level for under a year. Did we think that Trovon was that good of an athlete to just switch over the the defense and get significant playing time? Or did the guys back there just suck ass?
The first TD was a completely blown coverage. Is that the players fucking up or Johnson not getting them prepared? I don't know.
The second TD was a really good back shoulder throw where Mincy had good coverage. He just can't make a play on the ball. Is that Johnson's fault not getting him prepared or is he just not that good? I don't know.
One of the other TD's is where Mincy let a guy completely inside for an easy slant. It looked like Trovon had inside leverage up top but Mincy let his guy free to the middle. Did they have bracket coverage and the safety not get over in time or did the slight outside move which Mincy bit on just beat Mincy? How does Mincy not have inside leverage when they play man? Is that by design? Is Mincy not coached that in practice? Or does Mincy just fucking suck? I don't know.
On one of their long runs in the 4th quarter, there were 3 Auburn players that met the RB in the backfield which should have been stopped for a loss. 2 of them were secondary players. The RB juked all 3 of them and ran for a long gain. Is the defense not practicing tackling or getting them prepared enough? Or are they just not that good? I don't know.
I like Therezie, but that dude is average at best in defending the pass. He got completely burned all night in the S. Carolina game and a couple of times yesterday.
I doubt there is going to be much change from a defensive coaching perspective after the season for the reasons I just mentioned. Again, they didn't score an offensive TD for the last 40 minutes of the ball game. 95% of the time, that equates to a win, and probably a blowout.
One game of this and its a bad game, two years of this and the defense getting worst all the time is coaching. So we didn't give up a touchdown in the last 40 minutes, we were so shitastic the first 20 minutes they didn't need to score. Under CJE we just don't seem to put a solid FULL game together against good teams. (and A&M was not even a good team)
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One game of this and its a bad game, two years of this and the defense getting worst all the time is coaching. So we didn't give up a touchdown in the last 40 minutes, we were so shitastic the first 20 minutes they didn't need to score. Under CJE we just don't seem to put a solid FULL game together against good teams. (and A&M was not even a good team)
No way I question EJ as an evaluator of talent. So what is it that leaves us reeling in every game since LSU?
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No way I question EJ as an evaluator of talent. So what is it that leaves us reeling in every game since LSU?
I guess my question is that every where he has gone defenses have gotten better under him, the why are we getting worst?
Are the players CGC players? His talent evaluation is suspect at best?
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No way I question EJ as an evaluator of talent. So what is it that leaves us reeling in every game since LSU?
Complacency on all sides of the ball at practice which rolls over to game time.
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Seen a lot of focus on the scoring plays.
Those don't bother me. It's ALL the other plays that piss me off.
They drove 95 yards for a score. How many times did we have them in third and longish only to jump offsides? Why can't we get off the field on third down? Why are screens and slants open on every single play?
I watched LSU against Alabama last night. They kept their offense completely in check. Other than a dumbass interception late in the first half that gave Alabama a cheap score, their offense couldn't do a damn thing. Why? Pressure on Sims who is an average to shitty quarterback. He's fucking terrible. And they played tight coverage on the Tide wideouts. They pressed them at the line of scrimmage and had safety help over the top.
UNTIL....
The last fucking idiotic stupid cocksucking Alabama drive. They'd killed them all night by playing up and forcing the mediocre Tide receivers to fight off the line. With a lead and the chance to win a huge game? WHY the FUCKING FUCK did they back off and give them the underneath stuff? I understand that you want to keep the receivers in front of you conceptually, but why, why, why WHY give that doofus a chance to make easy throws and move the ball into field goal range? As soon as I saw how LSU was lined up on the last series, I threw up my hands into two birds at the screen and screamed DAMN YOU, CHAVIS YOU IDIOTIC BASTARD. My LSU fan friend didn't understand until she saw it unfold before her eyes.
Losing to Texas A&M didn't exactly hurt. It hurt because we pissed away chances to be something really special this season, but it really pissed me off more than anything. We haven't improved. If anything we've regressed. That's a concern. We should be way better than A&M. We're better than MSU. We shouldn't have been close with SC. Or Old Piss. We've played ONE game all season where we had it together and skull fucked LSU. We could do that to anybody and everybody. Disappointing that we don't.
We're like the fucking Braves. Trot out a kid who's never played and he'll no hit the Braves.
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Agree with Kaos on LSU's defense on last Bama drive. The entire second half they were pressing Bama and it was working to perfection, then with 55 seconds they decide to give a cushion and quit pressuring the shitty QB. Almost every defense I watch does this on the last drive of the game when the other team is trying to catch up, it almost always fails. Prevent defense is crap. We seem to implement that game plan 80% of the two time which is why we keep getting shredded for 5,10 and 15 yard passes. When we play tight man and put some pressure on the QB our success rate defending the pass is much improved. I understand playing zone and not pressing the WR's to not give up the big play but when we consistently do that anyway, why fucking not play press man coverage with one safety over the top?
Gus's game plan to allow opponents to score but we will score more points has proven to work more times than not. As a fan it is exciting to watch but also very nerve racking. It's impressive to know that we can spot opponents 14+ and still have a chance to win because of our explosive offense. I just can't seem to think how dominant we would be if we had a good not great defense.
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The last fucking idiotic stupid cocksucking Alabama drive. They'd killed them all night by playing up and forcing the mediocre Tide receivers to fight off the line. With a lead and the chance to win a huge game? WHY the FUCKING FUCK did they back off and give them the underneath stuff? I understand that you want to keep the receivers in front of you conceptually, but why, why, why WHY give that doofus a chance to make easy throws and move the ball into field goal range? As soon as I saw how LSU was lined up on the last series, I threw up my hands into two birds at the screen and screamed DAMN YOU, CHAVIS YOU IDIOTIC BASTARD. My LSU fan friend didn't understand until she saw it unfold before her eyes.
LSU does that every time they play Alabama for some reason. Press coverage all game, and it works. End of the game on a crucial drive, they play off coverage. Drives the LSU boards absolutely crazy. You would think that Chavis would have figured this out by now. Miles is probably too busy eating grass to notice.
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LSU does that every time they play Alabama for some reason. Press coverage all game, and it works. End of the game on a crucial drive, they play off coverage. Drives the LSU boards absolutely crazy. You would think that Chavis would have figured this out by now. Miles is probably too busy eating grass to notice.
I have noticed that also.
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GFY.
I forgive you. I really do. May you find peace with whatever makes you angry. It is not my intention to provoke such vitriol.
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I didn't realize that our defense stepped up after the first twenty minutes. Kudos for the adjustments, but again, the first twenty minutes were that bad.
My point that I didn't really clarify is that from 2009 until 2011, we all were absolutely adamant that Ted Roof was the problem. We were certain that Roof's defensive strategy was piss poor, bend-don't-break-but-always-breaks and that if we just had a good defensive coordinator, Chizik and Gus would rule the world.
And in 2012 we thought Van Gorder would save us, but he didn't.
Now we have a guy that supposedly is one of the better, more experienced coordinators in the game, but he's actually worse than Ted Roof.
On another note, CAP has better numbers than Mason except Mason had three more touchdowns at this point. Mason's final numbers are also a bit inflated with the 300+ yard performance against Missouri. But CAP is on pace for more yards per game.
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My point that I didn't really clarify is that from 2009 until 2011, we all were absolutely adamant that Ted Roof was the problem. We were certain that Roof's defensive strategy was piss poor, bend-don't-break-but-always-breaks and that if we just had a good defensive coordinator, Chizik and Gus would rule the world.
And in 2012 we thought Van Gorder would save us, but he didn't.
Now we have a guy that supposedly is one of the better, more experienced coordinators in the game, but he's actually worse than Ted Roof.
The pattern I see here is guys who have been doing this for a while and not changing with the game. We need young new innovative coaching blood on the defensive side.
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The pattern I see here is guys who have been doing this for a while and not changing with the game. We need young new innovative coaching blood on the defensive side.
If you look at where many coordinators have been it's often not a head coaching change that precipitates their leaving but them wearing out their welcome with back to back poor showings at another program.
A head coach will often laud their own hiring of a seasoned coordinator and the fanbase generally buys the addition because they are caught up with all of the new energy and cheerleading that comes with the new regime that replaces the failed old one.
The points against column is the one that former players and experts point to that define a defense.
I don't care for our keep it close, win it at the end, have more left in the tank than our opponents philosophy. Doesn't matter what I think.
What matters is that Gus values continuity of the staff and is very loyal toward that end. JMO but I doubt CEJ will be cut loose as long as our HC feels we have a chance to win with the guy. Sumlin is probably another that thinks he can outscore you in spite of subpar defense.
But on certain occaisions we all know you can't allow these teams to hang around because it eventually catches up with you...hence we observe these teams that always seem to drop a game that they had no business losing.
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The pattern I see here is guys who have been doing this for a while and not changing with the game. We need young new innovative coaching blood on the defensive side.
IF......big IF, we are going to do that - someone like Manny Diaz comes to mind.
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The pattern I see here is guys who have been doing this for a while and not changing with the game. We need young new innovative coaching blood on the defensive side.
No. Talent is lacking. And we need player leadership.
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No. Talent is lacking. And we need player leadership.
Granted there might be some talent issues. But if that is the case then our opponents are killing us in the development phase. We haven't been getting beat out for kids that play DB. Front seven is a different story. Leadership is character based and some of that is learned or is a by-product of the coaches.
Other teams have similar issues. Players graduate and there is attrition. But with the exception of 2011-'12, Auburn has the same damn chance every season to get it right as does every other team.
That we play inconsistently, sandbag or lie in wait to play harder for certain portions of a game is mind boggling. WTF does any of this have to do with getting lined up right and applying proper technique in coverage on a receiver, or tackling?
CEJ is hand picking larger corners with more reach and enough speed to handle the large receivers we face. But that doesn't excuse the failures NOW. A staff should do its best when challenged. Bill Oliver would tell you straight up that anybody can coach the best cover guys, the best leaders.
Auburn isn't alone in this search. Our opponents either succeed or fail in the same regards to these same issues. I just think we are failing when it keeps happening at this level-OUR LEVEL!
And our level contends for titles.
We shouldn't be stinking up the joint with shoddy play.
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No. Talent is lacking. And we need player leadership.
The uptick in play when Whitehead and Mincy are in the game proves you are correct IMHO.
After they were both in the game on a regular basis, we looked slightly better than average. Time for Gustav to end the guy's prison sentence and start him again.
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The uptick in play when Whitehead and Mincy are in the game proves you are correct IMHO.
After they were both in the game on a regular basis, we looked slightly better than average. Time for Gustav to end the guy's prison sentence and start him again.
First time in a while we can say LBs are pretty good. The DL is pretty good but obviously lacking a pass rush threat on the ends. This is the first part of the problem. The other part is the DBs are not so great. With that, the opposing QBs are looking for a festival of stats.
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My biggest beef in watching the defense against both Cackalacky and aTm was that our corners are playing press man coverage and letting the receivers get inside. On. Every. Damn. Play.
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The uptick in play when Whitehead and Mincy are in the game proves you are correct IMHO.
After they were both in the game on a regular basis, we looked slightly better than average. Time for Gustav to end the guy's prison sentence and start him again.
I've heard Whitehead was actually suspended for talking back to a coach concerning the lack of coaching he was getting. Is there any truth to this?
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Yeah, the whole defense thing is mind boggling. The last few weeks, it's been a consistent pattern of giving up massive chunks of yardage and points early....adjust.....and hope the offense does it's thing. Even though the offense had 30+ first downs and almost 600 yards, the "luck" finally did run out.
No, our DB's are not good. That's the understatement of the century. But to me, I can't grasp why a senior dominated defensive line simply can't whip the guy in front of them more often than not. We can point fingers at Ellis Johnson all day long but sometimes, it just comes down to a senior like Gabe Wright, owning the guy in front of him and blowing up the backfield. Sometimes, you have to go Nick Fairley and bring the pain.
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Yeah, the whole defense thing is mind boggling. The last few weeks, it's been a consistent pattern of giving up massive chunks of yardage and points early....adjust.....and hope the offense does it's thing. Even though the offense had 30+ first downs and almost 600 yards, the "luck" finally did run out.
No, our DB's are not good. That's the understatement of the century. But to me, I can't grasp why a senior dominated defensive line simply can't whip the guy in front of them more often than not. We can point fingers at Ellis Johnson all day long but sometimes, it just comes down to a senior like Gabe Wright, owning the guy in front of him and blowing up the backfield. Sometimes, you have to go Nick Fairley and bring the pain.
This. Every stinking bit of it.
It should also be noted that there is a depth problem when you have a guy that had been a WR for three years and was never able to crack the rotation there, but moves to DB and does so.
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Yeah, the whole defense thing is mind boggling. The last few weeks, it's been a consistent pattern of giving up massive chunks of yardage and points early....adjust.....and hope the offense does it's thing. Even though the offense had 30+ first downs and almost 600 yards, the "luck" finally did run out.
No, our DB's are not good. That's the understatement of the century. But to me, I can't grasp why a senior dominated defensive line simply can't whip the guy in front of them more often than not. We can point fingers at Ellis Johnson all day long but sometimes, it just comes down to a senior like Gabe Wright, owning the guy in front of him and blowing up the backfield. Sometimes, you have to go Nick Fairley and bring the pain.
Probably the best analysis of the defense I have seen.
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Probably the best analysis of the defense I have seen.
He's not the best colorman in the league for nothing, folks!
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I've heard Whitehead was actually suspended for talking back to a coach concerning the lack of coaching he was getting. Is there any truth to this?
Stronger rumor is that he threw punches at a coach but who knows.
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No. Talent is lacking. And we need player leadership.
Damn right. Name one player on our D that is elite? Monty? Nope, too inconsistent. Gabe? No, he is too.
Granted there might be some talent issues. But if that is the case then our opponents are killing us in the development phase.
Having players in the right place to make plays is scheming. That is on your D coordinator. Getting them to execute and knowing what to do to make those plays comes down to position coaching, imo. They are either not getting it done or we don't have the talent. I go with lack of talent.
My biggest beef in watching the defense against both Cackalacky and aTm was that our corners are playing press man coverage and letting the receivers get inside. On. Every. Damn. Play.
Again, to me that is on the position coaches.
Yeah, the whole defense thing is mind boggling. The last few weeks, it's been a consistent pattern of giving up massive chunks of yardage and points early....adjust.....and hope the offense does it's thing. Even though the offense had 30+ first downs and almost 600 yards, the "luck" finally did run out.
No, our DB's are not good. That's the understatement of the century. But to me, I can't grasp why a senior dominated defensive line simply can't whip the guy in front of them more often than not. We can point fingers at Ellis Johnson all day long but sometimes, it just comes down to a senior like Gabe Wright, owning the guy in front of him and blowing up the backfield. Sometimes, you have to go Nick Fairley and bring the pain.
Gabe, Whitaker, Blackson are just like Fairley was his junior year. Unlike Fairley, it clicked his senior year and for those three seniors it never has.
This. Every stinking bit of it.
It should also be noted that there is a depth problem when you have a guy that had been a WR for three years and was never able to crack the rotation there, but moves to DB and does so.
I can't believe that I bought into the hype that we were ok and that Reed was a good enough athlete to make the transition and wouldn't miss a beat. :facepalm:
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I didn't realize that our defense stepped up after the first twenty minutes. Kudos for the adjustments, but again, the first twenty minutes were that bad.
Don't worry. You didn't realize it because it didn't look or feel as though that were the case. Sure, there were more times than in the first half where AU finally stepped up and made a stop but there were just as many times that TAMU were picking us apart with ease.
All I want is discipline and consistency, not this feast or famine BS. Auburn defense shouldn't feel like that.
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Yeah, the whole defense thing is mind boggling. The last few weeks, it's been a consistent pattern of giving up massive chunks of yardage and points early....adjust.....and hope the offense does it's thing. Even though the offense had 30+ first downs and almost 600 yards, the "luck" finally did run out.
No, our DB's are not good. That's the understatement of the century. But to me, I can't grasp why a senior dominated defensive line simply can't whip the guy in front of them more often than not. We can point fingers at Ellis Johnson all day long but sometimes, it just comes down to a senior like Gabe Wright, owning the guy in front of him and blowing up the backfield. Sometimes, you have to go Nick Fairley and bring the pain.
Agree...esp on the EJ part. You can even see that on most plays, scheme wise, he puts them in position to MAKE plays....they just whiff. Its a lot of execution gone wrong. Counted too many times when we appeared to have a guy locked down or the angle on him only to have him blow past 3-4 of our guys. Like AUT1, thats technique and position coaching.
And yes, in the end having no pressure from the DL doesn't help at all. QB's know this and have all day. Our average or below DB's can't hold on very long much less an eternity.
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Losing to Texas A&M didn't exactly hurt. It hurt because we pissed away chances to be something really special this season, but it really pissed me off more than anything. We haven't improved. If anything we've regressed. That's a concern. We should be way better than A&M. We're better than MSU. We shouldn't have been close with SC. Or Old Piss. We've played ONE game all season where we had it together and skull fucked LSU. We could do that to anybody and everybody. Disappointing that we don't.
This is where I am, I am still so fucking angry we lost this game. I wouldn't mind (as much) if we lost to a better team, but both losses this year were not to better teams. We did more to fuck ourselves up then they did to win the game. That includes penalties and turnovers.
And I am not on the fire Johnson bus, he can get out there and make kids tackle, at the end of the day you coach them but they have to be the ones that execute.
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We were beaten up front on both sides of the ball for the greater part of the first half.
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This is where I am, I am still so fucking angry we lost this game. I wouldn't mind (as much) if we lost to a better team, but both losses this year were not to better teams. We did more to fuck ourselves up then they did to win the game. That includes penalties and turnovers.
And I am not on the fire Johnson bus, he can get out there and make kids tackle, at the end of the day you coach them but they have to be the ones that execute.
THIS GUY knows. ^^ ALL OF THIS.
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Johnson is one of the best 2nd half defensive coordinators in the country. Malzahn just needs to hire another good d cor to coach the first half. But srsly, it isn't Ellis Johnson's fault that we ran out of luck.
Some of you need to turn that frown upside down. The Duck Commander Independence Bowl is still within reach. Shreveport is nice in January.
Thanks guys. I will be here in and out, all day.
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Johnson is one of the best 2nd half defensive coordinators in the country. Malzahn just needs to hire another good d cor to coach the first half. But srsly, it isn't Ellis Johnson's fault that we ran out of luck.
Some of you need to turn that frown upside down. The Duck Commander Independence Bowl is still within reach. Shreveport is nice in January.
Thanks guys. I will be here in and out, all day.
And since these discussions never go anywhere, put me down for Jon Gruden. He needs to start earning an honest living again as intended instead of running that mouth as an NFL analyst.
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And since these discussions never go anywhere, put me down for Jon Gruden. He needs to start earning an honest living again as intended instead of running that mouth as an NFL analyst.
So we are gonna have an offensive guy run the defense? Interesting...it...might...just....work...
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So we are gonna have an offensive guy run the defense? Interesting...it...might...just....work...
Meh, just let Lash and Craig run the O and let Gus invent the HUNH defense.
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So we are gonna have an offensive guy run the defense? Interesting...it...might...just....work...
Okay give me Gruden's sister then.
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What ever became of that nice Cajun gentleman that did the Hummer commercials?
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What's the one play that decided the game? I'm going with the blocked field goal. 10 pt swing right there, considering I think we woulda made it.
Pisses me off that Cap got that fumble back but the replay asshole is apparently anti Auburn. Targeting and that ruling were terrible imo.
I don't think we deserved to win but we didn't deserve those terrible calls to diminish our chances either.
Not that it matters but after getting shafted on every single review and realizing that that damn fresh QB appears to be the absolute real deal--shit just happened. It doesn't make me feel good about knowing that our defense isn't really any better than last year. I don' t think we belong in the playoff but who else will belong?
We are capable of beating any team in the country and capable of losing to most. It goes back to what a lot of people on here said pre season, if the defense is just a little better, we can win it all. It isn't any better but our offense is.
I'm not pipe dreaming about the playoff anymore. If we get the mojo back, fine. I just want to beat the hell out of Georgia and then Alabammer. That's enough for me to be happy again.
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Have never seen a pileup for a loose ball where the last man coming from the pile with the football wasn't awarded the ball...unless the play had been blown dead.
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Have never seen a pileup for a loose ball where the last man coming from the pile with the football wasn't awarded the ball...unless the play had been blown dead.
Normally though their isn't clear cut video evidence. That was pretty clear CAP had the ball and was down.
But it matters not, we shouldn't have let the refs decide the game.
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Stronger rumor is that he threw punches at a coach but who knows.
Did he aim for the ankles or just miss all together?
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Normally though their isn't clear cut video evidence. That was pretty clear CAP had the ball and was down.
But it matters not, we shouldn't have let the refs decide the game.
But it's still infuriating. I keep trying to tell myself to just forget it. But this image:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2CqqkVIAAEGFzS.jpg)
It kills me.
Notice how in the gif, you can see CAP fall on top of the ball while #95 is still falling to his knees. Then while the refs are doing their typical "I can't really see who has it but let's allow these guys to beat the fuck out of each other under the pile" routine, #95 while on his fucking feet reaches in to take the ball out.
I think there was enough video evidence to overturn the call, but I think refs do give the players some time to fight each other under a pile to see who comes up with it. Football's version of a rugby scrum.
(http://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/2440970/aufum.0.gif)
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But it's still infuriating. I keep trying to tell myself to just forget it.
No doubt my brother. If you really want to throw yourself into a tizzy go back and watch the Dismukes fumble. We had multiple guys moving when he snapped the ball, it should have been false start, 5 yards we get the ball.
Again coulda, shoulda, woulda...can't let the refs decide the game.
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No doubt my brother. If you really want to throw yourself into a tizzy go back and watch the Dismukes fumble. We had multiple guys moving when he snapped the ball, it should have been false start, 5 yards we get the ball.
Again coulda, shoulda, woulda...can't let the refs decide the game.
Saw where Lashlee defended Dismukes taking the blame. Last minute audible and I guess Dismukes didnt hear it and was on the old snap count. Rare thing for him for sure.
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The pattern I see here is guys who have been doing this for a while and not changing with the game. We need young new innovative coaching blood on the defensive side.
Manny Diaz?
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Manny Diaz?
Yeah he played CF for the Phillies. Doubles hitter, good speed, covered a lot of ground.
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Yeah he played CF for the Phillies. Doubles hitter, good speed, covered a lot of ground.
That'll change it up for sure!