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The Library => Haley Center Basement => Topic started by: Tiger Wench on March 16, 2014, 12:46:48 AM
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Kristin Cavallari - not even sure exactly who she is, other than some fucking blonde bimbo from some stupid show on the CW - is married to Jay Cutler, and is currently expecting their second child. She admitted on a talk show today that she and Jay elected not to vaccinate their oldest child, and have no plans to vaccinate their new baby either. She said she read "too many scary studies about the link to autism".
Fucking idiot.
Saw on the news tonight that California has had 32 cases of measles so far this year. By this time last year, there had been THREE reported cases. Measles is a vaccine-preventable disease. This outrages me beyond sanity.
God bless those two babies for having such fucking idiots for parents. What if they step on a nail? Get a scratch? Wind up with tetanus??
I thought Vandy was supposed to be a school for smart people? If so, Jay Cutler is not a shining example.
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They have an outbreak in NYC earlier b/c of these dumbass anti-vaxers. May Jenny McCarthy die in a fire for helping spear head this shit! All you have to do is take the medical guide they will give about vaccinations and do some research and see it's not bad for you or your children. I hate anti-vaxers with the burning fury of a thousand suns.
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They have an outbreak in NYC earlier b/c of these dumbass anti-vaxers. May Jenny McCarthy die in a fire for helping spear head this shit! All you have to do is take the medical guide they will give about vaccinations and do some research and see it's not bad for you or your children. I hate anti-vaxers with the burning fury of a thousand suns.
I'd light it and then roast marshmallows. She is going to hell for sure for this. I hope she gets jabbed with needles for all eternity.
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"...too many scary studies that link vaccinations to autism". Where the hell are all these reputbale studies? He'll, there are studies that want to link autism to just about everything. She might as well also choose not to bathe, clothe, or feed her child if she is going to believe every half-ass study that some fringe researcher releases to justify their job or grant they received to conduct the study.
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"...too many scary studies that link vaccinations to autism". Where the hell are all these reputbale studies?
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/autism/ (http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/autism/)
Recent estimates from CDC's Autism Developmental Disabilities Monitoring network found that about 1 in 88 children have ASD. This estimate is higher than estimates from the early 1990s. Over the years, some people have had concerns that autism might be linked to the vaccines children receive. One vaccine ingredient that has been studied specifically is thimerosal, previously used as a preservative in many recommended childhood vaccines. However, in 2001 thimerosal was removed or reduced to trace amounts in all childhood vaccines except for one type of influenza vaccine, and thimerosal-free alternatives are available for influenza vaccine. Evidence from several studies examining trends in vaccine use and changes in autism frequency does not support such an association between thimerosal and autism. Furthermore, a scientific reviewExternal Web Site Icon by the Institute of Medicine (IOM) concluded that "the evidence favors rejection of a causal relationship between thimerosal–containing vaccines and autism." CDC supports the IOM conclusion that there is no relationship between vaccines containing thimerosal and autism rates in children.
The IOM also recently conducted a thorough review of the current medical and scientific evidence on vaccines and certain health events that may be observed after vaccination. It released a report in August 2011 on 8 vaccines given to children and adults that found the vaccines to be generally safe and serious adverse events following these vaccinations to be rare.
http://vaers.hhs.gov/index (http://vaers.hhs.gov/index)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=VAERS+autism (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=VAERS+autism)
A two-phase study evaluating the relationship between Thimerosal-containing vaccine administration and the risk for an autism spectrum disorder diagnosis in the United States.
Thimerosal seems to be the culprit, but they have long since removed it from vaccines.
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Not just for kids, a girl I know was expecting and refused to get a flu vaccine even though she works at the hospital because she was worried about how it might affect the baby. She ended up getting the flu and was shocked when the doctor told her it might lead to birth defects or stillbirth (luckily she delivered a perfectly healthy boy just this past weekend). Every year people freak out over vaccines and the latest and greatest flu strain that is named after some animal and every year somewhere between 3000-49000 people die from good ole seasonal flu.
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/us_flu-related_deaths.htm (http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/us_flu-related_deaths.htm)
How many people die from seasonal flu each year in the United States?
The number of seasonal influenza-associated (i.e., seasonal flu-related) deaths varies from year to year because flu seasons are unpredictable and often fluctuate in length and severity. Therefore, a single estimate cannot be used to summarize influenza-associated deaths. Instead, a range of estimated deaths is a better way to represent the variability and unpredictability of flu. An August 27, 2010 MMWR report entitled “Thompson MG et al. Updated Estimates of Mortality Associated with Seasonal Influenza through the 2006-2007 Influenza Season. MMWR 2010; 59(33): 1057-1062.," provides updated estimates of the range of flu-associated deaths that occurred in the United States during the three decades prior to 2007. CDC estimates that from the 1976-1977 season to the 2006-2007 flu season, flu-associated deaths ranged from a low of about 3,000 to a high of about 49,000 people. Death certificate data and weekly influenza virus surveillance information was used to estimate how many flu-related deaths occurred among people whose underlying cause of death was listed as respiratory or circulatory disease on their death certificate.
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You guys enjoy your witch hunt.
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Have fun storming the castle.
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Haven't had a flu shot in, well, I can't remember.
As far as vaccinations go, I do think the cocktails are the problem. Growing up, we mostly got a one for one vaccine. These new all in one cocktails seem to be a bit iffy over the years.
Am I advocating no vaccines? No. I just think parents should be smart about it and the government should be smart also. The rise in autism is not a fluke. And all of you who are in it "for the children" should see that. I also do not trust that all vaccinations are "good".
They tried to push the HPV vaccine on our daughters and that thing is shit.
I still think it is the parent's choice.
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Haven't had a flu shot in, well, I can't remember.
As far as vaccinations go, I do think the roostertails are the problem. Growing up, we mostly got a one for one vaccine. These new all in one roostertails seem to be a bit iffy over the years.
Am I advocating no vaccines? No. I just think parents should be smart about it and the government should be smart also. The rise in autism is not a fluke. And all of you who are in it "for the children" should see that. I also do not trust that all vaccinations are "good".
They tried to push the HPV vaccine on our daughters and that thing is shoot.
I still think it is the parent's choice.
Should be the rise in autism diagnoses is not a fluke. Same for rise in ADHD diagnoses. I know that I went to school with kids who would today have been diagnosed with one of those things who were instead just placed in remedial classes or held back until they could mature a little bit.
People trying to diagnose autism at an early age is becoming a problem. My son had a speech delay caused mainly by a hearing problem and one of his daycare workers pulled us aside and told us with confidence that he was showing signs of autism. We asked our doctor about it and he told us that he didn't believe that was so, then he warned us that we needed to pull our kid out of that particular daycare because once that label became attached it would follow him throughout his school career.
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Should be the rise in autism diagnoses is not a fluke. Same for rise in ADHD diagnoses. I know that I went to school with kids who would today have been diagnosed with one of those things who were instead just placed in remedial classes or held back until they could mature a little bit.
People trying to diagnose autism at an early age is becoming a problem. My son had a speech delay caused mainly by a hearing problem and one of his daycare workers pulled us aside and told us with confidence that he was showing signs of autism. We asked our doctor about it and he told us that he didn't believe that was so, then he warned us that we needed to pull our kid out of that particular daycare because once that label became attached it would follow him throughout his school career.
That last statement is totally false. Trust me on this one.
Who says it's becomimg a problem? Let me guess... "they" right? A diagnosis isn't an overzealous daycare worker thinking something is wrong that isn't. There are official tests they are given to determine it and that is what constitutes a "diagnosis". This test is what is required for most school systems to classify them as autistic under a special needs program (IEP). An IEP provides protections by state and federal govt to them so they CANNOT be labeled or mistreated. This is also the case with anything else considered a disability. Many don't know they can use the law to their advantage.
But hey, misinformation makes the world go round.
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That last statement is totally false. Trust me on this one.
Who says it's becomimg a problem? Let me guess... "they" right? A diagnosis isn't an overzealous daycare worker thinking something is wrong that isn't. There are official tests they are given to determine it and that is what constitutes a "diagnosis". This test is what is required for most school systems to classify them as autistic under a special needs program (IEP). An IEP provides protections by state and federal govt to them so they CANNOT be labeled or mistreated. This is also the case with anything else considered a disability. Many don't know they can use the law to their advantage.
But hey, misinformation makes the world go round.
Well I was trusting the word of doctor who is an excellent physician and deals with kids from birth to 18. He said it was problem and I trust him.
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Well I was trusting the word of doctor who is an excellent physician and deals with kids from birth to 18. He said it was problem and I trust him.
Don't know who your physician is, but he was right to suggest pulling your kid out of that daycare. Wrong if he implied that autism diagnosis is similar to ADHD or any other trendy type of "disorder."
Autism is rather obvious. It's very serious delays in development. Regression. Failure to achieve physical accomplishments. Lack of emotional response. Repetitive motions. Obsessions. Whole lot more.
I taught 5-6 autistic kids each year I was a teacher (six years). Not one at the high school level with an autism or asperger's diagnosis seemed fake or wrongly diagnosed.
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Don't know who your physician is, but he was right to suggest pulling your kid out of that daycare. Wrong if he implied that autism diagnosis is similar to ADHD or any other trendy type of "disorder."
Autism is rather obvious. It's very serious delays in development. Regression. Failure to achieve physical accomplishments. Lack of emotional response. Repetitive motions. Obsessions. Whole lot more.
I taught 5-6 autistic kids each year I was a teacher (six years). Not one at the high school level with an autism or asperger's diagnosis seemed fake or wrongly diagnosed.
He wasn't comparing autism to ADHD, I was just making reference to both diagnoses being on the rise. And I stand by what I said, not just because diagnoses is on the rise doesn't necessarily mean the disease is on the rise. My wife has a cousin who is severely autistic, he's 18 and non-verbal, can't read, can't use the restroom on his own. I have another friend who's kid is diagnosed with autism, he's 16 and is kind of quiet and shy, good grades in school, has a cute girlfriend, a part time job, and a car that he paid for himself. If he had been in school when I was I doubt he would have been diagnosed. I'm not saying that he doesn't have autism, just that at a certain point in time he would have just been considered quiet and anti-social.
And incidentally our doctor's theory on autism and why more boys are diagnosed than girls is a lack of a specific omega 3 DHA. It's a nutrient that aids brain development. This nutrient is one that can be manufactured in your body but women do it better than men so men need more outside DHA coming in. It is proven as a deficiency in DHA as a link to alzheimers but not really linked to autism.
https://umm.edu/health/medical/altmed/supplement/docosahexaenoic-acid-dha
Docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) is an omega-3 fatty acid. It is found in cold water fatty fish, such as salmon. It is also found in fish oil supplements, along with eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA). Vegetarian sources of DHA come from seaweed.
Omega-3 fatty acids are good for your heart, and your body needs DHA for a healthy brain. Infants need DHA, especially during the first 6 months of their lives, so their brains, eyes, and nervous systems can develop as they should. DHA is found in breast milk and is added to some infant formula.
Our bodies naturally make small amounts of DHA, but we must get the amounts we need from food or supplements. Most people in the Western world do not get enough omega-3 fatty acids in their diet.
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They tried to push the HPV vaccine on our daughters and that thing is shit.
There should be PSAs telling everybody to watch out for that HowardsPenis->Vagina vaccine with your teenage daughters
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I had my last flu shot shortly before ETS'g the US Army in 1985.
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I think the HPV vaccine was mis-marketed with the wrong approach. Trying to make it mandatory for young girls was wrong, as was hammering the whole "sexually related" thing, as the "abstinence only!!" crowd jumped all over that. "My daughter ain't never gonna have sex! She ain't no slut!" That pretty much killed it right there, when it's really a good idea. Both men and women can have serious problems from the HPV virus. It's probably a good idea at some point for a woman who may have sex with more than one person in her life. Doesn't make you a slut any more than taking the pill does.
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Don't know who your physician is, but he was right to suggest pulling your kid out of that daycare. Wrong if he implied that autism diagnosis is similar to ADHD or any other trendy type of "disorder."
Autism is rather obvious. It's very serious delays in development. Regression. Failure to achieve physical accomplishments. Lack of emotional response. Repetitive motions. Obsessions. Whole lot more.
I taught 5-6 autistic kids each year I was a teacher (six years). Not one at the high school level with an autism or asperger's diagnosis seemed fake or wrongly diagnosed.
What this guy said ^^
For the record, I have a child with autism and it was obvious very early. And it's not something a regular pediatrician is equipped to handle. They basically send you to a child psychologist and or specialist who officially tests and diagnoses them.
I know more about this disorder than I ever cared to know about but it is what it is.
The omega 3 thing is a good theory and helps SOME but it's more complicated than that. It's truly a puzzle. You basically have to manage it with a combo of therapy, minerals and diet.
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I think the HPV vaccine was mis-marketed with the wrong approach. Trying to make it mandatory for young girls was wrong, as was hammering the whole "sexually related" thing, as the "abstinence only!!" crowd jumped all over that. "My daughter ain't never gonna have sex! She ain't no slut!" That pretty much killed it right there, when it's really a good idea. Both men and women can have serious problems from the HPV virus. It's probably a good idea at some point for a woman who may have sex with more than one person in her life. Doesn't make you a slut any more than taking the pill does.
I'll let someone else daughter be the guinea pig for it.
Too much false data and bad side effects:
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/07/16/hpv-vaccine-effectiveness.aspx# (http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/07/16/hpv-vaccine-effectiveness.aspx#)!
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She was uber hot on the Hills.
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She was uber hot on the Hills.
Which makes her a hot Idiot.
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Is there a link between autism and vaccinations?
The number of autistic children seems to rising...
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/27/health/cdc-autism/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/27/health/cdc-autism/index.html)
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Is there a link between autism and vaccinations?
The number of autistic children seems to rising...
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/27/health/cdc-autism/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/27/health/cdc-autism/index.html)
Although I am sure you would enjoy, it, please don't make me hurt you.
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Is there a link between autism and vaccinations?
The number of autistic children seems to rising...
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/27/health/cdc-autism/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/27/health/cdc-autism/index.html)
There's a link between labels and the need to apply them to people. Kids aren't just fidgety, they're ADDHDDDDD. They're not just a little weird, they're autistic.
Pfffttt on 95% of that.
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Although I am sure you would enjoy, it, please don't make me hurt you.
I'm just asking if there truly is a correlation. If so, then it needs to be addressed. To totally avoid vaccinations can prove to be just as detrimental as taking them in the wrong way and causing an increase in autism.
It just seems at this time, there is not enough research or discussion.
And the numbers are increasing.
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There's a link between labels and the need to apply them to people. Kids aren't just fidgety, they're ADDHDDDDD. They're not just a little weird, they're autistic.
Pfffttt on 95% of that.
And that may be also.
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Not a fan of all the labeling. There are very real problems, like autism, that need to be understood as to the causes and hopefully, treatment. But as K said, so much of the ADHDTV is a whole lot of pfffft. That kind of label has been put on my son, so my wife the teacher, thinks medication is the way to go. I don't. We've spent many years arguing over what meds he needs or if he needs them at all. I'm of the very unscientific opinion that he gets a little more mature each year and will eventually grow out of his fidgeting and lack of attention span.
I know it's not that simple and being that my wife has been dealing with children for the better part of 25 years, I've seen first hand many kids that could not stay in the classroom if it weren't for the meds. But much of it is overanalyzing, thinking everything has to have a diagnosis or a label...and a solution. When the reality is they need an ass whipping and some maturity.
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I'm just asking if there truly is a correlation. If so, then it needs to be addressed. To totally avoid vaccinations can prove to be just as detrimental as taking them in the wrong way and causing an increase in autism.
It just seems at this time, there is not enough research or discussion.
And the numbers are increasing.
My wife has a cousin that is CDD. She is labled as autistic because this falls under the "autism spectrum". No, she doesn't have autism, she had freaking CDD, quit labeling as autism and label it what it is. Same with Aspergers. They still aren't sure if it is a form of autism or not, it's still being debated. A lot is unknown about autism. I would also bet that another reason for the rise in numbers is that we didn't know what to label it back in the day. We just passed if off as being weird watching someone do things like rock back and forth and arrange their desk in perfect order and have a meltdown if it wasn't just so.
I did read something the other day and if I can dig it up I will post a link later, but most cases of autism are occurring in upper middle class and wealthy households. Could it be b/c most of those people have a career firmly established and have wanted longer to have Children? The older you are the more risky it becomes for the baby.
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Not a fan of all the labeling. There are very real problems, like autism, that need to be understood as to the causes and hopefully, treatment. But as K said, so much of the ADHDTV is a whole lot of pfffft. That kind of label has been put on my son, so my wife the teacher, thinks medication is the way to go. I don't. We've spent many years arguing over what meds he needs or if he needs them at all. I'm of the very unscientific opinion that he gets a little more mature each year and will eventually grow out of his fidgeting and lack of attention span.
I know it's not that simple and being that my wife has been dealing with children for the better part of 25 years, I've seen first hand many kids that could not stay in the classroom if it weren't for the meds. But much of it is overanalyzing, thinking everything has to have a diagnosis or a label...and a solution. When the reality is they need an ass whipping and some maturity.
When I was a kid my doctor told my mom that I was ADD and needed medicine, she said no. Chalked it up as me just being a boy. I got a lot of ass whippings and in the process learned how not to do that certain one thing again. I still need the maturity though.
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I have "squirrel" syndrome. I am easily distracted and will chase conversational squirrels regularly.
I tried to do some interviews with possible interns in a cafe where I could see out the window. There was a parade in town that day. I was barely coherent. "So, your resume says you have experience in Photoshop, Publisher and ... hey, look at that woman with the Harley Quinn outfit, that's crazy... is that a dragon on the front of that float... what time is the parade, do you think we could catch the end of it... oh, uhhh... yeah, graphic design... does this place have gelato or is that the other place..." They made me sit with my back to the window after the first one. But watching Beardsly McDougle make coffee while Stringy LaGoth served it up with her awesome makeup and torn fishnet leggings was equally distracting.
I currently have 14 chrome tabs open, am working a crossword, looking at pictures on my phone and answering emails. I have to do things.
I don't need medicine for that.
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Not a fan of all the labeling. There are very real problems, like autism, that need to be understood as to the causes and hopefully, treatment. But as K said, so much of the ADHDTV is a whole lot of pfffft. That kind of label has been put on my son, so my wife the teacher, thinks medication is the way to go. I don't. We've spent many years arguing over what meds he needs or if he needs them at all. I'm of the very unscientific opinion that he gets a little more mature each year and will eventually grow out of his fidgeting and lack of attention span.
I know it's not that simple and being that my wife has been dealing with children for the better part of 25 years, I've seen first hand many kids that could not stay in the classroom if it weren't for the meds. But much of it is overanalyzing, thinking everything has to have a diagnosis or a label...and a solution. When the reality is they need an ass whipping and some maturity.
There is hope. My daughter was one of those that had to take meds for a while. We tried everything to avoid it. But it was clear that she needed it. We would only give it to her on school days and deal with the other days as best we could. Over time she learned to cope with how she was and stopped taking it. She is doing great and stays very busy athletically.
So, if you do have to use meds, use them wisely.
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I don't need medicine for that.
Well....
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There is hope. My daughter was one of those that had to take meds for a while. We tried everything to avoid it. But it was clear that she needed it. We would only give it to her on school days and deal with the other days as best we could. Over time she learned to cope with how she was and stopped taking it. She is doing great and stays very busy athletically.
So, if you do have to use meds, use them wisely.
Question: don't you have to keep a regular dosage schedule to keep the effect predictable?
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Question: don't you have to keep a regular dosage schedule to keep the effect predictable?
It depends on the type of med. But we were OK during the week and if there was a function that she needed to concentrate on.
Otherwise, we let her try to flush her system. And we never used it if school was out.
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How many rabbits does it take to change a light bulb? Want to play tennis?
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I may have ADD but I also don't give a shit what anyone has to say. That's more of my problem with concentration. That and the crack rock. It's hard to understand what any of you are talking about right now and your faces look weird.
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Page 2 of this thread is so full of dumbassery that it's sad.
You guys keep beating the "it's not real" drum all you want and try to oversimplify it all wrapped nicely with a bow - if it makes you feel better about your flawed arguments. You're believing what you want to believe. It's not just labels. But hey don't let it stop your witch hunt for Jenny McCarthy. I'm sure you are all experts on how the brain behaves in these situations, brain chemicals, imbalances, hormone levels and the anatomy of anything similar in general. Saying that "a good ass beating will fix em up" borderlines on idiotic medieval thinking. Sounds like something that a dumb fucking redneck would say.
Besides if you don't believe in autism or a link to it, then what do you care? It's not hurting you if someone else does. If you believe in the vaccination then get it. You'll be covered. Nothing will touch you. Right?
I usually get amusement out of watching people pretend to know so much about something they actually know so little about but in this case it's just pathetic. Wes and cct are about the only ones remotely making any sense.
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My wife has a cousin that is CDD. She is labled as autistic because this falls under the "autism spectrum". No, she doesn't have autism, she had freaking CDD, quit labeling as autism and label it what it is. Same with Aspergers. They still aren't sure if it is a form of autism or not, it's still being debated. A lot is unknown about autism. I would also bet that another reason for the rise in numbers is that we didn't know what to label it back in the day. We just passed if off as being weird watching someone do things like rock back and forth and arrange their desk in perfect order and have a meltdown if it wasn't just so.
I did read something the other day and if I can dig it up I will post a link later, but most cases of autism are occurring in upper middle class and wealthy households. Could it be b/c most of those people have a career firmly established and have wanted longer to have Children? The older you are the more risky it becomes for the baby.
You know your my boy blue, but all that above? Full of fail. On many levels.
You guys are really mixing together unofficial labels (from a school, parent, teacher whoever) and official diagnosises which take shitloads of extensive tests and months to conduct. Heresay and misinformation are a real bitch.
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Page 2 of this thread is so full of dumbassery that it's sad.
You guys keep beating the "it's not real" drum all you want and try to oversimplify it all wrapped nicely with a bow - if it makes you feel better about your flawed arguments. You're believing what you want to believe. It's not just labels. But hey don't let it stop your witch hunt for Jenny McCarthy. I'm sure you are all experts on how the brain behaves in these situations, brain chemicals, imbalances, hormone levels and the anatomy of anything similar in general. Saying that "a good ass beating will fix em up" borderlines on idiotic medieval thinking. Sounds like something that a dumb fucking redneck would say.
Besides if you don't believe in autism or a link to it, then what do you care? It's not hurting you if someone else does. If you believe in the vaccination then get it. You'll be covered. Nothing will touch you. Right?
I usually get amusement out of watching people pretend to know so much about something they actually know so little about but in this case it's just pathetic. Wes and cct are about the only ones remotely making any sense.
Before you go off saying people sound idiotic, like dumb fucking rednecks, you might want read all of a post and not what you pick and choose to. I said plainly there are very real problems, like autism, that need to be understood and hopefully, treated. But every child doesn't need to be labeled and medicated and/or coddled. As I said and AU1 said, sometimes a good ass whoopin' and a little maturity is what's needed more than labeling and medicating. You said you have an autistic child. I feel for you and your plight and hope you find a treatment...cure, whatever. I dealt with autistic kids years ago and while I couldn't ever say I've stood in your shoes and know what you've gone through, I've seen it first hand and know it to be very real. My son fidgets in class and has the attention span of a hummingbird. My wife wants to medicate him til he passes out. I want to take a switch to his legs and lock his X-Box in the closet for a month.
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I should tea bag him during COD.
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I have a cousin who keeps a hamster in his pocket and always wears a bow tie. He can play the bugle.
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I'm not downplaying autism. Lots of things about the human mind and how it works are just unknowns, and probably always will be.
What I DO know, and what actual fact based evidence DOES support, is that the number of people turning up with and dying from vaccine preventable diseases is on the rise. Infants, young kids, elderly folks, and other immune compromised people are DYING of diseases that have otherwise all but been eradicated in this country. Some ER docs were not able to make a prompt diagnosis of measles in New York because NONE OF THEM HAD EVER SEEN A CASE. The herd immunity which keep us and our children safe is being weakened because a handful of freaks are making vaccines the bogeyman for autism based on a "study" that has been debunked by multiple medical authorities around the world, and outed as a downright FRAUD.
Measles, polio, smallpox, mumps, and tetanus kill people - but we know how to stop them before they do IF PEOPLE GET VACCINATED. I have yet to hear of a case of Asperger's or autism or ADHD being fatal to anyone.
I am not going to run the risk of my child or someone else dying from something I know I can prevent in order to "protect" him based on a 100% discredited "study" and woo woo.
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I'm not downplaying autism. Lots of things about the human mind and how it works are just unknowns, and probably always will be.
What I DO know, and what actual fact based evidence DOES support, is that the number of people turning up with and dying from vaccine preventable diseases is on the rise. Infants, young kids, elderly folks, and other immune compromised people are DYING of diseases that have otherwise all but been eradicated in this country. Some ER docs were not able to make a prompt diagnosis of measles in New York because NONE OF THEM HAD EVER SEEN A CASE. The herd immunity which keep us and our children safe is being weakened because a handful of freaks are making vaccines the bogeyman for autism based on a "study" that has been debunked by multiple medical authorities around the world, and outed as a downright FRAUD.
Measles, polio, smallpox, mumps, and tetanus kill people - but we know how to stop them before they do IF PEOPLE GET VACCINATED. I have yet to hear of a case of Asperger's or autism or ADHD being fatal to anyone.
I am not going to run the risk of my child or someone else dying from something I know I can prevent in order to "protect" him based on a 100% discredited "study" and woo woo.
I think a lot of the data people are pointing too is not so much vaccinating, but how modern vaccinations are created. As kid's, I don't recall getting any "cocktails". We usually got one shot for one disease. And we seemed to have less side effects.
I think you can still get the non-cocktail stuff, you just have to pay extra. That is what we did with our kids. But that was over ten years ago.
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I think a lot of the data people are pointing too is not so much vaccinating, but how modern vaccinations are created. As kid's, I don't recall getting any "cocktails". We usually got one shot for one disease. And we seemed to have less side effects.
I think you can still get the non-cocktail stuff, you just have to pay extra. That is what we did with our kids. But that was over ten years ago.
And we liked it
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Question: don't you have to keep a regular dosage schedule to keep the effect predictable?
You crush it up, put it in a paper towel, run it under some warm water, and you stick it right up your ass. That works!
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Page 2 of this thread is so full of dumbassery that it's sad.
You guys keep beating the "it's not real" drum all you want and try to oversimplify it all wrapped nicely with a bow - if it makes you feel better about your flawed arguments. You're believing what you want to believe. It's not just labels. But hey don't let it stop your witch hunt for Jenny McCarthy. I'm sure you are all experts on how the brain behaves in these situations, brain chemicals, imbalances, hormone levels and the anatomy of anything similar in general. Saying that "a good ass beating will fix em up" borderlines on idiotic medieval thinking. Sounds like something that a dumb fucking redneck would say.
Besides if you don't believe in autism or a link to it, then what do you care? It's not hurting you if someone else does. If you believe in the vaccination then get it. You'll be covered. Nothing will touch you. Right?
I usually get amusement out of watching people pretend to know so much about something they actually know so little about but in this case it's just pathetic. Wes and cct are about the only ones remotely making any sense.
What? You are thinking that I don't think autism (and ADD/ADHD for that mattter) is real? Laughable at best. Never not once have I even come close to saying that. I question the link between vaccines and autism.
You know your my boy blue, but all that above? Full of fail. On many levels.
You guys are really mixing together unofficial labels (from a school, parent, teacher whoever) and official diagnosises which take shitloads of extensive tests and months to conduct. Heresay and misinformation are a real bitch.
I am taking it directly from the young lady's parents as what the doctor (who did shitloads of extensive tests over the course of three or four years at Hopkins, UAB, Mayo and places like that) told them. CCTAU asked why is it on the rise? I gave an example of how someone was diagnosed with CDD 14 + years ago, but is now labeled autistic. The DSM-5 that the APA uses is now labeling Asperger's as autism. Just giving reasons as to why the numbers might "be on the rise" b/c things that were previously listed not under autism now are.
Is Asperger's really a form of autism? Fuck if I know and fuck if you know either. Medical experts can't even agree on it, but it is being labeled that now. You seriously don't think that a rise in numbers could also be coming from the fact that there was no awareness 10, 15, 20, 25 years ago and children were "diagnosed" or "labeled" with something different? I am not denying the existence of any of the previously mentioned diseases at all. I am not saying it isn't real, we know it's real, but does vaccines cause it? If it does then there are a lot of doctors that need to be lined up and shot for suggesting them.
I just disagree with a celebrity screaming from the top of her lungs and organizing a movement to not have your kids vaccinated b/c it causes autism without having any science or real hardcore proof behind it. We have the worst Measles outbreak in decades, a breakout in Whooping Cough, and it's due to anti-vaxers. Again, parents, individual choice, but don't expect me to treat you like some hero for being an anti-vaxer when outbreaks like this occur.
Their argument is based solely on one article from the 90s that was later retracted by Lancet (a major journal like that rarely retracts an article) and the author lost his license and is now scorned by the entire medical community b/c he was bought off to say there was a link. Still not saying their isn't, we simply don't know, but I have a hard time telling my sons pediatrician no thanks, google and all those FB post tell me I don't need to.
For those who might be interested in the wealth and autism thing I was talking about earlier.http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/neuroskeptic/2010/07/14/autism-and-wealth/#.UzSCvl42wmV (http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/neuroskeptic/2010/07/14/autism-and-wealth/#.UzSCvl42wmV)
Should also note that McCarthy has now reversed her position on MMR shots and now says that her kid shows no signs of autism b/c he never really had it. http://hollywoodlife.com/2010/02/26/jenny-mccarthy-says-her-son-evan-never-had-autism/ (http://hollywoodlife.com/2010/02/26/jenny-mccarthy-says-her-son-evan-never-had-autism/) That is what is pissed me off about her. She gets people in an uproar and gets people to not vaccinate their children b/c it gave her son something he never really had in the first place, but she was sure of it.
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I'm not downplaying autism. Lots of things about the human mind and how it works are just unknowns, and probably always will be.
What I DO know, and what actual fact based evidence DOES support, is that the number of people turning up with and dying from vaccine preventable diseases is on the rise. Infants, young kids, elderly folks, and other immune compromised people are DYING of diseases that have otherwise all but been eradicated in this country. Some ER docs were not able to make a prompt diagnosis of measles in New York because NONE OF THEM HAD EVER SEEN A CASE. The herd immunity which keep us and our children safe is being weakened because a handful of freaks are making vaccines the bogeyman for autism based on a "study" that has been debunked by multiple medical authorities around the world, and outed as a downright FRAUD.
Measles, polio, smallpox, mumps, and tetanus kill people - but we know how to stop them before they do IF PEOPLE GET VACCINATED. I have yet to hear of a case of Asperger's or autism or ADHD being fatal to anyone.
I am not going to run the risk of my child or someone else dying from something I know I can prevent in order to "protect" him based on a 100% discredited "study" and woo woo.
Thinning the herd. Yes it is not the kids fault who's parents are douche bags and are making a stand in order to make a headline.
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Jeebus.
Not saying there aren't real diagnoses. Only that there are so many parents, educators and so on who are looking to label kids rather than take responsibility for raising them.
If the world was always like this we'd never have Einstein of Beethoven or Picasso or Lincoln or DaVinci or Edison or Mozart or.... You get the idea. Their brilliance would have been medicated out of them so they'd act like every other "normal" drone.
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I guess...this is a bad time to bring up the fact none of my spawn have been vaccinated.
but I plug in my vehicle, eat organic, smoke pot and like my latte foam with pretty designs.
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You crush it up, put it in a paper towel, run it under some warm water, and you stick it right up your ass. That works!
Don't fuckin' lie to me, every one of you people have ritalin.
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Don't fuckin' lie to me, every one of you people have ritalin.
God. Relax. It's like you've haven't seen a little cum on your friends face before.
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God. Relax. It's like you've haven't seen a little cum on your friends face before.
It's like Gary Coleman's fucking forearm. It's so black, so impossibly black.
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Excuse me Miss, what color is Michael Jackson?
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Hey look, it's the douchebag from Karate Kid 3.
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Hey look, it's the douchebag from Karate Kid 3.
You have had lots of boyfriends. Gay ones.
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You have had lots of boyfriends. Gay ones.
It's called male bonding okay. Haven't you even seen Wild Hogs?
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I can't believe I'm fucking Adam's sister! I'm doing it! Oh God! I'm gonna cum! Shia Lebeouf! Dropping loads! So much fucking semen. Little Tiny Jacobs!
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If I wanted to kill myself, I'd fucking kill myself. I'd be awesome at it. A shotgun to the dick.
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I guess...this is a bad time to bring up the fact none of my spawn have been vaccinated.
but I plug in my vehicle, eat organic, smoke pot and like my latte foam with pretty designs.
Then you are part of the problem, if serious. Hoping you aren't serious. Esp with the diseases you could bring home from the HOP.
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If the world was always like this we'd never have Einstein of Beethoven or Picasso or Lincoln or DaVinci or Edison or Mozart or.... Bottomfeeder
You forgot one.
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If I wanted to kill myself, I'd fucking kill myself. I'd be awesome at it. A shotgun to the dick.
Yeah, I'm a prisoner. It's called "doing hard time".
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Yeah, I'm a prisoner. It's called "doing hard time".
Every young man's fantasy is to have a three-way.
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Every young man's fantasy is to have a three-way.
Yeah not with another fucking guy!
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Yeah not with another fucking guy!
You are the patron saint of the totally fucked.
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Yeah not with another fucking guy!
Buzz mentioned something to me one time.
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Yeah not with another fucking guy!
It's still a three way!
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Is that why you have that shoebox in your closet, marked "Cincinatti" ?
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Is that why you have that shoebox in your closet, marked "Cincinatti" ?
I'm kinda right in the middle of a thing right now, but can I text you later?
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Jenny McCarthy. This bitch should roast in hell for not blindly following the gubment....
https://tv.yahoo.com/news/jenny-mccarthy-am-not-anti-vaccine-204327963.html
Funny how words get twisted....
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Jenny McCarthy. This bitch should roast in hell for not blindly following the gubment....
https://tv.yahoo.com/news/jenny-mccarthy-am-not-anti-vaccine-204327963.html
Funny how words get twisted....
Oh? She was misquoted and misunderstood? My bad. I guess it's easy to see how the following quotes could be misconstrued to say she was anti-vaccine.
1. “If you ask a parent of an autistic child if they want the measles or the autism, we will stand in line for the fucking measles.â€
Via Time: April 1, 2009.
2. “The reason why [parents] are not vaccinating is because the vaccines are not safe. Make a better product and then parents will vaccinate.â€
Via CNN: April 3, 2009
3. “I think I would have skipped the chicken pox [vaccine]. I had it when I was little. To me, I’m not too worried about Evan dying from chicken pox. There should be some vaccines that we can go, ‘Hmm, maybe not.’â€
Via PBS Frontline: Jan. 8, 2010.
4. “I do believe sadly it’s going to take some diseases coming back to realize that we need to change and develop vaccines that are safe.â€
Via Time: April 1, 2009.
5. “Time magazine’s article on the autism debate reports that the experts are certain ‘vaccines don’t cause autism; they don’t injure children; they are the pillar of modern public health.’ I say, ‘that’s a lie and we’re sick of it.’â€
Via Huffington Post: March 9, 2010
6. “Yes, a wave of 12 children with measles in San Diego is a troubling thing. But, there are more than 20,000 children in San Diego with autism! 20,000 vs. 12?â€
Via Huffington Post: April 28, 2010
7. “Us moms aren’t treating autism, we are treating a vaccine injury. And when you treat the vaccine injury, the autism goes away, minimizes or disappears.â€
Via Fox News: 6/9/2008.
8. “Almost all kids get — injected toxins — very early in life, and our own government clearly acknowledges vaccines cause brain damage in certain vulnerable kids.â€
Via Huffington Post: March 9, 2010
9. “What number does it have to be for everyone to start listening to what the mothers of children who have autism have been saying for years, which is … We vaccinated our baby and SOMETHING happened. SOMETHING happened. Why won’t anyone believe us?â€
Via Excerpt from McCarthy’s “Mother Warriors†/ Via Oprah.com
10. “If the vaccine companies are not listening to us, it’s their fucking fault that the diseases are coming back. They’re making a product that’s shit. If you give us a safe vaccine, we’ll use it. It shouldn’t be polio versus autism.â€
Via Time: April 1, 2009.
11. “Moms and pregnant women are coming up to me on the street going, ‘I don’t know what to do’… And I don’t know what to tell them, because I am surely not going to tell anyone to vaccinate. But if I had another child, there’s no way in hell.â€