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The Library => Haley Center Basement => Topic started by: Townhallsavoy on October 11, 2013, 12:12:17 AM
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http://engineeringevil.com/2013/10/10/boy-15-kills-himself-after-facing-expulsion-and-being-put-on-sex-offender-registry-for-streaking-at-high-school-football-game/ (http://engineeringevil.com/2013/10/10/boy-15-kills-himself-after-facing-expulsion-and-being-put-on-sex-offender-registry-for-streaking-at-high-school-football-game/)
Christian Adamek hanged himself on October 2 and died from his injuries two days later – a week after he streaked at his high school football game
He was arrested and school district recommended he face a court hearing
If convicted of indecent exposure, he’d have gone on sex offenders list
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I've worked with hardass administrators and teachers before. I don't know if this kid really would have gone on the sex offenders list, but after reading through the article, I have no doubt in my mind that his principal told him his life was ruined and he would be seen as a child molester for the rest of his life.
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Don't look Ethel!
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I know this kid's dad. Not mentioned in the story.
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I know this kid's dad. Not mentioned in the story.
Then maybe you can confirm this -
Someone on Reddit commented on the story and claimed to know the family well. Said the dad and the son had a big argument about the incident and not too long afterwards is when the kid hanged himself.
Really sad story no matter what the details are. No 15 year old kid should be told that his life is ruined because he ran across a field naked. Why the sight of the human body is seen as such a vile weapon I'll never know.
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Then maybe you can confirm this -
Someone on Reddit commented on the story and claimed to know the family well. Said the dad and the son had a big argument about the incident and not too long afterwards is when the kid hanged himself.
Really sad story no matter what the details are. No 15 year old kid should be told that his life is ruined because he ran across a field naked. Why the sight of the human body is seen as such a vile weapon I'll never know.
You've never seen my big Aunt Martha naked.
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You've never seen my big Aunt Martha naked.
I have. :facepalm:
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Damn this is sad. He looks like a great kid. They probably don't give a shit, but I hope whoever told him he was going to be a sex offender for the rest of his life is haunted by this.
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This is definitely sad but I can't blame the the dad or anyone for threatening him and trying to straighten him out. Sex offender list stuff was a big stretch and it sux if he was threatened with this. "Terrorist threats" is thrown around a lot now. I heard about some kids who were charged with something like this stemming from cherry bombs on a porch.
Shot we used to do as pranks can land you in prison today. Some warranted? Yes but there is a whole lot more of it that's just bullshit. Like the 7 yr old that was taken to the police station in Foley this week when the bus driver found out he had a toy gun. Was the police station really the thing to do?
He'll no. Send the kid home, spank his ass, whatever.
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This is definitely sad but I can't blame the the dad or anyone for threatening him and trying to straighten him out. Sex offender list stuff was a big stretch and it sux if he was threatened with this. "Terrorist threats" is thrown around a lot now. I heard about some kids who were charged with something like this stemming from cherry bombs on a porch.
Shot we used to do as pranks can land you in prison today. Some warranted? Yes but there is a whole lot more of it that's just bullshit. Like the 7 yr old that was taken to the police station in Foley this week when the bus driver found out he had a toy gun. Was the police station really the thing to do?
He'll no. Send the kid home, spank his ass, whatever.
Good lord I'd still be in prison.
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Good lord I'd still be in prison.
No mailboxes were safe in my neighborhood if I got hold of some M-80's.
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No mailboxes were safe in my neighborhood if I got hold of some M-80's.
So, you are safe with the statute of limitations re the USPS and acts from the 1950's?
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So, you are safe with the statute of limitations re the USPS and acts from the 1950's?
Get off my lawn or I'll beat your ass to a soda water finish
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No mailboxes were safe in my neighborhood if I got hold of some M-80's.
I guess a water balloon to the windshield would get me some time today. Back then it was an ass whopping from the driver. (if he could catch me)
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This is definitely sad but I can't blame the the dad or anyone for threatening him and trying to straighten him out.
Why should a dad or administrator ever threaten a kid? Especially like that?
Just be firm. "You broke X rules, these are the consequences and here is why it was wrong."
You don't try to scare anyone into falling into your view of what's right and what's wrong. You teach them.
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Don't look Ethel!
It was too late, she'd already been mooned.
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Get off my lawn or I'll beat your ass to a soda water finish
Did car horns back then make that "uh-uuuuuuuuhlga" sound like on the Waltons?
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Did car horns back then make that "uh-uuuuuuuuhlga" sound like on the Waltons?
Mine didn't, but it was always cold in the winter and hot in summer and my feet were always killing me.
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Why should a dad or administrator ever threaten a kid? Especially like that?
Just be firm. "You broke X rules, these are the consequences and here is why it was wrong."
You don't try to scare anyone into falling into your view of what's right and what's wrong. You teach them.
Or, beat their ass with a piece of water hose. I know it worked on me one time.
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Or, beat their ass with a piece of water hose. I know it worked on me one time.
Violence begets violence, Okonkwo.
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Did car horns back then make that "uh-uuuuuuuuhlga" sound like on the Waltons?
There weren't that many cars around so you rarely heard the.....hey, wait a minute.
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Violence begets violence, Okonkwo.
Thanks Dr. Spock. That shit has worked out so well since he doctored parenting.
Are you saying the WT is going around raping and killing his fellow man because he got beat with a water hose as a kid?
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Thanks Dr. Spock. That shit has worked out so well since he doctored parenting.
Are you saying the WT is going around raping and killing his fellow man because he got beat with a water hose as a kid?
I didn't say that at all.
But he said getting beat with a water hose (I assume a euphemistic expression) was what straightened him out and maybe it would be effective at straightening this next kid out. The cycle will continue for generations, and statistics and research shows that violent means of punishment from a guardian towards a child are not the most effective means of discipline. In fact, research points to it being detrimental to a child's development rather than beneficial.
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Violence begets violence, Okonkwo.
I liked John Lennon's wife too but she never told my dad this before he beat my ass with a water hose. I do not think he would have cared.
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If I screwed up, my parents took a belt to my ass. (And back of my legs. Damn, that hurt worse) From that point forward, I knew not to do the particular thing that prompted said ass beating. Research says that in my case, it worked.
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I didn't say that at all.
But he said getting beat with a water hose (I assume a euphemistic expression) was what straightened him out and maybe it would be effective at straightening this next kid out. The cycle will continue for generations, and statistics and research shows that violent means of punishment from a guardian towards a child are not the most effective means of discipline. In fact, research points to it being detrimental to a child's development rather than beneficial.
What research and by whom. You do know there are millions of successful people in this world who got there ass beat as a child. So one can look at the real world statistics and see that many more "little shits" have come along AFTER SPOCK, than were there before. Sometimes perceived education stands in the way of common sense!
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What research and by whom. You do know there are millions of successful people in this world who got there ass beat as a child. So one can look at the real world statistics and see that many more "little shits" have come along AFTER SPOCK, than were there before. Sometimes perceived education stands in the way of common sense!
Define successful. Successfully makes a decent living? Is that all that matters in raising a human being?
It seems like the generation before me and my parents' generation are full of more little shits. Hence the leadership and direction of the county over the past twenty years.
Here's one guy's research:
http://pubpages.unh.edu/~mas2/cp.htm (http://pubpages.unh.edu/~mas2/cp.htm)
Plenty of papers to peruse there. There are lots more. Psychology and sociology both point to corporal punishment being a detriment to a child's upbringing.
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If I screwed up, my parents took a belt to my ass. (And back of my legs. Damn, that hurt worse) From that point forward, I knew not to do the particular thing that prompted said ass beating. Research says that in my case, it worked.
Well, you actually don't help my arguement. But no one can pinpoint why or how you wound up like this.
But, most of the people that I know that got their ass beat in situations in which they really needed it, turned out o.k. I don't know anything about the research and I'm sure that one man's warranted ass whooping is another man's definition of abuse, but I believe the result can speak for itself in some instances.
A strong "talking to" would not have done much in my adolescent years.
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Plenty of papers to peruse there. There are lots more. Psychology and sociology both point to corporal punishment being a detriment to a child's upbringing.
This is why we're raising up a nation of sissies.
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This is why we're raising up a nation of sissies.
This X 1,000
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Oh and by "hose", I think he means his father's wiener.
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Mine didn't, but it was always cold in the winter and hot in summer and my feet were always killing me.
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That's keen
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Used to work with his dad. Haven't talked to him in six years or so. Not gonna call out of the blue and ask that.
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That's keen
Ya, No matter what century I roll keen. That's my style.
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If I screwed up, my parents took a belt to my ass. (And back of my legs. Damn, that hurt worse) From that point forward, I knew not to do the particular thing that prompted said ass beating. Research says that in my case, it worked.
Funny thing........me and my brother both did too and we turned out just fine.
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Funny thing........me and my brother both did too and we turned out just fine.
Bingo.
Real world results > useless academia/sociology "research".
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Bingo.
Real world results > useless academia/sociology "research".
Yeah all that scientific bullshit ain't done nuthin for us ever!
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Yeah all that scientific bullshit ain't done nuthin for us ever!
The problem with science is, it says whatever you want it to say. That's what "science" people never see.
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The problem with science is, it says whatever you want it to say. That's what "science" people never see.
Absolute science is: water is made of hydrogen and oxygen.
Trying to hypothesize about a correlation between kids getting belt whippings and going postal is not science.
There have been more kids go postal in some way during the pacifist method years than any other. Kids run the asylum now.
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Kids run the asylum now.
So, you're saying this is the place I need to go for crazy child sex?
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Yeah all that scientific bullshoot ain't done nuthin for us ever!
When I had to take psych at Auburn the prof was all in favor of corporal punishment. To paraphrase: it's immediate and it allows a child to grasp the cause and effect reactions of disobedience or dangerous behavior.
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When I had to take psych at Auburn the prof was all in favor of corporal punishment. To paraphrase: it's immediate and it allows a child to grasp the cause and effect reactions of disobedience or dangerous behavior.
That's the way I feel about it. Little Johnny runs out in front of a car in a parking lot because he's just running wild and won't mind. Giving him a scolding and punishment won't work as fast and efficient on a toddler or young kid, imo. Spanking likely reminds him, "Hey, I should probably listen to them when we're in a parking lot and stay pretty close. They whipped my ass last time I ran in the parking lot."
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I guess a water balloon to the windshield would get me some time today. Back then it was an ass whopping from the driver. (if he could catch me)
You lose -125 keen points. Water balloons really?!? That is a rookie move. ICE dumbass!!! It melts no evidence.
What are you talking about lady, I didn't throw anything at your car.
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You lose -125 keen points. Water balloons really?!? That is a rookie move. ICE dumbass!!! It melts no evidence.
What are you talking about lady, I didn't throw anything at your car.
I was 12, I was a fucking rookie.
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Punishment should always depend on the child and situation. I got my ass whipped a lot as a kid. More than I should have and for shit that was ridiculous. My mom is a bitch and I haven't talked to her in a long time. Haven't had a relationship with her since I moved out at 18. Her answer for everything was "whippings". Never talk about what happened and explain why it is a bad idea to do. Nope. Just beat with whatever she could find. No lesson learned there. That's how you train an animal. And it is a horse shit way to deal with children.
With that said, I'm on board with whippings as long as it is as much about teaching as it is punishment. I have a 12 year who I've never had to whip. He has also never had any discipline problems in school or any other time that I can recall. He's done things that would have got him beat by my mother, like drawing on the wall with a crayon, but simply making him clean it up and explaining why he shouldn't do that was enough to correct the problem. Same method was used with every other "kid" thing he has done in his life and it has worked.
8 year old on the other hand......Explaining doesn't work. He understands, and does it anyway. It has gotten a lot better in the last 3 years, but first 5 caused me to wear out 3 belts and I no longer have hedge bushes. But it was never excessive and it was always with an explanation. I'll admit it is very frustrating at times, but I manage to save my beatings for business hours.
In short, I agree with THS and the belt.
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Punishment should always depend on the child and situation. I got my ass whipped a lot as a kid. More than I should have and for shit that was ridiculous. My mom is a bitch and I haven't talked to her in a long time. Haven't had a relationship with her since I moved out at 18. Her answer for everything was "whippings". Never talk about what happened and explain why it is a bad idea to do. Nope. Just beat with whatever she could find. No lesson learned there. That's how you train an animal. And it is a horse shit way to deal with children.
With that said, I'm on board with whippings as long as it is as much about teaching as it is punishment. I have a 12 year who I've never had to whip. He has also never had any discipline problems in school or any other time that I can recall. He's done things that would have got him beat by my mother, like drawing on the wall with a crayon, but simply making him clean it up and explaining why he shouldn't do that was enough to correct the problem. Same method was used with every other "kid" thing he has done in his life and it has worked.
8 year old on the other hand......Explaining doesn't work. He understands, and does it anyway. It has gotten a lot better in the last 3 years, but first 5 caused me to wear out 3 belts and I no longer have hedge bushes. But it was never excessive and it was always with an explanation. I'll admit it is very frustrating at times, but I manage to save my beatings for business hours.
In short, I agree with THS and the belt.
You just described real world situations. Yes, you and your mom have issues. Maybe she was part of the problem and took it out on you. maybe you were a terrible child and do not realize it. The important part is that you realize that the punishment needs to fit the crime. You felt slighted growing up and being whipped for "dumb" stuff. So you wanted to approach it a little more intelligently ( as if a bammer...) when it was your turn to parent. Lucky for you that the good kid came first. People want to plump parenting into a category. The problem is, not every kid fits in the same category. the idiot who says, "I never had to whip my child, so you shouldn't either" is just that, an idiot. Most of those folks were blessed with less stubborn children. Or their children are little shits and they can't see it. I read something a lng time ago that says to use just enough punishment to break the child's will. i want my children to understand why this is happening. One problem I find with mine is that society has taught them that my values are "old fashioned". I say that's OK. when you get out and pay your own way, you can have your own values. Right now my old values come with an old fashioned ass whipping if they are not followed. RESPECT DOES NOT GO OUT OF STYLE!
So you learned that what works for one, may not work for the other one. That is the joy of parenting. You get screw up each kid in different ways...It's how the psychologists stay in business. I tell my kids to save the unjust memory so you can tell your psychologist when you get older...
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I was 12, I was a fucking rookie.
no excuses play like a champion.
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Punishment should always depend on the child and situation. I got my ass whipped a lot as a kid. More than I should have and for shit that was ridiculous. My mom is a bitch and I haven't talked to her in a long time. Haven't had a relationship with her since I moved out at 18. Her answer for everything was "whippings". Never talk about what happened and explain why it is a bad idea to do. Nope. Just beat with whatever she could find. No lesson learned there. That's how you train an animal. And it is a horse shit way to deal with children.
With that said, I'm on board with whippings as long as it is as much about teaching as it is punishment. I have a 12 year who I've never had to whip. He has also never had any discipline problems in school or any other time that I can recall. He's done things that would have got him beat by my mother, like drawing on the wall with a crayon, but simply making him clean it up and explaining why he shouldn't do that was enough to correct the problem. Same method was used with every other "kid" thing he has done in his life and it has worked.
8 year old on the other hand......Explaining doesn't work. He understands, and does it anyway. It has gotten a lot better in the last 3 years, but first 5 caused me to wear out 3 belts and I no longer have hedge bushes. But it was never excessive and it was always with an explanation. I'll admit it is very frustrating at times, but I manage to save my beatings for business hours.
In short, I agree with THS and the belt.
You beat the shit out of your sister/wife everyday though don't you?
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Violence begets violence, Okonkwo.
You've seriously turned into this lately.
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And it's not pretty. Sometimes violence is the only answer.
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The smell of patchouli makes me violent.
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I spank my 2 year old girl. And it is nothing more than to get her attention because she is a stubborn little shit. My 10 year old son, I don't really have to spank. All I have to do is tell him I am upset with how he is acting, and that is enough to get him to straighten up. I can't imagine that working for my little girl.
Seriously...she just turned 2 in September...and this morning she wanted to watch cartoons and I was ignoring her...so she started calling me by my first name. Seriously? At 2 years old and 1 month, how the fuck does she know how to do that????
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You've seriously turned into this lately.
And it's not pretty. Sometimes violence is the only answer.
Are you saying I'm now part of the beta male crew?
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Here's two and three quarter cents from someone who isn't a parent; take it for what it's worth:
Any discipline that you give a child is premised on fear. Not fear of the parent, but fear that if they do X, Y will happen. Of course, it's the parent(s) who performs Y, but ultimately the goal is to have them fear the consequence and not the consequence deliverer. Kids of different types fear different things. Some fear the physical pain of a spanking. Some fear the embarrassment of being spanked. Some fear the mere threat of being spanked. But fear doesn't only come from the threat of or execution of physical discipline. Some fear having a parent yell at them in an unpleasant tone. Some fear their parents being disappointed in or upset with them. Some fear not having their Xbox for a week.
The key (again, from someone who isn't a parent) is to determine what they fear, and use that fear as a deterrent to make them behave appropriately. Immediately and consistently resorting to physical discipline doesn't always work, and if that's all you rely on, then you eventually get to the point where your physical discipline gets more severe in an attempt to make it work. That's where things go wrong, especially on very young kids that can't take much punishment as it is.
Lastly, I'm not against spanking in the slightest, but the "Johnny got spanked and turned out fine" argument is weak. Johnny could have also gotten tortured in the basement by his father for a decade and turned out fine, but the end result doesn't necessarily make the preceding actions acceptable.
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Lastly, I'm not against spanking in the slightest,
Stating the obvious.
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Stating the obvious.
Just so long as I'm promised to get my ass rubbed down with baby oil afterward.
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Here's two and three quarter cents from someone who isn't a parent; take it for what it's worth:
Any discipline that you give a child is premised on fear. Not fear of the parent, but fear that if they do X, Y will happen. Of course, it's the parent(s) who performs Y, but ultimately the goal is to have them fear the consequence and not the consequence deliverer. Kids of different types fear different things. Some fear the physical pain of a spanking. Some fear the embarrassment of being spanked. Some fear the mere threat of being spanked. But fear doesn't only come from the threat of or execution of physical discipline. Some fear having a parent yell at them in an unpleasant tone. Some fear their parents being disappointed in or upset with them. Some fear not having their Xbox for a week.
The key (again, from someone who isn't a parent) is to determine what they fear, and use that fear as a deterrent to make them behave appropriately. Immediately and consistently resorting to physical discipline doesn't always work, and if that's all you rely on, then you eventually get to the point where your physical discipline gets more severe in an attempt to make it work. That's where things go wrong, especially on very young kids that can't take much punishment as it is.
Lastly, I'm not against spanking in the slightest, but the "Johnny got spanked and turned out fine" argument is weak. Johnny could have also gotten tortured in the basement by his father for a decade and turned out fine, but the end result doesn't necessarily make the preceding actions acceptable.
I keep a box full of snakes in the basement for just this reason. It works on the kids and AUTiger1.
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Some of you bleeding hearts prolly think locking them in a dark closet as punishment is "too harsh", I'm sure. Pinkos.
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Some of you bleeding hearts prolly think locking them in a dark closet as punishment is "too harsh", I'm sure. Pinkos.
Mike Leach is now on the X
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I keep a box full of snakes in the basement for just this reason. It works on the kids and AUTiger1.
You sadistic bastard!
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Are you saying I'm now part of the beta male crew?
Beta Town
Population 2
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Mah diddy tolt me da moon is made outta macaroni and ain't no damn sontist can tell me shit!
Weird how the kids you "have" to spank over and over and over and over and over are the little shits that just never get that message.
But best to leave the correlation to the superstious tribal natives, rather than the PhDs who dedicate their lives to this type of behavior.
I'm not one of those people that says there are zero circumstances in which a kid should ever get a pop on the backside. But if you beat the shit out of your kids regularly because they're "difficult", maybe, just maybe, there might be more effective ways to discipline them that would actually work, and not potentially turn them into sociopaths.
But back to the actual issue in this thread. I just read it for the first time.
Saw where Judd Apatow tweeted the principal's contact info and basically ordered his followers to unleash their wrath.
This is a complicated issue, and I can see both sides. On the one hand, it may have been an overreaction to tell the kid his life is ruined and he was going to be on the sex offender list for life. Maybe that led directly to the kid taking himself out. But I think when tragedies like this take place, we're quick to find a boogie man to blame it all on. So we're demanding the resignation and possibly prison time for a principal of a school for trying to scare a kid straight? Is that not his job description? I think in all likelihood the kid had deep psychological issues to have taken his own life over something like this. But then, that goes back to that medical science bullshit.
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This post has taken a new meaning for me, One of my nieces (18) has been declared brain dead at the hospital. Took a mixture of heroin, zantax(sp?) and mary jane with liquor. We are stooiped at that age but damn. :facepalm:
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This post has taken a new meaning for me, One of my nieces (18) has been declared brain dead at the hospital. Took a mixture of heroin, zantax(sp?) and mary jane with liquor. We are stooiped at that age but damn. :facepalm:
Where the hell does an 18 yr old get heroin?
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Where the hell does an 18 yr old get heroin?
You'd be surprised. We had a girl that was attractive and got hooked on heroin. She didn't have to pay for it.
Sorry, Dallas. Drug overdose and addiction is really tough especially when it involves teenagers.
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Where the hell does an 18 yr old get heroin?
No shit at 18 I was just beginning to know that females wanted touch me.
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No shit at 18 I was just beginning to know that females wanted touch me.
They really just wanted to get to your keen car.
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Not comparing these tactics to spanking, but just thought that it was somewhat relevant to the discussion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYzG-AOBQ6U# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYzG-AOBQ6U#)
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They really just wanted to get to your keen car.
There wasn't jack shit that was keen back then.
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Not comparing these tactics to spanking, but just thought that it was somewhat relevant to the discussion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYzG-AOBQ6U# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYzG-AOBQ6U#)
My bet is that if at least a few of those in that interview were beat with a belt when they misbehaved, they wouldn't be headed for the dysfunctional life that coddling school is molding them for.
It would need to start at home though. If they don't get it at home, water boarding at school won't help.
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I laughed my ass off. "Do you think that helps or hurts?" "Oh it doesn't help".
Of course they say that. Ask any child if spanking is bad. EVERY CHILD WILL SAY YES.
And the dumbasses that listen to them and use that as a compelling argument against these procedures are bleeding hearts.
Now, grant it, some of these techniques are a bit much, but there has to be some way to deal with these children. These parents sending their children to schools that are ill-equipped to handles these cases are still doing so in order to get their free time. And I don't blame them. It has to be a trying existence. But you cannot expect to send these kids to schools like cattle and expect normal behavior from them, or expect that they will get special treatment. It's the government dumbasses. They will not do the extra. If parents have the ability/opportunity to send their children to schools that use a different method, then I would have no problem with the government funding those schools.
But to stop everything, move everyone away from a child that is having a meltdown, that is unrealistic. And if that is the method being used, then you are just providing daycare and not providing a learning environment.
Hell, forget special needs, I think every teacher should have a taser and be allowed to use it on normal students.