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http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3398934
Three Things I Can't Wait To See This Fall In The SEC
Ivan Maisel
1. Even with Ryan Perrilloux lining up for I-AA Jacksonville State, the biggest issue that LSU faces this fall is not finding a quarterback. The Tigers must replace 11 senior starters and another three on the two-deep. Sure, LSU has talent, but that kind of experience can keep the ship steady when things go wrong. That experience is why LSU became the first two-loss national champion.
2. Speaking of maturity, let's see how Georgia comes out of the box to play home games against Georgia Southern and Central Michigan. A team that finished No. 2 and has been told for eight months how good it is, can get a swelled head. Ask coach Mark Richt, a volunteer assistant on the 1988 Florida State team that opened the season with a 31-0 loss to Miami.
3. What does Florida coach Urban Meyer have cooked up for Tim Tebow? Does he continue to give him nearly half of the carries (210 of 487, 43.1 percent) as he did in 2007 and hope there's no injury worse than the broken right (non-throwing) hand he suffered against Florida State? Imagine how good Tebow will be if the Gators find a tailback.
Mark Schlabach
1. Georgia junior Matthew Stafford is considered a can't-miss NFL quarterback by most pro scouts and general managers. The big Texan has an extraordinarily strong arm and prototypical size. Bulldogs' coaches are so confident in Stafford, they often refer to him as the "truth." But after completing only 55 percent of his passes in 2007, Stafford needs to be more accurate if Georgia is indeed going to contend for a BCS championship.
2. New Auburn offensive coordinator Tony Franklin needed only two weeks to install his spread offense before the Tigers beat Clemson 23-20 in the Chick-Fil-A Bowl. With seven months to polish the attack during the offseason, Auburn might be poised to unseat defending BCS national champion LSU in the SEC West. Franklin must first decide whether Kodi Burns or juco transfer Chris Todd will start the season under center.
3. Florida receiver Percy Harvin is one of the fastest players in college football. Gators freshman Chris Rainey might be faster. If Harvin can recover from a heel injury that required surgery during the spring, the Gators might have the swiftest one-two punch in college football. Offensive coordinator Dan Mullen plans to use both players in multiple ways, causing sleepless nights for many SEC defensive coordinators.
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Also,
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3398132
Breaking down the SEC West
How will Bobby Petrino fare in his first year in Arkansas? Will Auburn's new offense take off? Can Sylvester Croom build off his first winning season at Mississippi State? Take a look at what questions were answered this spring and what problems linger heading into the fall.
Alabama Crimson Tide
2008 Schedule
Aug. 30 @ Clemson
Sept. 6 Tulane
Sept. 13 Western Kentucky
Sept. 20 @ Arkansas
Sept. 27 @ Georgia
Oct. 4 Kentucky
Oct. 18 Mississippi
Oct. 25 @ Tennessee
Nov. 1 Arkansas State
Nov. 8 @ LSU
Nov. 15 Mississippi State
Nov. 29 Auburn
2007 overall record:
7-6
2007 conference record:
4-4
Returning starters
Offense: 9, defense: 6, kicker/punter: 2
Top returners
QB John Parker Wilson, RB Terry Grant, C Antoine Caldwell, OT Andre Smith, LB Rolando McClain, SS Rashad Johnson, KR/PR Javier Arenas
Key losses
WR DJ Hall, WR Matt Caddell, WR Keith Brown, OG Justin Britt, DE Wallace Gilberry, LB Darren Mustin, CB Simeon Castille
2007 statistical leaders (* returners)
Rushing: Terry Grant* (891 yds)
Passing: John Parker Wilson* (2,846 yds)
Receiving: DJ Hall (1,005 yds)
Tackles: Rashad Johnson* (94)
Sacks: Wallace Gilberry (10)
Interceptions: Rashad Johnson* (6)
Spring answers
1. Grant-in-Aid: Despite offseason hernia surgery, sophomore running back Terry Grant was a blur during the spring. He solidified himself as Alabama 's most consistent playmaker with 108 all-purpose yards in the A-Day spring game, including a 75-yard touchdown reception. Look for the Crimson Tide to use Grant in a number of different ways. He's especially effective catching the ball out of the backfield.
2. McElwain digs in: New offensive coordinator Jim McElwain spent the spring installing his offense after coming over from Fresno State. The tight ends figure to play a larger role in McElwain's offense, and quarterback John Parker Wilson thinks the Crimson Tide will be able to better spread the ball around among the receivers.
3. The Saban touch: Now that Nick Saban has been in charge for two entire spring practices, look for the 2008 team to take on his personality and look more like a Nick Saban team. Saban said he could see a big difference this spring in terms of everybody doing things the way he wants them done. Clearly, that cohesion was missing a year ago when the Tide collapsed down the stretch.
Fall questions
1. In Wilson we trust: It will be interesting to see how much McElwain places on the shoulders of senior quarterback John Parker Wilson, who needs to play well and within himself if Alabama is going to contend this season. His finish to last season mirrored that of the team's, so consistency will be a key.
2. Freshmen to the rescue: All eyes will be on a top-rated recruiting class and how many of those guys can help this fall. Saban is urging as many as possible to be on campus by June, and it's no secret that the Alabama staff is counting on immediate help from the freshmen. Wide receiver Julio Jones and linebacker Jerrell Harris are the crown jewels of the class, and both play positions where Alabama could use some help.
3. Depth at linebacker: Sophomore Rolando McClain is a star in the making after earning freshman All-America honors last season. But his supporting cast at linebacker could be shaky. It's a position that will be brimming with inexperience. Prince Hall was suspended for the spring for behavior issues, and it's unknown when or if Ezekial Knight will be able to return because of a heart condition.
more importantly...
Auburn Tigers
2008 Schedule
Aug. 30 Louisiana-Monroe
Sept. 6 Southern Miss
Sept. 13 @ Mississippi State
Sept. 20 LSU
Sept. 27 Tennessee
Oct. 4 @ Vanderbilt
Oct. 11 Arkansas
Oct. 23 @ West Virginia
Nov. 1 at Mississippi
Nov. 8 Tennessee-Martin
Nov. 15 Georgia
Nov. 29 @ Alabama
2007 overall record:
9-4
2007 conference record:
5-3
Returning starters
Offense: 8, defense: 7, kicker/punter: 2
Top returners
RB Ben Tate, RB Brad Lester, WR Rod Smith, OG Tyronne Green, DE Antonio Coleman, DT Sen'Derrick Marks, SS Zac Etheridge
Key losses
QB Brandon Cox, TE Cole Bennett, OT King Dunlap, DE Quentin Groves, DT Pat Sims, NG Josh Thompson, CB Patrick Lee
2007 statistical leaders (* returners)
Rushing: Ben Tate* (903 yds)
Passing: Brandon Cox (2,080 yds)
Receiving: Rod Smith* (705 yds)
Tackles: Josh Thompson (67)
Sacks: Antonio Coleman* (8.5)
Interceptions: Patrick Lee/Jerraud Powers* (4)
Spring answers
1. Spreading it out: New offensive coordinator Tony Franklin installed his spread offense this spring, giving Auburn a new look from its traditional run-heavy offense. The Tigers won't completely abandon the run, particularly given their deep stable of running backs, but Franklin's offenses at Troy were renowned for their ability to spread people out and get the ball to a variety of different playmakers in the passing game. Keep an eye on versatile running back Mario Fannin.
2. Defensive muscle: Auburn lost marquee defensive linemen Quentin Groves and Pat Sims to the NFL draft, but don't feel sorry for the Tigers. Juniors Sen'Derrick Marks and Antonio Coleman both have star potential, and Marks can play both end and tackle. Coleman didn't start until the sixth game last season, but still finished with 8.5 sacks. Junior college transfer Raven Gray will also be heard from in the defensive line. Coach Tommy Tuberville said Gray might be as good a defensive lineman as he's signed at Auburn, which is saying something.
3. Paving the way: If it's true that you win up front offensively, Auburn should be in great shape this fall. All five starters return on the offensive line, and it's always nice to have that kind of experience when you're putting in a new offense. The same goes for breaking in a new quarterback. Whoever wins the quarterback job will have the luxury of playing behind a line that's been through its share of SEC battles.
Fall questions
1. Quarterback derby: The battle for the starting job between Kodi Burns and junior college transfer Chris Todd will extend into preseason practice. Franklin said it was too close to call in the spring and held off naming a starter. Burns adds the dimension of being able to scramble and make plays and played well in the spring game, but Todd played in Franklin's offense when he was in high school. Although Todd was slowed some in the spring by a sore throwing shoulder, he was the more consistent of the two throwing the ball.
2. Getting defensive: Franklin isn't the only new coordinator on the Auburn staff. Paul Rhoads takes over on defense after coming over from Pittsburgh, where he was the Panthers' defensive coordinator for the previous eight seasons. Speed has typically been the name of the game for the Tigers defensively on Tuberville's watch, but this is a group that will have to establish its own identity under Rhoads.
3. Staying healthy: The Tigers struggled to keep their running backs healthy in the spring. Fannin battled an injured shoulder, and Ben Tate was also banged up. Brad Lester was the only one of the three to make it through unscathed. Whoever adapts best to what Franklin wants to do will play the biggest role this fall. All three do different things well.
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The west is wide open. I've already commented on my opinion of what I expect. It's a three way race , AU,Bama and LSU.
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I just don't know how you can objectively include Alabama in a race for the West right now when they went 6-6 last year and they are going to have all the same players on the field...that makes no sense to me...
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I just don't know how you can objectively include Alabama in a race for the West right now when they went 6-6 last year and they are going to have all the same players on the field...that makes no sense to me...
Objectivity, logic and reason are concepts foreign to our crimson-necked neighbors.
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I just don't know how you can objectively include Alabama in a race for the West right now when they went 6-6 last year and they are going to have all the same players on the field...that makes no sense to me...
Correction. It's the same players minus the top play makers on both offense and defense. 7-6...lost 4 of the last 5 including La. Monroe and they're a contender for the West?
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I just don't know how you can objectively include Alabama in a race for the West right now when they went 6-6 last year and they are going to have all the same players on the field...that makes no sense to me...
Well, last year we lost half our starting Oline for 4 games. Any team would lose a game or two like that. (Not making an excuse but that hurts, I don't care what team you are)
Every running back we had was banged up throughout the year. Before Grant was hurt he was SEC player of the week twice. There are other problems too, including a new coaching staff, which means a new system. We shuffled players around to positions they'd never played to try and fit them in because we are stuck with '' some '' players that don't fit what this staff is trying to do. We had an offensive coordinator who shouldn't have been here.
We had a lot of reason for what happened last year. Despite all those problems our biggest loss was by seven points. The others were by 2, 3 4 points. With all the shit that happened last years we were in every game we played till the last. This same team that couldn't get their shit together held on till the last and ran pretty well with LSU, AU, Georgia, beat the hell outta Tenn. Yes we lost to MSU and LaMon. We had and still do have problems but with the things that have happened this off season and the difference the team has made from it's first year under Saban to this spring, it has been a huge leap.
This year the team has had one full year to understand what the coaches want for them.
The coaches, players and rest of the staff have noticed a big difference in strength, stamina and over all attitudes. That's just reports from people who are there. I don't know it to be fact but what else do fans have?
Any way, LSU will have some problems with a new D coordinator, loss of RP. It will cause Miles to have a few hiccups in a couple games he shouldn't.
AU is coming in with a new Dcoordinator and a whole new Offensive scheme. You don't make big changes like that and expect not to have some problems.
I could break it down a lot more but it's too long already.
Bottom line is I feel like all three teams have just a good shot as the other for the west. I don't think the question marks for any one of the three teams is anything each can't over come to win it.
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The west is wide open. I've already commented on my opinion of what I expect. It's a three way race , AU,Bama and LSU.
Cue Hogwally.
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Also let me be clear , I'm not crowning Bama SEC west winners either.
If any team has an advantage ,of the three, it's LSU.
As for AU and Bama. I don't think one is in any better shape to win the west than the other.
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Well, last year we lost half our starting Oline for 4 games. Any team would lose a game or two like that. (Not making an excuse but that hurts, I don't care what team you are)
Every running back we had was banged up throughout the year. Before Grant was hurt he was SEC player of the week twice. There are other problems too, including a new coaching staff, which means a new system. We shuffled players around to positions they'd never played to try and fit them in because we are stuck with '' some '' players that don't fit what this staff is trying to do. We had an offensive coordinator who shouldn't have been here.
We had a lot of reason for what happened last year. Despite all those problems our biggest loss was by seven points. The others were by 2, 3 4 points. With all the shit that happened last years we were in every game we played till the last. This same team that couldn't get their shit together held on till the last and ran pretty well with LSU, AU, Georgia, beat the hell outta Tenn. Yes we lost to MSU and LaMon. We had and still do have problems but with the things that have happened this off season and the difference the team has made from it's first year under Saban to this spring, it has been a huge leap.
This year the team has had one full year to understand what the coaches want for them.
The coaches, players and rest of the staff have noticed a big difference in strength, stamina and over all attitudes. That's just reports from people who are there. I don't know it to be fact but what else do fans have?
Any way, LSU will have some problems with a new D coordinator, loss of RP. It will cause Miles to have a few hiccups in a couple games he shouldn't.
AU is coming in with a new Dcoordinator and a whole new Offensive scheme. You don't make big changes like that and expect not to have some problems.
I could break it down a lot more but it's too long already.
Bottom line is I feel like all three teams have just a good shot as the other for the west. I don't think the question marks for any one of the three teams is anything each can't over come to win it.
New O-Coordinator in T-Town has no effect on Bama?
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Also let me be clear , I'm not crowning Bama SEC west winners either.
If any team has an advantage ,of the three, it's LSU.
As for AU and Bama. I don't think one is in any better shape to win the west than the other.
What the Fuck? :blink:
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What the Fuck? :blink:
I think we have as much a chance as you guys. Luck with injuries and whoever can pick up their new offenses quicker should come out on top.
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I think we have as much a chance as you guys. Luck with injuries and whoever can pick up their new offenses quicker should come out on top.
Hope springs eternal, I guess.
I might even be tempted into another wager with you regarding Bama's 2008 record.
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Bama's schedule is brutal. Clemson is supposedly a pre season top 10 team. You have to walk before you can sprint.
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I think we have as much a chance as you guys. Luck with injuries and whoever can pick up their new offenses quicker should come out on top.
I just don't see how you can think that Arkansas doesn't have just as good if not better chance than ya'll?
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I just don't see how you can think that Arkansas doesn't have just as good if not better chance than ya'll?
Naah, their quarterback's a dick.
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I was listening to JOX today while doing nothing at work, and they were discussing the fact that the bookies on Bodawg.com released the odds for the Heisman trophy winner in 2008. JPW was on the list and they had a good laugh about that. The odds are 50 to 1 by the way, if you want to throw a few down. I think the house might win.
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Naah, their quarterback's a dick.
Well it used to be a Johnson.
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JPW isn't a heisman. Not even close. He will have a good year though.
I think Petrino will do good at ARK. but this year will be too many mistakes for the team trying to get it all together. They are like AU in that the whole system has to go through a change.
I'm not going to argue on my opinion that I think we have as good a chance as you guys. For every reason you have that you guys can do it one could have for the arguement that we have a chance.
I'm not a koolaide drinking bammer that thinks we will win regardless. I feel like this year the way things happened on the coaching staffs with you guys, Ark, and Miles' situation with RP that it will allow us a little better chance to be more competetive in the west. Had you guys not lost your coordinators I think you'd be the clear favorites. And to answer someones question about our new offensive coordinator making that big of a difference, we will still run very close to the same thing we did last year. Only a few more rolll outs and terminology changed. It's not like the whole system has changed. JPW isn't all world but he does have alot of good game experience and I think that will help this year.
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Well it used to be a Johnson.
It seemed that Nutt was always right up underneath those two.
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JPW isn't a heisman. Not even close. He will have a good year though.
I think Petrino will do good at ARK. but this year will be too many mistakes for the team trying to get it all together. They are like AU in that the whole system has to go through a change.
I'm not going to argue on my opinion that I think we have as good a chance as you guys. For every reason you have that you guys can do it one could have for the arguement that we have a chance.
I'm not a koolaide drinking bammer that thinks we will win regardless. I feel like this year the way things happened on the coaching staffs with you guys, Ark, and Miles' situation with RP that it will allow us a little better chance to be more competetive in the west. Had you guys not lost your coordinators I think you'd be the clear favorites. And to answer someones question about our new offensive coordinator making that big of a difference, we will still run very close to the same thing we did last year. Only a few more rolll outs and terminology changed. It's not like the whole system has changed. JPW isn't all world but he does have alot of good game experience and I think that will help this year.
And how'd that offense work out for ya last year. You still have John I'm just gonna throw it as far as I can Wilson taking the snaps, and the defense is really gonna stink it up this year. But you keep on dreaming there sunshine. :thumbsup:
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And how'd that offense work out for ya last year. You still have John I'm just gonna throw it as far as I can Wilson taking the snaps, and the defense is really gonna stink it up this year. But you keep on dreaming there sunshine. :thumbsup:
and you think Burns and your offense is going to light it up?
Like I said, JPW had problems and we will this year but, he's got alot of good experience and He'll be much improved this year.
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and you think Burns and your offense is going to light it up?
Like I said, JPW had problems and we will this year but, he's got alot of good experience and He'll be much improved this year.
Hell Yeah!! I'll put your little avatar wager on this, Auburn will score more points during the season than bama will. You game?
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Hell Yeah!! I'll put your little avatar wager on this, Auburn will score more points during the season than bama will. You game?
No ,I want to keep that on the Iron Bowl. Unless your having second thoughts?
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No ,I want to keep that on the Iron Bowl. Unless your having second thoughts?
You're confusing your Auburn fans.
I've got your IB bet.
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You're confusing your Auburn fans.
I've got your IB bet.
Damn, your right. I didn't go back to check.
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We suck.
Don't worry about us at all. We'll be lucky to win our nonconference games. :rofl:
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I was listening to JOX today while doing nothing at work, and they were discussing the fact that the bookies on Bodawg.com released the odds for the Heisman trophy winner in 2008. JPW was on the list and they had a good laugh about that. The odds are 50 to 1 by the way, if you want to throw a few down. I think the house might win.
U work? :clap:
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U work? :clap:
Clearly I don't.
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Well, last year we lost half our starting Oline for 4 games. Any team would lose a game or two like that. (Not making an excuse but that hurts, I don't care what team you are)
Every running back we had was banged up throughout the year. Before Grant was hurt he was SEC player of the week twice. There are other problems too, including a new coaching staff, which means a new system. We shuffled players around to positions they'd never played to try and fit them in because we are stuck with '' some '' players that don't fit what this staff is trying to do. We had an offensive coordinator who shouldn't have been here.
We had a lot of reason for what happened last year. Despite all those problems our biggest loss was by seven points. The others were by 2, 3 4 points. With all the shit that happened last years we were in every game we played till the last. This same team that couldn't get their shit together held on till the last and ran pretty well with LSU, AU, Georgia, beat the hell outta Tenn. Yes we lost to MSU and LaMon. We had and still do have problems but with the things that have happened this off season and the difference the team has made from it's first year under Saban to this spring, it has been a huge leap.
This year the team has had one full year to understand what the coaches want for them.
The coaches, players and rest of the staff have noticed a big difference in strength, stamina and over all attitudes. That's just reports from people who are there. I don't know it to be fact but what else do fans have?
Any way, LSU will have some problems with a new D coordinator, loss of RP. It will cause Miles to have a few hiccups in a couple games he shouldn't.
AU is coming in with a new Dcoordinator and a whole new Offensive scheme. You don't make big changes like that and expect not to have some problems.
I could break it down a lot more but it's too long already.
Bottom line is I feel like all three teams have just a good shot as the other for the west. I don't think the question marks for any one of the three teams is anything each can't over come to win it.
Typical Bammer post here. A long winded response, to rebutt a bullet statement, that's full of blind predictions, vague explanations of what could have been, and a recap of all the woulda coulda shoulda moments from a season ago. If it wasn't a blowout, generally EVERY TEAM had those "if we had just done that", or "if we hadn't done this" moments.
Bammer has to prove SOMETHING first. In other words, you have to show you can win with ANY of your players, because frankly you don't have, what the Bear would call, "a winner" anywhere yet.
To say that Auburn and Alabama is on the same playing field right now is absolute delusion and crap. Seriously, beyond your own hopes and dreams, there is NOTHING that can be compared between the two. We're full of proven, experienced and winning players, while you have a roster full of "who knows?".
I've appreciated your usually level headedness in here, but every once in a while you take a major squat, then screw the pooch in the middle of a wide open well lit room.
Pure comedy gold BLS.... :rofl:
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Typical Bammer post here. A long winded response, to rebutt a bullet statement, that's full of blind predictions, vague explanations of what could have been, and a recap of all the woulda coulda shoulda moments from a season ago. If it wasn't a blowout, generally EVERY TEAM had those "if we had just done that", or "if we hadn't done this" moments.
Bammer has to prove SOMETHING first. In other words, you have to show you can win with ANY of your players, because frankly you don't have, what the Bear would call, "a winner" anywhere yet.
To say that Auburn and Alabama is on the same playing field right now is absolute delusion and crap. Seriously, beyond your own hopes and dreams, there is NOTHING that can be compared between the two. We're full of proven, experienced and winning players, while you have a roster full of "who knows?".
I've appreciated your usually level headedness in here, but every once in a while you take a major squat, then screw the pooch in the middle of a wide open well lit room.
Pure comedy gold BLS.... :rofl:
Well your superior complex and intellectual intelligence that is vastly superior to most is something I'm sure no one will mistake.
Does it matter that it's long winded? I didn't know this was the condensed version of this board. Hmm, thanks for that.
I thought this thread was The SEC Breakdown. Meaning it could be some predictions or maybe by some strange coincidence, ''opinion''. :jaw:
How many times have I said we were full of winners and we have '' what Bear would call winners''? Huh? For that matter how many times have AU fans brought up the Bear and accuse Bama fans of doing it? I hear it more on AU boards than any, any Bama site I visit. I don't live in the past, I might reference it but damn sure don't live in it. I'm also proud of it.
Read again, here is what I said.
''I'm not a Kool-Aid drinking bammer that thinks we will win regardless. I feel like this year the way things happened on the coaching staffs with you guys, Ark, and Miles' situation with RP that it will allow us a little better chance to be more competitive in the west''
If you think AU having two different coordinators and a complete change in offensive philosophy doesn't create a slight advantage for us to be more competitive and take a little slack off of our lack of depth then your not as smart as you appear to think you are, however it doesn't diminish your sarcastic prick nature. For a moment I though I was back on another board full of non substantial back biting drivel that is incapable of having any type of conversation about football.
You want to insult one another; I’m game dick head. You don't like my opinion? I’m good with that.
I understand your nature to dismiss anything Bama. It's what I expect from a homer.
Hang in there sparky things will be changing in the near future. They've already begun.
Oh yea, if you want the condensed ''bullet statement''
:fu:
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Well your superior complex and intellectual intelligence that is vastly superior to most is something I'm sure no one will mistake.
Does it matter that it's long winded? I didn't know this was the condensed version of this board. Hmm, thanks for that.
I thought this thread was The SEC Breakdown. Meaning it could be some predictions or maybe by some strange coincidence, ''opinion''. :jaw:
How many times have I said we were full of winners and we have '' what Bear would call winners''? Huh? For that matter how many times have AU fans brought up the Bear and accuse Bama fans of doing it? I hear it more on AU boards than any, any Bama site I visit. I don't live in the past, I might reference it but damn sure don't live in it. I'm also proud of it.
Read again, here is what I said.
''I'm not a Kool-Aid drinking bammer that thinks we will win regardless. I feel like this year the way things happened on the coaching staffs with you guys, Ark, and Miles' situation with RP that it will allow us a little better chance to be more competitive in the west''
If you think AU having two different coordinators and a complete change in offensive philosophy doesn't create a slight advantage for us to be more competitive and take a little slack off of our lack of depth then your not as smart as you appear to think you are, however it doesn't diminish your sarcastic prick nature. For a moment I though I was back on another board full of non substantial back biting drivel that is incapable of having any type of conversation about football.
You want to insult one another; I’m game dick head. You don't like my opinion? I’m good with that.
I understand your nature to dismiss anything Bama. It's what I expect from a homer.
Hang in there sparky things will be changing in the near future. They've already begun.
Oh yea, if you want the condensed ''bullet statement''
:fu:
That is by far my favorite Emoticon. Back to the conversation at hand, I see it as a three way race in the SEC West. LSU and Auburn are ahead of Bama, but Bama has a good chance considering they have one of the few returning QB's in the league. Arkansas has a chance, but I don't think it is that great for some reason. I feel that they will pull their usual and knock off a couple of unsuspecting teams. (Which is usually Auburn...fuckers). I think this season the SEC West will be more balanced/equal then any season for the past 3 years. Whoever goes to the Championship game from the West will have at least two conference losses.
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Hey AWK, can I have some of that shit your smokin?
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Well your superior complex and intellectual intelligence that is vastly superior to most is something I'm sure no one will mistake.
Does it matter that it's long winded? I didn't know this was the condensed version of this board. Hmm, thanks for that.
I thought this thread was The SEC Breakdown. Meaning it could be some predictions or maybe by some strange coincidence, ''opinion''. :jaw:
How many times have I said we were full of winners and we have '' what Bear would call winners''? Huh? For that matter how many times have AU fans brought up the Bear and accuse Bama fans of doing it? I hear it more on AU boards than any, any Bama site I visit. I don't live in the past, I might reference it but damn sure don't live in it. I'm also proud of it.
Read again, here is what I said.
''I'm not a Kool-Aid drinking bammer that thinks we will win regardless. I feel like this year the way things happened on the coaching staffs with you guys, Ark, and Miles' situation with RP that it will allow us a little better chance to be more competitive in the west''
If you think AU having two different coordinators and a complete change in offensive philosophy doesn't create a slight advantage for us to be more competitive and take a little slack off of our lack of depth then your not as smart as you appear to think you are, however it doesn't diminish your sarcastic prick nature. For a moment I though I was back on another board full of non substantial back biting drivel that is incapable of having any type of conversation about football.
You want to insult one another; I’m game dick head. You don't like my opinion? I’m good with that.
I understand your nature to dismiss anything Bama. It's what I expect from a homer.
Hang in there sparky things will be changing in the near future. They've already begun.
Oh yea, if you want the condensed ''bullet statement''
:fu:
First of all, now that you've blown up into a tirade I haven't seen since BG getting pushed over the edge once or twice, let me make something clear.
You're not going to persuade me to not be who I am, or break down what you've said because you'd like it to be more civil, or because your panties are so far up your ass you can't see through the crimson weave pattern.
My post pointed out exactly what it was, and you coming and pulling quotes from other posts doesn't change the fact that you said the following, and I'm paraphrasing:
"Auburn is on the same level as Alabama"
There is NO rhyme or reason, facts, or opinions that I would take as correct. I do it with color. I do it with angst, and I do it for yes, a hatred for Crimson blathering that is always present when it isn't warranted.
You have at least another year of proving ANYTHING before you put Auburn on the same level. All the other crap you speak about not being "a koolaid drinking bammer" and all the other mumbo jumbo slides out the windo when you compare our programs right now.
You can have yoru opinion, hold your finger high, say fuck you, call me a prick, do whatever, but just ignore me if you can't handle it.
The bottom line is BLS, your opinion or not, it's MY opinion, that you haven't proven a freaking thing on the field, in discipline, in coaching and necessarily YETTTTT at recruiting. You haven't got a single kid on the field of play yet. You have NO facts to base ANY opinion on.
Think about it for two seconds. You completely discount Arkansas, that has rebuilding to do, but instead of comparing yourselves to a very capable school in Fayettville, you immediately (because you're a bammer) start talking about why you deserve somehow to be mentioned in the same breath as teams that have either won championships, won 9-10 games a year, or beaten you 6 times in a row. You can't. You're just simply not there yet.
So, again, I call you the blowhard bammer you are. Take it or leave it, I really don't care. Ask anyone around here if it's EVER mattered before.
Please, please for all that is holy, back up for just ONCE, something one of your incoming freshmen have done ON THE FIELD that tells me Alabama should be a contender THIS YEAR.
The floor is yours.
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Hey AWK, can I have some of that shit your smokin?
Please, sir, explain to me how that opinion/analysis was in any way ridiculous? Oh master of contributing nothing.
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Paraphrasing? You mean putting words in my mouth. Don't twist what I said. You are correct though, I'm trying to be more civil first. I'm making sure that I attempt to do that. I certainly do not want that to be an issue. You want that out the window then have it your way.
You’re choosing not to take everything I said and ''paraphrasing'' comments to make you seem cute.
What the fuck are you talking about? Persuade you to changing who you are? I highly doubt a person of your intellegence would allow that to happen.
Speaking of panties, have you checked yours lately? They are quite the AU colors and they're riding high. Funny how that is a one way street there. What response do you expect when you come off like that? You don't want ''unwarranted crimson blathering''? Don't read then. It's that simple. Problem solved. You know your advice works both ways. Ignore me if you don't like my opinion. You want to get cute with smart assed comments expect to get some in return. Why you so surprised by recieving what you gave out man? Remember you responded to my opinion first off with your back handed insult.
I get it, you don't like Bama, Good fucking deal. I'm proud of you. Nothing new here.
Preach on brother. Keep up the good fight. :taunt:
The nice thing about my opinion is that I don't need anything from you or what you believe I need to have one. Its validity is as credible as yours in the eyes that matter, mine.
As far as Ark. keep reading. Damn man, I explained why I feel the way I do about them. It 's the same reason I think AU's situation gives us a little edge. You didn't comment on that though.
Man, get with it here. Where did I say we are right with you? Don't pull that bullshit ''paraphrasing'' comment out either.
Our incoming freshmen are just that, freshmen. I expect some to contribute and have freshmen success and mistakes. Just like all freshmen that play. Some do very well, some don't. I certainly am not making the argument that that is why we are going to have a little bit of an advantage in the west earlier than I had thought.
I'll do this again, just for you.
Your situation with coordinators along with the complete change in offensive philosophy will help even out our lack of depth.
Where did you get freshmen from?? Is that another ‘‘paraphrase’’?
Don't be a dick and then holler about someone being a dick.
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Please, sir, explain to me how that opinion/analysis was in any way ridiculous? Oh master of contributing nothing.
I think that we will be the winner of the west. So therefore, who are two conference losses? I am seeing one against UGA, but the rest of the conference games, I feel that we should have the advantage, and won't have any other conference losses. The reason that I am confident about the LSU game is because it's at home, and early in the year. I have always based my opinion of the AU/LSU game on what time of year we play them, so that would still be true even if Perriloux was still there.
Now I will go back to quick hitters, and being the "master of contributing nothing".
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ssg, go contribute some more pics of scantily clad women. Yes, yes, we will win the West....6 months from now or whatever. It's not football season. I want near naked women. Now, get on that and earn your keep around here. AWK, if you have some shit to smoke, you've been holding out on me. Now damnit, quit bogartin' the doobage and hook a brother up.
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BLS, you can't hide your "gridiron" past bud. I applaud you wanting to stay civil, but while I was doing nothing different that what I've always done to bammer posters that cross the line into delusion here, you came unglued. Fine, you've reeled it back in. You and I have gone back and forth many times on AUN, so this is NOT something new for you.
Now, with that said...
You think Alabama can win the West. You think it IS possible. I agree. It also think it is possible that a Saban might actually be recruiting from the top of the Apollo rocket at Huntsville's space museum. In another words, it's all fine and dandy to be "possible". What Bama fans don't get, is that you've been rocked with poor coaching, recruiting, execution on the field and off the field now for years. You do not, nor can you come back from that in one or two years. You had a clean slate to offer top notch talent to come in and get immediate playing time. Any program in Division 1A football that has a clean slate to offer, will do well in recruiting. Problem is, it takes more than 20 "maybes" to be great.
Arkansas is rebuilding and has just as much a shot as Bammer. In my opinion, because of continuity, Miss St. has a better shot than Bama. Ole Miss has a shot I believe, just because of what I've seen out of Houston Nutt in the past. I do NOT see Alabama in any better position than these bottom West side teams. You might disagree, I expect that, but it IS you that's lost to Miss St. TWICE in a row, and got beat by LA Monroe.
We know it's only your opinion that you feel that Bama will compete for the title, because frankly what else could it be?? It certainly isn't based on fact or reason. It isn't based on past performance. There's also no documented history to back you up, so you're left with ONLY your obvious opinion.
What I CAN say as MY opinion based on documented FACT, is that Auburn and LSU, are by far and away the class of the West. We have proven, experienced players. Proven coaching, regardless of new coordinators, and a record of beating Alabama like a red headed step child for 6 years straight. That's FACT. It's not something I'm making up because it makes me feel better, unlike any Bammer who is campaigning here to get people to agree with them.
So, whether it's civil, colorful, cussing, flipping off emoticons or whatever, it doesn't change the fact, that you can poo-poo all the opinions you want, it is NOT and can not be backed up by ANYTHING. ....and THAT has to suck.
So.... :fu:
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I think that we will be the winner of the west. So therefore, who are two conference losses? I am seeing one against UGA, but the rest of the conference games, I feel that we should have the advantage, and won't have any other conference losses. The reason that I am confident about the LSU game is because it's at home, and early in the year. I have always based my opinion of the AU/LSU game on what time of year we play them, so that would still be true even if Perriloux was still there.
Now I will go back to quick hitters, and being the "master of contributing nothing".
See, I agree with the UGA loss. I also think there is always a chance that we might lose to Arkansas or Alabama. I would love to have only one SEC loss. Oh yeah, here you go SSG, puff puff then pass it to Harvey so he will stop bothering me.
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That's better. Now, find me young, nubile law school flesh, preferably of the female persuasion, and I will leave you alone. I crave flat-bellied women.
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That's better. Now, find me young, nubile law school flesh, preferably of the female persuasion, and I will leave you alone. I crave flat-bellied women.
Preferably? Not too picky, are we?
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BLS, you can't hide your "gridiron" past bud. I applaud you wanting to stay civil, but while I was doing nothing different that what I've always done to bammer posters that cross the line into delusion here, you came unglued. Fine, you've reeled it back in. You and I have gone back and forth many times on AUN, so this is NOT something new for you.
Now, with that said...
You think Alabama can win the West. You think it IS possible. I agree. It also think it is possible that a Saban might actually be recruiting from the top of the Apollo rocket at Huntsville's space museum. In another words, it's all fine and dandy to be "possible". What Bama fans don't get, is that you've been rocked with poor coaching, recruiting, execution on the field and off the field now for years. You do not, nor can you come back from that in one or two years. You had a clean slate to offer top notch talent to come in and get immediate playing time. Any program in Division 1A football that has a clean slate to offer, will do well in recruiting. Problem is, it takes more than 20 "maybes" to be great.
Arkansas is rebuilding and has just as much a shot as Bammer. In my opinion, because of continuity, Miss St. has a better shot than Bama. Ole Miss has a shot I believe, just because of what I've seen out of Houston Nutt in the past. I do NOT see Alabama in any better position than these bottom West side teams. You might disagree, I expect that, but it IS you that's lost to Miss St. TWICE in a row, and got beat by LA Monroe.
We know it's only your opinion that you feel that Bama will compete for the title, because frankly what else could it be?? It certainly isn't based on fact or reason. It isn't based on past performance. There's also no documented history to back you up, so you're left with ONLY your obvious opinion.
What I CAN say as MY opinion based on documented FACT, is that Auburn and LSU, are by far and away the class of the West. We have proven, experienced players. Proven coaching, regardless of new coordinators, and a record of beating Alabama like a red headed step child for 6 years straight. That's FACT. It's not something I'm making up because it makes me feel better, unlike any Bammer who is campaigning here to get people to agree with them.
So, whether it's civil, colorful, cussing, flipping off emoticons or whatever, it doesn't change the fact, that you can poo-poo all the opinions you want, it is NOT and can not be backed up by ANYTHING. ....and THAT has to suck.
So.... :fu:
I'm not trying to ''hide'' my posting on that sorry excuse for a board. Fact is, a lot of folks here knew who I was. I was invited here by one of your members. I've appreciated his invite. I'm simply trying to find a better quality of AU fans, but your fucking all that up with your disdain for all things NOT AU. Your 100% intolerance for anything that doesn't toe the homer viewpoint you carry is so boring and tiresome. You are incapable of being rational or tolerant to any opinion that doesn't adhere to yours. You’re not interested in discussing it, only bashing opinions you disagree with. That's the fucking shit that that other board is plagued with and is running it into the ground. You’re doing your part by bringing it over here.
What you are doing here is the same rhetoric you were doing on the other site. You pick and pick and pick till you run off people who don't fall in line with you or your opinion. You freely give out advice to ignore but won't take your own advice.
Attempting to discuss anything with you is impossible. You do not want to discuss anything. You want to go straight to being a Kool-Aid drinking barner with the exact same traits as bammers you so love to make fun of. You add no sustenance to a discussion other than how much Bama sucks. That every Bama fan that has pride and high expectations and optimism are redneck Bammers. That same old boring ass shit has been played out over and over.
Instead of being a smartass in your first responce, did it ever occur to you that if you submitted a valid question without being a sarcastic typical fan boy homer the discussion could have moved on to better facts and information? Maybe even something enjoyable. I'm sure you didn't because that isn't what you want.
I tried to take the high road with you and as expected you won't have it. I didn't want any of the bullshit that happened on that god-forsaken site to bleed over to here. Again you won't have it. Thanks for fucking that up too!
I can see the only way for me to enjoy the atmosphere and the other people here is to disregard you as the one track minded ass you are.
Trying to be civil and have some back and forth fun with a rival is something you obviously can't grasp.
I guess every fan base has to have their share.
This is a no win situation. I left this shit over there and I'd prefer this shit to stay there.
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Wow, someone's campaigning for the "poor me" award BIG TIME. Okay, so I'm an ass, and I'm impossible to talk to. I got it all five times you brought it up. Oh, and I've never seen so much pandering to the "I hate AUN" crowd in my life. While my gripe with AUN doesn't run as deep as some on here, I'm plenty versed on why people left, and it wasn't because there were big bad AuburnChopper1 types makeing people feel sad and emotional. Knowing what some DID go through there, your "poor me" attitude is silly, and misplaced.
I guess you're desperate for defense here, and if you appear to be one of the jilted from AUN, you'll get some much needed support here. Seriously, WoW!.... :rimshot:
So after ALLLLLL that, you NEVER, as expected, answer my question, or blessed us with your "Facts" to back up your "Opinion" about why we should all consider Bama a "CONTENDER" right now. I'm sure you have tape, facts, documents, records, and experienced players on the field that should make me and other Auburn, or any other SEC fans go, "you know, bama is a force, RIGHT NOW!".
You can't. Since you didn't like how I cornered you, you took the poor me, Chopper's an asshole route. Well, thanks for something different. Okay, so I'm an asshole. Can you answer the fucking question or not?
Do I make you uncomfortable? Should we turn this down a few notches to at least PG-13 so you can hang?
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Preferably? Not too picky, are we?
Totally depends on whether or not anyone would know about it.
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Ain't no poor me and did I mention how much I hate that fucking site you call home and keep stirred up? You do your job well. Honestly I'm just sick of the bullshit you spew over there and now over here. I told you I've had enough of that shit over there.
I'm done with your bullshit. Find someone else to fucking pester. There's no fun in arguing with a know it all little prick such as yourself. Like I said, it's a no win.
I'm done with you barner. Yea , it's dickheads like you that giva AU fans that embarassing and bad name.
I don't have any more to say to you.
Have a nice day fuck face. :)
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Ain't no poor me and did I mention how much I hate that fucking site you call home and keep stirred up? You do your job well. Honestly I'm just sick of the bullshit you spew over there and now over here. I told you I've had enough of that shit over there.
I'm done with your bullshit. Find someone else to fucking pester. There's no fun in arguing with a know it all little prick such as yourself. Like I said, it's a no win.
I'm done with you barner. Yea , it's dickheads like you that giva AU fans that embarassing and bad name.
I don't have any more to say to you.
Have a nice day fuck face. :)
Do I call that other site "home"? ..umm.. hardly. Oooookay though...
I'm not sure.... wait....
Yeah, I'm pretty sure you just proved everything I said to be true.... you couldn't hide it. You're a ticking time bomb of Bammertardation..... and now we've seen you go BOOM!
Oh...and still no answer to the question, just INCREASED hostility. I wouldn't think you'd have anything left. Good to see the old "Gridiron" back to his usual ways.
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I think that we will be the winner of the west. So therefore, who are two conference losses? I am seeing one against UGA, but the rest of the conference games, I feel that we should have the advantage, and won't have any other conference losses. The reason that I am confident about the LSU game is because it's at home, and early in the year. I have always based my opinion of the AU/LSU game on what time of year we play them, so that would still be true even if Perriloux was still there.
Now I will go back to quick hitters, and being the "master of contributing nothing".
The LSU,AU game, that might be the game that springs you guys or it could be the one that puts a hurt on your season. True playing them early is to AU's advantage. I think you guys will be a little farther ahead of them as far as the offense clicking.With a win against LSU I think AU will be riding high when Tenn comes to town. That's still going to be a tough game. You go to Vandy then come home for Ark. If AU is undefeated at this point then heading into Morgantown should be do able. If that happens then obviously Franklin has pulled something I wouldn't have thought he could. At that point AU makes it in. Now if LSU comes to town and wins it won't mean the end but I think it will make things a bit more interesting towards the end of the season for the west title. You guys do have your toughest games at home though, except the Bama game.
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The LSU,AU game, that might be the game that springs you guys or it could be the one that puts a hurt on your season. True playing them early is to AU's advantage. I think you guys will be a little farther ahead of them as far as the offense clicking.With a win against LSU I think AU will be riding high when Tenn comes to town. That's still going to be a tough game. You go to Vandy then come home for Ark. If AU is undefeated at this point then heading into Morgantown should be do able. If that happens then obviously Franklin has pulled something I wouldn't have thought he could. At that point AU makes it in. Now if LSU comes to town and wins it won't mean the end but I think it will make things a bit more interesting towards the end of the season for the west title. You guys do have your toughest games at home though, except the Bama game.
I agree with that. The good thing about the stretch run for us this year, is that we'll have been tested early and often.
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:tits:
At least he ended on a positive note this time.
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You guys do have your toughest games at home though, except the Bama game.
Bryant-Denny is practically home turf for us.
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Bryant-Denny is practically home turf for us.
Or better. We've lost at home before.
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Bryant-Denny is practically home turf for us.
Yea ,I can't deny that. :puke:
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Hola!! I am sorry I am late to the party! I am getting ready for a little golf trip in a couple weeks, so I've been keeping my nose down trying to clean out the in box.
I am happy to see everyone continues to overlook my hogs. I do not know what we are going to do this year, namely because we are switching to more of a zone defense in the secondary, which I am not thrilled about, and our only decent LB apparently beat up his girlfriend this spring and is off the team for now. However, we finally have some quality depth in the lines on both sides of the ball and a senior QB with lots of experience, so hope is eternal.
Personally I think we have as much chance as anyone. We lost some incredible running backs, but I think we will be able to pass a little more effectively under the new coach, and the O-line will again be excellent. We'll see on the other side of the ball, I think we will be in several shoot-outs.
I am a little worried about my fellow hog fans and their hero worship of Petrino. It is almost as bad as the man-crush the bammers have for $aban. I think we made an upgrade in coaches, but some seem to think Petrino can walk on water. (Everyone knows only $aban can do that).
I know I am somewhat of an outsider on this board, but do you guys really think you're going to accomplish anything by picking apart each other's posts, then calling each other names? not that big of a deal because I can just scan past it, but it means I have to pan thru 4 pages of crap to find a couple of good posts, instead of just 1 or 2.
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I know I am somewhat of an outsider on this board, but do you guys really think you're going to accomplish anything by picking apart each other's posts, then calling each other names? not that big of a deal because I can just scan past it, but it means I have to pan thru 4 pages of crap to find a couple of good posts, instead of just 1 or 2.
True dat.
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Picked up an Athlon SEC last night...I know, I know, but I'm a sucker for those things every year and I need something to read while growing a tail. Anyway, they had the Hawgs as one of the 5 teams on the decline along with Kentucky. I can understand UK because they just had a cycle of surprisingly good athletes like Woodson, Little and several receivers come through. I can also see the assumption that McFadden and Jones were the whole team because that's all ESPN pimped about Arky. But, you can say what you want about Coach "You're free to move about the country" Petrino. The fact is he can coach college football and the Hawgs will be competitive at the very least to start out with. If he stays, he will make them very good, not a team on the decline.
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Picked up an Athlon SEC last night...I know, I know, but I'm a sucker for those things every year and I need something to read while growing a tail. Anyway, they had the Hawgs as one of the 5 teams on the decline along with Kentucky. I can understand UK because they just had a cycle of surprisingly good athletes like Woodson, Little and several receivers come through. I can also see the assumption that McFadden and Jones were the whole team because that's all ESPN pimped about Arky. But, you can say what you want about Coach "You're free to move about the country" Petrino. The fact is he can coach college football and the Hawgs will be competitive at the very least to start out with. If he stays, he will make them very good, not a team on the decline.
There is no way Arkansas is on a "decline." They may be rebuilding a little.
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There is no way Arkansas is on a "decline." They may be rebuilding a little.
Common sense tells you though, if Bama is supposed to contend, and Arkansas is going from the top of the West to the bottom...that my friend, is a "decline".
The one question I DID ask BLS that he never could, and never would answer was a valid one. It appears that you disagree that Arkansas is on the decline. If that's the case, then how would you support Alabama being one of the top teams in the West? Are there six teams in the West, or sixteen? There's only so many places to go.
In MY opinion, Bama hasn't got enough built up, even though they'd seem to have some forward momentum for the first time in YEARRRRSSSSS. They have too far to go yet when you're talking about teams with established players and coaches to be a serious contender. Can they get lucky? Can they out perform expectations? Sure, but so can Ole Miss, Miss St (who's beat them twice in a row), and certainly Arkansas.
So, I agree that Arkansas is on the decline, only because they just do not have the cogs in the same machine. They however, could replace those one or two spots and be in just as good, if not better shape than Mississippi's squads, or Bama.
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Common sense tells you though, if Bama is supposed to contend, and Arkansas is going from the top of the West to the bottom...that my friend, is a "decline".
The one question I DID ask BLS that he never could, and never would answer was a valid one. It appears that you disagree that Arkansas is on the decline. If that's the case, then how would you support Alabama being one of the top teams in the West? Are there six teams in the West, or sixteen? There's only so many places to go.
In MY opinion, Bama hasn't got enough built up, even though they'd seem to have some forward momentum for the first time in YEARRRRSSSSS. They have too far to go yet when you're talking about teams with established players and coaches to be a serious contender. Can they get lucky? Can they out perform expectations? Sure, but so can Ole Miss, Miss St (who's beat them twice in a row), and certainly Arkansas.
So, I agree that Arkansas is on the decline, only because they just do not have the cogs in the same machine. They however, could replace those one or two spots and be in just as good, if not better shape than Mississippi's squads, or Bama.
Well, in Bama's case you can't really decline if you are on the bottom. :poke: I just think that Arkansas lost talent, but decline would be a word better suited for what will happen to Kentucky this season.
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Well, in Bama's case you can't really decline if you are on the bottom. :poke: I just think that Arkansas lost talent, but decline would be a word better suited for what will happen to Kentucky this season.
Touche. :flag:
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Nobody really knows what to prepare for with Petrino. he ran a conservative, play action offence while OC here. He went to UL and lit it up. To me, Arky's success depends (Like ours does) on finding a QB to adequately run Petrino's system. They're an unknown but certainly not in decline. Decline from what? Were they in the Sugar Bowl last year?
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There is no way Arkansas is on a "decline." They may be rebuilding a little.
Of course they are rebuilding. If anyone thinks a whole new coaching staff doesn't equate to some bumps in the road isn't being truthful.
That is going to cause a few problems. Does it mean they won't have some good games, beat some teams or even lose some games they should have won? Nope. The west division has question marks on every team. Frankly ,I think that because of all the changes in the west it causes Bama to to be competetive a little sooner than we would have if these changes hadn't occured at AU,LSU,or Ark. I would not be inclined to feel this way had the west not had these changes.
We were competetive in every game we played last year despite all the excuses. We are returning a very good offensive line, a QB that is experienced ( say whay you want but I'd prefer him over any freshman) along with a very good stable of running backs, all healthy now. The defense should should be serviceable. It won't be a huge improvement but there won't be any drop off either. We have questions but, so does every team in the west and I don't think the questions we have are any worse than any other team in the west
Opinions can be argued all day, it's in the eye of the beholder.
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Of course they are rebuilding. If anyone thinks a whole new coaching staff doesn't equate to some bumps in the road isn't being truthful.
That is going to cause a few problems. Does it mean they won't have some good games, beat some teams or even lose some games they should have won? Nope. The west division has question marks on every team. Frankly ,I think that because of all the changes in the west it causes Bama to to be competetive a little sooner than we would have if these changes hadn't occured at AU,LSU,or Ark. I would not be inclined to feel this way had the west not had these changes.
We were competetive in every game we played last year despite all the excuses. We are returning a very good offensive line, a QB that is experienced ( say whay you want but I'd prefer him over any freshman) along with a very good stable of running backs, all healthy now. The defense should should be serviceable. It won't be a huge improvement but there won't be any drop off either. We have questions but, so does every team in the west and I don't think the questions we have are any worse than any other team in the west
Opinions can be argued all day, it's in the eye of the beholder.
What you beholdin buddy? William Holdin.
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Opinions can be argued all day, it's in the eye of the beholder.
Yeah, some just base their opinions on SOME facts. Some on fantasy alone. :popcorn: