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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: AUChizad on June 01, 2009, 01:42:17 PM
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Sad. While none will flatout admit it, it's clear that bammers are shitting their pants with fear from a combination of the impending NCAA sanctions and the success of the "Big Cat Weekend."
Their homer beatwriters are cranking out the sabotage pieces left and right.
Here, Evan Woodberry is attempting to deflect the NCAA to Auburn, I suppose. They always try shit like this when the hammer is about to come down on them (see Sociologygate).
http://blog.al.com/auburnbeat/2009/05/auburn_to_review_possible_seco.html (http://blog.al.com/auburnbeat/2009/05/auburn_to_review_possible_seco.html)
Auburn to review possible secondary violations from 'Big Cat' weekend
Posted by Evan Woodbery, Press-Register May 31, 2009 9:57 PM
Categories: Football
Auburn University
Toomer's Corner after an unidentified football game.AUBURN -- Auburn is examining whether any NCAA rules were broken during Saturday's "Big Cat" recruiting weekend.
An Auburn spokesperson told the Press-Register Sunday that the university had not determined if any NCAA secondary violations occurred, but would review the event this week.
Auburn hosted roughly two-dozen top prospects on unofficial visits, providing an activity-packed weekend that culminated in the rolling of Toomer's Corner late Saturday in front of more than 100 cheering fans.
At least two NCAA bylaws may have been breached during the weekend.
Although NCAA rules (Bylaw 13.10.6) bar the introduction of visiting student-athletes during any function, videos of the event posted on two Web sites show the crowd cheering as the players are introduced by name, position and hometown. The man yelling the introductions does not appear on the videos, but assistant head coach Trooper Taylor is shown leading the crowd in cheers immediately after the introductions.
Introduction of student-athletes would be a secondary violation and would not affect the athletes' eligibility.
NCAA Bylaw 13.10.5 prevents schools from publicizing an athlete's visit or allowing the visitor to "participate in team activities that would make the public or media aware of the prospective student-athlete's visit to the institution (e.g., running out of the tunnel with team, celebratory walks to or around the stadium/arena, on-field pregame celebrations)."
The rolling of Toomer's Corner was advertised on all three major Web sites that cover Auburn Saturday, with push-pinned message board posts urging fans to attend. The posts did not attribute the information to coaches or other Auburn staff members.
However, many fans did show up for what was clearly a planned event. Auburn police provided crowd and traffic control. Aubie, Auburn's mascot, helped lead cheers.
Any violation of this bylaw would also be a secondary institutional violation and would not affect a player's eligibility.
Generally, secondary violations are considered routine, and most universities regularly report minor violations of NCAA bylaws to their conference offices and the NCAA.
All prospects at Auburn on Saturday were on unofficial, or unpaid visits. Players are limited to five official visits beginning at the start of their senior year of high school. There is no limit on unofficial visits, but players and family members must pay for their own transportation, lodging, food and entertainment.
NCAA bylaws also bar prospects from participating in "game-day simulations" during an unofficial visit. While Toomer's Corner is rolled after football victories, it is also used for celebrations in other sports. It is sometimes rolled for community events and was even rolled after the election of Barack Obama in November.
Auburn hosted several elite prospects during the weekend, including running backs Lache Seastrunk (Temple, Texas) and Marcus Lattimore (Duncan, S.C.), receiver Trovon Reed (Thibodaux, La.) and linebackers Khairi Fortt (Stamford, Conn.) and LaDarius Owens (Bessemer). Seastrunk and Lattimore are ranked as the first and second best running backs in the country, respectively, by Rivals.com
Here Scarbinsky comes up with a Chizik bashing piece as a direct response to the "Big Cat Weekend". Basically an open letter to these recruits begging them not to go to Auburn "cause don't forget, Chizik was 5-19 at Iowa State. Did I mention Chizik was 5-19?"
http://blog.al.com/kevin-scarbinsky/2009/05/scarbinsky_secs_rookie_coaches.html (http://blog.al.com/kevin-scarbinsky/2009/05/scarbinsky_secs_rookie_coaches.html)
What do Gene Chizik and Lane Kiffin have in common?
Wait. Is this a trick question?
At first blush, they're as different as Auburn and Tennessee orange.
Gene Chizik will be one of three SEC rookies roaming the sidelines this fall. Chizik has perfected the art of speaking without saying anything while Kiffin is a walking, talking voodoo doll. Every time he opens his mouth, a rival winces as if someone just lanced his eardrum with a straight pin.
OK, so they're not clones, but neither are they strangers.
By virtue of their new posts, they're 1-2 on Alabama's enemies list, in no particular order.
When they stand on opposite sidelines Oct. 3, it won't be the first time.
They schemed against each other in the greatest BCS game ever played, with Chizik as the Texas defensive boss and Kiffin as the USC offensive whiz in the Rose Bowl that gave the 2005 national title to the Longhorns.
Many more moons ago, as the defensive coordinator at Central Florida, Chizik would pick the brain of Kiffin's dad, Monte, then the defensive guru of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
Oh, and Chizik and Kiffin the Younger have one more thing in common. Along with Dan Mullen, they make up the SEC freshman coaching class of 2009.
Let's be kind and say, based on their resumes to date, they have a fantastic opportunity to defy the experts.
Look at the record.
Chizik won five games in two years at Iowa State.
Kiffin won five games in less than two years with the Oakland Raiders.
Mullen's career mark: 0-0. He's undefeated and winless.
Do the math, and you don't even need your toes. The SEC's three new head coaches have combined to win 10 games in their careers as head coaches.
Is this the best conference in college football?
Or Junior Achievement?
Has the SEC ever welcomed, at the same time, more head coaches who've done less? If this were a recruiting class, it would be UAB.
It's easy to argue that Chizik, Kiffin and Mullen are good football coaches, but their best work was done as assistants. It's impossible to know if any or all of them will be good head coaches because, so far, they haven't been.
Lane Kiffin is making more noise than rookie coaches Gene Chizik and Dan Mullen, but is that a good thing?To make their jobs tougher, they'll be trying to learn on the job against some of the best minds in the business. Consider the collective accomplishments of the rest of the SEC's head coaches:
Six of them have won one or more BCS bowl games. Five of them have won one or more SEC titles. Four of them have won at least one national championship.
And that's after losing Tommy Tuberville and his SEC title/undefeated season and Phillip Fulmer and his BCS championship.
The argument in favor of Chizik and Kiffin vs. Tuberville and Fulmer is that, because they've done a lot less, it makes them hungrier to do more.
Witness the recruiting successes, on short notice, of both Auburn and Tennessee in their 2009 signing classes. Hear the buzz Auburn has created with the Tiger Prowl limo tour and the current Big Cat Weekend.
Getting the top two prep running backs in the nation and other high school studs on your campus at the same time doesn't mean they'll return to suit up one day, but it beats not getting them on your campus.
Of course, a weekend in May can be only so impressive.
It's the weekends in September, October and November that count.
We won't know till then whether the new cats in the conference really can run a team with the big dogs.
Which of the three newcomers has the best chance to become an old-timer? Don't bet the house, but put a nickel on Chizik.
So far, he's proven the most adept at keeping his mind open and his mouth shut.
Pathetic...
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I am not scared.
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Run...rabbit run.
Dig that hole, forget the sun.
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Yup, the "Process" is in full swing.
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Turn on WJOX. Ian and Lance have run out of toilet paper. The shit is just piling up on their show.
Their talking points? Lache (Lake, dickweeds) Seastrunk had the audacity to call out Nick Saban. Auburn PURPOSEFULLY and BLATENTLY (yeah right, fuckheads) committed violations this weekend.
Their reasoning?
Chizik and crew have had enough experience as college coaches to know what's legal and what isn't. For them to have the recruits' names called out at an organized event at Toomer's was a blatent violation.
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Here, Ian Rappaport riles up the bammers by posting Seastrunk's comments on Saban.
http://blog.al.com/rapsheet/2009/05/auburn_recruiting_target_lache.html (http://blog.al.com/rapsheet/2009/05/auburn_recruiting_target_lache.html)
Auburn recruiting target Lache Seastrunk publicly calls out Nick Saban during "Big Cat Weekend"
Posted by Ian R. Rapoport -- The Birmingham News May 31, 2009 10:24 PM
Categories: Football, Recruiting
Inside the Auburn Tigers photo
Lache Seastrunk, post-rollingEven the non-recruitniks out there have probably heard about Auburn's "Big Cat Weekend," and if you didn't you can read all about it here. A very interesting idea, actually.
But as the videos circulate of the recruiting soiree, a few interesting tidbits have popped up. But, since this isn't an Auburn blog, you probably want to hear about the Alabama-related things, right?
So, let's bring your attention to two videos taken during the rolling of Toomer's Corner.
And both times, five-star running back recruit Lache Seastrunk, a top target for the Tigers, calls out Alabama coach Nick Saban by name.
Check these out:
-- About a minute into this video from the Opelika-Auburn News, as someone is announcing the name of Bessemer linebacker Ladarius Owens, Seastrunk yells, "Hey, tell Nick Saban, he's S.O.L!" That means, Saban is, um, apparently out of luck for Owens' recruitment.
-- At the very end of this video from AuburnSports.com, Seastrunk says into the camera, "What's up, Nick Saban? Wait 'til we get here." (You may need a subscription for this one.)
[Update: This is the Youtube clip of Rivals.com's video. Easier to see.]
Not that either of those comments are crazy or anything. It's just that you rarely hear a recruit call out a current coach.
So there you go...
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Sad. While none will flatout admit it, it's clear that bammers are shitting their pants with fear from a combination of the impending NCAA sanctions and the success of the "Big Cat Weekend."
Their homer beatwriters are cranking out the sabotage pieces left and right.
Here, Evan Woodberry is attempting to deflect the NCAA to Auburn, I suppose. They always try shit like this when the hammer is about to come down on them (see Sociologygate).
http://blog.al.com/auburnbeat/2009/05/auburn_to_review_possible_seco.html (http://blog.al.com/auburnbeat/2009/05/auburn_to_review_possible_seco.html)
Here Scarbinsky comes up with a Chizik bashing piece as a direct response to the "Big Cat Weekend". Basically an open letter to these recruits begging them not to go to Auburn "cause don't forget, Chizik was 5-19 at Iowa State. Did I mention Chizik was 5-19?"
http://blog.al.com/kevin-scarbinsky/2009/05/scarbinsky_secs_rookie_coaches.html (http://blog.al.com/kevin-scarbinsky/2009/05/scarbinsky_secs_rookie_coaches.html)
Pathetic...
Yeah my thoughts exactly....Chiznik will be :pwnd: by THE GREAT ONE
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And to add, they every now and then say, "you know, what's most amazing about this topic is that Auburn actually had some of the biggest names in recruiting on campus this weekend."
Yeah, you douchebag imbeciles, AUBURN could be the #1 story in recruiting this year.
What's great is that if all goes as planned and envisioned, Alabama will be the #1 story in college football when the NCAA has their way.
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http://wireroadandshug.blogspot.com/2009/06/big-cat-weekend.html (http://wireroadandshug.blogspot.com/2009/06/big-cat-weekend.html)
Big Cat Weekend.
Another winner by the dynamic duo of Luper & Trooper. Love the fact that Jay Barker-Evans (who kept intentionally mispronouncing Lache Seastrunk's last name) and Finebum got upset at Lache's calling out of Saban. Finebum even said Chizik's "cobbled together" staff was doing some good things, as if Malzahn and the rest were in the unemployment line begging for scraps when Auburn hired them. They wish Sabear had thought of this. That's 2/2 in making off-season noise regarding 'crootin for Auburn. Get used to it!
I'll be shocked, shocked if Seastrunk doesn't come to Auburn. And I think Auburn is going to get some of these guys.
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And the "Big Cat Weekend" is now doing what it was supposed to do and that's get Auburn's name plastered all over the internet and papers, in off season recruiting and without committing violations, no less. Word is the NCAA is going to put a stop to all other events like the "Big Cat Weekend", which means, Auburn will have the ONLY "Big Cat Weekend" after the NCAA stops it from happening again, LMFAO!!!
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Who won the pie eating and cow tippin contest?
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The thing is most big time programs dont have to throw toliet paper parties to impress recruits or get their names out there, so yeah you are right auburn will have the only big cat weekend.
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The thing is most big time programs dont have to throw toliet paper parties to impress recruits or get their names out there, so yeah you are right auburn will have the only big cat weekend.
That's an Auburn Tradition just like the "Tiger Walk", drinking fresh squeezed lemonade from Toomer's Corner, eyeballing all of the beautiful Auburn girls in their sundresses and the Eagle flight.
So, bammer when recruits come to the cesspool, do y'all show them the bammer turdishiun? You know like, buying a fresh batch of Cocaine in the Athletic Deptartment parking lot, robbing some unsuspecting students at gunpoint, kicking at the windows of a Police Car, crying about getting arrested and how it'll affect their Draft status, drinkin' Natty Lights, wearing the "SPuat Wife Beaters" and of course beating up the spouse?
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That's an Auburn Tradition just like the "Tiger Walk", drinking fresh squeezed lemonade from Toomer's Corner, eyeballing all of the beautiful Auburn girls in their sundresses and the Eagle flight.
So, bammer when recruits come to y'alls campus, do y'all take them to the nearest Trailer Park to take part in the bammer turdishiun, that would be drinkin' Natty Lights, wearing the "SPuat Wife Beaters" and of course beating up the spouse?
You forgot buying an eight ball in the AD parking lot.
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You forgot buying an eight ball in the AD parking lot.
I fixed it. I don't know how I could've forgotten about that bammer turdishiun.
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Finebaum on Lache's comments about Saban in his opening segment:
"Not the most intelligent sounding verbal beatdown."
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Uh Oh....here we go, Carnell Williams part two.
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http://capstonereport.com/?p=2151 (http://capstonereport.com/?p=2151)
Getting beyond Auburn’s cheating
Posted by capstonereport on June 1st, 2009 filed in General, Media Reviews
If the SEC and the NCAA want to cleanup the slime of recruiting, the organizations should focus less on oversigning and more on the recruiting sites and how they function as propaganda machines for the schools they cover.
The focus today will rightly be on whether Auburn cheated or not during a staged pep rally event for recruits; however, some focus should be on the alleged complicit way the Auburn Rivals.com site behaved in this matter.
The Auburn Rivals affiliate, Auburnsports.com, posted a video of the event at Toomer’s Corner, and then edited the video, according to numerous people who saw both videos. Fans who saw both copies posted at Rivals.com allege the parts removed from the video were the most damning, to wit, the recruits names being called out for the fans.
Independent media and more importantly regulators should ask, why the Auburn fan site edited the video AFTER the first questions were raised about the recruiting violations?
Did Auburn coaches contact the site asking for the editing? If not, what else prompted this? Was it the individual bias of the site’s publishers?
Either case is a threat to the editorial integrity of the entire Rivals.com brand. The model where team sites are run by essentially fans is good for grabbing cash from subscribers, but it is a horrible model for editorial independence. When these types of activities take place, the website is acting more as a booster and less as a media outlet.
Coaches already complain about the lack of integrity in these recruiting services. According to South Carolina coach Brad Lawing quoted in The State, “I can take a three-star and make him a four-star, and I can take a four-star and make him a three- or two-star with the contacts I have,” Lawing said. “That’s how ridiculous recruiting on the Internet is. I took Chris Culliver (USC safety) from a three- to a five-star in three weeks. All you’ve got to do is talk to the right people.”
Will the NCAA do the right thing and consider regulations against this type of inappropriate conduct? I’m not going to hold my breath, but something has to be done about this type of activity.
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Finebaum on Lache's comments about Saban in his opening segment:
"Not the most intelligent sounding verbal beatdown."
I'm sure he'll have an excellent column tomorrow morning.
Here's what I'm waiting for though - from every Bammer bobble head - in a few days:
"How much bigger and better of a program is Alabama that a few pointless NCAA sanctions have dwarfed the big AU kitty cat weekend? I mean, no one is talking about Auburn anymore now that Alabama is back in the papers."
You know it's coming. You know the spin is coming.
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Finebaum sounds downright pissed off. He raised his voice to a level I have never heard when Charles from Realtown said "So what exactly did Auburn do wrong?"
He slammed his fist on the desk and screamed about how Auburn is cheating like mad.
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Finebaum sounds downright pissed off. He raised his voice to a level I have never heard when Charles from Realtown said "So what exactly did Auburn do wrong?"
He slammed his fist on the desk and screamed about how Auburn is cheating like mad.
He's shitting all over Bryan Matthews now. Compared his journalism to "Venezuelan Communist Papers". Ranted about how the media is in Auburn's back pocket.
Pure insanity.
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Finebaum sounds downright pissed off. He raised his voice to a level I have never heard when Charles from Realtown said "So what exactly did Auburn do wrong?"
He slammed his fist on the desk and screamed about how Auburn is cheating like mad.
Thanks, Chad. Now I'm listening.
What a cock. What a fucking cock. I swear to God...how can he get away with this shit? Does no one carry crow bars around anymore?
Saban pulls the dirtiest secondary violations in the history of college football, and Finebaum is going to go off on kids getting their name fucking announced BY A GOD DAMN FAN.
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Thanks, Chad. Now I'm listening.
What a cock. What a fucking cock. I swear to God...how can he get away with this shit? Does no one carry crow bars around anymore?
Saban pulls the dirtiest secondary violations in the history of college football, and Finebaum is going to go off on kids getting their name fucking announced BY A GOD DAMN FAN.
Easy barner!! Good lord, take a chill pill. If freakin Finebaum, his dumbass will we all over Bama this time next week, when we get "hammered" by the NCAA. :eyeroll:
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Thanks, Chad. Now I'm listening.
What a cock. What a fucking cock. I swear to God...how can he get away with this shit? Does no one carry crow bars around anymore?
Saban pulls the dirtiest secondary violations in the history of college football, and Finebaum is going to go off on kids getting their name fucking announced BY A GOD DAMN FAN.
He just played the clip asserting that it was Trooper Taylor.
WTF? Is he really that stupid? It is abundantly clear from the audio that that voice does not belong to a 30 something year old black man. Seriously, listen to the clip. It's beyond ridiculous that anyone would say that's an Auburn coach...
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Thanks, Chad. Now I'm listening.
Finebaum 1, townhall 0.
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Either case is a threat to the editorial integrity of the entire Rivals.com brand.
This sentence made me lose my Diet Dew...
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I'm going to play Paul Finebaum. I'm going to pull his usual schtick with this:
Do you think...do you think that maybe...just maybe Finebaum is pissed because the NCAA is investigating Alabama for recruiting violations? Perhaps, Auburn or someone associated with Auburn turned in Alabama for illegal recruiting practices and now Finebaum is pissed because...gasp...Auburn has the audacity to blatently violate the NCAA rulebook?
Could it be?
Or maybe he's just super pissed because a player like Lache Seastrunk could single handedly set the Auburn football program on fire. The kid is Carnell Williams part deaux. He's Reggie Bush. He's Joe McKnight. He's Percy Harvin. He's Noel Devine. He's next in the lineage of super athletes, and he just might sign at Auburn.
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Saban pulls the dirtiest secondary violations in the history of college football, and Finebaum is going to go off on kids getting their name fucking announced BY A GOD DAMN FAN.
He ignored that point when the second caller pointed it out...
This is some good shit!
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Finsbum wins again...Auburn callers out the wazoo.
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Finebaum 1, townhall 0.
Truth.
I guess I don't listen enough (I do listen for about 15-20 minutes a day coming home from work) to know when Finebaum is serious and when he's pandering for ratings.
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Damn you Finebaum!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Finebaum + 11,231 and rising.
He wins again.
Bait, hook, bite, pull, reel, laugh, repeat.
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If freakin Finebaum, his dumbass will we all over Bama this time next week, when we get "hammered" by the NCAA. :eyeroll:
Excuse me - was this English?
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He has since backpedaled and admitted that it was a student, not Taylor.
Now he's struggling for reasons to justify how it's still a detestable offense...
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He has since backpedaled and admitted that it was a student, not Taylor.
Now he's struggling for reasons to justify how it's still a detestable offense...
Yarp. I liked the "Auburn has some outstanding recruiters" quote.
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Truth.
I guess I don't listen enough (I do listen for about 15-20 minutes a day coming home from work) to know when Finebaum is serious and when he's pandering for ratings.
That's easy - if his lips are moving, he is pandering for ratings...
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HUGE interview with Tom Lugenville (sp) with ESPN. He was very complimentary of not only the recruiting that is going on at Auburn, but with Chizik and the staff themselves. If Finebaum got this guy on his show to try and make fun of Auburn or catch Auburn in some bullshit violations, it absolutely just back fucing fired...
I know people don't listen to Finebaum, but I would recommend listening to this interview when it gets posted on line...
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HUGE interview with Tom Lugenville (sp) with ESPN. He was very complimentary of not only the recruiting that is going on at Auburn, but with Chizik and the staff themselves. If Finebaum got this guy on his show to try and make fun of Auburn or catch Auburn in some bullshit violations, it absolutely just back fucing fired...
I know people don't listen to Finebaum, but I would recommend listening to this interview when it gets posted on line...
AAAaaand now he's shitting all over him.
Insinuating that he is involved in this great cheating scandal.
It seems like a common M.O. of Finebaum's to have a guest on the show and kiss his ass while they're on the air together, then as soon as they hang up, shit all over him... :puke:
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AAAaaand now he's shitting all over him.
Insinuating that he is involved in this great cheating scandal.
It seems like a common M.O. of Finebaum's to have a guest on the show and kiss his ass while they're on the air together, then as soon as they hang up, shit all over him... :puke:
Finebaum 71, Chizad 0. It's a rout, ladies and gentlemen.
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Finebaum 71, Chizad 0. It's a rout, ladies and gentlemen.
Whatever, dude.
I'm fully aware of his schtick.
I enjoy listening to the bammer meltdown and spin on days when there's positive Auburn news or negative bammer news.
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Are you gonna be my n***a, Chad?
(If you're not listening to Finebaum, you don't know what I'm talking about. I'm not being racist.)
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Whatever, dude.
I'm fully aware of his schtick.
I enjoy listening to the bammer meltdown and spin on days when there's positive Auburn news or negative bammer news.
I don't know why you subject yourself to it. Although repeated listening does explain your shift in attitude lately.
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I don't know why you subject yourself to it. Although repeated listening does explain your shift in attitude lately.
I'm not a repeated listener. I listen for the kneejerk reaction the day after positive news for Auburn or negative news for bammer. Always have since I've lived in Birmingham.
And what exactly is my shift in attitude?
You, sir, have had a dramatic shift in attitude from two years ago, or hell, even last year.
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A common bammer sentiment I have heard several times.
"Barners oughta be embarassed! If tha Tahd 'a dun nis, we'da had 150,000 fans there."
And then in the same breath, try to say it was illegally advertised and that "something fishy" was going on that all those people turned.
Inconsistant sadness.
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I don't claim to have read all the shit said in this thread, but I will give my piece....
1. This was a great idea by AU and it seemed to work out fantastically well.
2. I have no doubt that secondary violations were committed, and I believe they were intentional. A couple here and there means dick. If it was a big deal then UT would be screwed.
3. Who cares, other than AU fans, with what Lache said? He's what, 16-17? Hell if I was down there I'm sure I would have had a good time too. Mob mentality works in positive ways too.
4. Getting just one of those top players would mean that this was a perfect event. I still think Lache goes to Texas, well 70% chance, but if he goes to AU, super! I'd like to see him against us for 3 years.
5. I don't want you guys to think I may be making sense, so... uh.... The Bear never would have needed to do something like this.
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You, sir, have had a dramatic shift in attitude from two years ago, or hell, even last year.
No, I really haven't. I'm still exactly the same.
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The Bear never would have needed to do something like this.
You're exactly right. He would have passed out cars and bundles of cash like always.
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You're exactly right. He would have passed out cars and bundles of cash like always to the 100+ scholarships he gave out PER CLASS
FTFY
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You're exactly right. He would have passed out cars and bundles of cash like always.
And....it has changed since then?
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Hell, he gave me a car not to come there
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And....it has changed since then?
Sure.
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(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii247/alvaro2chiny/dodgecharger1.jpg)
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Yall are missing the brilliant part.
You can't pay for the recruits meals, but by God you can put them in eating contests. Brilliant, I say.
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Yall are missing the brilliant part.
You can't pay for the recruits meals, but by God you can put them in eating contests. Brilliant, I say.
Wow. I bet the Bammeroos haven't thought of that one yet.
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Wow. I bet the Bammeroos haven't thought of that one yet.
I'll call it in to Finebaum tomorrow.
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You can provide them with food.
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I'll call it in to Finebaum tomorrow.
Charles from Reeltown?
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What flavor of pie was it?
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What flavor of pie was it?
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Pace yourself, Takashi, we're going to need you in the drunk trike contest tomorrow.
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Pace yourself, Takashi, we're going to need you in the drunk trike contest tomorrow.
Excuse please, but why do they call you "booger"?
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You Moo's sure know how to party.
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You can provide them with food.
I don't know how many unofficial recruiting trips you've been on, but the university cannot provide you with any food or drinks if it is not an official visit.
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They can provide food and drink...provided that you pay for the plate and drink, which is usually not that much at all.
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I think the whole food and drink thing is moot. Whether it is a violation or not, seriously, if some kid commits to AU because they provided pie, cake, and watermelon, then whatever. A little weird, but if thats all it took to win the kid over, then that kid was probably going to pick AU anyway. I think the issue at hand, and the only one I see even being an issue, is having an obviously organized recruiting event. Even one of the AU beat writers called it that. Aubie was there. AU PD was asked to help with traffic and crowd control beforehand. Assistant coaches were there. It was obviously organized. Whether it was Luper or Taylor or Joe Blow calling those recruits names, it would still be a violation. If the name of a recruit were to be blasted over the stadium PA system or if his picture were on the jumbo tron during say the A-Day game, it would be a violation. It doesn't HAVE to be committed by a coach.
Part of the Rivals video of the event did show an AU assistant coach calling names. There was an original video posted on AU's Rivals site. After it was up for about 45 minutes, it was quickly taken offline for a few hours and then reposted and cut almost in half, removing any coaches from it. There are videos on other AU blogs and pictures showing assistant coaches there as well. I don't think the point could possibly be argued that assistant coaches were there. You could argue whether they were calling the names at any point or not, but it doesn't matter. All it matters is that SOMEBODY was calling their full names, city and state of residence before they each threw a roll, and it was at an organized recruiting event.
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They can provide food and drink...provided that you pay for the plate and drink, which is usually not that much at all.
"Provide"
Another word not in Prowler's lexicon.
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RWS, you sure are worried about what Auburn is doing. Are you really that worried about it? It can be argued that the event was "impromtu". Was it? Probably not...but it is pushing the rules that are not clearly defined by the NCAA. Sound familiar? If Saban had done this, you would be praising him.
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Here's the thing. Everybody here but me is a hypocrite. I exclude myself because I am pointing out the hypocrisy.
When Saban "bumped" into a recruit in Memphis or Miami, people here were absolutely shitting their pants and calling him the biggest cheater since those carnival doinks Andy Griffith caught swapping the pellet gun on Opie. Those secondary violations were clear indicators of a pervasive pattern of cheating and were the tip of an iceberg that was going to sink his Titanic. Saban willfully flouted the rules.
On the other side, Bama fans were praising his relentlessness. Their dicks fell completely off from masturbating over his recruiting focus. They pounded their nuts into gleeful mush when a rule was named after him. It showed his innovation, his creativity and his tenacity. Nobody was better at playing the rules than Nick "Don't call me God, that would be an insult -- to me" Saban.
Meanwhile, most here downplayed recruiting. It didn't really mean shit, it was what you did after you got the kids that mattered. Stars were bullshit and only had relevance to idiots.
And then....
Now AU is getting mention (albeit largely only among our own people and a few bama fans) over its recruiting efforts that might have strayed beyond the pale. Now it's being portrayed as creative. It shows focus, intensity, passion.
Except Bama fans are decrying it as most odious.
Stars and rankings matter. To us now.
Fuck.
It's a hypocrite convention.
Just stop already.
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Here's the thing. Everybody here but me is a hypocrite. I exclude myself because I am pointing out the hypocrisy.
When Saban "bumped" into a recruit in Memphis or Miami, people here were absolutely shitting their pants and calling him the biggest cheater since those carnival doinks Andy Griffith caught swapping the pellet gun on Opie. Those secondary violations were clear indicators of a pervasive pattern of cheating and were the tip of an iceberg that was going to sink his Titanic. Saban willfully flouted the rules.
On the other side, Bama fans were praising his relentlessness. Their dicks fell completely off from masturbating over his recruiting focus. They pounded their nuts into gleeful mush when a rule was named after him. It showed his innovation, his creativity and his tenacity. Nobody was better at playing the rules than Nick "Don't call me God, that would be an insult -- to me" Saban.
Meanwhile, most here downplayed recruiting. It didn't really mean shit, it was what you did after you got the kids that mattered. Stars were bullshit and only had relevance to idiots.
And then....
Now AU is getting mention (albeit largely only among our own people and a few bama fans) over its recruiting efforts that might have strayed beyond the pale. Now it's being portrayed as creative. It shows focus, intensity, passion.
Except Bama fans are decrying it as most odious.
Stars and rankings matter. To us now.
Fuck.
It's a hypocrite convention.
Just stop already.
You got a link for any of that?
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You got a link for any of that?
http://www.tigersx.com/forum (http://www.tigersx.com/forum)
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http://www.tigersx.com/forum (http://www.tigersx.com/forum)
You know better than to rely on a bunch of message board yahoos to back your position.
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Here's the thing. Everybody here but me is a hypocrite. I exclude myself because I am pointing out the hypocrisy.
When Saban "bumped" into a recruit in Memphis or Miami, people here were absolutely shitting their pants and calling him the biggest cheater since those carnival doinks Andy Griffith caught swapping the pellet gun on Opie. Those secondary violations were clear indicators of a pervasive pattern of cheating and were the tip of an iceberg that was going to sink his Titanic. Saban willfully flouted the rules.
On the other side, Bama fans were praising his relentlessness. Their dicks fell completely off from masturbating over his recruiting focus. They pounded their nuts into gleeful mush when a rule was named after him. It showed his innovation, his creativity and his tenacity. Nobody was better at playing the rules than Nick "Don't call me God, that would be an insult -- to me" Saban.
Meanwhile, most here downplayed recruiting. It didn't really mean shit, it was what you did after you got the kids that mattered. Stars were bullshit and only had relevance to idiots.
And then....
Now AU is getting mention (albeit largely only among our own people and a few bama fans) over its recruiting efforts that might have strayed beyond the pale. Now it's being portrayed as creative. It shows focus, intensity, passion.
Except Bama fans are decrying it as most odious.
Stars and rankings matter. To us now.
Fuck.
It's a hypocrite convention.
Just stop already.
I'm not sure a lot of AU fans are saying it's okay to violate rules - secondary or not. If in the end, we self report secondary violations from Big Cat Weekend, I won't expect anything harsh to happen, but I will expect us not to continue to do events like Big Cat Weekend if they lead to violations. Nick Saban is known for violating the bump rule repeatedly. It's secondary and the NCAA really doesn't care, but it's still dirty. I would hope Auburn fans don't expect to do the same.
Also, I'd like to add that I never once said recruiting doesn't matter. It matters big time. I said it once before - Alabama is going to be a/the top program in the SEC for at least three more years unless the rumors and smoke turn out to be true. If we can't land these stud recruits, we're in for a long dark era of Auburn football.
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RWS, you sure are worried about what Auburn is doing. Are you really that worried about it? It can be argued that the event was "impromtu". Was it? Probably not...but it is pushing the rules that are not clearly defined by the NCAA. Sound familiar? If Saban had done this, you would be praising him.
Sure, it could be argued that it was impromptu, sure. I could argue that Hitler was the greatest humanitarian ever. It wouldn't necessarily make either of those statements true.If CNS held a similar event as the "Big Cat" weekend, I would not praise him. Feel free to save that wherever you feel you need to so you can call me out on it later, if it ever happens. If we ever had to do the whole cake/pie/watermelon eating contest, or limo appearances, I would wonder what the hell has happened that we can't sell a recruit on working hard and busting his ass. Landing a blue-chip recruit because you throw neat birthday parties, and drive limos to his school is one thing. Landing them when they know they are in it to work hard and go through some hell, thats another.
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or limo appearances, I would wonder what the hell has happened that we can't sell a recruit on working hard and busting his ass.
This is what my initial reaction to the Tiger Prowl was as well. I have resigned myself to the fact that I am old and no longer understand what is hip and cool.
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Not me Kaos. The only thing that I have said about saban is that he is fucking relentless when it comes to recruiting and was kicking our ass. I don't care about the text book thing (unless players were blatantly getting money), I didn't care about the "bump" thing...or the video conferencing thing. I just shook my head and said..."God damn that fucker uses any means necessary". I was pissed the Tubby wasn't doing the same thing. I was pissed that Tubby was sitting back and just letting it happen. But I wasn't pissed at Saban for pushing the envelope.
Now the roles are reversed and these same fuckers that were defending Saban "pushing the envelope" are the same ones crying foul. I can stand up to these fuckers and call bullshit...because I didn't say shit when Saban was the one "getting creative".
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I'm not sure a lot of AU fans are saying it's okay to violate rules - secondary or not. If in the end, we self report secondary violations from Big Cat Weekend, I won't expect anything harsh to happen, but I will expect us not to continue to do events like Big Cat Weekend if they lead to violations. Nick Saban is known for violating the bump rule repeatedly. It's secondary and the NCAA really doesn't care, but it's still dirty. I would hope Auburn fans don't expect to do the same.
Also, I'd like to add that I never once said recruiting doesn't matter. It matters big time. I said it once before - Alabama is going to be a/the top program in the SEC for at least three more years unless the rumors and smoke turn out to be true. If we can't land these stud recruits, we're in for a long dark era of Auburn football.
I don't want Auburn violating rules...but these nitpicky secondary violations happen primarily out of ignorance of the obscure rules in the first place. It's why it's not a primary serious violation in the first place. Report it, make sure you don't do it again, move on.
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Sure, it could be argued that it was impromptu, sure. I could argue that Hitler was the greatest humanitarian ever. It wouldn't necessarily make either of those statements true.If CNS held a similar event as the "Big Cat" weekend, I would not praise him. Feel free to save that wherever you feel you need to so you can call me out on it later, if it ever happens. If we ever had to do the whole cake/pie/watermelon eating contest, or limo appearances, I would wonder what the hell has happened that we can't sell a recruit on working hard and busting his ass. Landing a blue-chip recruit because you throw neat birthday parties, and drive limos to his school is one thing. Landing them when they know they are in it to work hard and go through some hell, thats another.
You're naive as hell if you think Saban and bammer just waltz in and announce their presence and get recruits to sign up. The rule about not being able to announce a kids name...it's a fairly new rule...why? Recruiters used that "trick". They used to have lockers geared up with recruits names on jerseys in the locker rooms...they outlawed that too. Auburn/Chizik didn't invent any of this shit. If you think bammer doesn't "recruit" by selling what 18-19 year old kids want, you're fucking delusional.
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You're naive as hell if you think Saban and bammer just waltz in and announce their presence and get recruits to sign up. The rule about not being able to announce a kids name...it's a fairly new rule...why? Recruiters used that "trick". They used to have lockers geared up with recruits names on jerseys in the locker rooms...they outlawed that too. Auburn/Chizik didn't invent any of this shit. If you think bammer doesn't "recruit" by selling what 18-19 year old kids want, you're fucking delusional.
Naw, it's cuz our 12 nashnul champeenships (All of which, including the 1992 one, have now taken place before recruits were even born.)
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Landing a blue-chip recruit because you throw neat birthday parties, and drive limos to his school is one thing. Landing them when they know they are in it to work hard and go through some hell, thats another.
You don't think the video conferencing was a gimmick? No different than the limos. Neither were necessary, just a way to impress the recruits with cool toys.
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You don't think the video conferencing was a gimmick? No different than the limos. Neither were necessary, just a way to impress the recruits with cool toys.
I would think the teleconferencing would be handy to speak "face to face" (the NCAA counts it as a telephone call) with a recruit that you can't get down to see at the time. In todays day of teh intrawebs, I'm not so sure thats all that fancy schmancy to a recruit.
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Is having a psychic channell the bears dead ghost to speak to a recruit a violation?
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All hail dead bears!!
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Is having a psychic channell the bears dead ghost to speak to a recruit a violation?
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All hail dead bears!!
DA' Dead Bears.