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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: Snaggletiger on January 04, 2022, 10:14:14 AM
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Leading receiver, Kobe Hudson, announced yesterday that he has been "kicked off" the team. Have no clue as to why, but I hate to see it happen, given we don't exactly have a deep group in that room. Hudson could make the clutch, sometimes bordering on spectacular catch. But he'd usually drop the 3 right in his hands before that.
Obviously, we all saw that LB, Owen Pappoe, along with TE, John Samuel Shenker, and DT, Marquis Burks, are returning to the Planez. But...
TD Moultry is going to test the NFL waters. I was never sold on Moultry his first few years here. He looked slow and basically not very aggressive. It appears the light turned on for him in 2021. Kudos to Weskie for calling it before the season. The Pittsburgh scout I talked to mentioned Moultry right off the bat as one he was there to see at the Iron Bowl.
Defensive tackle, Dre Butler, is heading to the Continuum Transfunctioner. Pretty much a no brainer. Miniscule playing time in what is now a very deep room.
Who else???
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Dreshun Miller also disappeared as quickly as he appeared a year ago.
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Dreshun Miller also disappeared as quickly as he appeared a year ago.
I thought he was a huge pick up when he transferred. I also can't recall ever seeing him on the field.
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I thought he was a huge pick up when he transferred. I also can't recall ever seeing him on the field.
Never cracked the depth chart in two a days or the season.
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Shed Jackson taking his extra year.
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Shed Jackson taking his extra year.
Solid
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Solid
Jury's still out.
He did seem to get more focused at thr end of the season. I finally stopped cringing every time the ball went his way. But if he starts next season like this one, I hope somebody passes him quickly.
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Jury's still out.
He did seem to get more focused at thr end of the season. I finally stopped cringing every time the ball went his way. But if he starts next season like this one, I hope somebody passes him quickly.
Just happy to have a receiver with experience returning. This group has to be close to dead last in the league in overall talent.
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The Family Leg is running it back for one more year.
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Just happy to have a receiver with experience returning. This group has to be close to dead last in the league in overall talent.
Truthfully
I don’t put as much stock in experience for a WR these days. If a dude is a mean hungry talented WR, he can easily shine on this team.
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Truthfully
I don’t put as much stock in experience for a WR these days. If a dude is a mean hungry talented WR, he can easily shine on this team.
Do we have any of those?
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Do we have any of those?
I think there is young talent in that room:
Tar'Varish Dawson
Ja'Varrius Johnson
Camden Brown
Jay Fair
Omari Kelly
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I think there is young talent in that room:
Tar'Varish Dawson
Ja'Varrius Johnson
Camden Brown
Jay Fair
Omari Kelly
Ever the optimist. I think Ja'Varrius Johnson proved he has speed and can get behind people. Seemed to always be overthrown when he had two steps on the DB's.
Camden Brown is the "potential" guy. Not great stats. Was the 3rd receiver behind a couple of D1 signees at St. Thomas Aquinas. FSU really wanted to get his flip, but the good guys landed him. Good size at 6'3".
Jay Fair. Smallish at 5'10" 175, but apparently has the right stuff. Had 73 catches for 1,303 yards and 12 TD's. That's 17.8 yards per catch.
Omari Kelly. Good size at 6'2". Even better stats with 84 catches for 1,333 yards and 13 TD's. Another eye-opening average per catch at 15.9.
I like this group. I also like that they played at a high level of program in high school. I always try to look at whether a kid put up sick numbers against a bunch of small, private school teams, or if they played against the top competition. You can definitely say that about Brown and Kelly. Don't know much about where Fair played in Texas.
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Bump. I see now that Jay Fair played at Rockwall-Heath High School, which is 6A in Texas.
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Bump. I see now that Jay Fair played at Rockwall-Heath High School, which is 6A in Texas.
You're gonna love him like he's Ryan Davis.
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Ever the optimist. I think Ja'Varrius Johnson proved he has speed and can get behind people. Seemed to always be overthrown when he had two steps on the DB's.
Camden Brown is the "potential" guy. Not great stats. Was the 3rd receiver behind a couple of D1 signees at St. Thomas Aquinas. FSU really wanted to get his flip, but the good guys landed him. Good size at 6'3".
Jay Fair. Smallish at 5'10" 175, but apparently has the right stuff. Had 73 catches for 1,303 yards and 12 TD's. That's 17.8 yards per catch.
Omari Kelly. Good size at 6'2". Even better stats with 84 catches for 1,333 yards and 13 TD's. Another eye-opening average per catch at 15.9.
I like this group. I also like that they played at a high level of program in high school. I always try to look at whether a kid put up sick numbers against a bunch of small, private school teams, or if they played against the top competition. You can definitely say that about Brown and Kelly. Don't know much about where Fair played in Texas.
The bolded is the problem. Doesn't matter what routes they run, how precise they are, how much separation they get if we don't have anyone to put the ball within five yards.
Nix was never going to get the ball there. He was too busy running around. There were a handful of occasions where he actually stood in the pocket, stepped up and followed through. Those? Connected more than not. But the other 95% of the time? Throw across his body, throw falling backward, throw off the wrong foot, sidearm it, throw with just his arm (no legs). There was some progress early on but against Penn State (I think?) he hurt his shoulder, didn't admit it and his mechanics went to hell from that point on. He never had a great arm to begin with so that just made it worse. He was rarely able to hit the regular routes and seemed to only have one consistently decent throw in his entire arsenal -- the quick out.
That's why I was intrigued by TJ. I saw him at LSU throw some accurate, perfectly placed deep balls. I saw him throw lasers into tight windows. He had a quick, high release. He looked confident and steady there. I have no idea what happened to turn him into a squeaking mouse. I didn't see any of the attributes I witnessed at LSU when he got his chance at AU. It's mystifying to me. The only redeeming factor there is that I just found out that he's 19. He's a child. Maybe another year of conditioning and practice can get him to a better place. He has the tools. He just needs to be more confident and assertive.
Does AU have quality receivers? Who knows? How could we?
One other quick note? I was stunned to see the Tennessee receivers coached by Kodi Fucking Burns running quality routes, being where they were supposed to be and making catches when I watched them in the bowl game. Kodi put them in a position for the offense to succeed. The route packages were designed well and you didn't see three people run a two-yard out on third and five - like we used to see when Kodi was here. Six different receivers caught passes for 380 yards and five TDs against Purdue in the bowl. Tennessee had 3400 passing yards and 33 TD on the season. AU had 3100 and 17 for reference. So either UT has better talent across the board or Kodi is a better coach than he was while shackled to the Gus system.
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You're gonna love him like he's Ryan Davis.
Just closed and locked the door to my office. Now where's that hand lotion and box of Kleenex?
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One other quick note? I was stunned to see the Tennessee receivers coached by Kodi Fucking Burns running quality routes, being where they were supposed to be and making catches when I watched them in the bowl game. Kodi put them in a position for the offense to succeed. The route packages were designed well and you didn't see three people run a two-yard out on third and five - like we used to see when Kodi was here. Six different receivers caught passes for 380 yards and five TDs against Purdue in the bowl. Tennessee had 3400 passing yards and 33 TD on the season. AU had 3100 and 17 for reference. So either UT has better talent across the board or Kodi is a better coach than he was while shackled to the Gus system.
Kodi isn't designing the route-tree. That was a Gus problem.
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Kodi isn't designing the route-tree. That was a Gus problem.
No, I get that. But our receivers couldn't even run the one route they had to know correctly when he was here.
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No, I get that. But our receivers couldn't even run the one route they had to know correctly when he was here.
True.
Probably just a lack of interest. If you're a top flight WR (a la Craig-Myers or Kyle Davis)...wouldn't you get bored with that route?
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I think there is young talent in that room:
Tar'Varish Dawson
Ja'Varrius Johnson
Camden Brown
Jay Fair
Omari Kelly
Most talented "receiver" on the team is probably Landon King. They've got to find a way to use him and his size on the field. He's a pure mismatch waiting to happen.
Brown and Kelly can also be year 1 contributors.
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True.
Probably just a lack of interest. If you're a top flight WR (a la Craig-Myers or Kyle Davis)...wouldn't you get bored with that route?
Coates, Schwartz and Louis, among others have made remarks in subtle and not so subtle ways critiquing the Gus route trees at Auburn.
Louis after getting drafted:
“I would say that the Browns saw things from me that other teams didn’t see. They understand that I was in a scheme at Auburn that didn’t require me to run very many routes, very diverse or complex routes and the fact that I was not developed as a receiver at the time, going into the combine, I wanted to prove to everybody that I was versatile and I was able to run routes and catch balls smooth and well. Doing that, looking ahead, they got to see that they can develop me and mold me into the receiver they want me to be.”
And you are right Weskie. That will ABSOLUTELY frustrate a top notch WR. Even makes them wanna leave you could say.
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Back to the subject at hand. The USFL will flop, and flop in a hurry. It doesn't matter what season the play it in, or how they market it. There's no room for another professional football league. Maybe back in the day when the USFL was first introduced, but not now. The NFL is exponentially more powerful and popular than back in the 80's. College football has moved in as a distant second, but still way more popular now than the USFL ever was. There's just an oversaturation of NFL and college football going on 24/7/365, along with all other sports for that matter. Nobody wants to learn new teams, new names etc.
The only way I see any hope for it, is if it was an NFL feeder system that the NFL itself took under its wing and marketed the hell out of it as if it were an extension of the league. Maybe then. Otherwise, like all others before, over the last few decades, it will look viable for a few weeks before attendance and viewership are both in the tank.
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Back to the subject at hand. The USFL will flop, and flop in a hurry. It doesn't matter what season the play it in, or how they market it. There's no room for another professional football league. Maybe back in the day when the USFL was first introduced, but not now. The NFL is exponentially more powerful and popular than back in the 80's. College football has moved in as a distant second, but still way more popular now than the USFL ever was. There's just an oversaturation of NFL and college football going on 24/7/365, along with all other sports for that matter. Nobody wants to learn new teams, new names etc.
The only way I see any hope for it, is if it was an NFL feeder system that the NFL itself took under its wing and marketed the hell out of it as if it were an extension of the league. Maybe then. Otherwise, like all others before, over the last few decades, it will look viable for a few weeks before attendance and viewership are both in the tank.
Hold up you Oulde....That was the topic at hand. Cummings and Goins of Receivers at the Universutee of Awbren....I thought your new boner meds were supposed to aid in your wrong posting across threads.
Oh no, I agree....I don't think its very viable today. Just saying Spring WILL NOT be why. Spring may be the reason it will be as viable as it is. It may go a season in Feb-May. It may last 1-2 games in the Fall.
You nailed it though....oversaturation right now. That pendulum may be bout to go back in the OTHER direction if anything.
NOW....back to the actual topic at hand. WRs...or lack of, ammarite??
Keep an eye on FCS Port Hole WR Wells Jr. 83 catches, 1300 yards. Kid is legit. Better than anything we have. The good guys have made an offer to him.
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Most talented "receiver" on the team is probably Landon King. They've got to find a way to use him and his size on the field. He's a pure mismatch waiting to happen.
Brown and Kelly can also be year 1 contributors.
Johnson is a deep threat peacock. Just gotta let him fly. #huskyfast
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https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/auburn-football/zach-calzada-former-texas-am-qb-announces-transfer-commitment-to-sec-west-rival/?fbclid=IwAR28BTVKgGnFtLGWF6yNZG-IMnQ8B2INJX1Oto2n-thraqYgMZ1I5ppygCM
Calzada commits to Auburn
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https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/auburn-football/zach-calzada-former-texas-am-qb-announces-transfer-commitment-to-sec-west-rival/?fbclid=IwAR28BTVKgGnFtLGWF6yNZG-IMnQ8B2INJX1Oto2n-thraqYgMZ1I5ppygCM
Calzada commits to Auburn
Meh....
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Meh....
I second that emotion.
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Meh....
Meh was Finleys Iron Bowl and Bham Bowl.
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Meh was Finleys Iron Bowl and Bham Bowl.
Agreed. Let's see Davis and Geriner.
I mean, competition in the QB room is good but this one doesn't tickle my giblets.
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Agreed. Let's see Davis and Geriner.
I mean, competition in the QB room is good but this one doesn't tickle my giblets.
We all know Snags is the only one who can tickle your giblets to satisfaction.
If Calzada can do what he did to Bama on a more regular basis vs what TJ did? Im ok with it.
End of the day, you take a guy who is better than the best guy you have at that position. And I don't think it means they are done yet either. At least trying anyway.
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Bringing in Calzone may send Davis and/or Finley packing. Davis would be my guess if that happens. Finley came here knowing full well he'd have to compete with a 2 year starter, and that didn't faze him.
Where Double D is concerned, it's been a mystery as to why he's never seen the field. My skreetz told me this past weekend he had no desire to put in the work. Didn't go as far as saying sorry ass, but didn't sound far above it.
Skreetz. Respect!!!
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Bringing in Calzone may send Davis and/or Finley packing. Davis would be my guess if that happens. Finley came here knowing full well he'd have to compete with a 2 year starter, and that didn't faze him.
Where Double D is concerned, it's been a mystery as to why he's never seen the field. My skreetz told me this past weekend he had no desire to put in the work. Didn't go as far as saying sorry ass, but didn't sound far above it.
Skreetz. Respect!!!
A lot of guys come in KNOWING they will not see the field that first year. That affects the work ethic of most. Usually that second year is where you see the tweeners excel. So we might see DD wake up and put in the work. Sadly, he didn't realize that he could have taken the reins this season had he put in max effort. That's called maturity.
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Sadly, he didn't realize that he could have taken the reins this season had he put in max effort. That's called maturity.
Interesting. I’ve always called that a jockey.
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Troxell and Brahms returning.
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Eku Leota returning.
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Troxell and Brahms returning.
Trovon says this is gonna be their year
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Gonna be a totally different WR room but that's a good thing. I stand by what I have said to a few offline, I expect next year to be a growing pains/rough year while things get sorted. If we can keep our powder dry, year three we should see some interesting results.
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So with Brahms and Troxell returning, that means we can put at least 4 O-linemen out there with a good bit of starting experience. Brahms, Troxell, Keiondre Jones and Kilian Zierer. KZ doesn't have a ton of starts, but he's been in the trenches a lot.
Anyone heard if Council has another year, or has made a decision if he does?
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So with Brahms and Troxell returning, that means we can put at least 4 O-linemen out there with a good bit of starting experience. Brahms, Troxell, Keiondre Jones and Kilian Zierer. KZ doesn't have a ton of starts, but he's been in the trenches a lot.
Anyone heard if Council has another year, or has made a decision if he does?
Council will be good if he can get back in shape. He hasn't really been in playing shape the last few months and it was obvious. I think I've read he is leaning towards it, yeah.
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Council will be good if he can get back in shape. He hasn't really been in playing shape the last few months and it was obvious. I think I've read he is leaning towards it, yeah.
I'd be a little more stoked about next year if our O-line returns in tact, sans Brodaliciousness Hamm. No, we weren't very good. Haven't been for 3 years+ running. But, as has been well documented, that room has suffered serious neglect. As average, at best, as these guys have been, there's exactly squat behind them. I'm hoping another year in Jeff Pitman's program will help these guys take it up a notch while Harsin & Co. try and get some quality linemen signed.
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I'd be a little more stoked about next year if our O-line returns in tact, sans Brodaliciousness Hamm. No, we weren't very good. Haven't been for 3 years+ running. But, as has been well documented, that room has suffered serious neglect. As average, at best, as these guys have been, there's exactly squat behind them. I'm hoping another year in Jeff Pitman's program will help these guys take it up a notch while Harsin & Co. try and get some quality linemen signed.
Agree....look at our line in 2011/12 and then 13/14. Basically the same guys. Once they got in a new staffs system a few years, bulbs started turning on for some. Granted, those guys were a lot more talented than the ones we have now but buying in and developing talent goes a long way. And that was a group of guys that went from Jeff Grimes to JB - which would look like a negative on paper but sometimes its just the culture change that does it, which was an obvious improvement from 12 to 13.
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Eugene Asante transferring in from UNC.
6'0" 220 LB, former 4* recruit
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JJ Pegues reportedly headed to Ole Miss. He's from that area so I get it. But I hate it!!
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JJ Pegues reportedly headed to Ole Miss. He's from that area so I get it. But I hate it!!
Yeah, he was intriguing.