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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: kirkAU on October 08, 2008, 03:54:06 PM
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Franklin fired today.
Tony Franklin has been fired as Auburn’s offensive coordinator a source close to the program told the Opelika-Auburn News on Wednesday afternoon.
Franklin was hired in December of 2007, just a few days after then-AU offensive coordinator Al Borges was let go by head coach Tommy Tuberville.
Franklin, who spent the last two years at Troy, was brought to Auburn to run the spread offense - or the “Tony Franklin System” which has been installed at high school programs across the country.
Franklin’s offense hasn’t lived up to its expectations this season, as the Tigers are 4-2, 2-2 in the SEC.
The offense is near or at the bottom in most offensive categories in the SEC and the country. Auburn ranks 104th in total offense (309.2 yards per game), 105th in pass efficiency (104.98), tied for 111th in red zone offense (65 percent) and 112th in third-down conversions (29.7 percent).
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Tony was fired today, rejoice Kaos.
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When I see TT say it I will believe it.
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Un-effing-believable.
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i'm assuming Coach Gran will call the offensive plays...
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I think I saw somewhere where Nall and Ensminger will be calling the plays????
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Guess What, Posted by Brian Matthews in the Bunker...so that is a pretty solid thing. This is going to be bad, if we lose this weekend Tuberville will be gone.
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Finebaum's talking about it as if it's fact.
Wow.
I'm not sure this was the best thing to do...
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Franklin out as Auburn's offensisve coordinator
Posted by Charles Goldberg, Birmingham News October 08, 2008 3:01 PM
Categories: Football
Auburn offensive coordinator Tony Franklin was relieved of his duties Wednesday halfway through his first season of directing a spread offense that never caught fire.
Head coach Tommy Tuberville will meet with his team at 3:30 to tell them of the dismissal.
Tuberville said he will take a bigger role in plotting the course of the offense. Tuberville said he'll decide in the next day or so who will call the plays in Saturday's game against Arkansas.
Auburn is 104th in the nation in total offense.
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Tony was fired today, rejoice Kaos.
Any word on Chris Todd's whereabouts?
And for the record I am sad that it didn't work out. I hoped for a better result. But when Franklin hitched his wagon to Todd and refused to unhitch I knew it was doomed.
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Finebaum's talking about it as if it's fact.
Wow.
I'm not sure this was the best thing to do...
Me either, this move may lose Tuberville his job.
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Me either, this move my lose Tuberville his job.
This is crazy...
I am not sure this is good at all...
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I think I saw somewhere where Nall and Ensminger will be calling the plays????
and you guys thought you were fucked with CTF.....
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Me either, this move my lose Tuberville his job.
Why? for firing someone who obviously could not or would not do their job? That sounds like someone in charge to me. It may happen over something else but I don't see this in and of itself.
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and you guys thought you were fucked with CTF.....
I think that was a joke.
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Everyone knew a change needed to be made. In what capacity that change comes...we don't control. At this point everyone faces forward and moves in that direction. Look for an added spark on Saturday.
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Wow. Don't know if we ever will, but I'd really like to know the real story.
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I just feel that if we lose to Arkansas on Saturday, then he will be gone. How in the hell do you think a spark will erupt after this week?
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depends on how the offense starts out against ARK. if we go back to what works best and pound the ball on the ground, we might see that spark. plus, the defense might actually get to rest during the game.
should be interesting who starts at QB. i know AWK will disagree with me, but i think Todd, will (surprisingly) still start.
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I just feel that if we lose to Arkansas on Saturday, then he will be gone. How in the hell do you think a spark will erupt after this week?
We been trying to light wet wood chips with flint and steel for 6 weeks. I want to hope for a spark as well but Franklin ain't getting it done for whatever reason.
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I just feel that if we lose to Arkansas on Saturday, then he will be gone. How in the hell do you think a spark will erupt after this week?
I just think there's a point to where pressure mounts, outside talk builds up, and the team as a whole (players/coaches alike) reaches its breaking point.
Then that team goes out to the field and bashes their opponents face in, because they're so fucking pissed. And they should get plenty of opportunities to do this, because if we play smart on Saturday, we'll run the ball all over Arkansas. They are the perfect team for Auburn to do this to.
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I try to stay out of any negative comments about the team or coaches and do my part as an Auburn Fan, therefore I have refrained from expressing my disdain for this abortion of an offensive experiment. I never really liked the idea of going away from Auburn Football and implementing the spread but i was willing to give it a chance. After seeing our production over the first half of the season, I feel like this is the right decision. I hate to see us fire a guy midseason but it was well deserved.
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I think this is a good thing....reason: I think we were one more Tony Franklin loss from having a total team revolt.
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Holy shit! This is horrible news.
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Holy shit! This is horrible news.
Yeah for you guys...we might actually have a chance to beat you now.
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depends on how the offense starts out against ARK. if we go back to what works best and pound the ball on the ground, we might see that spark. plus, the defense might actually get to rest during the game.
should be interesting who starts at QB. i know AWK will disagree with me, but i think Todd, will (surprisingly) still start.
I agree. CTT has always looked out for his players and if he benches Todd right off the bat it will look like he is blaming him along with Franklin.
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Shit, I wonder what the Vegas lines are now? Maybe they did know something, fucking weird day man. fucking weird.
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Let me go ahead and put it out there right now. Whoever is hired as the new OC, he'd better be allowed to bring in his own assistants. No more Knox and sorry, but no more Nall. Gran has proven himself time and time again. His units have been the most consistent at Auburn since Tubs has been here. CTT better do the right thing this time.
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Count me as one of those that is not sure this was the best way to handle the problem. I was as unhappy with CTF as most others, but canning him in the middle of the season? Would it not be better to just ride out the season with him and fire him after that? We are starting to look like a revolving door for coordinators and what OC would come now, knowing he may not get a full year to get his offense in place? Are other OCs going to think we expect "first year Al Borges" type of results from now on?
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Wow. Don't know if we ever will, but I'd really like to know the real story.
I am sure the Drill Press Hotline is ringing...
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ITAT reporting that it happened after a staff lunch and was not something planned. Sounding possibly like another Mushcamp type situation?
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Okay - only one comment from the estrogen front:
No more excuses. We got what we wanted - now we have to live with the decision that was made, and the consequences.
Here's hoping they are good ones!!!!!!!!!!
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I don't know what to think, a part of me is relieved, but a part of me is thinking that this is not a good thing. What will this do to recruiting? Who will we hire as and OC and what OC would want to come to AU? A part of me is still wondering if Nall and Knox need to be ousted as well. We will just have to wait and see what the outcome of all this is going to be. Seriously weird, never would have thought it would happened almost 7 games in the season.
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I don't know what to think, a part of me is relieved, but a part of me is thinking that this is not a good thing. What will this do to recruiting? Who will we hire as and OC and what OC would want to come to AU? A part of me is still wondering if Nall and Knox need to be ousted as well. We will just have to wait and see what the outcome of all this is going to be. Seriously weird, never would have thought it would happened almost 7 games in the season.
I think the "what OC would want to come to Auburn" argument is a little ridiculous. In the coaching world, money talks, hence the Saban to Bama thing. We will be able to attract a good OC, all we have to do is open our checkbook (we are after all a perrenial top 25 team). In my opinion this a good thing, we were recruiting a bunch of "spread" type recruits and if we were going to get rid of Franklin at the end of the season to save these recruits, this would be a wasted recruiting class. If they want to go somewhere else, then we go out and get some players that will fit whatever offense we decide to run next year.,
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I say....let's bring in another Spread OC that likes to use a Zone Blocking Scheme...AND, knows how to mix it up with the 'Ace' formation and the I or Power I formations. Also, have him bring in a good to great WR coach that knows how to make some good mutha fuckin' BBQ sauce. Problem solved....Championship.
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I know it might be a longshot but what about Lane Kiffin -- the ousted raiders Head Coach. He was the OC for USC and the receivers coach, so maybe that could help us.
Link to his bio (http://www.raiders.com/Team/CoachBio.aspx?id=532)
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I say....let's bring in another Spread OC that likes to use a Zone Blocking Scheme...AND, knows how to mix it up with the 'Ace' formation and the I or Power I formations. Also, have him bring in a good to great WR coach that knows how to make some good mutha fuckin' BBQ sauce. Problem solved....Championship.
Gus Malzahn, please pick up the white courtesy phone.
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:popcorn:
This is entertainment you can't buy
:rofl:
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Let me go ahead and put it out there right now. Whoever is hired as the new OC, he'd better be allowed to bring in his own assistants.
I agree with this, especially in the case of implementing an offense that looks exactly NOTHING like anything any of the other offensive position coaches have ever dealt with.
I said the following in the "lay it out there" thread and I think it gets to the crux of the problems up top:
I think Franklin may have been put in a position where he not only had to sell the players on the new system, but the offensive position coaches as well. If they don't have complete buy-in (and while they may say outwardly that they do, the truth may not be so simple), then the players will not be sold, either.
Tuberville's loyalty to his offensive assistants that are not coordinators is admirable, but in this case, I think it is a marriage doomed to failure and it may have been past time for some of the position coaches to go.
I just don't believe the true spread offense can be implemented successfully without an entire offensive staff that is familiar with it.
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:popcorn:
This is entertainment you can't buy
:rofl:
Fuck off.
Anyway, anybody see this picture?
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Don't let the door hit you in the ass.
And to these rednecks saying Auburn fires coordinators every year, that's just not true. They usually move on on their own, usually to head coaching or NFL jobs.
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:popcorn:
This is entertainment you can't buy
:rofl:
After the 5 long years of entertainment uat provided we figured we would return some, because were nice like that.
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Fuck off.
Anyway, anybody see this picture?
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Don't let the door hit you in the ass.
And to these rednecks saying Auburn fires coordinators every year, that's just not true. They usually move on on their own, usually to head coaching or NFL jobs.
Still wearing an AU shirt and in need of a shave. Those are all of his self help books.
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Anyway, anybody see this picture?
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I think I see a copy of "How to Win Friends and Influence People" in that stack.
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MEANWHILE back at the topic..........
Again I don't think this is a bad thing at this point.
Reasons Why:
The way things were going we knew this was probably going to be the end result anyways (Franklin fired) so he fires him now.
Concerns: (In no particular order)
1. Recruiting: Ok well.... if said end result was going to be the same. I would much rather he be let go now. We have a better shot and longer time to continue to keep those kids as Auburn commitments, rather then closer to the commitment date and them changing their mind.
2. 2008 Season: I think we can all pretty much agree that this season seemed to be over for the most part now anyways. Don't get me wrong I hope we can continue to win games but, with Franklin at the helm I saw really only 1 sure win and a couple of maybes. Nothing, has really changed today, yet the sun seems so much brighter.
3. The Players: I personally think this partly their decision. Look based on what they had to say, I truly think we were one more loss before the players totally gave up. At least now there should be rejuvenated vigor in their step.
4. The University: Eh, I personally don't think the Press will be overwhelmingly negative towards this move. Go read what the guy said to the press he was a buffoon. He was a snake-oil salesman. We tried it...it didn't work, we move on.
I am actually surprised that Tubs had the cojones to fire him mid season. Surprised and Happy.
Either way its still great to be an Auburn Tiger!
P.s. Start Kodi Burns.
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While the timing might not have been the best, I think this is a great move. There was a gaping wound in the offense, and it was losing pints of blood an hour. CTT just got out the industrial sized gauze pad to cover the wound temporarily, before it bleeds out completely. He now has the chance to get the Sam's Club economy pack of bandages to completely stop any anal seepage...we will see what happens next though.
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The heads of Nall and Knox had better be next on the chopping block.
Get ready for Nallubermingran ball.
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We shall see. Honestly, the lack of game-time efficiency, and lack of common sense (removing the offense that is producing) really makes me believe this was the proper move. I have no doubt that if Tuberville is "sold" on the spread as he suggested, he'll bring in another OC that provides better game-time leadership and experience.
I also believe the stubborn approach of not giving Kodi Burns an equal shake at QB was really getting to Tuberville as well. I'm sure there might have been some in-fighting among the staff, but I'm not sure that it was the cause of the problem. I think Franklin's approach to this season caused the problem and thus the in-fighting with the staff. I think that the other offensive coaches were getting tired of seeing their reputations being shot down the tubes by a failing offense this year. (not defending said reputations.....just imagining their thought process)
Look, the bottom line on talent and Franklin's refusal to see what he had in front of him was obvious. Todd was not as good as Brandon Cox, yet even with the mix, he had Kodi, the same offensive line, same basic set of receivers, running backs, Tight Ends and same coaching staff that rattled off 90 plays in the Chic-fil-A Bowl last year. Him saying it wouldn't work this year was bullshit. He had the tools, he was just seemingly determined not to use them to prove a point that he wanted to install his offense the way he wanted from the ground up, come hell or high water.
Whelp...he drowned. I hate it for the man, but he chose a poor strategy, and now he's driving his Hyundai elsewhere.
Good luck elsewhere.
AC1
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We'll probably never know the full story (when has anything with this coaching staff ever been transparent?) I do love reading all the theories and wild ass guesses.
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MEANWHILE back at the topic..........
Again I don't think this is a bad thing at this point.
Reasons Why:
The way things were going we knew this was probably going to be the end result anyways (Franklin fired) so he fires him now.
Concerns: (In no particular order)
1. Recruiting: Ok well.... if said end result was going to be the same. I would much rather he be let go now. We have a better shot and longer time to continue to keep those kids as Auburn commitments, rather then closer to the commitment date and them changing their mind.
2. 2008 Season: I think we can all pretty much agree that this season seemed to be over for the most part now anyways. Don't get me wrong I hope we can continue to win games but, with Franklin at the helm I saw really only 1 sure win and a couple of maybes. Nothing, has really changed today, yet the sun seems so much brighter.
3. The Players: I personally think this partly their decision. Look based on what they had to say, I truly think we were one more loss before the players totally gave up. At least now there should be rejuvenated vigor in their step.
4. The University: Eh, I personally don't think the Press will be overwhelmingly negative towards this move. Go read what the guy said to the press he was a buffoon. He was a snake-oil salesman. We tried it...it didn't work, we move on.
I am actually surprised that Tubs had the cojones to fire him mid season. Surprised and Happy.
Either way its still great to be an Auburn Tiger!
P.s. Start Kodi Burns.
Those concerns don't seem so bad.
I'd add
5. Chances Of Landing A Better Coordinator Next Year. Despite the slant that Tubs just fires coordinators at will, burning through them like tissues, for the most part they move on on their own and move up the ladder. I'm pretty sure most coordinators know that if you have your shit together Auburn's a great place to be coaching. On top of this, the fact that he did it now rather than during the coaching shuffle of the offseason, is that we should have some pretty good candidates lined up by the time the offseason hits. Plenty of time to thoroughly search. Plenty of time for OC's to think about taking the job.
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My take:
1) Tuberville is still a gambler. Maybe moreso than ever: he's gambling with his reputation, his recruiting class and his staff by firing Franklin mid-season.
2) I think the team will be fired up on Saturday. A monkey will be able to script our plays: I-form, two back sets pounding the football to set up the play-action. The staff knows these plays and the players do as well.
3) I am concerned about the impact on future OC hires. Tuberville is going to have to reveal some of what went down to potential candidates to reassure them that they will be allowed to run their offense. Will he be able to sell that? I don't know because I don't know what really happened.
4) I feel excited again about football season. The poor product put on the field by Franklin had me dreading watching any more AU games this season. This morning I woke up with a smile and a renewed excitement for the remaining games. This may be short-sighted on my part, but fuck it.
5) Any day, at any time, under any circumstances it is still great to be an Auburn Tiger.
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My goodness - wes and I agree on something else!! Twice in one year!! My comments highlighted below...
My take:
1) Tuberville is still a gambler. Maybe moreso than ever: he's gambling with his reputation, his recruiting class and his staff by firing Franklin mid-season. Also his own job... by saying he will be personally involved, that to me says the buck now stops with him...
2) I think the team will be fired up on Saturday. A monkey will be able to script our plays: I-form, two back sets pounding the football to set up the play-action. The staff knows these plays and the players do as well. I am looking for some ass kicking to happen... hopefully a lot of other teams just went "FUUUUUUUUUCCCCCKKKKK..."
3) I am concerned about the impact on future OC hires. Tuberville is going to have to reveal some of what went down to potential candidates to reassure them that they will be allowed to run their offense. Will he be able to sell that? I don't know because I don't know what really happened. The coaching community is small - by the end of the season, those people will know what happened.
4) I feel excited again about football season. The poor product put on the field by Franklin had me dreading watching any more AU games this season. This morning I woke up with a smile and a renewed excitement for the remaining games. This may be short-sighted on my part, but fuck it. Get in line - I feel the same way - the spark that was missing is back.
5) Any day, at any time, under any circumstances it is still great to be an Auburn Tiger. No doubt - and it is even better to have a bad day as an Auburn Tiger than a good day as a bammer...
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3) I am concerned about the impact on future OC hires. Tuberville is going to have to reveal some of what went down to potential candidates to reassure them that they will be allowed to run their offense. Will he be able to sell that? I don't know because I don't know what really happened.
I am not overly concerned about this, as someone else said (it may have been a bammer), MONEY talks. I don't think we all have to much trouble finding a replacement.
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3) I am concerned about the impact on future OC hires. Tuberville is going to have to reveal some of what went down to potential candidates to reassure them that they will be allowed to run their offense. Will he be able to sell that? I don't know because I don't know what really happened.
I see this in a different light. It weeds out the non-hackers and says to all of those interested that you had better bring the pain.
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Many fans will criticize Tommy Tuberville for insisting on running a hybrid version of Franklin’s system. Others might criticize him for going through yet another coordinator. But, Franklin knew the situation coming in, so while some blame may be rightfully bestowed upon Tuberville, the majority of it is on Franklin. It’s his responsibility to call the plays, and the play-calling has been atrocious this season, regardless of what system is being run. SEC offensive coordinators should be able to make the adjustment, whether it's adjusting to the opposing defense or his boss’s wishes. Franklin could not.
This is part of a blog from Barrett Sallee w/ CollegeFootballNews.com. I think this is a perfect example of how I feel. I agree with those of you that feel Tubs assistants have too much of the good ole' boy network. However, Franklin was still calling the plays in the booth, and the Head Coach still is the boss.
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Gus Malzahn, please pick up the white courtesy phone.
Shut your mouf. The thought of a Malzahn offense coupled with Auburn's defense gives me a cold sweat.
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Shut your mouf. The thought of a Malzahn offense coupled with Auburn's defense gives me a cold sweat.
It makes me start leaking fluids.
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Shut your mouf. The thought of a Malzahn offense coupled with Auburn's defense gives me a cold sweat.
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What the fuck is that in your aviator????
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What the fuck is that in your aviator????
I think it is a really poorly drawn running razorback.
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What the fuck is that in your aviator????
Amelia Earhart?
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What the fuck is that in your aviator????
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What the fuck is that in your aviator????
A drunken MSPaint creation. Awesome, isn't it?
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Amelia Earhart?
Charles Lindberg
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Cthulu