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The Library => The SGA => Topic started by: Snaggletiger on April 21, 2016, 09:46:46 AM
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Curt Schilling gets canned for...God forbid....speaking his mind. But, as Chizad has so aptly pointed out in the political forum, political correctness is ruining this country. Schilling, as he usually does, stated what he believes. I happen to agree with him 100%. Personally, I don't give a rat's ass if you want to cut your dick off, smear make up on your face and play dress up like a girl. If that's your thing, have at it. But that doesn't give you any more rights than anyone else and people shouldn't have to accommodate your desire to take a piss or a dump with the opposite sex. What about their rights? And fuck ESPN for not allowing someone their Constitutional right to free speech. But then, they might look pretty silly doing that after deciding to make Bruce Jenner the face of their little outfit.
Curt Schilling helped the Boston Red Sox end an 86-year championship drought and then immediately started squandering the goodwill he had earned.
Even before the celebratory champagne could go flat, Schilling irritated Democrats in presidential candidate John Kerry's home state — many of them Red Sox fans — by blurting out on national TV, "Vote Bush." He toyed with public office himself in 2009 after U.S. Sen. Edward Kennedy died, a plan that was complicated because, as an unenrolled voter, Schilling would have had to run as an independent.
That was the essence of the pitcher known in Boston as "The Big Schill": Outspoken, controversial, supremely confident in his opinions in the moment only to realize soon enough that he hadn't quite thought things through.
On Wednesday, Schilling was fired from his job as an ESPN baseball analyst after comments on Facebook critical of transgender rights.
The post included an image of a man wearing a long blond wig and revealing women's clothing and the phrase, "Let him in! To the restroom with your daughter or else you're a narrow minded, judgmental, unloving, racist bigot who needs to die!!!"
In response to recent laws in several states that restrict bathroom access for transgender people, Schilling added: "A man is a man no matter what they call themselves," and, "Now you need laws telling us differently? Pathetic."
The network, which suspended Schilling from the Little League World Series last year over a tweet in which he compared Muslims to Nazi-era Germans, said Wednesday night that he had been fired.
"ESPN is an inclusive company," the network said in a statement. "Curt Schilling has been advised that his conduct was unacceptable and his employment with ESPN has been terminated."
The 49-year-old Schilling, did not immediately respond to a text message sent to the telephone number he had when he pitched for the Red Sox. But he wrote on his blog on Tuesday that his critics were "just dying to be offended so you can create some sort of faux cause to rally behind."
"There are things I have deeply held beliefs in, things I have that are core to who I am, things I am passionate about. If you ask me about them it's likely I'll give you a passionate answer," he wrote. "Whether you like that answer or not is completely up to you. I am not going to give you answers to make sure you like what I say, let the rest of the insecure world do that."
An undisputed workhorse on the pitcher's mound, Schilling had a 216-146 record in a 20-year career with five teams, adding a .846 playoff winning percentage that is among the best in baseball history. He became eligible for the Baseball Hall of Fame in 2013 and this year, his fourth on the ballot, he received more than half of the votes but far short of the 75 percent needed for induction.
A year earlier, Schilling accused the members of the Baseball Writers Association of America who vote for the Hall of holding it against him because he is a Republican. He later said he was joking.
It's a common pattern.
His strident criticism of steroid users earned him an invitation to a congressional hearing, but when called to testify, Schilling said: "The issue was grossly overstated by people, including myself."
Still, two years later he called out Barry Bonds for using performance-enhancing drugs, saying as the slugger approached baseball's career home run record: "He admitted to cheating on his wife, cheating on his taxes and cheating on the game."
The next day, Schilling apologized.
"Everyone has days and events in life they'd love to push the rewind button on, yesterday was one of those days," he wrote on the blog that was a must-read during his days in Boston.
More significantly: He bankrupted his video game business, putting nearly 300 people out of work, after burning through $75 million in loans guaranteed by Rhode Island. To satisfy his creditors, he auctioned off the contents of his home.
Schilling blamed state officials for pulling the plug prematurely.
If he was chastened by any of it, he isn't letting it show.
"I'm loud, I talk too much, I think I know more than I do, those and a billion other issues I know I have," he wrote on the blog this week after his transgender comments went viral. "Like everyone one of you I have flaws, but I'm ok with my flaws, they're what make me, me."
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To preface, here's my extended take on the bathroom thing.
First of all, I prefer NO laws one way or another regarding who is allowed to use what restrooms. I prefer common sense to dictate that. Women's line wrapped around the corner and no one's in the men's room? Go right ahead. Or if some weird sex club or any establishment that isn't particularly concerned about dudes in their ladies room wants to make that their policy, then by all means, have at it. And also if Bruce wants to now be Caitlyn and completely dress and behave like the sex they're now identifying as, goes into a stall, pees, and leaves, then I doubt this really was much of a problem to begin with. Ideally he would fully commit to being a she and have the outtie-to-innie procedure before using women's locker rooms, but that's another discussion I suppose.
The infamous North Carolina law HB2 that is raising so much of a stink was a reaction to another, equally bad ordnance in Charlotte that was posturing to "protect" transgendered people from restroom "discrimination".
To me, it's way less about the fact that making 99.7% of people uncomfortable at the expense of the comfort of the 0.3% is backwards logic (which is also true), but WAY MORE about how very obvious it is that heterosexual men can use those laws as cover to just hang out in the women's restrooms & locker rooms and watch little girls change and pee. WHEN (not if) that happens, there will be no legal recourse that can be taken against said sex offenders. They're protected under the law. Especially since we're saying there's no empirical tangible quality that defines gender identity. It would be sexist to say you're not a woman because you don't have long hair or wear a dress, right? Can't make that the requirement for entering a women's restroom.
This is not a hypothetical slippery slope. This is something that very obviously will happen. It already HAS happened.
http://www.kgw.com/news/local/washington/seattle-man-in-womens-locker-room-cites-gender-rule/45248512
And if I were 17 years old and that was the law of the land where I lived, I'd demand they move my fuckin' desk into the girl's shower. I honestly don't understand why there aren't hundreds of high school boys already doing this if not for any other reason than to prove a point.
The argument that there's no evidence that transsexuals are any more conducive to kiddie diddling than anyone else is probably correct. But also ENTIRELY beside the point. I'm much less concerned about the 0.2% of kiddie diddlers amongst the 0.3% of the population that is trans than I am the 0.2% of kiddie diddlers among the 99.7% of the population that is not and are now free to exploit a poorly thought out law.
Now, for example, Target has loudly and proudly announced that it is their policy to allow whoever to use whatever bathrooms they want. If I were so inclined, I could go into a Target RIGHT NOW and just hang out next to the stalls and listen to little girls pee. No explanation needed. I may be wearing a T-shirt and jeans and have a beard, but dammit I identify as a woman. You can't tell me I don't. And what happens when the sane father sends his little girl into the restroom and she comes back out announcing there was a grown ass man in there exposing himself to her and he rightly beats the shit out of him? I would think Target would have a lawsuit on their hands.
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Now with all of that said. ESPN firing Schilling has nothing to do with the first amendment. ESPN is not the government. I don't like having a culture that censors people and silences opinions rather than debating them. But it's their right to fire him for not representing their brand. And people have a right to express their displeasure in that choice. I don't know how we got here, but it's not the government limiting our free speech. It's the culture.
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Freedom of speech to everyone! As long as they agree with the dimocratic doctrine!
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Wait...more thoughts on this...
So Bruce Springsteen and Ryan Adams and Pearl Jam and others cancelled concerts in NC because of HB2. PayPal cancelled plans to move an office to NC for the same reason. There are dozens of other businesses and artists doing the same. Denying service due to moral objection. Which is ok for them, but not for bakers objecting to making gay wedding cakes. In both cases, I disagree with that choice, but think they should have the right to do it.
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He speaks for all us ^^
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My thread was locked and moved? Just another example of white supremacy at work.
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My thread was locked and moved? Just another example of white supremacy at work.
White Devils!!!!
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This is all you really need to know. There is no "free speech" implication here. Curt was free to express himself, that does not mean that he is free from the consequences of such expression (in the absence of state action, of course.)
Goddamit.
I'm sorry, Chad. I meant to quote you and accidentally modified your post.
mea culpa.
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Goddamit.
I'm sorry, Chad. I meant to quote you and accidentally modified your post.
mea culpa.
It's okay. Nobody read it anyway.
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It's okay. Nobody read it anyway.
It was rather long, I stopped reading after...I
Although I did agree with him.
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This is all you really need to know. There is no "free speech" implication here. Curt was free to express himself, that does not mean that he is free from the consequences of such expression (in the absence of state action, of course.)
Okay, maybe I did read some of it. And yes, I agree with this. Just frustrating that a conglomerate like ESPN does not allow someone to voice a differing opinion that may or may not cause 6 transgender dude-ettes out of 100+ million viewers to be upset with them.
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This is all you really need to know. There is no "free speech" implication here. Curt was free to express himself, that does not mean that he is free from the consequences of such expression (in the absence of state action, of course.)
Okay, maybe I did read some of it. And yes, I agree with this. Just frustrating that a conglomerate like ESPN does not allow someone to voice a differing opinion that may or may not cause 6 transgender dude-ettes out of 100+ million viewers to be upset with them.
Had a black, Muslim, female said it, it would become national law.
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Goddamit.
I'm sorry, Chad. I meant to quote you and accidentally modified your post.
mea culpa.
The browser back arrow is your friend.
My manifesto has been preserved.
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The browser back arrow is your friend.
My manifesto has been preserved.
Damn it. Someone take the keys from this guy.
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Wait...more thoughts on this...
So Bruce Springsteen and Ryan Adams and Pearl Jam and others cancelled concerts in NC because of HB2. PayPal cancelled plans to move an office to NC for the same reason. There are dozens of other businesses and artists doing the same. Denying service due to moral objection. Which is ok for them, but not for bakers objecting to making gay wedding cakes. In both cases, I disagree with that choice, but think they should have the right to do it.
^The homo has finally said something that I agree with.
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Had a black, Muslim, female said it, it would become national law.
You are describing our president again!
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You are describing our president again!
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/04/21/donald-trump-says-transgender-people-should-use-the-bathroom-they-want/
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http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/04/21/donald-trump-says-transgender-people-should-use-the-bathroom-they-want/
Welp, looks like Kaos is all for the co-ed bathrooms.
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http://m.townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2016/04/18/a-white-guy-told-college-kids-he-was-a-chinese-woman-idiocy-ensued-n2149766
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http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/04/21/donald-trump-says-transgender-people-should-use-the-bathroom-they-want/ (http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/04/21/donald-trump-says-transgender-people-should-use-the-bathroom-they-want/)
Actually he is saying what many are saying. Should have left it alone.
Before, we could go in a whip ass if anything fishy happened, now they got a right to be in there!
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Actually he is saying what many are saying. Should have left it alone.
Before, we could go in a whip ass if anything fishy happened, now they got a right to be in there!
Just thought it was interesting. He's in ny. Just came off the ny primary. And he takes that view. With a few more northeastern states coming up.
Would he have said that same thing in Indiana or Nebraska or Mississippi? I don't think so.
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Actually he is saying what many are saying. Should have left it alone.
Before, we could go in a whip ass if anything fishy happened, now they got a right to be in there!
CCTAU stretching and bending over backwards to agree with Trump.
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Actually. I just don't think its a big deal. This moral shit that the left keeps trying to hang the presidential candidates on is nothing more than a distraction from a shitty job market and economy. Same as last election.
And you gaspers are getting caught up in it.
It is a states rights issue. I don't think it is going to hurt NC or MS in a way that causes them to acquiesce.
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Listen I'm going to vote for Trump if he wins the primary, because I will not vote for that two faced lying bitch.
However, I do agree that Trump is a nutjob too
Between our leaders and the liberal (me now) generation coming out of our college system, I actually do severely worry about the future of this country.
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Listen I'm going to vote for Trump if he wins the primary, because I will not vote for that two faced lying bitch.
However, I do agree that Trump is a nutjob too
Between our leaders and the liberal (me now) generation coming out of our college system, I actually do severely worry about the future of this country.
I agree with this nutjob. ^^^
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Listen I'm going to vote for Trump if he wins the primary, because I will not vote for that two faced lying bitch.
However, I do agree that Trump is a nutjob too
Between our leaders and the liberal (me now) generation coming out of our college system, I actually do severely worry about the future of this country.
A lot female interns will be a lot safer should she lose.
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I think it should be noted that the OP is focused on Schilling being fired for his views and comments.
Which ESPN is 100% entitled to do.
The bigger issue (concerning the OP) is that people are unwilling to boycott and give up their conveniences and sources of entertainment for moral beliefs. Maybe I'm naive, but I have a hard time believing that the majority of the country - especially sports fans - are supportive and protective of transgender bathroom rights. Yet they allow ESPN to walk all over them and they continue to support the network.
I want my football. I like being able to see Auburn play, but at some point, I have to decide to not support the institution that is detrimental to the community that I want to support.
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I think it should be noted that the OP is focused on Schilling being fired for his views and comments.
Which ESPN is 100% entitled to do.
The bigger issue (concerning the OP) is that people are unwilling to boycott and give up their conveniences and sources of entertainment for moral beliefs. Maybe I'm naive, but I have a hard time believing that the majority of the country - especially sports fans - are supportive and protective of transgender bathroom rights. Yet they allow ESPN to walk all over them and they continue to support the network.
I want my football. I like being able to see Auburn play, but at some point, I have to decide to not support the institution that is detrimental to the community that I want to support.
I watch ESPN exactly the amount of times Auburn, or something Auburn is on. But I pay a full year for their programming to have that option. I guess I could make more games and cancel ESPN. :haha:
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I want my football. I like being able to see Auburn play, but at some point, I have to decide to not support the institution that is detrimental to the community that I want to support.
We are held hostage.
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I guess I could make more games and cancel ESPN. :haha:
Please, for the love of God, don't do this.
:facepalm:
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All this commotion for .3% of the population????
I dare guess there are way more pedophiles than trannies. What are we going to legitamize next?
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Please, for the love of God, don't do this.
:facepalm:
Motivation. Thanks. :thumsup:
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All this commotion for .3% of the population????
I dare guess there are way more pedophiles than trannies. What are we going to legitamize next?
I see a war on child obesity coming very soon. I mean, how insensitive can you be to let your kid get so fat and unattractive to the pedophiles?
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All this commotion for .3% of the population????
I dare guess there are way more pedophiles than trannies. What are we going to legitamize next?
If you are looking for the consensus for this place, my bet is on goats. Possibly cats. But probably more goat lovers.
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I see a war on child obesity coming very soon. I mean, how insensitive can you be to let your kid get so fat and unattractive to the pedophiles?
I wonder if there is such a thing as a chubby chasing pedophile. Is it possible to be both perverted as well as shallow? I don't think it would matter much to the kid as long as chocolate is involved and they're hated so much because they're fat.
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I wonder if there is such a thing as a chubby chasing pedophile. Is it possible to be both perverted as well as shallow? I don't think it would matter much to the kid as long as chocolate is involved and they're hated so much because they're fat.
I almost looked it up. :facepalm:
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I almost looked it up. :facepalm:
It would probably be more watchable than Backdoor to Chyna
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It would probably be more watchable than Backdoor to Chyna
Now hold on there Poncho.
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I dare guess there are way more pedophiles than trannies. What are we going to legitamize next?
If y'all want true insider knowledge, just ask me. I'm submerged and gasping for air amidst some of the bullshit coming from progressives in academia.
A few things you can look forward to. Maybe you've already read some:
Obesity (since Snaggie brought it up) and Fat Body Acceptance
Disability Studies (There's no such thing as a disability. Only social structures of inaccessibility with ideological language constructions to "other" and marginalize those who are different)
Ableism (Stemming from disability studies - This is the privileging of able-bodies. Think of it like the new definition of racism. Racism only exists when those with societal power use their power to oppress others. Disabilities are people with a characteristic that separates them from the established norms. For example, a person confined to a wheelchair is only abnormal in a world that has normativized the concept of having two working legs.)
Mental Illness or Mentalism (Just like the previous two except dealing with mental illness. So autism isn't a problem; it's just a set of characteristics that differ from the social norm. By using language to say "cure autism" or "figure out what causes autism," you are marginalizing those with autism instead of asking what society could change to include those with autism. See this article for example: http://thescientificparent.org/vaccines-dont-cause-autism-but-thats-not-the-point/)
Queer Theory (It's the idea that we should accept our sexual deviancy as being part of our identity. There are no fixed categories of identity because our sexuality is fluid and personal. Because society has normativized heterosexuality, our worldview has been skewed by an ideology that is unnatural to us. Essentially, it's saying we're all queer in some way and should only celebrate things that acknowledge that queerness.)
It's unfortunate that the humanities has decided to focus on this bullshit. There's so much there that could be studied and advertised. And they wonder why enrollment and funding is falling across the board.
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Queer Theory (It's the idea that we should accept our sexual deviancy as being part of our identity. There are no fixed categories of identity because our sexuality is fluid and personal. Because society has normativized heterosexuality, our worldview has been skewed by an ideology that is unnatural to us. Essentially, it's saying we're all queer in some way and should only celebrate things that acknowledge that queerness.)
AWK is their Einstein
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If y'all want true insider knowledge, just ask me. I'm submerged and gasping for air amidst some of the bullshit coming from progressives in academia.
A few things you can look forward to. Maybe you've already read some:
Obesity (since Snaggie brought it up) and Fat Body Acceptance
Disability Studies (There's no such thing as a disability. Only social structures of inaccessibility with ideological language constructions to "other" and marginalize those who are different)
Ableism (Stemming from disability studies - This is the privileging of able-bodies. Think of it like the new definition of racism. Racism only exists when those with societal power use their power to oppress others. Disabilities are people with a characteristic that separates them from the established norms. For example, a person confined to a wheelchair is only abnormal in a world that has normativized the concept of having two working legs.)
Mental Illness or Mentalism (Just like the previous two except dealing with mental illness. So autism isn't a problem; it's just a set of characteristics that differ from the social norm. By using language to say "cure autism" or "figure out what causes autism," you are marginalizing those with autism instead of asking what society could change to include those with autism. See this article for example: http://thescientificparent.org/vaccines-dont-cause-autism-but-thats-not-the-point/)
Queer Theory (It's the idea that we should accept our sexual deviancy as being part of our identity. There are no fixed categories of identity because our sexuality is fluid and personal. Because society has normativized heterosexuality, our worldview has been skewed by an ideology that is unnatural to us. Essentially, it's saying we're all queer in some way and should only celebrate things that acknowledge that queerness.)
It's unfortunate that the humanities has decided to focus on this bullshit. There's so much there that could be studied and advertised. And they wonder why enrollment and funding is falling across the board.
Dude, you are welcome to your own opinion. No doubt. But at least consider how you say things and know your audience.
I assume that you know that most guys on here are fat or queer. Many are both. But they have feelings.
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All this commotion for .3% of the population????
I dare guess there are way more pedophiles than trannies. What are we going to legitamize next?
I blame the sexy kids.
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AWK is their Einstein
Nomination - Post of the Year
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I blame the sexy kids.
Jerry, you'll appreciate this...
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Schilling fires back. dot I am a gay twerker that has no balls!!!! I also have no idea how to use the quote function to post stories, so I annoy the piss out of others. I like male genatalia in and around my mouth. of fox
A week after he was fired as an analyst from ESPN, former major league pitcher Curt Schilling is firing a brushback pitch at the network, claiming he was unfairly targeted for his conservative beliefs.
Schilling, a Hall of Fame contender after a brilliant career during which he won three World Series, was sacked by the “Worldwide Leader in Sports†after he posted a meme on Facebook protesting recent laws allowing transgendered people to use whichever bathroom they wish. ESPN claimed Schilling’s post violated a company policy prohibiting analysts from discussing politics.
“It was apparent to me early on that if you wanted to go off topic as a sports person, you had to go off topic left, or you were going to get in trouble,†Schilling said during a radio appearance on SiriusXM’s “Breitbart News Patriot Forum.†“Some of the most racist things I’ve ever heard have come out of people that are on the air at ESPN. They’re some of the biggest racists in sports commentating.â€
He went on to say, “The memo that went out to everybody went out to all of us the same, which is: If you are a sport person stick to sports, don’t get involved in the political arena.
“In the end for me it felt like that rule applied to me and me alone because I was conservative…Bigots are calling me a bigot. A bigot is someone who refuses to accept a different opinion. I will accept anyone’s opinion.â€
Asked later by Newsday to clarify his comments, Schilling pointed to several fellow commentators who’ve voiced controversial sentiments yet received little or no discipline.
“You listen to Stephen A. Smith, and Stephen A. Smith was the guy who said that Robert Griffin didn’t play quarterback for the Redskins because he’s black,†Schilling said. “No, Robert Griffin didn’t play quarterback for the Redskins because he [stunk].
“…Tony Kornheiser compared the Tea Party to ISIS. I don’t know any planet where those are sports topics. But I don’t care. It’s OK. I think those conversations need to happen. But as soon as you go to the flip side, the right side, there are repercussions for not talking about sports.â€
The transgender post was not Schilling’s first encounter with ESPN brass. He was suspended last year for posting another Facebook meme, this one comparing the number of Muslim extremists to the number of Nazis in Germany during Adolph Hitler’s reign.
Schilling, 49, pitched 20 seasons for the Phillies, Diamondbacks, Red Sox, Orioles and Astros. He was 216-146 with a 3.46 ERA and finished second in Cy Young Award voting three times. An outstanding postseason performer, Schilling was 11-2 with a 2.23 ERA in 19 playoff starts.
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There's a lot of money to be made for anyone with the gumption to start an alternative sports network.
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There's a lot of money to be made for anyone with the gumption to start an alternative sports network.
You are correct sir. I do not watch any ESPN unless there is a foosball game I want to see. Anyone that actually had a sports network that had ESPN's format from about 15 years ago would kill in my opinion.
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You are correct sir. I do not watch any ESPN unless there is a foosball game I want to see. Anyone that actually had a sports network that had ESPN's format from about 15 years ago would kill in my opinion.
Thing is, I don't think they care. You have to buy some sort of package to get ESPN. They make their money.
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Thing is, I don't think they care. You have to buy some sort of package to get ESPN. They make their money.
They make part of their money. They still sell advertising spots.
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Not just fired. Erased from history.
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/05/espn-cut-curt-schilling-bloody-sock-game-6-30-for-30-red-sox-four-days-in-october
They removed the game he pitched against the Yankees with a torn Achilles from a "Four Days in October" documentary covering the 2004 AL Championship comeback.
"Time constraints" led to not mentioning that game they said.
Schilling going inning after inning with blood soaking his sock was one of the gutsiest things I've ever seen. It was one of the most critical and important parts of that series. But in a pissant, PC hissy fit ESPN pretended it didn't happen.
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK ESPN.
There has to be some recourse.
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Not just fired. Erased from history.
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/05/espn-cut-curt-schilling-bloody-sock-game-6-30-for-30-red-sox-four-days-in-october
They removed the game he pitched against the Yankees with a torn Achilles from a "Four Days in October" documentary covering the 2004 AL Championship comeback.
"Time constraints" led to not mentioning that game they said.
Schilling going inning after inning with blood soaking his sock was one of the gutsiest things I've ever seen. It was one of the most critical and important parts of that series. But in a pissant, PC hissy fit ESPN pretended it didn't happen.
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK ESPN.
There has to be some recourse.
Wasn't there some follow up that showed the bloody sock to be a hoax? I seem to remember that, but hate baseball too much to spend time googling.
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Wasn't there some follow up that showed the bloody sock to be a hoax? I seem to remember that, but hate baseball too much to spend time googling.
No.
Schilling had a tendon reattached in his ankle. The blood was from the stitches rupturing.
I thought it was an Achilles, but looked it up after I saw what the ESPN bastards did.
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/11/curt-schilling-bloody-sock-ketchup-truthers-boston-red-sox-mlb
So. Fuck ESPN.
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Memory holed him for crimethink.
1984 was about 30 years late, but it's here.
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No.
Schilling had a tendon reattached in his ankle. The blood was from the stitches rupturing.
I thought it was an Achilles, but looked it up after I saw what the ESPN bastards did.
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/11/curt-schilling-bloody-sock-ketchup-truthers-boston-red-sox-mlb
So. Fuck ESPN.
Oh. Ok.
Still baseball, so who cares?