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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: Yoda on July 10, 2012, 10:09:18 PM
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Last year. Watching the Utah State game on the U. They are doing the top 25 games of 2011, of course the only game of ours good enough to make it is the one where we score 2td's in the last 2 minutes to win.
Great reminder of how shitty our defense and offensive line were.
Man I hope a lot changed in a year.
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Last year. Watching the Utah State game on the U. They are doing the top 25 games of 2011, of course the only game of ours good enough to make it is the one where we score 2td's in the last 2 minutes to win.
Great reminder of how shitty our defense and offensive line were.
Man I hope a lot changed in a year.
Incorrect.
The MSU Game was on the list too.
Watching that game terrified me. Trotter was sporadic (way the fuck better than anything we saw from Moseley subsequently) but sporadic. Still we scored 41 points but had to hold them off at the end.
We've gotten used to scoring points in bundles. Even with Chris Todd, even with B Trotter.
When we DON'T score points in bundles? We get our ass handed to us on a shiny silver platter.
Since the Chiz/Malz train arrived, our point totals in losses are as follows:
2009: 23, 14, 10, 24, 21 (five lowest totals of the year). In those games we got out hammered by a total of 61 points. Even so, most of those games were competitive. The only rapings were at LSU and Arkansas.
2010: Blessed perfection.
2011: 24, 14, 10, 7, 14 (again the five lowest totals of the year). Point difference? 139. Raped by LSU, Bama, Georgia, Arkansas.
We only gave up 216 TOTAL points in 2008 and still went 5-7. Gave up 376 last year.
New OC isn't going to put 450-500 points on the board. Be lucky to rack up 350.
Going to need the defense to limit the opposition to 300 or less to be anywhere close to where we hope we can be. That's a big burden.
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When was the miss st game on, I wouldn't have minded watching that one.
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When was the miss st game on, I wouldn't have minded watching that one.
Sunday afternoon/evening I think.
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Incorrect.
The MSU Game was on the list too.
Watching that game terrified me. Trotter was sporadic (way the fuck better than anything we saw from Moseley subsequently) but sporadic. Still we scored 41 points but had to hold them off at the end.
We've gotten used to scoring points in bundles. Even with Chris Todd, even with B Trotter.
When we DON'T score points in bundles? We get our ass handed to us on a shiny silver platter.
Since the Chiz/Malz train arrived, our point totals in losses are as follows:
2009: 23, 14, 10, 24, 21 (five lowest totals of the year). In those games we got out hammered by a total of 61 points. Even so, most of those games were competitive. The only rapings were at LSU and Arkansas.
2010: Blessed perfection.
2011: 24, 14, 10, 7, 14 (again the five lowest totals of the year). Point difference? 139. Raped by LSU, Bama, Georgia, Arkansas.
We only gave up 216 TOTAL points in 2008 and still went 5-7 The Offense Sucked. Gave up 376 last year and still went 8-5 with a Horrible Defense, a Bad OL and Bad QB play.
New OC isn't going to put 450-500 points on the board. Be lucky to rack up 350.
Going to need the defense to limit the opposition to 300 or less to be anywhere close to where we hope we can be. That's a big burden.
I can feel the positive outlook oozing out of your post and we still have almost 2 months until the season starts for Auburn...and you're already writing off the season with your â€That's a big burden†statement. Maybe you should have a little faith in Coach Chizik, Coach Leoffler and Coach Van Gorder for a change.
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I can feel the positive outlook oozing out of your post and we still have almost 2 months until the season starts for Auburn...and you're already writing off the season with your â€That's a big burden†statement. Maybe you should have a little faith in Coach Chizik, Coach Leoffler and Coach Van Gorder for a change.
And I can see the blind militant optimism oozing from your pores.
That said, I think there's upside to this year's Auburn team if two things improve drastically: defensive front 7 play and offensive line play. 8 maybe even 9 wins (not counting bowl game) is not out of the question but this team needs some breaks for sure. If those elements don't improve and/or the breaks don't come, this could be a 5 win team just as easy. September is going to be a gauntlet for sure.
I'm sure you'll disagree though as you are a War Damner through and through.
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We have lost nothing this year as of yet so I concede nothing!
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We have lost nothing this year as of yet so I concede nothing!
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Last year. Watching the Utah State game on the U. They are doing the top 25 games of 2011, of course the only game of ours good enough to make it is the one where we score 2td's in the last 2 minutes to win.
Great reminder of how shitty our defense and offensive line were.
Man I hope a lot changed in a year.
I caught this last night too.
Correct. Our front 7 were getting their shit pushed in almost the entire second half. Normally isn't an issue as long as Malzahn's O was humming - except it didn't decide to do anything until the last 5 mins. Utah State was a decent team though, but they should not have made it that close especially with a Freshmen wildcat QB on the road in the SEC.
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We only gave up 216 TOTAL points in 2008 and still went 5-7. Gave up 376 last year.
I would rather have one side of the ball blow donkey testes during a rebuilding year and go 8-5 than the same situation and go 5-7. Just saying.....you've already proven you are going to crunch numbers anyway you can to paint this staff in a bad light and use rainbow rhetoric to spin in a good light what the last staff did.
i.e. Tubs may have went 5-7 but at least his D was stout!
Chiz may have went 8-5 last year but our D sucked and we gave up so many points.
Hate to say this but, the SEC West of today is not the SEC West of Tubs' Auburn teams. Every team aside from Ole Miss is a challenge now. 8 wins in the SEC West after losing 17 of 22 starters?? I'll take it.
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Last year. Watching the Utah State game on the U. They are doing the top 25 games of 2011, of course the only game of ours good enough to make it is the one where we score 2td's in the last 2 minutes to win.
At least both of the games we made the list for are W's.
Also, I understand K's need for "cautious negativity", but I don't really understand the point you're trying to make. You do realize we have a new defensive coordinator too, right? One that, from all accounts so far, is an improvement over Roof by leaps and bounds.
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Roof was the problem, plain and simple. Yes, they were incredibly young on D last year....well, everywhere....but we weren't young in 2010 and MNC or not, that D sucked for much of the year. No excuse for it because that was a senior dominated defense with a lot of talent...except for Neiko. I don't know enough about defensive schemes and philosophies to be able to explain why, but since Ted Roof got there, it all changed drastically for the worse. Every year, points given up in bunches and getting pushed around the field.
Now, fast forward to the Virginia game with Chizik at the helm and that D looked like a totally different unit. Eltoro Freeman said everything was different during practice and it showed big time in the Bowl game. I took one thing away from the Spring game. This defense tackles. It was apparent all through the game that guys were trying to break down and wrap up and do whatever it takes to get ball carriers to the ground. No leaving their feet to try and shoulder block tackle the runner, as was the case for 3 years under Roof. I have no idea how much better we'll be and we may not win more games than last year. But, there will be no more 42-14 bitch slappings and I really think we're going to see this D play with some serious swaggah, like the AU defenses we're used to seeing.
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14.
That's how many we are winning this year.
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14.
That's how many we are winning this year.
This is the football forum and basketball doesn't start for months.
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14.
bammer...oh, wait!
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History question - Has there ever been a defensive coordinator worse than Ted Roof?
Think about it. Even in 2008, our worst year since the 98 season, our defense was stout. Auburn has had a tough, shut down defense since Tuberville arrived. The moment Ted Roof walks on campus, we start giving up huge chunks of yards and points.
Can you think of a defensive coordinator that has done that? That has walked into a well-established, consistent defensive machine and immediately sent it into the shitter?
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This is the football forum and basketball doesn't start for months.
My $100 at 50-1 says so.
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History question - Has there ever been a defensive coordinator worse than Ted Roof?
Think about it. Even in 2008, our worst year since the 98 season, our defense was stout. Auburn has had a tough, shut down defense since Tuberville arrived. The moment Ted Roof walks on campus, we start giving up huge chunks of yards and points.
Can you think of a defensive coordinator that has done that? That has walked into a well-established, consistent defensive machine and immediately sent it into the shitter?
The closest thing I have seen was the John Lovett defenses. Even they weren't nearly as bad as the Roof D's.
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The closest thing I have seen was the John Lovett defenses. Even they weren't nearly as bad as the Roof D's.
Yeah, that's the ticket!
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This is the football forum and basketball doesn't start for months.
Neither does baseball.
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Yeah, that's the ticket!
Just ask my wife...Morgan Fairchild!
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Just ask my wife...Morgan Fairchild!
Speaking of, I would still hit that a lick as well!
http://www.morganfairchild.com/photos.htm
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Speaking of, I would still hit that a lick as well!
http://www.morganfairchild.com/photos.htm
Good God, yes!
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Speaking of, I would still hit that a lick as well!
http://www.morganfairchild.com/photos.htm
Good grief, yes. Ive always loved her boobies.
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Good grief, yes. Ive always loved her boobies.
Good God, yes!
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There getting closer to her pussy.
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This is the football forum and basketball doesn't start for months.
This might be your strongest hustle...evah!
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Incorrect.
The MSU Game was on the list too.
Watching that game terrified me. Trotter was sporadic (way the fuck better than anything we saw from Moseley subsequently) but sporadic. Still we scored 41 points but had to hold them off at the end.
We've gotten used to scoring points in bundles. Even with Chris Todd, even with B Trotter.
When we DON'T score points in bundles? We get our ass handed to us on a shiny silver platter.
Since the Chiz/Malz train arrived, our point totals in losses are as follows:
2009: 23, 14, 10, 24, 21 (five lowest totals of the year). In those games we got out hammered by a total of 61 points. Even so, most of those games were competitive. The only rapings were at LSU and Arkansas.
2010: Blessed perfection.
2011: 24, 14, 10, 7, 14 (again the five lowest totals of the year). Point difference? 139. Raped by LSU, Bama, Georgia, Arkansas.
We only gave up 216 TOTAL points in 2008 and still went 5-7. Gave up 376 last year.
New OC isn't going to put 450-500 points on the board. Be lucky to rack up 350.
Going to need the defense to limit the opposition to 300 or less to be anywhere close to where we hope we can be. That's a big burden.
One day y'all will learn.
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This might be your strongest hustle...evah!
That's not really saying all that much.
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That's not really saying all that much.
For a guy so in shape, you would think it would though.
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For a guy so in shape, you would think it would though.
I got passion in my pants and I ain't afraid to show it.
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I got passion in my pants and I ain't afraid to show it.
So, that's what she replaced them with?
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So, that's what she replaced them with?
http://youtu.be/y3Z2MP8vMWU
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He's pretty hung for a eunuch.
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At least both of the games we made the list for are W's.
Also, I understand K's need for "cautious negativity", but I don't really understand the point you're trying to make. You do realize we have a new defensive coordinator too, right? One that, from all accounts so far, is an improvement over Roof by leaps and bounds.
No negativity. You people need to yank your fucking panties off your head.
Merely made a point.
The defense gave up 376 total points last year. If it makes a significant improvement and shaves 76 points off that total -- essentially a touchdown a game improvement over the year -- you'd have to consider that good.
I'd love to think that it could reverse the same kind of trend that occurred when Roof came in and flip from 376 points back to 220 or so. That's a 12 point per game improvement which would be huge. Is that possible? Who knows? I sure don't.
Before Roof, no Auburn defense had EVER given up 300 points in a season. All three of his did. So let's say Van Gorder IS able to slice it back to under 300. Let's say he can knock it back by 10 points per game. Thats 246 for the year. Over 13 games? Still have to cover 18 points per.
Based on what I saw in the MSU and Utah State games I'd be really happy with a defense that gave up ten points per game less.
So let's look at the offense for a minute. While we all agree that Roof's defense was statistically the worst we've ever seen, we also have to agree that Malzahn's was the MOST productive in Auburn history.
Is it realistic to expect the new OC -- who is admittedly not as "wide open" and more traditional than Gus -- to post 34 points per game as Gus did over three years (and with Todd/Moseley/Trotter for two of those)?
For three years we've relied on offense to bail out the defense. Can we count on that any longer? Don't think anybody knows.
The point was that if even if the defense makes what anybody in their right mind would consider SIGNIFICANT improvement -- ten points per game -- the offense may still have to bear an undue burden.
And if the offense isn't prolific, even a significant improvement by the defense may not make a major change in the outcomes.
It's just an observation, it's not negative or positive.
I'd love to say I'm confident AU will win ten or more (or by the same token be confident enough to say we'd lose five).
There's just too much we don't know on BOTH sides of the ball to do that. Only saying that while it's reasonable to expect the defense to be better than the worst we've ever seen, it's also reasonable to expect the offense to slip some from the best we've ever seen. We hope the defense improves drastically while we also hope the offense doesn't suffer a dropoff at all. Maybe it happens that way.
How much one improves versus how much the other slips is the answer nobody has.
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I take offense!
I like panties on my head.
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No negativity. You people need to yank your fucking panties off your head.
Merely made a point.
The defense gave up 376 total points last year. If it makes a significant improvement and shaves 76 points off that total -- essentially a touchdown a game improvement over the year -- you'd have to consider that good.
I'd love to think that it could reverse the same kind of trend that occurred when Roof came in and flip from 376 points back to 220 or so. That's a 12 point per game improvement which would be huge. Is that possible? Who knows? I sure don't.
Before Roof, no Auburn defense had EVER given up 300 points in a season. All three of his did. So let's say Van Gorder IS able to slice it back to under 300. Let's say he can knock it back by 10 points per game. Thats 246 for the year. Over 13 games? Still have to cover 18 points per.
Based on what I saw in the MSU and Utah State games I'd be really happy with a defense that gave up ten points per game less.
So let's look at the offense for a minute. While we all agree that Roof's defense was statistically the worst we've ever seen, we also have to agree that Malzahn's was the MOST productive in Auburn history.
Is it realistic to expect the new OC -- who is admittedly not as "wide open" and more traditional than Gus -- to post 34 points per game as Gus did over three years (and with Todd/Moseley/Trotter for two of those)?
For three years we've relied on offense to bail out the defense. Can we count on that any longer? Don't think anybody knows.
The point was that if even if the defense makes what anybody in their right mind would consider SIGNIFICANT improvement -- ten points per game -- the offense may still have to bear an undue burden.
And if the offense isn't prolific, even a significant improvement by the defense may not make a major change in the outcomes.
It's just an observation, it's not negative or positive.
I'd love to say I'm confident AU will win ten or more (or by the same token be confident enough to say we'd lose five).
There's just too much we don't know on BOTH sides of the ball to do that. Only saying that while it's reasonable to expect the defense to be better than the worst we've ever seen, it's also reasonable to expect the offense to slip some from the best we've ever seen. We hope the defense improves drastically while we also hope the offense doesn't suffer a dropoff at all. Maybe it happens that way.
How much one improves versus how much the other slips is the answer nobody has.
I don't know what all this means, I just wants the score to be 1 more than the other team has.
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No negativity. You people need to yank your fucking panties off your head.
Merely made a point.
The defense gave up 376 total points last year. If it makes a significant improvement and shaves 76 points off that total -- essentially a touchdown a game improvement over the year -- you'd have to consider that good.
I'd love to think that it could reverse the same kind of trend that occurred when Roof came in and flip from 376 points back to 220 or so. That's a 12 point per game improvement which would be huge. Is that possible? Who knows? I sure don't.
Before Roof, no Auburn defense had EVER given up 300 points in a season. All three of his did. So let's say Van Gorder IS able to slice it back to under 300. Let's say he can knock it back by 10 points per game. Thats 246 for the year. Over 13 games? Still have to cover 18 points per.
Based on what I saw in the MSU and Utah State games I'd be really happy with a defense that gave up ten points per game less.
So let's look at the offense for a minute. While we all agree that Roof's defense was statistically the worst we've ever seen, we also have to agree that Malzahn's was the MOST productive in Auburn history.
Is it realistic to expect the new OC -- who is admittedly not as "wide open" and more traditional than Gus -- to post 34 points per game as Gus did over three years (and with Todd/Moseley/Trotter for two of those)?
For three years we've relied on offense to bail out the defense. Can we count on that any longer? Don't think anybody knows.
The point was that if even if the defense makes what anybody in their right mind would consider SIGNIFICANT improvement -- ten points per game -- the offense may still have to bear an undue burden.
And if the offense isn't prolific, even a significant improvement by the defense may not make a major change in the outcomes.
It's just an observation, it's not negative or positive.
I'd love to say I'm confident AU will win ten or more (or by the same token be confident enough to say we'd lose five).
There's just too much we don't know on BOTH sides of the ball to do that. Only saying that while it's reasonable to expect the defense to be better than the worst we've ever seen, it's also reasonable to expect the offense to slip some from the best we've ever seen. We hope the defense improves drastically while we also hope the offense doesn't suffer a dropoff at all. Maybe it happens that way.
How much one improves versus how much the other slips is the answer nobody has.
I like to give Gene credit in 2 areas that we don't often think about:
1. He knew we needed a jump start when he was hired. Enter the Spread NH offense of Gus. Gene rode the spread when it was right. We did very well with it, especially under Cam. It helped attract skill player recruits and build a base. But it has a lifespan in our league and he knew this. As Kenny Rogers said, know when to hold em and know when to fold em. Gene knew when to use it and when to throw it to the curb. He knew that his chances for longterm success in the SEC were better under the philisophy we have now - Pro Style O, Van Gorder D.
2. He also is willing to let go of coaches who aren't performing (Roof and Lolley). Roof was given A mulligan. Once it was up? GONE. He makes the changes needed WHEN they are needed. This one is a very welcome tactic. Tubs proved that being too nice a guy with your assts can cost you your ass. Gene isn't making the same mistakes. Not trying to knock Tubs here and worship CGC but this is something I really had issue with.
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As Kenny Rogers said, know when to hold em and know when to fold em. Gene knew when to use it and when to throw it to the curb.
I thought he said we need $200k but we will take $180k
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I thought he said we need $200k but we will take $180k
$200k? I call that a damn good investment.
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I thought he said we need $200k but we will take $180k
his chicken is expensive.
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I like to give Gene credit in 2 areas that we don't often think about:
1. He knew we needed a jump start when he was hired. Enter the Spread NH offense of Gus. Gene rode the spread when it was right. We did very well with it, especially under Cam. It helped attract skill player recruits and build a base. But it has a lifespan in our league and he knew this. As Kenny Rogers said, know when to hold em and know when to fold em. Gene knew when to use it and when to throw it to the curb. He knew that his chances for longterm success in the SEC were better under the philisophy we have now - Pro Style O, Van Gorder D.
2. He also is willing to let go of coaches who aren't performing (Roof and Lolley). Roof was given A mulligan. Once it was up? GONE. He makes the changes needed WHEN they are needed. This one is a very welcome tactic. Tubs proved that being too nice a guy with your assts can cost you your ass. Gene isn't making the same mistakes. Not trying to knock Tubs here and worship CGC but this is something I really had issue with.
Neither of those things (while both are true) have any impact on what I was saying.
May be the best hires ever, but when you're talking about needing the defense to improve by two touchdowns a game on average? That's a HUGE improvement. Can that happen in one year? Not sure.
Has nothing to do with the hires, the long term direction, the choices, or any of that. Only looking at next year.
The chance that the offense will continue to be the most prolific in Auburn history? Not high. The chance that the defense won't be the worst in the history of Auburn football? Pretty good. Question that nobody can answer is what the difference between the two will be.
You put a Tuberville-style defense, a Dye-style defense with a Chizik/Malzhan offense? We just won three national titles. In a row.
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his chicken is expensive.
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his chicken is expensive.
But it was tender...and crispy.
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You put a Tuberville-style defense, a Dye-style defense with a Chizik/Malzhan offense? We just won three national titles. In a row.
This is the only thing I am not sure of. Last year, our offense struggled. Bad.
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This is the only thing I am not sure of. Last year, our offense struggled. Bad.
Which is exactly why I wrote what I did. Our D was sketchy - which we could get away with as long as we were running the spread on all cyclinders. Last year we did not. Chiz saw the writing on the wall and switched gears.
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That can't be good for business.
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That can't be good for anything.
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Which is exactly why I wrote what I did. Our D was sketchy - which we could get away with as long as we were running the spread on all cyclinders. Last year we did not. Chiz saw the writing on the wall and switched gears.
I'm glad to see us make the switch because ultimately, I love the days of run first and play action. Was it fun as hell watching this team put up record numbers under Malzahn? Loved it. Wouldn't have a problem had Malzahn stayed and we continued with it. But last year wouldn't have been much better no matter what offense we ran. Other than one game where we pounded the Cocks with Dyer, we basically suxxed because of a completely gutted line, no fullback, a group of QB's who really weren't SEC caliber and/or SEC ready (Hopefully Frasier will be) and our best weapon at WR injured much of the year.
Not excuses, it is what it is. They sucked! But I still think this offense and team are one year away. Still huge questions on the line and at QB. Plus, somebody has to step up and give Blake some help. I truly believe someone in this bunch will and my guess is it will come from Coates or one of the incoming freshmen, Williams or Louis. Those guys are big time bad asses.
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I'm glad to see us make the switch because ultimately, I love the days of run first and play action. Was it fun as hell watching this team put up record numbers under Malzahn? Loved it. Wouldn't have a problem had Malzahn stayed and we continued with it. But last year wouldn't have been much better no matter what offense we ran. Other than one game where we pounded the Cocks with Dyer, we basically suxxed because of a completely gutted line, no fullback, a group of QB's who really weren't SEC caliber and/or SEC ready (Hopefully Frasier will be) and our best weapon at WR injured much of the year.
Not excuses, it is what it is. They sucked! But I still think this offense and team are one year away. Still huge questions on the line and at QB. Plus, somebody has to step up and give Blake some help. I truly believe someone in this bunch will and my guess is it will come from Coates or one of the incoming freshmen, Williams or Louis. Those guys are big time bad asses.
I just don't think a NH Spread with a Bend don't Break D can sustain in the SEC over a period of time. I think he knew this. I like the new approach. Pro Style and Multiple with a nice stout D is a great recipe for long success. There is the obvious advantage of controlling the clock too.
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This is the only thing I am not sure of. Last year, our offense struggled. Bad.
Look at some of the Tub/Dye defenses. Go a whole year and give up 92 points? Or 116?
Even with that bad-wheel offense we could have done enough. Part of the offensive struggle (I think) was that we were constantly behind. Changes how you play.
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Part of the offensive struggle (I think) was that we were constantly behind. Changes how you play.
dis be true