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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: AU_Tiger_2000 on September 19, 2011, 10:50:14 AM
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I read this article a couple of weeks ago and have been paying attention to Auburn's plays. Auburn perfectly executed the Packer's Sweep/Buck Sweep from the spread formation on Dyer's first touchdown for 52 yards this week.
http://smartfootball.com/run-game/does-anyone-still-use-vince-lombardis-packers-sweep#more-2305
Article is long and has some embedded video's so I'll just pull out some highlights. BTW, the link goes to a great website for anyone interested in X's and O's. The guy even has a tag for Malzahn he references him and Auburn so much in his articles.
Vince Lombardi’s “Packers’ Sweep” is probably the single most famous play in football. And, if it is not the most famous play on the field, it is undoubtedly the most famous play to have ever been diagrammed. Very few football fans cannot recall the famous “seal here, and a seal here and he runs…. in the alley,” even if they don’t even know what was actually being described; such was the magic of Lombardi:
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But that was then, the common refrain goes. Whether because of the speed of the game, the evolution of offense, or simply the death of the fullback position (which you can see in the diagrams and video had probably the most crucial block in the whole play), the play is simply no longer relevant, having been replaced by zone blocking. Indeed, Bill Walsh’s 49ers, shown in a photo from 1986, was one of the last major NFL teams to run this play.
And it is kind of true that the play is not nearly as popular as it once was, but it — or at least some very similar concepts — have been making a bit of a comeback. The source of the modern “Lombardi Sweep” is the Wing-T “buck-sweep,” maybe the most important play in the entire Wing-T family.
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Since he was at Springdale, [Auburn's Gus] Malzahn has been running a version of the old Wing-T “buck sweep” (also sometimes called the “truck sweep”) from the shotgun. Most teams don’t use this because it’s a kind of slow-developing play to the outside, but Herb Hand once mentioned that it averaged more than 10 yards an attempt at Tulsa for a full season. The play is classic Wing-T: The line, tight ends, and receivers all block “down,” or step to their inside to get an angle to cut off defenders’ pursuit, while both guards pull and lead to the outside. Meanwhile, the quarterback executes a fake, causing the defense to hesitate for just a moment, and off the runner goes. And if the generic buck sweep is classic Wing-T, the Auburn version is classic Malzahn, an age-old concept combined not just with the shotgun but with a funky formation and receiver motion. He can use a variety of sets and looks, but against Mississippi State running back Ben Tate scored on a long touchdown run on this play where Malzahn brought the receiver in a sweep motion and the quarterback, after handing it to Tate, faked giving the ball on the reverse, then faked again as if he was setting up for a play-action pass, all of which is possible in this system.
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There’s no magic here, and it’s important to remember Lombardi’s dictum: It’s more important to do a few things well than a bunch of clever things poorly. But, given the prevalence of the zone running game today, I wouldn’t be surprised to see the old Wing-T concepts — and, indeed, the old Vince Lombardi man blocked concepts as well — making a resurgence. Some things just never get old.
Here's the play diagram for the article for the Auburn sweep in article
(http://a323.yahoofs.com/ymg/ept_sports_ncaaf_experts__22/ept_sports_ncaaf_experts-179174022-1254415252.jpg?ymU.m.BDEvAjEqyi)
Here's Dyer's play
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFKTWwKMk44
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I read this article a couple of weeks ago and have been paying attention to Auburn's plays. Auburn perfectly executed the Packer's Sweep/Buck Sweep from the spread formation on Dyer's first touchdown for 52 yards this week.
http://smartfootball.com/run-game/does-anyone-still-use-vince-lombardis-packers-sweep#more-2305
Article is long and has some embedded video's so I'll just pull out some highlights. BTW, the link goes to a great website for anyone interested in X's and O's. The guy even has a tag for Malzahn he references him and Auburn so much in his articles.
Here's the play diagram for the article for the Auburn sweep in article
(http://a323.yahoofs.com/ymg/ept_sports_ncaaf_experts__22/ept_sports_ncaaf_experts-179174022-1254415252.jpg?ymU.m.BDEvAjEqyi)
Here's Dyer's play
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFKTWwKMk44
Malzahn runs wing t version. Not quite same as Green Bay's version.
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The guy mentions that in the article, but he also says the Packer's version is a variation of the Wing T play.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZnRwBsOb5c
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZnRwBsOb5c
We're trying to accentuate the positive here by focusing on the lineage of the plays on offense that are working.
I suggest you start a thread about defense and how Roof learned his defense from this website.
http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/football-players-roles-in-team-offense-and-defense.html
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We're trying to accentuate the positive here by focusing on the lineage of the plays on offense that are working.
I suggest you start a thread about defense and how Roof learned his defense from this website.
http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/football-players-roles-in-team-offense-and-defense.html
Ok. The offense only scored 3 points in the second half...discuss.
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Ok. The offense only scored 3 points in the second half...discuss.
Pod people replaced our players?
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Pod people replaced our players?
I agree. Motherfuckers always replacing our shit.
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Ok. The offense only scored 3 points in the second half...discuss.
I believe the biggest reason there is because Climpsum ran 475 plays in the second half.
Granted, Mr. Malzahn did not have one of his more stellar days, but the offense did have 24 points and almost 450 yards in offense. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the defense only stopped Climpsum on downs 3 times the entire day...2 of which were on the first 2 series. Also, after Trotter threw that last pick deep in their territory, Climpsum used the last 8+ minutes leisurely cramming the ball down Auburn's throats to run out the clock.
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Ok. The offense only scored 3 points in the second half...discuss.
It helps if they have the ball.
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Ok. The offense only scored 3 points in the second half...discuss.
2nd Half
4 Possessions
Time: 7:37
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2nd Half
4 Possessions
Time: 7:37
2 punts, 1 interception, and 1 field goal.
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2 punts, 1 interception, and 1 field goal.
You've solved the mystery.
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2 punts, 1 interception, and 1 field goal.
Not sure I get your point?
Even the best team in the NFL doesn't score on every possession.
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2 punts, 1 interception, and 1 field goal.
Maybe with a middle of the pack D we have more than 7 minutes to do something other than play catchup?
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Maybe with a middle of the pack D we have more than 7 minutes to do something other than play catchup?
Thus far, opposing offenses have gotten roughly 50% more offensive snaps per game. AU's offense would have to be near perfect to keep up, and has in 2 of 3 games vs medocre competition. God help us if we do the same vs Ark, Fla, USCe.
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I blame Trovon Reed
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Our O wants to run what, 80 plays? How can we do that when we only have the ball roughly 8 minutes in an entire half? If the other team is cramming it down your throat chewing up the clock, then you O has to score almost every possession to maintain an even keel with the opposing teams O and you can't make mistakes b/c your D can't stop them from scoring.
Our D has to get off the field on 3rd down, we do that, they aren't scoring which makes them have to play catch up and get "cute" which results in mistakes that we capitalize on. We aren't doing that b/c our D sucks and we have to try and get everything out of every offensive possession. It leads to mistakes.
Even if Gus did have a shitty game and I am not saying he didn't. He should be able to have a couple of brainfarts and have a D to get him the ball back without the opponent scoring every single time up the field. Vice Versa for the DC. Right now, Gus doesn't have that luxury.
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I blame Trovon Reed
It all starts and ends with the long snapper.
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It all starts and ends with the long snapper.
Snaggle has suffered enough.
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The guy mentions that in the article, but he also says the Packer's version is a variation of the Wing T play.
Well, I guess you could call it a variation. But they're different in a lot of ways. They're blocked differently. The Wing T Buck Sweep has a misdirection element to it, and the Green Bay Sweep does not. Both are great football plays.
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BTW, Smartfootball.com is informative.
If you like the Xs and Os, this is pretty cool too...
[embed=425,349]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmtVeqMt6dc[/embed]
[embed=425,349]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBPhz_en4aM&feature=related[/embed]
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We run the buck sweep and the most important part is to not widen it out. Stick your foot in the ground and get vertical behind the blocks. Dyer does it at the 2 second mark.
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We run the buck sweep and the most important part is to not widen it out. Stick your foot in the ground and get vertical behind the blocks. Dyer does it at the 2 second mark.
Yep.
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We could add the WR seal block on the OLB was crucial but we knew that.
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We could add the WR seal block on the OLB was crucial but we knew that.
We are going to get a heavy dose of Buck Sweep Fri. night. Straight up Delaware style. They run it about 20 times a game.
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We are going to get a heavy dose of Buck Sweep Fri. night. Straight up Delaware style. They run it about 20 times a game.
Who will run it and and against whom?
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Who will run it and and against whom?
Tuscaloosa Academy runs it, and will this week vs Restoration Academy.
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Line up in a 4I and slant to the motion. Make sure your LBs read through the OGs and fill the lanes. If they fill before the blocks start you got it stopped. We have also had people run their OLB down the line to try and stop us. That works if you can fill the lanes and slow up the RB. Also if that DE lines up in a 7 then moves to a 9 on the motion it will screw up their blocking assignments. Chances are they use gap, down, backer and that will move the DE from a guy the TE will block with the tack to a guy the wing and TE muct block. I like that double team better than a tack/TE double team.
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Line up in a 4I and slant to the motion. Make sure your LBs read through the OGs and fill the lanes. If they fill before the blocks start you got it stopped. We have also had people run their OLB down the line to try and stop us. That works if you can fill the lanes and slow up the RB. Also if that DE lines up in a 7 then moves to a 9 on the motion it will screw up their blocking assignments. Chances are they use gap, down, backer and that will move the DE from a guy the TE will block with the tack to a guy the wing and TE muct block. I like that double team better than a tack/TE double team.
I'm not the DC, but you describe what we do. 33 stack (53 vs this offense) and we slant and blitz every down. Our spurs are in 9s, and our DEs are in 4s. DC will do more blitzing and moving around this week based on the very things you said.
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It's easier to just get them ejected from the game.
Let me know if you need tips.
I was a master of doing this against fuckers I couldn't block.