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Did T-Town Menswear Cause an NCAA Violation For Alabama?Published on: July 22, 2011 | Written by: Clay Travis
You know the drill these days. You go to the bar to celebrate the launch of your website with a bunch of great people, come home planning to fall into bed and dream about what gifts Les Miles might give us all at SEC Media Days tomorrow, and instead find a collection of emails in the inbox spilling out the latest social media scandal in college athletics. This happens when you're me and both Auburn and Alabama fans have decided that you'll be one of the conduits for each fan base to attack the other. This time it's the Alabama Crimson Tide on the dais taking their turn in the borderline infractions limelight courtesy of sleuthing by Auburn fans. It seems that the folks at T-Town Menswear have made part of their business plan attracting Alabama fans to their fine establishment in the Tuscaloosa Mall. Based on their television advertising which is linked below courtesy of @warblogle on Twitter, Terrence Cody and Javier Arenas, among other players have had autograph sessions with fans after their college careers end.
There's nothing wrong with these men selling their autographs then. But is there something wrong with any college kid appearing in a television commercial with someone named Louie Linguini? I think so. Although, let's be fair, this Terrence Cody block sequence is Academy Award winning. Perhaps the greatest single athlette acting performance since Cody's own shirtless forty yard dash. You must watch this video here.
But given the current environment where schools like Ohio State can lose their coach because of tattoo hook-ups, should a Tuscaloosa establishment really be advertising its store with autographed jerseys of Julio Jones, Mark Ingram, and Trent Richardson during the 2010 season? (The date stamp on the T-Town Menswear Facebook album, which you can view for the moment right here -- before it is inevitably pulled early this morning -- is November 1,2010 but the date on the camera is October 19, 2010). Julio Jones and Mark Ingram have since gone pro, although they weren't pros at the time that their autographed helmets and jerseys were inside the store windows. But two of the jerseys in the window Nico Johnson, a rising junior, and Trent Richardson, one of the top Heisman candidates in the country, are back for 2011.
And no matter what Trent Richardson surely shouldn't be posing for photos as he signs helmets in the store.
It's possible that Richardson is merely signing one helmet and one jersey and he had no idea that the store was then going to put his signed jersey and helmet in the display case. After all, thanks to NCAA rules the only person not able to capitalize off the value of his signature is the athlete. But remember that Terrelle Pryor was ultimately forced out at Ohio State over allegations about payment for autographs while he was at Ohio State. So allowing a business to put up pictures of you and your teammates signing memorabilia on the Internet is just plain stupid. You gain nothing and everyone's eyebrows are raised. So a guy in a wife-beater walks into a suit store, signs a helmet and jersey, and walks out with nothing at all? What's the incentive for Bama players to provide autographs to T-Town Menswear? And how in the world did a suit store owner end up with what looks like national championship rings?
Those are interesting questions that it's probably better not to ask if you're a Bama fan.
But when T-Town Menswear placed the jerseys and helmets of current players in its window, according to @bylawblog who is a must follow on Twitter, they committed an NCAA violation. Since using a student's likeness to profit is an NCAA violation. But so long as that student doesn't actually receive anything in return then there is no significant punishment. A school must, however, monitor situations such as these and send a cease and desist letter to attempt to keep that business from profiting off the student athlete's likeness. Because remember kids, the only companies that can profit off a student athlete's likeness are those that partner with the NCAA.
Aren't monopolies grand?
I've got an email in to Alabama to see if this situation was remedied back in November and will update y'all with what the University says about this incident when they reply to me.
Given that this was a public mall it's hard to believe that someone didn't tip off Alabama to the NCAA violation pretty quickly. As to why T-Town Menswear and the spectacularly named Louie Linguini is still advertising images like these on Facebook, I have no idea. But this is just the latest peril of social media.
If only there was a friendly police officer to protect us from all these darn NCAA crimes. Oh, wait, he's posing with Richardson in the store. Damn.
In case you're wondering this is what Scott Van Pelt would look like if he'd grown up in Tuscaloosa and become a police officer instead of an ESPN anchor.
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note to self: Buy stock in the ACME Hammer Manufacturing Company.
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That article makes no sense. At all. It's basically saying that if you get something signed by a player, you can never sell it or display it in a business, in your office, etc.
As long as none of the players were paid for the autographed items, it's all good.
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Tip of the iceberg, goatfucker.
Hold on to your nutsack. There will be more.
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As long as none of the players were paid for the autographed items, it's all good.
12.5 PROMOTIONAL ACTIVITIES 12.5.2 Nonpermissible. 12.5.2.1 Advertisements and Promotions After Becoming a Student-Athlete. After becoming a student-athlete, an individual shall not be eligible for participation in intercollegiate athletics if the individual: (a) Accepts any remuneration for or permits the use of his or her name or picture to advertise, recommend or promote directly the sale or use of a commercial product or service of any kind; or (b) Receives remuneration for endorsing a commercial product or service through the individual’s use of such product or service.
They're at the store signing autographs, and those autographs are subsequently placed in the windows as advertisements.
Unless this guy has some kind of special permit with the NCAA I've never heard of, he's breaking a rule.
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That article makes no sense. At all. It's basically saying that if you get something signed by a player, you can never sell it or display it in a business, in your office, etc.
As long as none of the players were paid for the autographed items, it's all good.
You're a dumb ass...
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http://outkickthecoverage.com/alabama-notifies-oktc-of-cease-and-desist-letter-sent-to-t-town-menswear-in-december-2010.php
and Desist Letter Sent to T-Town Menswear In December 2010
Published on: July 22, 2011 | Written by: Clay Travis Written by: David Wasson
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In the wake of Outkickthecoverage.com's report early this morning that multiple Alabama players had their autographed jerseys and helmets used to advertise T-Town Men's Wear, a men's suit store in Tuscaloosa, Alabama has notified OKTC's David Wasson that the program sent a cease and desist letter to T-Town's Men's Wear in December of 2010. That would be about six weeks after the October 19th date stamp on the jersey picture from the display window linked below. That display window featured current Crimson Tide players Trent Richardson and Nico Johnson and at the time of the photo Mark Ingram and Julio Jones, now drafted, were playing in the NFL.
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The use of the autographed jerseys and helmets, first reported on this site, constitutes a clear violation of NCAA rule 12.5, excerpted below.
12.5 PROMOTIONAL ACTIVITIES
12.5.2 Nonpermissible.
12.5.2.1 Advertisements and Promotions After Becoming a Student-Athlete.
After becoming a student-athlete, an individual shall not be eligible for participation in intercollegiate athletics if the individual:
(a) Accepts any remuneration for or permits the use of his or her name or picture to advertise, recommend or promote directly the sale or use of a commercial product or service of any kind; or
(b) Receives remuneration for endorsing a commercial product or service through the individual’s use of such
product or service.
But just as Alabama works to put out this fire, OKTC has received multiple other pictures that provide evidence of substantial connections between the owner of the store, Tom Albetar, pictured above with Nick Saban, and current Alabama athletes. Indeed, it appears that the owner of the store, Albetar, has even used another current Alabama athlete Marquis Maze in advertisements for his business. Maze, a junior wide receiver for the Crimson Tide, is pictured idn the third picture below, posing in the men's store holding a helmet.
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Acccording to multiple tippers, Albetar even advertises his business on social media with the slogan "We dress Alabama football."
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Whatever may be the full extent of the relationship between Albetar and Crimson Tide athletes, it's clear that Alabama has a battle on its hands to keep Albetar from endangering the eligibility of current Crimson Tide athletes. And it's also clear that Albetar's connection to the program, he appears to own two championship rings, may be much deeper than previously realized.
We'll keep you updated on this evolving story here. In fact, curses, we're missing Les Miles right now.
OKTC has requested comment from Albetar, but has received no comment thus far.
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Alabama has notified OKTC's David Wasson
Wasson. Former editor of the Tuscaloosa News. Lives in Tuscaloosa.
I have obtained a copy of the notification. See below.
Look, motherfucker. You better get a cap on that shit PRON-FUCKING-TO, aight? Your job, you son of a bitch, is to make sure that shit like this DOES NOT FUCKING SEE THE LIGHT OF FUCKING DAY, aight?
We know where you fucking live. We know where your fucking daughter goes to school.
Now GET fucking CONTROL of that fucking motherfucking shit, aight?
Sincerely,
NS
(not Saban, aight?)
PS:
Dre K will be by to pick up our suits on Thursday as usual. We'll need 80 of them. Mostly straight ties, five bow ties. You have the size list. Do NOT let him in the front door any more. He'll come to the back. He'll park the Charger by the outside door and honk the horn three times, aight?
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I've heard Alabama has a contract with this guy to provide the suits for travel as long as they are returned.
16.8.2.1
16.8.2.1 Travel Apparel. Except as permitted in Bylaw 16.8.1.9, an institution may
not provide to student-athletes team travel outfits, blazers or other items of clothing
that are not sports-related practice or competition apparel.
http://grfx.cstv.com/schools/alab/datadump/fls_files/files/files/11977.pdf
Something isn't right about this, but yada yada nothing will come of it.
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NCAA just approved of OSU's empty "internal investigation" in December.
:move:
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Finebaum saying repeatedly that he "doesn't understand" Clay Travis's article.
His simple mind can't make sense of it. Might as well be Chinese arithmetics.
Funny how he always has comprehension trouble with negative BMa stories.
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Interesting enough, Alabama fans are using Joe Schad's tweets as their best defense for this situation.
schadjoe Bama did not get NCAA or SEC involved in T-Town inquiry
Also from Schad's article, Bama didn't get them involved because they didn't think it was a big deal.
That doesn't mean the NCAA or SEC wouldn't want to be involved now that it's been reported.
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I saw the pic of the guy with the rings on yesterday on Never to Yield. Is NtY the ones that dropped the story to someone or was it someone else?
BTW why when I click change profile after uploading a profile pic, do I get a blank page plus it never saves my changes?
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They're at the store signing autographs, and those autographs are subsequently placed in the windows as advertisements.
Unless this guy has some kind of special permit with the NCAA I've never heard of, he's breaking a rule.
Unless he told the players "Hey, I'm gonna use these autographed items to advertise/endorse my store!" when they autographed the stuff, I really don't see how Alabama will get in one bit of trouble. A cease and desist letter was apparently sent shortly after the stuff was put up. I wasn't aware of that particular rule, but I suppose it makes sense.
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I saw the pic of the guy with the rings on yesterday on Never to Yield. Is NtY the ones that dropped the story to someone or was it someone else?
BTW why when I click change profile after uploading a profile pic, do I get a blank page plus it never saves my changes?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0
I get it. You all want me to stop posting. Thats fine I will, But before I do know this. Most of you are some of the bigest dicks I have ever met as far as Auburn fans go. One would think that a fellow AU fan could at least ask questions, but apparently thats too much to ask. I can tell you all pretty much just like playing with yourselves. Have fun with your lil circle jerk you have going on.
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I saw the pic of the guy with the rings on yesterday on Never to Yield. Is NtY the ones that dropped the story to someone or was it someone else?
BTW why when I click change profile after uploading a profile pic, do I get a blank page plus it never saves my changes?
I don't know who dropped it. Scout was the first board I saw it on.
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I'm not sure why you all want to make such a big deal about this? These are fine upstanding young men in this program.
What other division I athletes would take so much time out of their schedule to take old men fishing and help work in their stores. They continually give to teh community and ask ask in return only to be left alone with the community that they have grown so close to.
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Unless he told the players "Hey, I'm gonna use these autographed items to advertise/endorse my store!" when they autographed the stuff, I really don't see how Alabama will get in one bit of trouble. A cease and desist letter was apparently sent shortly after the stuff was put up. I wasn't aware of that particular rule, but I suppose it makes sense.
Yeah, that's why the TTown Menswear Facebook page still has all of the photos as of yesterday on it promoting the business. Also, Tom, whatever his last name is, is a booster to boot.
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I get it. You all want me to stop posting. Thats fine I will, But before I do know this. Most of you are some of the bigest dicks I have ever met as far as Auburn fans go. One would think that a fellow AU fan could at least ask questions, but apparently thats too much to ask. I can tell you all pretty much just like playing with yourselves. Have fun with your lil circle jerk you have going on.
Its called freshman hazing. Get with it or get over it. Our circle jerks are the best of its kind.
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I get it. You all want me to stop posting. Thats fine I will, But before I do know this. Most of you are some of the bigest dicks I have ever met as far as Auburn fans go. One would think that a fellow AU fan could at least ask questions, but apparently thats too much to ask. I can tell you all pretty much just like playing with yourselves. Have fun with your lil circle jerk you have going on.
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Nobody gives a fiddling fuck in a golden wheatfield if you post or not. But if you're going to, you've got to reach out there and give it some effort. Carry your share of the load.
"Most are some?" That's some pretty bad grouping. It's either most are or some are but not most are some.
You can either get with the program or step back and reboot yourself. Come back with a new and upgraded version maybe.
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Yeah, that's why the TTown Menswear Facebook page still has all of the photos as of yesterday on it promoting the business. Also, Tom, whatever his last name is, is a booster to boot.
Beat me to it.
This was an intimate setting. Just a couple of buds signing autographs for each other.
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How the fuck Joe Schad can say "Nope. No improprieties here. Bama said so. I mean, they didn't involve the NCAA or SEC or anything, but I'm sure that's cool", is baffling.
Especially since this came to light after the media tried to make a big deal out of allegations that Cam might have gotten a discount on the suit he wore to the Heisman ceremony.
And this guy is the self-proclaimed "clothier of the Alabama Crimson Tide football team".
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Oh, and this (from earlier in the thread, which you were replying to) was meant to be a private advertisement. More of a greeting card, really.
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I get it. You all want me to stop posting. Thats fine I will, But before I do know this. Most of you are some of the bigest dicks I have ever met as far as Auburn fans go. One would think that a fellow AU fan could at least ask questions, but apparently thats too much to ask. I can tell you all pretty much just like playing with yourselves. Have fun with your lil circle jerk you have going on.
There's a lotta quit in that boy.
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I get it. You all want me to stop posting. Thats fine I will, But before I do know this. Most of you are some of the bigest dicks I have ever met as far as Auburn fans go. One would think that a fellow AU fan could at least ask questions, but apparently thats too much to ask. I can tell you all pretty much just like playing with yourselves. Have fun with your lil circle jerk you have going on.
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:hop: was sent letter of inquiry from NCAA. the hammer will fall. pictures will surface.
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Beat me to it.
This was an intimate setting. Just a couple of buds signing autographs for each other.
It's not against any bylaw for current or former players to sign autographs. Anywhere. As long as they aren't being paid for them, they can sign autographs for people everyday, anywhere, anytime.
I mean shit, if we're going to make a big deal out of this, I know a few restaurants that display autographed stuff from AU players. The collision place I took my car to last year during the season proudly displayed in their lobby items signed by AU players still on the team. One of the guys there has a signed picture of Newton in his office. How stupid do we want to get?
Bottom line, Alabama isn't going to get anything because of this. I understand some of you want to puff it up to be more than it is as retribution for all of the shit Alabama fans are stirring, but it's stretching.
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Its called freshman hazing. Get with it or get over it. Our circle jerks are the best of its kind.
He's probably just pissed because you guys won't let him be the pivot man yet.
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It's not against any bylaw for current or former players to sign autographs. Anywhere. As long as they aren't being paid for them, they can sign autographs for people everyday, anywhere, anytime.
I mean shit, if we're going to make a big deal out of this, I know a few restaurants that display autographed stuff from AU players. The collision place I took my car to last year during the season proudly displayed in their lobby items signed by AU players still on the team. One of the guys there has a signed picture of Newton in his office. How stupid do we want to get?
Bottom line, Alabama isn't going to get anything because of this. I understand some of you want to puff it up to be more than it is as retribution for all of the shit Alabama fans are stirring, but it's stretching.
Are you seriously this retarded? No one is saying that it's a violation to sign items...A BOOSTER is using current uat players to sell his business, "Been outfitting (uat) players since 1995." This collision place doesn't run comercials with current Auburn players does it? NOPE. Well, the TTown Menswear place did...
*wrong video*
(1:30 Mark)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y49AmGl56wY
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Are you seriously this retarded? No one is saying that it's a violation to sign items...A BOOSTER is using current uat players to sell his business, "Been outfitting (uat) players since 1995." This collision place doesn't run comercials with current Auburn players does it? NOPE. Well, the TTown Menswear place does....
Where are you getting the info that the guy is a booster?
The first video, you may have a point. I'm not sure if the NCAA would say that is an advertisement for the store, or if it is more so advertising the autograph signing itself.
The second video, I'm not sure what your point is. TC is no longer an Alabama player. When he was shown signing autographs, it was after the NC game. Same for Javier Arenas. Their last game was the NC game. Seeing as how they were both under "2009 National Champions" signs, I would say that is pretty decent proof of when the video was done. I don't see any issues with the second video. The first video, that might be an issue. I suppose it depends on how much the NCAA sees it as an advertisement for the business, or an advertisement more for the actual autograph signing. I mean, if you're going to have an autograph signing and you're going to let people know about it, wouldn't you have to mention the name of the business or location where it is taking place by default? Or do you have to say "Autograph signing somewhere in Tuscaloosa by some players on some team. Find us so you can figure out who they are, what team they are from.....if you can even find us!"
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*wrong video*
It was the only video you posted that you might even have a point on.
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TRENT RICHARDSON SIGNING JERSEYS WITH PRICETAGS ON THEM IN T-TOWN MEN'S WEAR
Published on: July 22, 2011 | Written by: Clay Travis
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Leaving aside the clear questions of why a talented running back would travel to Tuscaloosa's mall and sign Alabama apparel for a random, middle-aged small business owner, the decision is easier to justify if it only happened once. Maybe Richardson is just a nice guy motivated by the boundless depth of his heart. But...based on the photo obtained this evening by OutkicktheCoverage.com, Trent Richardson made more than one trip to T-Town Men's Wear to sign Alabama apparel. Either that or he changed pants mid-signing. Who know, maybe it was getting hot in there -- commence singing along with the song, I did.
As you can see from the above photo, Richardson is signing more than one jersey and both jerseys appear to have price tags presently affixed to them. What's more, the jerseys have Richardson's name on the back which means they have to be specially ordered. NCAA regulations don't permit any stores to sell jerseys with Richardson's actual name on them. Why, you might ask, would he allow his photograph to be taken while signing specially ordered jerseys that aren't available for purchase in traditional retailers? Surely if this was merely a gift for the owner, the owner wouldn't require proof that the person in the store actually signed the jersey, right? He'd know because he'd have seen it. Could it be that someone else wants proof that Richardson actually signed the jersey?
I don't know, a buyer perhaps?
We're less than 24 hours into unpacking the extraordinarily odd relationship between a haberdasher and Alabama's football program, and I don't think we've even seen a fraction of what's to come. What's more, we're only three days into the life of OKTC and already -- already! -- we're driving the coverage of ESPN's Joe Schad and receiving no acknowledgment. This has to be a record, right? In case you missed it Schad took a break from his legal depositions in the Mike Leach case to get a comment from Alabama about its investigation into this matter initially reported by OKTC. Only, you guessed it, the report provided no foundation for how ESPN knew Bama might have a compliance issue with a clothing retailer in Tuscaloosa.
It was another castle in the sky story from ESPN, simply a report that Alabama compliance had looked into a local store and found nothing there. Not a suggestion of, you know, where the four-letter network might have become aware of Bama's potential issue.
Since ESPN won't acknowledge why its reporters are asking Alabama questions about our reports, I'll go ahead and cut and paste ESPN's six sentence "investigation" that was on the front page of the site. It's a shame, really, if Joe Schad had just acknowledged that he was reading our website this morning, I probably could have gotten him some free pairs of Duck Head.
Here's Schad's investigative report:
"Alabama's compliance department sent a cease-and-desist letter to the owner of a Tuscaloosa men's clothing store in December, asking it not to use the likenesses of football players in any advertising or commercials.
Alabama looked into the relationship between T-Town, the store, and players such as star running back Trent Richardson and concluded that the players did not receive benefits such as merchandise or discounts, a source said. Student-athletes can't be featured in any commercial advertising. The school also looked into autographs seen at the shop. The Alabama compliance office is monitoring the situation. The NCAA and SEC have not been engaged, the source said, because there is not believed to be an eligibility issue."
But rather than feud with ESPN's attempt to pretend its reporters aren't reading the site, it's Friday, a time for beers, good cheer, and a robust start to the weekend. After three days, I want to say thanks to all who came to hang out at our site, to all of who emailed, and to the three of you who have threatend to kill me. You're all beloved. Even you Legend from Paul Finebaum's show.
And I hope that you'll all be back again soon.
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He's probably just pissed because you guys won't let him be the pivot man yet.
He should learn the correct posture.
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It's not against any bylaw for current or former players to sign autographs. Anywhere. As long as they aren't being paid for them, they can sign autographs for people everyday, anywhere, anytime.
I mean shit, if we're going to make a big deal out of this, I know a few restaurants that display autographed stuff from AU players. The collision place I took my car to last year during the season proudly displayed in their lobby items signed by AU players still on the team. One of the guys there has a signed picture of Newton in his office. How stupid do we want to get?
Bottom line, Alabama isn't going to get anything because of this. I understand some of you want to puff it up to be more than it is as retribution for all of the shit Alabama fans are stirring, but it's stretching.
I know of a restaurant that has more than just uat signed pictures of current players, lmao...that's all I'm going to say. A few here knows what I'm talking about.
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This is pretty cut-and-dry.
A "current" player (which Maze, Nico and Richardson) are, can NOT have their images, or names used to promote a business. Whether they benefit from it or not.
How do they know he's a booster? Because this idiot has dozens of photos online with him on the sidelines at games, in boxes, and in boxes with people like Namath and such. Try to say that guy's not a booster, or that it couldn't be proven, and you're stepping directly into shithead status.
Maze being in an actual advertisement, is no picnic for Bama either.
Another problem that's happening here is the extremely coincidental cover-up bullshit that's happening. A cease-and-desist letter, that was either never sent, or at minimum COMPLETELY ignored, and also jerseys that were signed in Tuscaloosa on September 3, 2010, and end up on a Vice Sports Memorabilia page the SAME day... Only to be yanked today when it was identified by posters on multiple boards as the same jersey seen in at TTown Menswear. In itself, it's nothing. Dude is allowed to sell that shit if he wants. Have it found, and poof, be yanked on the same day it's identified from the FB pictures? Kinda suspicious.
Look... It might be nothing. Could be as simple as a trade out for dressing Alabama football players for travel games, Alabama allows a certain level of access. Fine. However, it's STILL an issue, and violation if the menswear store is clearly promoting his business by putting current player equipment (let alone signed) in his shop window.
Again, it's going to come down to Alabama KNOWING about this (acknowledged by the cease-and-desist) but for whatever reason in their shit for brains heads, decided NOT to report it to the SEC and NCAA. Why not mention this violation to the NCAA when you've already reported a crazy amount anyway? Probably because you'd rather it go unchecked. That's a cover-up and it's bunch of shit for Bammer if it gets looked into.
Just my opinion....
Not good that Trent's got photos of him out with Tom at a hibachi restaurant circulating the net tonight either... Shit's getting a little thick...
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Clay Travis has posted the cease and desist letter.
http://outkickthecoverage.com/alabama-releases-cease-and-desist-letter-to-t-town-menswear.php
Sorry for the large pic.
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uat convently sent the C&D Letter the same day that OSU handed down their decision to suspend the tattooed players. uat Athletic Department knew about this long before sending the C&D letter.
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The dinner photo(s) are the most incriminating, after the Skybox pics, Sideline and Recruiting passes.
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This is pretty cut-and-dry.
A "current" player (which Maze, Nico and Richardson) are, can NOT have their images, or names used to promote a business. Whether they benefit from it or not.
Well, since it's that black and white, I have an easy solution. Business owners who are Alabama fans should purchase some items signed by current AU players (which are readily available for purchase on teh intrawebs) and display said items in their businesses. They should also create whatever graphics they can of those players with the business' logo and put them on their business' Facebook page.
While we're at it, we need to start scouring Facebook to find any business page that has any picture of any current AU player on it. I'll get the number for the NCAA from Prowler so I can report all of the businesses I have noticed that put up "WAR CAM EAGLE" on their signs after the SECCG, plus all of the businesses that have things signed by current AU players displayed to the public (such as a team signed NC helmet). Oh, and we will need to report the websites displaying signed items for sale as well. If they're using a picture of the signed item, they're advertising that signed item to promote their business and sell the item.
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Well, since it's that black and white, I have an easy solution. Business owners who are Alabama fans should purchase some items signed by current AU players (which are readily available for purchase on teh intrawebs) and display said items in their businesses. They should also create whatever graphics they can of those players with the business' logo and put them on their business' Facebook page.
While we're at it, we need to start scouring Facebook to find any business page that has any picture of any current AU player on it. I'll get the number for the NCAA from Prowler so I can report all of the businesses I have noticed that put up "WAR CAM EAGLE" on their signs after the SECCG, plus all of the businesses that have things signed by current AU players displayed to the public (such as a team signed NC helmet). Oh, and we will need to report the websites displaying signed items for sale as well. If they're using a picture of the signed item, they're advertising that signed item to promote their business and sell the item.
You're a dumbass.... and miss the point.
These people are boosters with ties to the Alabama athletic program. This isn't just some random fan.
Also, it's pretty clear that Alabama sent a letter telling them to stop it, which they didn't. Alabama knew it was a problem. Why don't you, RWS?
The other issue with this, is that Alabama knew it was a "potential" violation at minimum, yet did no follow up evidently, and still never reported it to the NCAA or SEC. That's playing with fire when you're a program in it's 17th year of probation.
Also, why would this booster continue to do it, despite the letter telling him to stop?
How you can sit there and play the "nothing to see here" card is amazing, when there are un-doctored, clear and unchallenged facts involved.
**Quick note on your "War Cam Eagle" retort... The AU Compliance department DID send out letters telling them to stop. Which they did. I don't remember seeing any Auburn Athletics affiliated or business they had contracts with distributing, or promoting their business' with said shirts afterwards. I'm also pretty sure they didn't ask Cam to autograph them to put in their store windows while thumbing their noses at their partner universities compliance department either.
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Well, since it's that black and white, I have an easy solution. Business owners who are Alabama fans should purchase some items signed by current AU players (which are readily available for purchase on teh intrawebs) and display said items in their businesses. They should also create whatever graphics they can of those players with the business' logo and put them on their business' Facebook page.
While we're at it, we need to start scouring Facebook to find any business page that has any picture of any current AU player on it. I'll get the number for the NCAA from Prowler so I can report all of the businesses I have noticed that put up "WAR CAM EAGLE" on their signs after the SECCG, plus all of the businesses that have things signed by current AU players displayed to the public (such as a team signed NC helmet). Oh, and we will need to report the websites displaying signed items for sale as well. If they're using a picture of the signed item, they're advertising that signed item to promote their business and sell the item.
RWS, despite some Prowlie and Chop bullshit from time to time, it seems clear that this was an issue for the bammer compliance dept. Not sure why you can't see that.
Your second paragraph, though tongue in cheek by you, illustrates the thinking of a large portion of your fan-base. "Let's see if we can get Auburn hamstrung by the NCAA because we don't want to compete with them on the field at full strength." Buncha fucking entitled idiot fuck sticks that would rather be awarded a NC by default because the NCAA shut down the rest of the SEC than have to compete for it.
It's so gawddamned funny to hear a bunch of inbred morons talk on the radio and message boards about how "irrelevant" Auburn is, and how we normally suck despite the fact that we lead bammer in almost every category of wins and losses the last 30 years, we're the reigning BCS champion, have the reigning Heisman winner, plus 2 more than bammer, have made a habit of beating bammer, the self proclaimed king of college football, who is constantly having to scream "they cheated" every time we accomplish something on the field.
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You're a dumbass.... and miss the point.
No, you said it yourself. It's cut and dried. The situations I listed are exact instances of what you described.
Also, it's pretty clear that Alabama sent a letter telling them to stop it, which they didn't. Alabama knew it was a problem. Why don't you, RWS?
I agree that there is/was a problem. To what extent, I don't know. I'm not the NCAA. However, I really don't think there will be anything that happens with this. If anything, NCAA will definitely have issues with him on the licensing front.
The other issue with this, is that Alabama knew it was a "potential" violation at minimum, yet did no follow up evidently, and still never reported it to the NCAA or SEC. That's playing with fire when you're a program in it's 17th year of probation.
Generally, you would need to report something when you believe the situation might affect the eligibility of a player. Not sending the cease and desist might have warranted them reporting it. I do agree though, that they probably should have reported it regardless.
**Quick note on your "War Cam Eagle" retort... The AU Compliance department DID send out letters telling them to stop. Which they did. I don't remember seeing any Auburn Athletics affiliated or business they had contracts with distributing, or promoting their business' with said shirts afterwards. I'm also pretty sure they didn't ask Cam to autograph them to put in their store windows while thumbing their noses at their partner universities compliance department either.
I haven't seen a copy of said letter. And there were a few businesses down here that were doing it as well. It doesn't matter whether they asked the players or not whether they could display signed items or not. You said it yourself. Cut and dried. A business can't use a current player's name or image to promote a business. So, any website selling an item signed by a current player that is displaying an image of that item on their site would fit that model as well, correct?
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RWS, despite some Prowlie and Chop bullshit from time to time, it seems clear that this was an issue for the bammer compliance dept. Not sure why you can't see that.
I agree that it is an issue that the NCAA needs to at least take a look at. I'm all about that. Like I've said before, if Alabama is doing something wrong, I want it noted and stopped. If they are in the clear, I would like to know that as well.
Your second paragraph, though tongue in cheek by you, illustrates the thinking of a large portion of your fan-base. "Let's see if we can get Auburn hamstrung by the NCAA because we don't want to compete with them on the field at full strength." Buncha fucking entitled idiot fuck sticks that would rather be awarded a NC by default because the NCAA shut down the rest of the SEC than have to compete for it.
Agreed. However, the AU fanbase has some folks who feel the same way towards Alabama. I do admit that I see it much more from our fans than AU fans, though. Personally, I'm tired of the back and forth bullshit. It's ridiculous.
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I agree that it is an issue that the NCAA needs to at least take a look at. I'm all about that. Like I've said before, if Alabama is doing something wrong, I want it noted and stopped. If they are in the clear, I would like to know that as well.
Agreed. However, the AU fanbase has some folks who feel the same way towards Alabama. I do admit that I see it much more from our fans than AU fans, though. Personally, I'm tired of the back and forth bullshit. It's ridiculous.
It is ridiculous. And it's about 10:1 bammers vs AU fans. This BCS title, and Cam have so threatened a large portion of your fan base, it's literally driven them insane. "They cheated" is the mantra of losers. And if the bammers like that can't have the title taken away, they'll at least pollute the airwaves and internet with bullshit on a daily basis to make sure the rest of the nation that believes in rumors will think we cheated to get it. Fact is, I deal with bammers on a daily basis face to face. Not one motherfucking time has one had the nuts to walk in my office and talk about Auburn cheating, "Scam Newton", or anything of the sort. The majority are complimentary, fake though it may be, of Auburn and Cam. The net, and talk radio gives a voice to a segment of society that NOBODY pays a fucking bit of attention to when they're face to face with them, precisely because they're obviously such fucking morons. Bammer's fan base is littered with these cretins in far greater numbers than ANY OTHER fan base, and just like Paul Finebaum, the "average joe bama fan" sits idle while these fucking moron embarrass the program, and the state. In other words, they condone it by inaction. Same as the folks that wouldn't have poisoned the trees themselves, but freely admit they think it's funny that Updyke did it.
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No, you said it yourself. It's cut and dried. The situations I listed are exact instances of what you described.
I agree that there is/was a problem. To what extent, I don't know. I'm not the NCAA. However, I really don't think there will be anything that happens with this. If anything, NCAA will definitely have issues with him on the licensing front.
Generally, you would need to report something when you believe the situation might affect the eligibility of a player. Not sending the cease and desist might have warranted them reporting it. I do agree though, that they probably should have reported it regardless.
I haven't seen a copy of said letter. And there were a few businesses down here that were doing it as well. It doesn't matter whether they asked the players or not whether they could display signed items or not. You said it yourself. Cut and dried. A business can't use a current player's name or image to promote a business. So, any website selling an item signed by a current player that is displaying an image of that item on their site would fit that model as well, correct?
I fed the troll... My bad.
You're still a dumbass... and still don't get it.
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It is ridiculous. And it's about 10:1 bammers vs AU fans. This BCS title, and Cam have so threatened a large portion of your fan base, it's literally driven them insane. "They cheated" is the mantra of losers. And if the bammers like that can't have the title taken away, they'll at least pollute the airwaves and internet with bullshit on a daily basis to make sure the rest of the nation that believes in rumors will think we cheated to get it. Fact is, I deal with bammers on a daily basis face to face. Not one motherfucking time has one had the nuts to walk in my office and talk about Auburn cheating, "Scam Newton", or anything of the sort. The majority are complimentary, fake though it may be, of Auburn and Cam. The net, and talk radio gives a voice to a segment of society that NOBODY pays a fucking bit of attention to when they're face to face with them, precisely because they're obviously such fucking morons. Bammer's fan base is littered with these cretins in far greater numbers than ANY OTHER fan base, and just like Paul Finebaum, the "average joe bama fan" sits idle while these fucking moron embarrass the program, and the state. In other words, they condone it by inaction. Same as the folks that wouldn't have poisoned the trees themselves, but freely admit they think it's funny that Updyke did it.
I think where RWS's disconnect is happening here may be in the relationship with T-Town Menswear and the Alabama Athletic Department. There is an obvious relationship that is 100% legit. Problem is, he's a booster by definition because of that connection, and he's been busted (clearly and admittedly) selling player's memorabilia. He was asked to stop in December of 2010. In January of 2011, there are pictures of signed jerseys STILL in his store front window. Something Alabama clearly asked him not to do.
I'm not sure how this can be considered confusing to anyone other than those trying to strangle it down with spin.
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What's going to be an issue as well, are the pictures out now with Tom Al-Betar hosting Trent Richardson to dinner at a hibachi restaurant before the 2010 season.
(http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/8648/44544422315728385266785.jpg)
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Hilarious how the consensus on the radio, etc. is this "Guys, we've gone too far now. This rivalry's gotten out of control. Neither team is going to stop until the other is obliterated".
REALLY?!?
Fuck you.
Literally 10 months of desperate attempts to connect dots that aren't there. THS mentioned a good list of every wacky conspiracy theory they tried to nail Cam with, right up to our own "mensweargate". I LOVE the irony that that particular "investigation" is what backfired on them bigtime. About as sweet as the rivalry that Bama, including RWS in this thread, is pulling the "the player didn't know" card.
A constant stream of relentless attacks, PRAYING that Auburn's 2011 season will "not count", so their pain can be erased. And now, ONE allegation is levied, by an outsider from Tennessee, Clay Travis, and it's "Can't we all just get along?"
Well guess what, assholes, we may actually get to see that vacated championship you've been praying to Bear for afterall. Unfortunately for you, it will be from the year before.
You push for 10 months, and even our timid fanbase will finally fucking push back. And it was a haymaker. Or should be, if the media didn't desperately shuffle to cover up all things Alabama. Photographic, indisputable evidence is right there in front of your face. This shit is not based on unsubstantiated rumor or innuendo. Add to that the fact that you've been "staring down the barrel of the NCAA's gun" for 17 years, and it's a very real possibility they make you vacate wins from every year this shit was going on.
Objectively, this is worse than the Ohio State thing. The cover-up is there. This guy is clearly a booster. He absolutely was using these kids' names and likenesses to promote his business. Evidence exists that he was taking these kids out to dinner. Price tags on the merchandise being sold. The same items up for sale on another website, with its own "Alabama Crimson Tide" section, that has since been deleted. Paul Finebaum things he can augment reality, but even he can't cover this up eventually.
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What's going to be an issue as well, are the pictures out now with Tom Al-Betar hosting Trent Richardson to dinner at a hibachi restaurant before the 2010 season.
(http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/8648/44544422315728385266785.jpg)
The only issue there is if he paid for his own meal or not.
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The only issue there is if he paid for his own meal or not.
And what do you think. Seriously.
You think he paid for his own meal?
Why would this kid go out to dinner with the fucking 50something year old dude that owns the menswear store he was conveyer belting autographs for?
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If they are in the clear, I would like to know that as well.
Chizik's demand of the NCAA rep isn't so ridiculous?
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The only issue there is if he paid for his own meal or not.
You hope.
This is a stinky fish, RWS. What stinks even more is that Alabama's compliance didn't want to get the SEC or NCAA involved.
You're correct that these pictures are by no means incriminating. At most, secondary violations have been revealed through Mr. Albetar's incessant bragging of his relationship with Alabama football players.
But even you have to admit that Ole Tom's Wardrobe seems like a business snake who does just about anything to see sales go up. He's not exactly the character you want the NCAA to investigate.
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Paul Finebaum is so fucking obtuse, it's enraging.
He never seems to be able to "understand" any negative story about Alabama. He acts like the Clay Travis thing was written in brail. It just "makes absolutely no sense" to him.
He seems to be the only one with those comprehension issues.
He snarkly mentioned that Clay Travis was trying to "Pimp, oh excuse me, Promote" his new site and "No one in the national media has any idea who Clay Travis is". And all this is not even a "blip on the radar". "This was all generated on Auburn message boards."
As if all the Cam shit didn't originate on the scores of bama message boards, or more accurately "anti-Auburn" message boards.
Even if true, IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER where this shit originates, if there's clear photographic evidence that was posted on the culprit's fucking facebook page.
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Hilarious how the consensus on the radio, etc. is this "Guys, we've gone too far now. This rivalry's gotten out of control. Neither team is going to stop until the other is obliterated".
Oh, that's been a long time coming. Each fanbase has those like you, Prowler, and Kaos. Our fanbase is admittedly much more disproportionate, though. They can't stand to see a victory for the other side. They make real life decisions based on a football rivalry. They don't want things to be even. They want the other side wiped off of the face of the planet. Etc, etc. Those type of people on each side will cause this shit to keep going, whether real or imagined. Each side will up the ante every time.
Will this cause vacation of wins? I highly, HIGHLY doubt it. But really, I think your words are more rhetoric than anything. It's tit-for-tat. The purpose is to get back at those who made up things about Cam, and continue to perpetuate those imagined things as if they are truth. If you really do believe the things you said will happen, then more power to you. That's your opinion. As for me, I'll be happy to wait to see what a neutral party (i.e. the NCAA) says will happen.
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So UA didn't actually know that this dude was using UA and the football team for promotion huh???
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You hope.
This is a stinky fish, RWS. What stinks even more is that Alabama's compliance didn't want to get the SEC or NCAA involved.
You're correct that these pictures are by no means incriminating. At most, secondary violations have been revealed through Mr. Albetar's incessant bragging of his relationship with Alabama football players.
But even you have to admit that Ole Tom's Wardrobe seems like a business snake who does just about anything to see sales go up. He's not exactly the character you want the NCAA to investigate.
There were some things about the Cam Newton scandal that, on face value, were stinky as well to the casual message board reader. Fortunately, the NCAA decides what is true and what isn't, and not rival fans on message boards. Otherwise, we would both be looking for a different team to cheer for.
My personal opinion? I wish the university would tell players to stay outside of a 10 mile radius from his store. Whether something illegal is happening or not, his actions certainly draw attention.
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What's going to be an issue as well, are the pictures out now with Tom Al-Betar hosting Trent Richardson to dinner at a hibachi restaurant before the 2010 season.
(http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/8648/44544422315728385266785.jpg)
Actually I would like to know the connection with the cops. Da po-po seem to show up in a lot of pictures.
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So UA didn't actually know that this dude was using UA and the football team for promotion huh???
I think we have already established that players regularly sign autographs at the mall in front of his store. I don't think anybody has said "Nobody from UA even knows who this guy or this company is".
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Actually I would like to know the connection with the cops. Da po-po seem to show up in a lot of pictures.
Keep it down home cuz.
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Oh, that's been a long time coming. Each fanbase has those like you, Prowler, and Kaos. Our fanbase is admittedly much more disproportionate, though. They can't stand to see a victory for the other side. They make real life decisions based on a football rivalry. They don't want things to be even. They want the other side wiped off of the face of the planet. Etc, etc. Those type of people on each side will cause this shit to keep going, whether real or imagined. Each side will up the ante every time.
Will this cause vacation of wins? I highly, HIGHLY doubt it. But really, I think your words are more rhetoric than anything. It's tit-for-tat. The purpose is to get back at those who made up things about Cam, and continue to perpetuate those imagined things as if they are truth. If you really do believe the things you said will happen, then more power to you. That's your opinion. As for me, I'll be happy to wait to see what a neutral party (i.e. the NCAA) says will happen.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v164/Don3172/missed_the_point.jpg)
10 months of digging for Cam Newton and wild assed speculation isn't too far. 24 hours of photographic evidence to criminalize T-Town's Menswear is suddenly too far. Starting NOW, it's too far.
And by the way?
Each fanbase has those like you, Prowler, and Kaos.
Fuck you.
Actually I would like to know the connection with the cops. Da po-po seem to show up in a lot of pictures.
I would say it was RWS, but we all know he doesn't know where Tuscaloosa is.
These are the guys on Saban's payroll who put an end to arrests on The Strip.
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Paul Finebaum is so fucking obtuse, it's enraging.
He never seems to be able to "understand" any negative story about Alabama. He acts like the Clay Travis thing was written in brail. It just "makes absolutely no sense" to him.
He seems to be the only one with those comprehension issues.
He snarkly mentioned that Clay Travis was trying to "Pimp, oh excuse me, Promote" his new site and "No one in the national media has any idea who Clay Travis is". And all this is not even a "blip on the radar". "This was all generated on Auburn message boards."
As if all the Cam shit didn't originate on the scores of bama message boards, or more accurately "anti-Auburn" message boards.
Even if true, IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER where this shit originates, if there's clear photographic evidence that was posted on the culprit's fucking facebook page.
About Clay Travis...
It's funny that Finebaum gave him (along with Sheridan) free reign on the first day of SEC Media Days. Had him on to pontificate on all things that could, probably could and might happen if and whatever for about an hour. Now? Just a dude "pimping" his site.
Fuck that guy. Amazing.
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And what do you think. Seriously.
You think he paid for his own meal?
Why would this kid go out to dinner with the fucking 50something year old dude that owns the menswear store he was conveyer belting autographs for?
The fact he's even out WITH the known booster is an issue worth looking at. He's sandwiched between Al-Betar and his son that's in several photos as well from the store (closest to camera).
I'm sure the Alabama Compliance office could clear this in about .05 seconds compared to the much heftier things they've investigated in record time this year so far. Right?
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About Clay Travis...
It's funny that Finebaum gave him (along with Sheridan) free reign on the first day of SEC Media Days. Had him on to pontificate on all things that could, probably could and might happen if and whatever for about an hour. Now? Just a dude "pimping" his site.
Fuck that guy. Amazing.
He had Sheridan on to drop his lie, uh bomb, so that all the questions the next day for Chizik were about the NCAA and "the ongoing investigation", not football, and thus allowing Finebaum to giggle about how nobody wants to know anything football related from the reigning national champions, only about the NCAA with all his idiotic callers.
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About Clay Travis...
It's funny that Finebaum gave him (along with Sheridan) free reign on the first day of SEC Media Days. Had him on to pontificate on all things that could, probably could and might happen if and whatever for about an hour. Now? Just a dude "pimping" his site.
Fuck that guy. Amazing.
Yes. He spent all of Media Days talking about how credible a source Danny fucking Sheridan, a Vegas oddsmaker is.
Clay Travis kicking off his website with an anti-Cam story was maybe the best thing for this story. Every bammer on twitter, and Finebaum himself thought this site was great 24 hours earlier.
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Seeing tweets about JOX playing a radio ad from 2010 referring to a "memorabilia expo in front of T-Town Menswear". Umm... So, these players going to sign all these multiple jerseys, helmets and things didn't know they were signing items that were helping a booster promote his business? MMkay...
Not good. :popcorn:
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Seeing tweets about JOX playing a radio ad from 2010 referring to a "memorabilia expo in front of T-Town Menswear". Umm... So, these players going to sign all these multiple jerseys, helmets and things didn't know they were signing items that were helping a booster promote his business? MMkay...
Not good. :popcorn:
I've never liked this "get the other program in a pickle with the NCAA" but I would fucking laugh my ass off if they had to vacate their 2009 title. You think Auburn winning it sent them in to a tizzy...they'd fucking come unglued if that happened.
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I've never liked this "get the other program in a pickle with the NCAA" but I would fucking laugh my ass off if they had to vacate their 2009 title. You think Auburn winning it sent them in to a tizzy...they'd fucking come unglued if that happened.
Not a booster...in the box... about to get a kiss perhaps from a Bammuh legend... Right?
(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s139/TwistedMom007/tanamath.jpg)
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Guess what Facebook page has been taken down from the interwebs today?
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Seeing tweets about JOX playing a radio ad from 2010 referring to a "memorabilia expo in front of T-Town Menswear". Umm... So, these players going to sign all these multiple jerseys, helmets and things didn't know they were signing items that were helping a booster promote his business? MMkay...
Not good. :popcorn:
Like I said earlier, when you advertise an autograph signing, how are you supposed to advertise it? "On one day this month, some players from some team will be signing autographs somewhere in the United States......if you can find it, come see who is signing things!" At what point is it an advertisement for the autograph signing itself, or an advertisement for the business? Can a company (or companies) that organized it put their name along with it?
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Like I said earlier, when you advertise an autograph signing, how are you supposed to advertise it? "On one day this month, some players from some team will be signing autographs somewhere in the United States......if you can find it, come see who is signing things!" At what point is it an advertisement for the autograph signing itself, or an advertisement for the business? Can a company (or companies) that organized it put their name along with it?
You're a dumb ass...
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Like I said earlier, when you advertise an autograph signing, how are you supposed to advertise it? "On one day this month, some players from some team will be signing autographs somewhere in the United States......if you can find it, come see who is signing things!" At what point is it an advertisement for the autograph signing itself, or an advertisement for the business? Can a company (or companies) that organized it put their name along with it?
If this was Auburn players, and an Auburn booster...Finebaum would be running it in the ground for 2 weeks, callers talking about a new investigation, "Awbren's a cheatin' paaaawwwl". Since it's bammers, he doesn't understand it, and it gets little play. I say call the NCAA and bombard their email with this shit!
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Not a booster...in the box... about to get a kiss perhaps from a Bammuh legend... Right?
(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s139/TwistedMom007/tanamath.jpg)
It doesn't matter whether he is an Alabama booster or not. The biggest thing you have to look out for as far as boosters go, is their relationship with a prospective student athlete. Once they are a student athlete, you can pretty much hang out with them every day if you wanted to. Go to dinner with them anytime you wanted to. Go on vacation with them if you wanted to. A booster simply cannot provide a current student athlete with gifts, money, transportation, or entertainment. Of course, if you went on vacation with a booster, of course that would be pretty suspicious. However, if you provided every receipt to where you paid for your part of the trip, the NCAA wouldn't give a shit. There is no rule saying TR can't eat some hibachi with dumbfuck booster. TR just has to pay his own way.
I don't think anybody has denied that this guy knows Alabama football, and Alabama football knows of him.
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Like I said earlier, when you advertise an autograph signing, how are you supposed to advertise it? "On one day this month, some players from some team will be signing autographs somewhere in the United States......if you can find it, come see who is signing things!" At what point is it an advertisement for the autograph signing itself, or an advertisement for the business? Can a company (or companies) that organized it put their name along with it?
Good lord. Seriously? Tom Al-Betar's business is advertising a memorabilia expo in front of his store involving signed items from players, that are normally displayed prominantly in his store windows. Are you seriously trying to argue that he's successfully separating his business from an autograph signing....at his business? You're trying to argue that he has no interest in promoting T-Town Menswear? If that's the case, RWS, why did he pick "in front of his store". Why not have it at your house? Why not in a different spot in the same mall? Why not at Bryant-Denny?
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It doesn't matter whether he is an Alabama booster or not. The biggest thing you have to look out for as far as boosters go, is their relationship with a prospective student athlete. Once they are a student athlete, you can pretty much hang out with them every day if you wanted to. Go to dinner with them anytime you wanted to. Go on vacation with them if you wanted to. A booster simply cannot provide a current student athlete with gifts, money, transportation, or entertainment. Of course, if you went on vacation with a booster, of course that would be pretty suspicious. However, if you provided every receipt to where you paid for your part of the trip, the NCAA wouldn't give a shit. There is no rule saying TR can't eat some hibachi with dumbfuck booster. TR just has to pay his own way.
I don't think anybody has denied that this guy knows Alabama football, and Alabama football knows of him.
Lollerskates.
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Lollerskates.
Show me where I'm wrong. I will gladly be mistaken if I'm incorrect.
http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/D110.pdf
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Once they are a student athlete, you can pretty much hang out with them every day if you wanted to. Go to dinner with them anytime you wanted to. Go on vacation with them if you wanted to. A booster simply cannot provide a current student athlete with gifts, money, transportation, or entertainment. Of course, if you went on vacation with a booster, of course that would be pretty suspicious. However, if you provided every receipt to where you paid for your part of the trip, the NCAA wouldn't give a shit. There is no rule saying TR can't eat some hibachi with dumbfuck booster. TR just has to pay his own way.
I've said it before.
There are only three valid reasons a 50 something year old white guy would be hanging out with a 20 something year old football player.
1) He's buying drugs from the football player
2) He's paying the guy to play football
3) Gay Sex
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Good lord. Seriously? Tom Al-Betar's business is advertising a memorabilia expo in front of his store involving signed items from players, that are normally displayed prominantly in his store windows. Are you seriously trying to argue that he's successfully separating his business from an autograph signing....at his business? You're trying to argue that he has no interest in promoting T-Town Menswear? If that's the case, RWS, why did he pick "in front of his store". Why not have it at your house? Why not in a different spot in the same mall? Why not at Bryant-Denny?
Ok, so how do you suggest an autograph signing by football players be advertised? No matter where the location is, you have to mention the location. As far as rules go, I don't think there is anything regulating whether or not it can be in front of a particular business or not. If you hold it in front of Payless Shoes, then is Payless Shoes using them as advertisement and promotion for their business? Since it is inside the mall, then is the mall itself considered promoting it's own business? I mean, where does it end?
I'm sure he wants to promote his business. Who doesn't? I think everything will come down to interpretation by the NCAA.
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http://outkickthecoverage.com/owner-of-t-town-menswear-had-alabama-sideline-passes-in-2009-and-2010.php
Too many pictures, just do the link.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0q9pkS_qYI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-dEJBlas6o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhVmhZ07fsQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ufFdZel95w
And last, but not least...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYMApBsQsAQ
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0q9pkS_qYI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-dEJBlas6o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhVmhZ07fsQ
And last, but not least...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYMApBsQsAQ
All of those players have already played their last game of their college eligibility. I'm not sure what the point is?
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Another good one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBf3GeHmI6w
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All of those players have already played their last game of their college eligibility. I'm not sure what the point is?
Only you and Finebaum are having these comprehension issues...
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Another good one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBf3GeHmI6w
I'm sure that was only the previous years' Seniors.
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RWS, you're trying to say you're right based on a flimsy assumption on your part. I think that the evidence to the issues at hand FAR outweigh my need to sit here and go 5 page rounds with you.
Chizad just knocked your dick in the dirt anyway on the "promoting his business" aspect. If you don't get where the issue is, there's nothing we can do or say that's worth arguing with you about.
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The hits keep coming... (http://outkickthecoverage.com/julio-jones-the-man-of-many-suits.php)
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The hits keep coming... (http://outkickthecoverage.com/julio-jones-the-man-of-many-suits.php)
:bammer: :move:
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Julio got those suits from the thrift store. Some guy named Tom dropped them off about five minutes before he walked in.
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The hits keep coming... (http://outkickthecoverage.com/julio-jones-the-man-of-many-suits.php)
Beginning to think that Clay's initial Cam piece was simply a set up to get bammers talking about his blog, and calling it credible, just so he can do this to them and watch them claim he's a hack now.
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Beginning to think that Clay's initial Cam piece was simply a set up to get bammers talking about his blog, and calling it credible, just so he can do this to them and watch them claim he's a hack now.
The thing about it..and this applies to Finebaum too.
I don't give a fuck if he is a hack. If this was his first introduction to the media. I don't give a fuck if Prowler just set up this blog yesterday. Or Charles from Reeltown.
This is what you call evidence. You can't dispute this stuff. This is not some he-said-she-said super duper secret sources who have other sources which can't be named.
This is right out in the open.
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It could be that the University of Alabama has an arrangement with T-Town Menswear to dress their players for travel. That would be okay... I guess. However, if THAT is true, it makes Tom Al-Betar a no-doubter booster as a contractor with the university. This gets real shitty at that point. All this takes a serious turn for Alabama that would HAVE to be looked into. They don't want the NCAA around while on probation.
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The thing about it..and this applies to Finebaum too.
I don't give a fuck if he is a hack. If this was his first introduction to the media. I don't give a fuck if Prowler just set up this blog yesterday. Or Charles from Reeltown.
This is what you call evidence. You can't dispute this stuff. This is not some he-said-she-said super duper secret sources who have other sources which can't be named.
This is right out in the open.
So, like the bammers who substitute the phrase "I just know" for "I desperately want to believe"...
"You just know" that Julio came by all those suits in such a way as to violate NCAA rules, and he should be retroactively declared ineligible, the 2009 Trophies returned, and the Ws wiped off the record books.
Hammer's a comin' for bammer.
It could be that the University of Alabama has an arrangement with T-Town Menswear to dress their players for travel. That would be okay... I guess. However, if THAT is true, it makes Tom Al-Betar a no-doubter booster as a contractor with the university. This gets real shitty at that point. All this takes a serious turn for Alabama that would HAVE to be looked into. They don't want the NCAA around while on probation.
Would it be ok? Is it ok to give them a new suit for EACH game? I highly doubt it. Giving them matching team gear for the season? Sure. But a new suit for each game? No fucking way.
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RWS, you're trying to say you're right based on a flimsy assumption on your part. I think that the evidence to the issues at hand FAR outweigh my need to sit here and go 5 page rounds with you.
Chizad just knocked your dick in the dirt anyway on the "promoting his business" aspect. If you don't get where the issue is, there's nothing we can do or say that's worth arguing with you about.
No, I've simply asked you, how is the autograph signing supposed to be promoted? Is there an NCAA rule saying an autograph signing can't be held in front of particular stores? By naming where the autograph signing is taking place, regardless of location, is that considered a promotion of where it is taking place? Inside a mall, does that mean it is promoting just the location that it is taking place in front of, the mall itself, etc? No need to go 5 pages with me. Those are outright questions I am asking you. The problem is, it just isn't as black and white as you want it to be.
Chizad hasn't knocked my dick in the dirt with anything. He put up a bunch of video of players who no longer have eligibility being featured in commercials. Oh, and the senior day video? When they show the picture of Arenas, the background is a 2010 National Champions background. It even mentions they are national champions. That's a pretty good indicator that the autograph signing was being held AFTER the NC. Players who have played their last game in college can do whatever the fuck they want. Perfectly legal. Sure, those videos are showing that he would like to promote his store and attach Alabama players to it. But the fact is, every one of those videos is legal as far as NCAA is concerned because those players had played their last game.
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Would it be ok? Is it ok to give them a new suit for EACH game? I highly doubt it. Giving them matching team gear for the season? Sure. But a new suit for each game? No fucking way.
I don't even know how that works, but would like to know.
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It could be that the University of Alabama has an arrangement with T-Town Menswear to dress their players for travel. That would be okay... I guess.
Nope. The athletic program can not provide any type of clothing that does not have to do with the sporting event. Anything outside of a jersey, workout cloths, etc...is not allowed...
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The hits keep coming... (http://outkickthecoverage.com/julio-jones-the-man-of-many-suits.php)
That Clay Travis is such a racist.
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Of course you know what's coming this afternoon at 2. A bunch of personal attacks on Clay Travis, and bammers calling in saying they've got pics of Cam in 28 different suits, one at Tiger Walk before each game, and a different suit after each game. AND, it will be solid proof the hammer is coming, and they're all clean.
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I get it. You all want me to stop posting. Thats fine I will, But before I do know this. Most of you are some of the bigest dicks I have ever met as far as Auburn fans go. One would think that a fellow AU fan could at least ask questions, but apparently thats too much to ask. I can tell you all pretty much just like playing with yourselves. Have fun with your lil circle jerk you have going on.
Was a joke, we screw with everyone. Don't take shit personal.
If you can't handle it, maybe you should go to one of the PG forums where everyone has the same opinion on everything. If you choose to use a word like cockshit, they will treat you like a child and ban you with their mighty e-penis. That's a much larger circle jerk if you ask me.
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Of course you know what's coming this afternoon at 2. A bunch of personal attacks on Clay Travis, and bammers calling in saying they've got pics of Cam in 28 different suits, one at Tiger Walk before each game, and a different suit after each game. AND, it will be solid proof the hammer is coming, and they're all clean.
Just for the record, when people start going through pics of different Tiger Walk, post game events, etc, how many different suits is an OK number, and at what number is it automatically an NCAA violation? Is that number different for different players? Just curious as to what the ground rules are.
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Just for the record, when people start going through pics of different Tiger Walk, post game events, etc, how many different suits is an OK number, and at what number is it automatically an NCAA violation? Is that number different for different players? Just curious as to what the ground rules are.
I know you're joking, but I'm pretty sure that the majority of the players wore underarmour pullovers during tigerwalk.
Provided by the "Tiger of a bookstore" guy. Quote me. Send that shit to the NCAA. HAMMER!
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Just for the record, when people start going through pics of different Tiger Walk, post game events, etc, how many different suits is an OK number, and at what number is it automatically an NCAA violation? Is that number different for different players? Just curious as to what the ground rules are.
The ground rules are: "This fuckin' shit is fixin' to get real, and the bammers who are so chummy with the NCAA, will suddenly be fucking whining and bitching about their presence in Tuskaloser".
I shit you not, I will laugh my ass off if they get hit with sanctions over this and have to vacate a BCS Title. BTW, I don't think that's going to happen, but it would be fucking just, completely deserved, and the right thing if it did!
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Just for the record, when people start going through pics of different Tiger Walk, post game events, etc, how many different suits is an OK number, and at what number is it automatically an NCAA violation? Is that number different for different players? Just curious as to what the ground rules are.
I think they were all in a pair of sweats.
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I know you're joking, but I'm pretty sure that the majority of the players wore underarmour pullovers during tigerwalk.
Provided by the "Tiger of a bookstore" guy. Quote me. Send that shit to the NCAA. HAMMER!
This. I could be wrong but I don't recall going to any Tiger Walk where the players wore suits. Just warm ups. But then, I only go to about one TW a year. It cuts into pregame drinking time.
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Nope. The athletic program can not provide any type of clothing that does not have to do with the sporting event. Anything outside of a jersey, workout cloths, etc...is not allowed...
I was kinda hoping RWS would have said this....
It's a wormhole opened by all the TR stuff...
As far as RWS not getting the issue with a booster selling a university's player's items after a cease-and-desist letter? I can't help him. He isn't going to see the problem with that. ...even though the University of Alabama did and told him to quit, RWS sees no issue.
Let me try this one more time... I'll make this simple...
1. Tom Al-Betar is a booster. There is ZERO chance of him being identified otherwise.
2. He uses Alabama football to promote his business. (at minimum)
3. He was told by The University of Alabama to stop doing so. He ignored it as clearly identified in January 2011 pics where current player jerseys are STILL seen in store window AFTER the cease-and-desist letter (which doesn't even mention the window jerseys, it had more to do with the kiosk selling the signed jerseys outside the store).
4. Trent Richardson is seen out to dinner with this known booster alone. Could he have paid for the meal himself? Certainly. However, it's in these times where that burden is now placed on them to prove it went down right.
Those are the clear issues.
The deeper and potentially larger issues are POSSIBLY...
1. As a program in their 17th year of probation, Alabama should have reported this issue to the NCAA and SEC. They say they didn't see a violation or indication that the player involved benefited, but it was very clear already that T-Town Menswear had a print ad with Maze in it (current player) and was using jersey's of current players (Nico Johnson, McCarron and Richardson) in his store windows to draw attention to his store. That's called promoting his business.
Now, you can say that Trent Richardson didn't benefit, but at minimum, he was familiar enough with the practice of this store, over the course of at least a few years, to display items in their store to promote itself and their relationship with Alabama football. The likelihood of TR NOT knowing what his jerseys were being used for, is very small. Did he think they were being sold? Maybe not, but it's clear that a kiosk owned by Al-Betar was selling those jerseys and had to be shut down.
2. The suit situation. How do these players all afford tailor-made suits? Especially a new one for every game? If the University can not provide them, how do these players afford the suits? It's a fair question considering the source of the suits, the memorabilia signings and sales. Especially in the wake of Ohio State.
Now, if you don't think there are reasonable, deep questions to be asked, you're just being a giant fucking douchebag with black hole type blinders on, let alone crimson lenses.
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This. I could be wrong but I don't recall going to any Tiger Walk where the players wore suits. Just warm ups. But then, I only go to about one TW a year. It cuts into pregame drinking time.
That's why one should always carry their bottle of refreshment to the TW.
Multi-task, bitch.
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First of all, this shit does not look good for bama, on the surface anyway. Secondly, I'm seriously ready for some football. There is clearly too much void in our lives.
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So now we have someone else in our corner besides Phillip Marshall and Greg Doyel. Excellent.
I think Travis is a UT guy so he is loving this on a personal level on the side.
Burn Bama, burn. :haha:
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Just for the record, when people start going through pics of different Tiger Walk, post game events, etc, how many different suits is an OK number, and at what number is it automatically an NCAA violation? Is that number different for different players? Just curious as to what the ground rules are.
Hmmm...Maybe one. The players don't wear suits. They wear the athletic supplied shirts and warm-ups.
(http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/84/847148.jpg)
(http://www2.oanow.com/mgmedia/image/294/0/176396/newton-presser/)
BTW, I couldn't find a picture of "ETC"...
When Alabama copied Auburn's tradition, Alabama had to do something to make it unique. I guess they thought of using the name "Champion" and giving everyone business suits to wear...
Nice try though dumb ass...
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Real or not I want to know why Joe Schad isn't blowing up his Twitter feed with live updates from ground zero on this?
I don't think Clay Travis can get this anywhere. In fact, I think he's doing this to drive traffic up on the site. Nothing increases traffic like claiming to know something about the Pachyderms. It drives them into a frothy frenzy when someone dares to challenge The Tahd.
I am ready for the season to start. This TMZ stuff has gone on too long this off season.
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That's why one should always carry their bottle of refreshment to the TW.
Multi-task, bitch.
Only late in the season when the weather cools off. When it's the first half of the season and 117 in the shade, my ample sized ass ain't walkin' all over campus to see the top of the player's heads from 50 yards away.
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I wonder if there was something of value placed inside the lapel pockets of these Custom Tailored suits?
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Only late in the season when the weather cools off. When it's the first half of the season and 117 in the shade, my ample sized ass ain't walkin' all over campus to see the top of the player's heads from 50 yards away.
Customer.
I wonder if there was something of value placed inside the lapel pockets of these Custom Tailored suits?
Most assuredly.
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Customer.
Most assuredly.
Why do you hate Circus Boys?
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More suits for Julio (http://bustedcoverage.com/2011/07/25/julio-jones-possibly-owned-10-tailored-suits-in-college-photos/)
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More suits for Julio (http://bustedcoverage.com/2011/07/25/julio-jones-possibly-owned-10-tailored-suits-in-college-photos/)
You and chop are in rare form today. I like it. As kaos said back in the winter, its war bitches. Has been.
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More suits for Julio (http://bustedcoverage.com/2011/07/25/julio-jones-possibly-owned-10-tailored-suits-in-college-photos/)
Looked like the arms were too short on one of those suits.
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Just a note...
When Julio appeared in court prior to getting on campus at Alabama, he wore a hooded sweatshirt to a court appearance. Since he's been at Bama, dude is dressed to the nines to do nothing but walk from a bus to a locker room. Wingtips and all.
Julio knows how to spend that cash.
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Looked like the arms were too short on one of those suits.
His head is out of proportion to his body if anything.
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Clay Travis via Twitter:
Multiple death threats rolling in now from Alabama fans. Not kidding. To their credit never got one from Auburn fans
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Clay Travis via Twitter:
With all due respect to the red sox and eagles, bammers have to be sports worst fans. No one fanbase is this obsessed AND insecure personally. Barnhart summed it up best - its a culture war played out on a football field. A normal culture vs an inbred culture.
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His head is out of proportion to his body if anything.
Werd. Looks like the Predator or some dinosaur or something.
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Where the fuck is Joe Schad? And for that matter SportsByBrooks?
They both wrote this off about 30 seconds into it. I guess they have to stick to their story. Wouldn't want to look like colossal dipshits for rushing to judgement before all of the details had even come out.
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The latest? Time to see how prior Alabama Cease-and-disist letters are addressed. The letter Alabama has offered up was addressed to nobody. "To whom it may concern" with no other address.
(http://outkickthecoverage.com/tyfoon/site/fckeditor/image/cease%20and%20desist%20letter.png)
Do most legal documents go out without offering the slightest specifics of the addressee? Also, it makes no mention of the windows.
Someone threw out a kiosk marking with blue pen... well... that must be official... right? THIS is what Alabama compliance says proves Tom Al-Betar was warned?? Pfffft....
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Where the fuck is Joe Schad? And for that matter SportsByBrooks?
They both wrote this off about 30 seconds into it. I guessu they have to stick to their story. Wouldn't want to look like colossal dipshits for rushing to judgement before all of the details had even come out.
Pride, egg on face - those words would describe why.
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National media giving the story a little play...
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/sec/2011-07-25-alabama-cease-and-desist-letter_n.htm#uslPageReturn (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/sec/2011-07-25-alabama-cease-and-desist-letter_n.htm#uslPageReturn)
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Two things. We can all speculate that shenanigans are afoot with all the pics of this guy and his involvement with so many players. I personally don't get into worrying about that stuff and as publicized as this has become, I imagine it'll come out in the wash if illegal benefits are being passed to the playas. As for the cease and cut that shit out letter, it has little or no bearing on the proverbial hammer dropping on the Tahd. First, it's like a copyright/trademark infringement and they're simply saying you can't use our shit or our players likeness etc. to promote your product or make money. The letter says that it could affect the players eligibility unless the university takes steps to stop it. Here, they are taking steps to stop it. As long as they stay on the guy, there won't be any problems with player eligibility.
I will say, they'd better worry less about memorabilia and more about why so many players are chummy with a dirty old man who obviously gets wood by feeling like a big dog.
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5 min. in fbomb hasnt mentioned it.
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All I know is that if I were a bama fan I would want to know what the hell folks like these have going on with players.
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d58/saniflush/pedosuits.jpg)
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d58/saniflush/pedobamacopy.jpg)
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All I know is that if I were a bama fan I would want to know what the hell folks like these have going on with players.
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d58/saniflush/pedosuits.jpg)
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d58/saniflush/pedobamacopy.jpg)
One of them is #1 and the other is #2. And TR is a big fat zero.
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5 min. in fbomb hasnt mentioned it.
He did take his shot at Marshall though. A little slap at Chizik or at least I thought so. I can't stand listening to him, but will see if this gets a mention in the next little bit.
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Seriously? Nothing?
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Seriously? Nothing?
Some caller is on right now and Paul is dimissing it as nothing but AU message board rumor mongering and that it was spoonfed to Travis and blah, blah, blah......He's not going to touch it.
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Some caller is on right now and Paul is dimissing it as nothing but AU message board rumor mongering and that it was spoonfed to Travis and blah, blah, blah......He's not going to touch it.
Like I've said, I don't get into this kind of stuff....but damn.....in all of the 18 months since the Cam thing came to light, not ONE solitary piece of evidence on any wrongdoing on Auburn's part has surfaced. Not one. But, Auburn is known around the college football world as the kingpins of cheating....based on....?
But, something like this comes out with scores of photos to back it up and it's nothing but Auburn message board rumor mongering? I dare say Paawwwl fears the wrath of Lord Saybinz if he decides to turn his minions loose on this story.
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Like I've said, I don't get into this kind of stuff....but damn.....in all of the 18 months since the Cam thing came to light, not ONE solitary piece of evidence on any wrongdoing on Auburn's part has surfaced. Not one. But, Auburn is known around the college football world as the kingpins of cheating....based on....?
But, something like this comes out with scores of photos to back it up and it's nothing but Auburn message board rumor mongering? I dare say Paawwwl fears the wrath of Lord Saybinz if he decides to turn his minions loose on this story.
I have turned it off. I can't listen to it anymore without getting angry. I think it's clear what his agenda is after the B'ham Southern incident.
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All I know is that if I were a bama fan I would want to know what the hell folks like these have going on with players.
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d58/saniflush/pedosuits.jpg)
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d58/saniflush/pedobamacopy.jpg)
(http://files.sharenator.com/memes_pedobear_kids_are_for_sex_not_murder_Memebase_66-s500x774-203704-580.jpg)
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From his myspace page:
http://www.myspace.com/tomh293/photos
(http://a1.l3-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/14/8862c646c5914ca89cdc80286a76063a/l.jpg)
So he's buddy-buddy with Julio. Parties with him. And lots of drunk underaged girls.
Finebaum had no problem floating all of the unsubstantiated rumors that Trooper Taylor was getting recruits laid. Even letting individual Tigerettes get their names drug through the mud.
Is Al supplying alcohol to minors and getting players laid? There's certainly more evidence to support that than there ever was about Trooper or the Tigerettes...
(http://a2.l3-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/30/d773c499ded6a3bd31cba642b0eb3d9f/l.jpg)
(http://a2.l3-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/64/04db6a5bd812f6e555cab775aea3e5e2/l.jpg)
(http://a4.l3-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/6/441f7e45000515c3f74de3f7d59c2fa3/l.jpg)
(http://a2.l3-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/5/0189ad0b56591c2ef6761d60020b06a1/l.jpg)
It's clear he at least thinks he's a pimp.
(http://a2.l3-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/22/7b6b37161964fe2b43e62fa977460af3/l.jpg)
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Good Lord, man. Nothing to see here. Move along. Just a Bama booster at some random party...with random drunk whores....and random players....or something. Like I said...nothing to see here.
You all just move along.
On another note, did you hear about Gene Chizik asking that NCAA lady when the investigation will end? Yep, he's definitely fearing the hammer.
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Myspace link correction:
http://www.myspace.com/tomh293/photos
The other was for the mobile version which doesn't work on regular browsers.
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The link so nice, you gotta' click it twice.
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The only way this doesn't turn ugly is if the NCAA says fuck it, and doesn't investigate. Because if they get in, even just a little, they are going to find a lot of shit. I mean, this guy apparently believes he's the Godfather. Who really believes that this pompous asshole isn't handing out extra benefits? Not me. Not you. And probably not the NCAA.
I'm hoping they just say to hell with it. Otherwise..... :facepalm:
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The only way this doesn't turn ugly is if the NCAA says fuck it, and doesn't investigate. Because if they get in, even just a little, they are going to find a lot of shit. I mean, this guy apparently believes he's the Godfather. Who really believes that this pompous asshole isn't handing out extra benefits? Not me. Not you. And probably not the NCAA.
I'm hoping they just say to hell with it. Otherwise..... :facepalm:
What the fuck dude??? I want to know if you are truly this logical, or if you are fucking with us? That might be the most honest take I have seen.
And to be honest, the shit goes down everywhere. If this shit had come out against Auburn, I would be all like :cage:
But since all that ever came out about Cam was rumors about $200,000, I was like :bugs:
This shit may happen. Handing someone $200,000 and being able to hide it after everyone and their mom is looking for it, not so much...
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The only way this doesn't turn ugly is if the NCAA says fuck it, and doesn't investigate. Because if they get in, even just a little, they are going to find a lot of shit. I mean, this guy apparently believes he's the Godfather. Who really believes that this pompous asshole isn't handing out extra benefits? Not me. Not you. And probably not the NCAA.
I'm hoping they just say to hell with it. Otherwise..... :facepalm:
I don't know but, maybe just maybe, I am sensing a bit of ....... oh, I don't know ........ sarcasm.
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I don't know but, maybe just maybe, I am sensing a bit of ....... oh, I don't know ........ sarcasm.
I may be giving him too much credit, but I don't think so.
Meanwhile, Finebaum has squashed everyone that tried to bring this up.
Is still bashing Cam today.
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I may be giving him too much credit, but I don't think so.
Meanwhile, Finebaum has squashed everyone that tried to bring this up.
Is still bashing Cam today.
You can never trust a man with a turban on.
Meanwhile, Fbomb likes stinky sphincter.
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This shit may happen. Handing someone $200,000 and being able to hide it after everyone and their mom is looking for it, not so much...
You OBVIOUSLY didn't hear what Reverend Sheridan had to say about the matter.
They have found the $200k. They found the hiding spot. They found it all.
All they need is the bagman who was between Cecil and the wealthy booster associated with Auburn to come forward and admit it.
But if he doesn't, the entire case will be dropped.
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No sarcasm. When Saban as hired, I was fine with all the backlash he received and the numerous comments made that he would leave in 3 or 4 years. It didn't bother me. I am fine with his assholish attitude to an extent (sometimes coach speak is enough, no need to mention Pearl Harbor). I was ok with all of that because Alabama does have a booster problem, and it's been apparent for a long, long time. But I knew that it would take someone like Saban being a total dick to put a stop to a lot of the bullshit. My grandfather has had the hookup since the late 70's. Not a major player by any means, but gave enough money to have some privileges. A lot of the information and accessibility has been shut off to a lot of people (some bad people) since Saban took the reigns. Allegedly, it was the only way he'd take the job. UA NEEDED someone like him to help clean a lot of the bullshit up. If this turns out to be as bad as it appears, I'm going to be super pissed.
I refuse to believe a coach as detailed and controlling as Saban is could let something like this go on without having knowledge of it. I know that Saban does a lot of shit that he shouldn't, bump rules, etc etc, but I don't believe he is guilty of the major stuff like paying players or giving kitchens. I believe he's too arrogant of person to do things the easy way. I believe he's too arrogant to give into the games of kids who haven't proven shit out of high school. But if this shit winds up bad, like the way it's looking? I'm going to have doubts. Because he is too controlling to not know this was going on. Which means he knew about it, and didn't stop it.
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I expect nothing will come of this and it will barely be mentioned as Alabama plays on CBS nearly every weekend.
If it were Auburn, they'd devote ESPNU to the "Countdown to the Hammer"; it is just the way it is.
I take solace in the hope that Auburn will beat Alabama in November.
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If it were Auburn, they'd devote ESPNU to the "Countdown to the Hammer"; it is just the way it is.
Was that last Friday or this Friday, I forget.
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No sarcasm. When Saban as hired, I was fine with all the backlash he received and the numerous comments made that he would leave in 3 or 4 years. It didn't bother me. I am fine with his assholish attitude to an extent (sometimes coach speak is enough, no need to mention Pearl Harbor). I was ok with all of that because Alabama does have a booster problem, and it's been apparent for a long, long time. But I knew that it would take someone like Saban being a total dick to put a stop to a lot of the bullshit. My grandfather has had the hookup since the late 70's. Not a major player by any means, but gave enough money to have some privileges. A lot of the information and accessibility has been shut off to a lot of people (some bad people) since Saban took the reigns. Allegedly, it was the only way he'd take the job. UA NEEDED someone like him to help clean a lot of the bullshit up. If this turns out to be as bad as it appears, I'm going to be super pissed.
I refuse to believe a coach as detailed and controlling as Saban is could let something like this go on without having knowledge of it. I know that Saban does a lot of shit that he shouldn't, bump rules, etc etc, but I don't believe he is guilty of the major stuff like paying players or giving kitchens. I believe he's too arrogant of person to do things the easy way. I believe he's too arrogant to give into the games of kids who haven't proven shit out of high school. But if this shit winds up bad, like the way it's looking? I'm going to have doubts. Because he is too controlling to not know this was going on. Which means he knew about it, and didn't stop it.
I don't think Saban knew T-Rich was going out to dinner with Mr. Al. That's probably why the cease and desist letter was sent in the first place.
The real question is what other damage has "I've Dressed Alabama Football Players Since 1995" done, and will the NCAA find it? Will they even look?
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Finebaum said in the first hour of the show today that he expected nothing to come of the Newton issue as it relates to AU and losing anything. He then said in hour 4 that the tapes are not to be dismissed and hinted at the mother load dropping on AU... He's so full of shit he can't even keep up with his own spin anymore.
He also took extra care to defend Saban, while not necessarily defending Alabama.... The dreaded Vote of Confidence. DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNNN.......
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I don't think Saban knew T-Rich was going out to dinner with Mr. Al. That's probably why the cease and desist letter was sent in the first place.
The real question is what other damage has "I've Dressed Alabama Football Players Since 1995" done, and will the NCAA find it? Will they even look?
They have to look. No way does this skate by without them looking into it to some extent. If Alabama has done somethin wrong, so be it. Nothing that has been posted here, in itself, is a violation. However, at the very least, it does suggest an underlying issue that has its merits as to why it should be looked at. Fair is fair. If Alabama is in some way responsible for something, then we as fans will just have to take our medicine. Unless there is some major shit turned up that went down, I really don't see it resulting in vacation of anything.
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This is the REC Onion. Tom Al-Betar is just one of MANY peddles. Tom "takes care" of Prothro, Julio and Trent...Darren Woodruff helped Tom with Julio and he "takes care" of Brent Calloway...Collin Wells "takes care" of AJ McTattoo, Brandon Gibson & Earl Alexander....Jimmy Johns was being "taken care" of by a Doctor from Tuscaloosa that posted his bail.
This Rabbit Hole will go as deep as you want it to go. We're talking suits, shoes, women, cars, vacations, travel, clothing besides suits, jewelry, ETC.
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Is the NCAA going to dig that far....better yet, do they want to dig that far? No. They don't have the time nor the manpower. But they will uncover a few things. Things that will be violations, Secondary or Major....IDK. Here's a picture that hasn't gotten any conversation.....
(http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/40017_419454993385_266785178385_4979685_4192071_n.jpg)
That's Julio on a booster's computer. NCAA Violation.
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http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/07/why_did_so_many_alabama_footba.html
Why did so many Alabama football players sign so much stuff for one men's store owner?
Published: Tuesday, July 26, 2011, 5:30 AM
By Kevin Scarbinsky, Birmingham News
T-Town Menswear owner Tom Albetar (left) mugs with Alabama running back Trent Richardson. (Facebook.com photo)
TUSCALOOSA, Alabama - It was a slow Monday morning in the University Mall. There were almost as many walkers doing laps as shoppers.
Fellow al.com reporter Izzy Gould and I weren't there to shop. We wanted to meet the man who's rapidly becoming one of the most talked-about Alabama football fans in the state.
We found Tom Albetar outside T-Town Menswear, the high-end clothing store he owns.
I introduced myself, shook his hand and before I could ask a question, Albetar said, "I can't talk to you."
I introduced Gould and explained that, with so many people discussing Albetar's relationship with current and former Alabama football players, we wanted to give him a chance to tell his side of the story.
"No comment," Albetar said, and he walked away into the Belk store at that end of the mall.
That was the end of the conversation, if you can call it that, but this story seems a long way from a conclusion.
Albetar owns an extraordinary collection of signed memorabilia from Alabama football players and coaches. His store resembles a branch of the Bryant Museum.
Albetar also has an extensive collection of photos of himself with Alabama players and coaches - taken from his store's Facebook page and his own MySpace page - and some of those photos show Alabama players signing Alabama memorabilia.
In a TV ad for the store available on YouTube, former Alabama quarterback Greg McElroy says of Albetar, while standing next to him, "He's the best. He's the best Alabama fan. He's the best fashion store in town. That's why I love him."
There's nothing wrong with being a well-connected fan, but with Ohio State headed toward NCAA probation because, in part, some of its football players traded signed memorabilia for tattoos, questions have to be asked.
Why did so many Alabama players, from Tyrone Prothro to Terrence Cody, sign so much stuff, from jerseys to helmets to gloves to photos, for Albetar?
Did they receive anything in return while they were still playing college football?
Did they sign the gear for him knowing that he would display it in the store as a form of promotion to attract customers or that he might sell it?
There are potential NCAA violations in those answers, which explains why Alabama compliance director Mike Ward sent T-Town Menswear a cease-and-desist letter dated Dec. 22, 2010.
The school informed al.com of the letter Friday and provided us a copy of it Sunday. It appears to be a form letter because the salutation says, "To Whom It May Concern" and the letter itself doesn't include the name of the owner, the business or any specific Alabama player.
The letter accuses Albetar of "selling or distributing, for commercial purposes," signed memorabilia from current players. The letter tells him that his actions could jeopardize the eligibility of those players and asks him to stop.
On that point, there's an interesting sticker on the glass storefront. It reads, "Bama Memorabilia. DISPLAY ONLY. NOT FOR SALE."
An Alabama source said Friday that the school did not believe the eligibility of any current player was in jeopardy and that the school did not forward information about the situation to the SEC or NCAA. That seems an awfully confident stance given the current enforcement climate.
Georgia Tech turned a relatively minor eligibility issue into a major infractions case - and lost its 2009 ACC title - because the NCAA said the school didn't fully cooperate. Despite major violations, LSU avoided major sanctions because the NCAA praised the proactive nature of the school's own investigation.
Wouldn't it be prudent of Alabama to turn over its self-report to the SEC and the NCAA just to be on the safe side?
On Monday, a scan of T-Town Menswear's display window and a trip through the store found only one item from a current player. High on a wall inside the store, there was a large signed and framed No. 3 Trent Richardson jersey with the 2010 BCS Championship Game patch on the left sleeve.
The wall also features similar signed and framed jerseys, with the same BCS patch, from former players Julio Jones and Mark Ingram.
There are separate photos on the Internet of Albetar with Richardson, Jones and Ingram.
There's one photo in the store window of Albetar and Jones posing with a frame that includes a drawing of Jones and a pair of Nike gloves with a Jones signature on each.
There's another photo in the store window of Albetar and Ingram posing with a frame that includes a drawing of Ingram and a pair of gloves with no visible autograph but with Ingram's No. 22 written on one wristband and the 2010 BCS Championship Game logo on the other.
Both frames containing the Jones and Ingram items also are in the store window.
All the gear in the store and all the photos on the Internet depicting a close relationship between Albetar and Alabama players are at least suggestive, if not suspicious, but they're not conclusive. It may be up to the NCAA at some point to decide what it all means.
On Monday, the T-Town Menswear Facebook page, the source of many of the photos of Albetar and the players, no longer existed. A Twitter message from @ttownmenswear said, "T-Town Menswear is in the process of setting up a new web site, blog and more! Stay tuned for more info!"
Good advice.
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Washington Post Chimes In:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/alabama-told-store-to-stop-selling-some-items/2011/07/25/gIQAGXbLZI_story.html
Alabama told store to stop selling some items
By Associated Press, Published: July 25
TUSCALOOSA, Ala. — The University of Alabama told a local store to stop selling items signed by current athletes, which is a potential violation of NCAA rules.
University compliance director Mike Ward sent a letter to T-Town Menswear on Dec. 22, 2010, instructing him to “immediately cease and desist†selling, distributing or promoting items signed by or depicting current athletes.
The letter warned that otherwise it could “jeopardize the student-athlete’s eligibility.†The NCAA prohibits using the likeness or name of a current college athlete to promote a product or service.
The letter, obtained by The Associated Press Monday, was initially reported on outkickthecoverage.com, which also ran a picture of running back Trent Richardson in a store signing the back of a shirt bearing his name and number.
The university declined comment Monday. Store owner Tom Albetar did not return a message from AP.
The letter surfaced as Ohio State is set to appear before the NCAA Committee on Infractions for violations stemming from players receiving cash and tattoos for autographs, championship rings and equipment.
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Albetar said, "I can't talk to you."
Why "can't" he speak with them?
I understand "no comment." "I don't want to do an interview" would suffice.
I'm probably just being nitpicky but "can't" is a strong word.
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Albetar said, "I can't talk to you."
Why "can't" he speak with them?
I understand "no comment." "I don't want to do an interview" would suffice.
I'm probably just being nitpicky but "can't" is a strong word.
Apparently, Finebaum can't either. Not that it will matter because he'll never let the question be asked of him, but why would he sit on a story like this and refuse to discuss it yesterday? I know the answer to the question but as our local sports talk guy said this morning.....I broke this story in this area yesterday and Paul Finebaum wouldn't even discuss it...and it's front page news on USA Today.
Again, he'll never be accountable for it but isn't it very telling when a story line like this is quickly going national and "The leading sports authority" refuses to talk about it? I'll bet he'll have a spin on it today.
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Apparently, Finebaum can't either. Not that it will matter because he'll never let the question be asked of him, but why would he sit on a story like this and refuse to discuss it yesterday? I know the answer to the question but as our local sports talk guy said this morning.....I broke this story in this area yesterday and Paul Finebaum wouldn't even discuss it...and it's front page news on USA Today.
Again, he'll never be accountable for it but isn't it very telling when a story line like this is quickly going national and "The leading sports authority" refuses to talk about it? I'll bet he'll have a spin on it today.
I think the most he discussed it was when he said, "I"m not sure I can even understand Clay Travis's article. What was he talking about?"
Also he said it wasn't even a blip on the radar on the OD.
It may not be. It may be nothing.
But that's never stopped Finebaum from at least allowing his callers to discuss the possibilities of what could maybe probably doubtably happen.
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I think the most he discussed it was when he said, "I"m not sure I can even understand Clay Travis's article. What was he talking about?"
Also he said it wasn't even a blip on the radar on the OD.
It may not be. It may be nothing.
But that's never stopped Finebaum from at least allowing his callers to discuss the possibilities of what could maybe probably doubtably happen.
This. Whatever does or doesn't happen with this and Alabama....I personally don't give a rat's ass. I just want to see if we get an O-line that comes together and if Gabe Wright is the monster I think he is. But with regard to jack off's like Finebaum, I'd love to see him called out on his hip-pok-rassee.
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Clay Strikes Again (http://outkickthecoverage.com/clays-column.php)
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Clay Strikes Again (http://outkickthecoverage.com/clays-column.php)
He is quickly turning into their Brooks Melchior...I fucking love it.
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Forget Brooks.
He's turning into As the Plains Burn:
In case you're just checking in, here is the Suitgate story -- as broken by OKTC -- in chronological order:
Our initial report on the player jerseys in the window at T-Town Menswear.
Troubling connections between the store owner and Alabama program grow as Alabama announces it sent a cease and desist letter.
Trent Richardson signing jerseys inside the store.
Owner of T-Town Menswear had sideline passes for Bama games, may be a booster.
Alabama acknowledges that current player autographs were being sold by T-Town Menswear owner.
Julio Jones: Man of Many Suits
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Clay Strikes Again (http://outkickthecoverage.com/clays-column.php)
Hell yes.
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(http://a1.l3-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/42/1f5b0219b197409dab5f6935ad12c06a/m.jpg)
More creepy pictures of him & Julio.
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(http://a1.l3-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/42/1f5b0219b197409dab5f6935ad12c06a/m.jpg)
More creepy pictures of him & Julio.
What the fickity fuck?
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Why is Julio always shirtless in these pictures? Creepy...
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Creepy is the word here. This guy looks like he's trying to be one of the boyz and hanging with all these young college kids.....making sure tons of pics are taken and posting them all over teh bookfaces so everyone will see how "in" and cool he is. Yeah, I think it's pretty cool to meet some of the players but I can't see either of us having a desire to hang out. (Stalking them in the shower is an entirely different issue, though)
Hey Dyer....umm wanna go to Red Lobster and hang out?
Damn, old dude. I don't play that way.
No really. I just want to hang out with you...have dinner...you know?
Get the fuck away from me.
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I'm ready for the #6 Dance.
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The Clay Travis post for today was expanded. Better now.
Why Is Trent Richardson Out To Dinner with Tom Albetar?
Published on: July 26, 2011 | Written by: Clay Travis
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As the story surrounding T-Town Menswear continues to grow -- USA Today had it on the front page of today's newspaper -- and the Birmingham News sent two reporters to the store yesterday, including lead columnist Kevin Scarbinsky who noted what appears to be Trent Richardson's BCS game jersey on the wall, Alabama continues to remain silent. It has now been four days since OKTC requested comment on what Tom Albetar's official status with the program is. The longer this silence drags on the more likely it seems that the university has determined Albetar, a man who received multiple sideline passes, is a booster, raising the stakes that much higher in this growing story. If Albetar is a booster who sold autographed items from current players, how can Alabama claim that it didn't know and shouldn't haven known about the activities?
Especially when OKTC is about to blow this story up even more, why is Trent Richardson out for a hibachi dinner with Tom Albetar, the man Alabama has confirmed has been selling autographed Alabama gear featuring Richardson? What's more, who do you think picked up the check the store owner or the student-athlete?
Does Alabama know about this photo? Can they prove that Richardson paid for his part of the meal? And if Richardson did pay for this meal in January of 2010, isn't it just as damning? Since it would mean by the time he showed up in Albetar's store to sign autographs in September of 2010, he knew Albetar well enough to know that the jerseys were being sold.
Basically, if you're willing to hang out in his shop on many, many days, sign many autographs while being photographed doing so, and go out to dinner with the owner either at his expense or yours, how can Alabama reasonably claim that Richardson didn't know his jerseys and other apparel were being sold? Put simply, Alabama can't.
Furthermore, in light of Kevin Scarbinsky's report do we really believe that Richardson gave up his BCS title game jersey to a stranger and allowed him to hang it on the wall while receiving absolutely nothing in return?
Doesn't that boggle the mind too?
Other aspects of this story don't make sense either. Why, for instance, did Alabama's cease and desist letter from December 22 not specify a particular location? And why did that letter not reference, in particular, the jerseys in the windows of T-Town's Menswear? By allowing those jerseys to remain in the windows for months, there is a strong argument that the players and the unversity countenanced their display, meaning the players would need to be ruled ineligible.
In its initial response to OKTC Alabama made it seem the cease and desist letter had been sent specifically to the store, but that's not the case. What's more, is it a coincidence that the date on the letter is the same day that news broke about the Ohio State tattoo parlor? Did Alabama print off a bunch of cease and desist letters for local businesses in a quick attempt to cover its ass?
Based on the photographic evidence we've presented in multiple stories on this site we're talking about over a hundred Alabama football players making hundreds of visits to a local business. While there those players signed jerseys, helmets, footballs, gloves and other football paraphernalia on multiple occasions. According to Alabama much of that paraphernalia then made its way to a kiosk in the same mall where current Crimson Tide player autographed material was sold.
Is Alabama really going to argue that the players didn't know? If you signed an object in a mall one day and then saw it for sale in that same mall kiosk stand the next day and then continued to sign objects, wouldn't you lose all ability to claim lack of knowledge?
Especially when we now have evidence that Richardson knew Albetar well enough to go to dinner with him and give him his BCS title game jersey for display?
This story is only deepening, and the silence from both Alabama and Albetar speaks volumes.
What's more if you think this site has been covering this story aggressively, wait until the national media feeding frenzy commences.
In case you're just checking in, here is the Suitgate story -- as broken by OKTC -- in chronological order:
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I think Mr. Travis doesn't take too kindly to death threats. Looks like he's gonna' be a bulldog on this one. Some pretty bold statements in there.
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Why is Julio always shirtless in these pictures? Creepy...
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d58/saniflush/hibachisupperherbert.jpg)
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Why is Julio always shirtless in these pictures? Creepy...
Not nearly as creepy as this picture...
(http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/40017_419454993385_266785178385_4979685_4192071_n.jpg)
Holy fuck he is ugly...
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And today's edition of Paul Finebaum leads with a producer covering for Paul (who's off doing an interview) by replaying the Mike Leach interview from last week.
Wow. Deflector shields at maximum.
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And today's edition of Paul Finebaum leads with a producer covering for Paul (who's off doing an interview) by replaying the Mike Leach interview from last week.
Wow. Deflector shields at maximum.
Egg Zachary. I'm waitng til after break to see if he's grown a set.
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Egg Zachary. I'm waitng til after break to see if he's grown a set.
Nope. Apparently there's Cecil Newton news (yeah right) but nothing other than a nod that callers might want to comment on the "situation" in Tuscaloosa. I doubt they let anyone through who isn't toting the crimson wave water.
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Paul Finebaum insinuates that Kevin Scarbinsky is just an Auburn fan with a pen and paper.
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Paul Finebaum insinuates that Kevin Scarbinsky is just an Auburn fan with a pen and paper.
Turning this off now before blood pressure hits critical level.
Yep. First caller says Scarbinski has already put more effort into this than the whole Cam Newton situation. Finebong says if you're investigating something, you don't show up at the store and ask to speak to the owner. WHAT?????
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Yep. First caller says Scarbinski has already put more effort into this than the whole Cam Newton situation. Finebong says if you're investigating something, you don't show up at the store and ask to speak to the owner. WHAT?????
Yep, screw fact finding. Let's just make shit up!
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Yep. First caller says Scarbinski has already put more effort into this than the whole Cam Newton situation. Finebong says if you're investigating something, you don't show up at the store and ask to speak to the owner. WHAT?????
He's right. Why would you actually ask questions of people involved with the allegations?
Silly rabbit.
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He's right. Why would you actually ask questions of people involved with the allegations?
Silly rabbit.
What was Scarbs thinking?
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Now he has the I Hate Auburn t shirt forklifter on. :facepalm:
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Followed by Tigeretts jokes from another idiot caller.
Time to go dig through The Hollywood Saloon's back catalog.
Bump this.
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The forklifter said he was surprised because he remembers what Lord Saybinz said about hating these guys. In typical fashion, PF says Lord Saybinz doesn't hate Auburn, he hated some people on that staff because, "He knew the things they had done".
:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
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The forklifter said he was surprised because he remembers what Lord Saybinz said about hating these guys. In typical fashion, PF says Lord Saybinz doesn't hate Auburn, he hated some people on that staff because, "He knew the things they had done".
:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
"He hates some certain members of that coaching staff. You catch my drift?"
I caught it. You're a flaming douche trying to get your callers to say matter-of-factly that Trooper Taylor is cheating, and then sit back throw your hands up and say "I didn't say anything."
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"He hates some certain members of that coaching staff. You catch my drift?"
I caught it. You're a flaming douche trying to get your callers to say matter-of-factly that Trooper Taylor is cheating, and then sit back throw your hands up and say "I didn't say anything."
That was CTT's staff.
They are not going to allow any callers through except the regulars.
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Can someone explain to me why yawl listen to that show?
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Can someone explain to me why yawl listen to that show?
It's good for their skin.
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Let's just make shit up!
Is it even necessary at this point?
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Masterful.
A caller made the point that there was documented proof of these allegations.
Finebaum yelled, hooted, and hollered like a maniac cutting the guy off every time he tried to speak.
Paul: "Documented Proof!?!?!? Where's your documented proof?!?!?"
Caller: "The Documented Proof is - "
Paul: "Try to not sound like you have an IQ of 2!!! Let's hear the documented proof"
Caller: "Well Paul, the documented proof is - "
Paul: "No!!!! You said documented proof!!! I want to know what your Documented proof is!!!"
Caller: "Paul, can I speak, you're just cutting me off - "
Paul: "You said you have documented proof!!! I'd like to see that!!! You don't know what you're talking about!!!"
Caller: "Paul, you're just cutting me off over and - "
Paul: "You don't know what you're talking about. You're just blabbering on like an idiot. Where is your proof?"
Caller: "The proof is that - "
Paul: "You have no idea what you're talking about, you sound like an idiot!!!"
Hangs up.
Talks about with the next caller that he gave the guy multiple times to answer the question and he just waffled.
Now callers are calling in to call him a fag. And a typical Auburn agenda-driven caller.
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Ohio guy (who usually calls to bash Cam), took that in a direction Paul wasn't expecting.
Caller: "Paul, do you remember the algebraic symbols <, >, & = to? I'd like to play a little game. I'd like to play, 'In the eyes of the NCAA is this less than (not as serious), equal to (the same), or greater than (more serious)'.
The first two would be Fine Line Tattoo Parlor in Columbus, Ohio, or T-Town Menswear. Greater than, less than, or equal to."
Paul chuckled, "Seems like a less than."
Caller: "I don't know, I think I'd go equal to."
Paul: "Now, are we talking to eachother? I misunderstood the question." :rolleyes:
Caller: "This place has been explained to me as a high-end men's store. At a high-end men's store, I'm not buying a $200 suit. There isn't a $200 suit there. So suits from T-Town, vs. Tattoos. Greater than, less than, or equal to."
Paul: "Alex is goinghigh."
Caller: "I would be of the same opinion as Alex, he's a wise man. And here's my last question. It became apparent in some of these articles that Alabama decided that they didn't commit any sort of violation, so they just took it upon themselves to not report anything to the NCAA. In fact, they sent a cease & desist letter, if you believe them, to the proprietor of the T-Town suit store. So the question would be, one person trying to cover something up, or the collective Alabama football program/athletic department..."
Paul cuts him off, "Well, I don't know why they didn't report it but sometimes, uh, again, that's what I asked about Mississippi State, why didn't they turn anything over, why did it take so long? Sometimes you just don't think it even merits the documentation...although I don't know why universities wouldn't forward everything right now..."
Caller: "So what do you think Paul? One individual not reporting, or the entire athletic department not reporting?"
Paul: "Well, I think that's a poorly phrased...I think a judge would not allow that question in court."
#winning
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Not nearly as creepy as this picture...
(http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/40017_419454993385_266785178385_4979685_4192071_n.jpg)
Holy fuck he is ugly...
This one is better....
(http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg610/scaled.php?tn=0&server=610&filename=px3as.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640)
Julio the cross dresser...nice lipstick and mascara.
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Clay Travis tweeting again...
ClayTravisBGID Clay Travis
Alabama announces that they have disassociated Tom Albetar from the program effective March 31.
ClayTravisBGID Clay Travis
From Bama: "Based on our review of this matter, we concluded that Mr. Albetar was in compliance with NCAA regulations."
ClayTravisBGID Clay Travis
So if Albetar was in compliance why was he disassociated? And why did Bama send him a letter saying he wasn't?
:popcorn:
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(http://simg.sportsbybrooks.com/e/2/e26a0b0b310b9c822f680f8baa828e47_ingramtriesonheismansuitttownmenswear.jpg)
(http://simg.sportsbybrooks.com/8/2/82152d0b5f3f611b1eff0cd8abfee1ab_markingramheismansuitdisplay.jpg)
Looks like Brookie's ears have now been perked up, it was probably the USA Today article or The Washington Post...
http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/
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http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/07/alabama_sent_disassociation_le.html
Alabama sent disassociation letter to T-Town Menswear owner in March
Published: Tuesday, July 26, 2011, 7:35 PM Updated: Tuesday, July 26, 2011, 7:40 PM
Izzy Gould | Tuscaloosa Bureau By Izzy Gould | Tuscaloosa Bureau
TUSCALOOSA, Alabama - Alabama sent a disassociation letter to the owner of T-Town Menswear in March, effectively breaking ties between Tom Albetar and the university.
An Alabama source said Albetar was not deemed a booster, and the university can send a disassociation letter to anyone.
The letter, which was signed by Alabama athletics director Mal Moore, was hand delivered to Albetar (the letter addresses him as Mr. Tom Al-batar) and was part of a university statement released Tuesday addressing growing concerns between Crimson Tide athletes and their relationship with Albetar and his store.
"Due to the concerns expressed in our letter to Mr. Albetar dated March 31, 2011, we disassociated him from our program," Alabama associate athletic director of compliance Mike Ward said in a news release. "As we always do in matters of this nature, we discussed this matter with the SEC Office. Because we found no evidence of any NCAA violation, we did not self-report a violation. UA will continue to be proactive in all areas of compliance monitoring."
In the dissociation letter, Alabama said Albetar cooperated in an interview with the university and appeared to be compliant with NCAA rules. The university expressed a concern with the "display of memorabilia indicating a relationship with several University of Alabama student-athletes."
"Your conduct and interaction with student-athletes, as well as that of your employees, has been appropriately reviewed, and appears to be compliant with NCAA regulations," the letter states.
In the same letter the university expressed, "The institution must remain cautious regarding any relationship you may have with its student-athletes beyond that of a store owner and customer. As the owner of a local business, the institution is reliant on you to heed all instructions provided by the institution and its compliance staff regarding adherence to NCAA rules."
The release was Alabama's first official response since news broke last week that the university had sent a cease-and-desist letter to T-Town Menswear asking the business to end its practice of using the likeness of Crimson Tide student-athletes in advertisements, and to specifically end the sale of memorabilia signed by current Alabama athletes.
Alabama released the cease-and-desist letter Sunday night, but had not official commented regarding the story.
Approached Monday by al.com newspaper reporters near his University Mall store, Albetar, who has been photographed on the sideline and in the press box at Alabama football games, declined comment.
"Our review of this matter was a part of our normal compliance program," Ward said. "We routinely look at all situations of potential concern. Based on our review of this matter, we concluded that Mr. Albetar was in compliance with NCAA regulations. It is not a violation for student-athletes to sign autographs and it is not a violation for a business to display photos, jerseys or other items depicting current student-athletes. We found no evidence that any student-athlete received any extra benefits."
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http://media.al.com/sports_impact/other/Disassociation-Letter-07-26-11.pdf
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ClayTravisBGID Clay Travis
Alabama announces that they have disassociated Tom Albetar from the program effective March 31.
From Bama: "Based on our review of this matter, we concluded that Mr. Albetar was in compliance with NCAA regulations."
So if Albetar was in compliance why was he disassociated? And why did Bama send him a letter saying he wasn't?
Alabama's official position: We were never associated, but now we're disassociated.
If you truly disassociated the guy in March, why say you sent him a cease and desist letter in December? Why not tell truth from start?
Also, why does Alabama now say they notified the SEC about this, but initially said they hadn't told the SEC or NCAA?
KevinScarbinsky Kevin Scarbinsky
Alabama: Even though it concluded Albetar broke no NCAA rules, it disassociated him for " ... the appearance of a potential impropriety."
Ala told Albetar he put players at potential risk. "This risk includes exposing our student-athletes to potential NCAA investigations or sensationalized journalism based on assumptions that wrongdoing has taken place." Verbatim from the Ala letter.
Ala letter to Albetar dated March 31, 2011. Typed and underlined notation under the date and above his address: "Via Hand Delivery."
Well boys, here's the cover-up. This is now worse than the Ohio State thing in every way.
That is unless you buy the fact that they sent the vague cease & desist letter addressed to anyone in particular, but rather "to whom it may concern", that doesn't mention the specific transgressions being accused. Three months later they sent a letter to dissociate him from the organization he was never really associated, by hand so that there is no proof of when it was notarized. In this letter they noted that it was to prevent "sensationalized journalism based on assumptions that wrongdoing has taken place". Give me a fucking break. Couldn't even hold back their dig at Clay Travis for the sake of authenticity in their fake retrodated letter.
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Mal Moore signed this Dissassociation Letter....he wasn't even in Alabama on March 31st, AAAAAAHHHHHAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!
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Mal Moore signed this Dissassociation Letter....he wasn't even in Alabama on March 31st, AAAAAAHHHHHAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!
Where was he and how do you know that? Did I miss some big event I should remember?
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Where was he and how do you know that? Did I miss some big event I should remember?
He was in New York at the Madison Square Gardens.
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In this letter they noted that it was to prevent "sensationalized journalism based on assumptions that wrongdoing has taken place".
Hmmm, how could they know someone would pick up on this story? Oh, that's right, it's because Mal Moore and Dr Whitt are full of shit and they just made up a date off the top of their head, then hand delivered the letter to Tom a couple days ago...that might be why he's packing up shop, as of yesterday. Not in April after the Dissassociation Letter supposedly took place...but in July.
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Mal Moore signed this Dissassociation Letter....he wasn't even in Alabama on March 31st, AAAAAAHHHHHAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!
Dear NCAA,
My name is Malfunction Moore. I run a football program in Alabama. I hired Coach Saban. He's great! Oh, I have to cut this short, the cafeteria is serving jello today, and it sells out fast. The green kind is what I like bests. Anywho, we, Paul Jr. said to say "we", disassociated a guy that maybe did, and maybe didn't was a booster, and maybe did or maybe didn't give some of our ath-a-letes free stuff from his store where he sells slacks and sports coats. Just thought y'all might wanna know you didn't need to wast no time sending anybody over from their budness in Awbren to check on something there ain't nuthin to.
Signed,
Mal
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He was in New York at the Madison Square Gardens.
Yup. At the NIT.
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Yup. At the NIT.
Just playing devil's advocate:
Why and how would that prevent him from signing the letter? Could he not have signed it before he left?
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Just playing devil's advocate:
Why and how would that prevent him from signing the letter? Could he not have signed it before he left?
And why is it being hand delivered?
When you want a record that something has been done you send it certified mail.
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And why is it being hand delivered?
When you want a record that something has been done you send it certified mail.
I understand the issue there.
I'm just questioning people who say Mal Moore's signature for a 3/31/11 letter is false since he was at the NIT tournament.
Are we sure he was there? And why couldn't he have signed it before he left if it was to be hand delivered (snicker) on the 31st?
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And why is it being hand delivered?
When you want a record that something has been done you send it certified mail.
Cash is dangerous to send through the mail, and since you don't want a record of a payoff, you send cash, and not a check.
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I understand the issue there.
I'm just questioning people who say Mal Moore's signature for a 3/31/11 letter is false since he was at the NIT tournament.
Are we sure he was there? And why couldn't he have signed it before he left if it was to be hand delivered (snicker) on the 31st?
We're sure he was there.
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/03/nit_notes_pay_raise_for_anthon.html
I suppose he could have faxed it, etc., but that wasn't implied.
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We're sure he was there.
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/03/nit_notes_pay_raise_for_anthon.html
I suppose he could have faxed it, etc., but that wasn't implied.
Wednesday, March 30, 2011
Alabama athletics director Mal Moore, who is in New York this week to attend the Crimson Tide's final games in the NIT
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So seriously. Bama fans.
I want your unfiltered opinion.
Do you believe this shit from your athletic department? Do you believe they "dissociated him" yet he was never associated with the program? Do you believe they notified the SEC even though they told Clay Travis and ESPN earlier that they didn't? Do you believe this was done on March 31, even though Saban said on the radio earlier yesterday that they sent a cease and desist in December, and other than that he didn't see that he did anything wrong, and he didn't see any reason the players shouldn't go there so he was going to continue to let them? Do you believe that this dissociation letter sent on March 31 had the foresight to include the phrase "sensationalized journalism based on assumptions that wrongdoing has taken place"? To address exactly this situation? I want to hear from all of you. I'm genuinely curious if you buy this crap, or if it's just the media being this obtuse.
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So seriously. Bama fans.
I want your unfiltered opinion.
Do you believe this shit from your athletic department? Do you believe they "dissociated him" yet he was never associated with the program? Do you believe they notified the SEC even though they told Clay Travis and ESPN earlier that they didn't? Do you believe this was done on March 31, even though Saban said on the radio earlier yesterday that they sent a cease and desist in December, and other than that he didn't see that he did anything wrong, and he didn't see any reason the players shouldn't go there so he was going to continue to let them? Do you believe that this dissociation letter sent on March 31 had the foresight to include the phrase "sensationalized journalism based on assumptions that wrongdoing has taken place"? To address exactly this situation? I want to hear from all of you. I'm genuinely curious if you buy this crap, or if it's just the media being this obtuse.
Ditto Chizad.
Still trying to figure how do you disassociate when something was never associated. Makes no sense. To disassociate implies an admission of pre existing association, to me.
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And now another installment of As The Chimes Burn (http://outkickthecoverage.com/how-in-the-world-could-alabama-players-have-known-their-jerseys-were-for-sale.php#.TjA2VCjzqFJ.tweet)
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Yeah...I am thinking he didn't like the death threats...
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I love how Alabama fans will turn on and kill one of their own on the drop of a hat... Makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside.
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Here come the anti-gravity stairs.
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It was hand delivered because you can't send a "**wink, wink**" via certified mail.
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By the way? This allegedly happened in March?
Then what is he doing on the sidelines at A-Day in April?
(http://outkickthecoverage.com/tyfoon/site/fckeditor/image/Sideline2010%20part%202.jpg)
(http://outkickthecoverage.com/tyfoon/site/fckeditor/image/sideline%202010%20part%203.jpg)
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Can anyone zoom in on what the hangtag says at the bottom? The date on it, maybe?
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Can anyone zoom in on what the hangtag says at the bottom? The date on it, maybe?
Can't get it clear enough to get anything out of it.
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Who is that coach and when was he hired?
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Who is that coach and when was he hired?
Exactly.
Brooks tweets:
Aubus: Photo yall keep sending me is not Rumph and Chess King at A-Day. Taken during 2010 season.
If Ruph was hired in 2011, which he was (http://www.rolltide.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/010711aaa.html), then tell me, what other game did he coach in in Tuscaloosa in 2011 BEFORE A-Day?
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Brooks tweets:
Aubus: Photo yall keep sending me is not Rumph and Chess King at A-Day. Taken during 2010 season.
Then who is it?
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If Ruph was hired in 2011, which he was (http://www.rolltide.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/010711aaa.html), then tell me, what other game did he coach in in Tuscaloosa in 2011 BEFORE A-Day?
oh snap.
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Hmmm..sure looks like Rumphphph to me.
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Hmmm..sure looks like Rumphphph to me.
I don't think I got a Rumph out of him.
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I don't think I got a Rumph out of him.
Look Mom, it's Heddy Lamar
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Look Mom, it's Heddy Lamar
That's Hedley.
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Raisinettes
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I know that every year, Under Armour makes a new style of coaches polo shirt. I assume Nike would do the same thing. Can we tell by the style of polo the coach is wearing as to the year?
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So seriously. Bama fans.
I want your unfiltered opinion.
Do you believe this shit from your athletic department? Do you believe they "dissociated him" yet he was never associated with the program? Do you believe they notified the SEC even though they told Clay Travis and ESPN earlier that they didn't? Do you believe this was done on March 31, even though Saban said on the radio earlier yesterday that they sent a cease and desist in December, and other than that he didn't see that he did anything wrong, and he didn't see any reason the players shouldn't go there so he was going to continue to let them? Do you believe that this dissociation letter sent on March 31 had the foresight to include the phrase "sensationalized journalism based on assumptions that wrongdoing has taken place"? To address exactly this situation? I want to hear from all of you. I'm genuinely curious if you buy this crap, or if it's just the media being this obtuse.
Don't think I'm going to get an answer on this. No Huddle? RWS? I see you're lurking...
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I know that every year, Under Armour makes a new style of coaches polo shirt. I assume Nike would do the same thing. Can we tell by the style of polo the coach is wearing as to the year?
It's from this year. He was coaching at Clemson last year.
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It's from this year. He was coaching at Clemson last year.
Have you told Melchior this?
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Have you told Melchior this?
I retweeted it. Doubt he cares since I'm a barner... :rolleyes:
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I retweeted it. Doubt he cares since I'm a barner... :rolleyes:
Seeing as how bama has raided the state of Ga and stole numerous recruits from his beloved mutts lately, I figured he would have a vested interest to help uncover all of this.
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I'm not sure that's from the 2011 A-Day game.
Look at the outfit Terry Saban has on in this picture, and it's different from the one that she's wearing with Tom.
http://photos.al.com/birmingham-news/2011/04/saban_statue_alabama_a-day_201_12.html (http://photos.al.com/birmingham-news/2011/04/saban_statue_alabama_a-day_201_12.html)
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I'm not sure that's from the 2011 A-Day game.
Look at the outfit Terry Saban has on in this picture, and it's different from the one that she's wearing with Tom.
http://photos.al.com/birmingham-news/2011/04/saban_statue_alabama_a-day_201_12.html (http://photos.al.com/birmingham-news/2011/04/saban_statue_alabama_a-day_201_12.html)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_oiDnQ2X2I
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I'm not sure that's from the 2011 A-Day game.
Look at the outfit Terry Saban has on in this picture, and it's different from the one that she's wearing with Tom.
http://photos.al.com/birmingham-news/2011/04/saban_statue_alabama_a-day_201_12.html (http://photos.al.com/birmingham-news/2011/04/saban_statue_alabama_a-day_201_12.html)
The photos in question were taken pre-game for the 2009 LSU game. That is an LSU game sideline pass.
WDE
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ps: unless it is not.
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The photos in question were taken pre-game for the 2009 LSU game. That is an LSU game sideline pass.
WDE
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ps: unless it is not.
A regular Danny Sheridan.
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True. I accept defeat on this issue.
So back to the other questions.
So seriously. Bama fans.
I want your unfiltered opinion.
Do you believe this shit from your athletic department? Do you believe they "dissociated him" yet he was never associated with the program? Do you believe they notified the SEC even though they told Clay Travis and ESPN earlier that they didn't? Do you believe this was done on March 31, even though Saban said on the radio earlier yesterday that they sent a cease and desist in December, and other than that he didn't see that he did anything wrong, and he didn't see any reason the players shouldn't go there so he was going to continue to let them? Do you believe that this dissociation letter sent on March 31 had the foresight to include the phrase "sensationalized journalism based on assumptions that wrongdoing has taken place"? To address exactly this situation? I want to hear from all of you. I'm genuinely curious if you buy this crap, or if it's just the media being this obtuse.
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A regular Danny Sheridan.
I would reply with some snarky "kiss my ass" comment, but I am in a hurry......have to go get my pink shirts from the cleaners. They close early today.
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I would reply with some snarky "kiss my ass" comment, but I am in a hurry......have to go get my pink shirts from the cleaners. They close early today.
Danny Sheridan: The NCAA has found the bag man and trying to get him to talk. If they do, Auburn is toast..........unless they don't.
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Don't think I'm going to get an answer on this. No Huddle? RWS? I see you're lurking...
I was on my phone and didn't see the post....I only looked at the last page in the thread.
I'm not 100% sold at this point. Things are sounding a little better. If they did present this to the SEC office and they agreed there was no reason to report to the NCAA (I would assume the SEC would let the NCAA know if there was a problem), that makes me feel a little better about it as well. A cease and desist letter was sent in December. The disassociation happened in March. Two separate things, but I think you're confusing the two things for one.
Like I said before, I would like for the NCAA to chime in on this; good or bad. I'll take whatever they come up with as fact. If they take a look and say "Meh, whatever. Nothing actually illegal took place." then I'm fine with that. If they uncover something and assrape Alabama for it, well, it is what it is. If you don't want to get in trouble, don't do stupid shit. It would make me very happy for them to tell players to not allow this fucker within 10 miles of any Alabama player. If nothing illegal is going on, it doesn't matter. It sure as fuck raises alot of eyebrows. I would think that if something could be misconstrued as illegal, then don't do it. If it would look shady to somebody who didn't know shit, then don't do it. Especially when you're in the public eye.
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Finebaum keeps playing the Saban clip, as if that proves innocence beyond a doubt.
Saban didn't mention the dissociation letter at all, but instead said:
We've done a cease-and-desist with this establishment a long time ago to make sure everybody understands what players can and can't do. You know, I guess I could ban our players from the place but until somebody can sorta convince me that somebody is doing something wrong, which I haven't been convinced of yet, I don't know if that's fair to our players.
Then Alabama reports that they sent a dissociation letter March 31. Well, which is it? No one did anything wrong, and there's no reason he shouldn't still be associated with the university, and players shouldn't hang out in his store, or he has been dissociated from the university?
It can't be both. If anything, Saban's quotes are damming.
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Finebaum keeps playing the Saban clip, as if that proves innocence beyond a doubt.
Saban didn't mention the dissociation letter at all, but instead said:
Then Alabama reports that they sent a dissociation letter March 31. Well, which is it? No one did anything wrong, and there's no reason he shouldn't still be associated with the university, and players shouldn't hang out in his store, or he has been dissociated from the university?
It can't be both. If anything, Saban's quotes are damming.
It's called CYA. That, and I don't think Saban would get to overrule the compliance department and/or Mal Moore. Anybody can be disassociated from a program. Even if they don't fit the NCAA's definition of a booster (which I believe he was). If Saban is blowing smoke and there was never a disassociation letter, then I'm sure the SEC and/or the NCAA will catch on to that. I would hope that UA gave the SEC a copy of the letter sent in March when it was created.
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It's called CYA. That, and I don't think Saban would get to overrule the compliance department and/or Mal Moore. Anybody can be disassociated from a program. Even if they don't fit the NCAA's definition of a booster (which I believe he was). If Saban is blowing smoke and there was never a disassociation letter, then I'm sure the SEC and/or the NCAA will catch on to that. I would hope that UA gave the SEC a copy of the letter sent in March when it was created.
Saban didn't mention the dissociation letter. How are you missing this? He said specifically that outside of what the cease & desist letter addressed, he wasn't convinced that Tom had done anything wrong, and didn't see any reason the players couldn't hang out with him.
Is that dissociation?
Obviously, he didn't know about this "Dissociation Letter" until the University released it to the media (i.e. made it up as a CYA attempt).
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Saban didn't mention the dissociation letter. How are you missing this? He said specifically that outside of what the cease & desist letter addressed, he wasn't convinced that Tom had done anything wrong, and didn't see any reason the players couldn't hang out with him.
Is that dissociation?
Obviously, he didn't know about this "Dissociation Letter" until the University released it to the media (i.e. made it up as a CYA attempt).
I know he didn't mention it. My point is, even though he has an opinion on it, doesn't mean that Mal Moore or compliance agrees with that. I understand that your position is there was no disassociation, never happened, creating fake letter now. That's why I said I hoped that UA sent a copy to the SEC in March/April when the letter was written/delivered. That would be pretty good evidence that the letter existed before now.
Also, if the guy was disassociated, that doesn't stop players from going into his store if they wanted to. It basically says "You do not represent Alabama's athletic interests." A formality in terms of NCAA I suppose.
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I know he didn't mention it. My point is, even though he has an opinion on it, doesn't mean that Mal Moore or compliance agrees with that. I understand that your position is there was no disassociation, never happened, creating fake letter now. That's why I said I hoped that UA sent a copy to the SEC in March/April when the letter was written/delivered. That would be pretty good evidence that the letter existed before now.
Also, if the guy was disassociated, that doesn't stop players from going into his store if they wanted to. It basically says "You do not represent Alabama's athletic interests." A formality in terms of NCAA I suppose.
Come on RWS, If Auburn felt it necessary to disassociate a local booster/business owner, I would fully expect our coaching staff and Athletic Dept to make sure that the players knew that this booster/business owner was off limits and they were to no longer "associate" with that person.
Saban, by his own interview, basically admitted that he knew nothing about this official disassociation.
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That's why I said I hoped that UA sent a copy to the SEC in March/April when the letter was written/delivered. That would be pretty good evidence that the letter existed before now.
You mean when they "hand delivered" it to Albetar?
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................. That, and I don't think Saban would get to overrule the compliance department and/or Mal Moore. Anybody can be disassociated from a program. Even if they don't fit the NCAA's definition of a booster (which I believe he was).......................
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You mean when they "hand delivered" it to Albetar?
Yes. That's what the "/delivered" part of my statement meant.
I understand your side of it. You want Alabama wiped off the face of the Earth, and you're going to keep digging until you get it. You want this to go really far, and you want anything that even looks negative to be super super illegal. I get it. You have your ideas, and I have mine. You're not going to give Alabama the benefit of the doubt like you would give AU. You're not going to find every logical or even illogical reasoning valid in this case as you would if it concerned AU. I understand that. I'm just on the opposite side of that is all.
Like I said before, I'll take the word of the NCAA what did or didn't happen. Some fairly bold statements have been made by Saban and UA compliance. I would imagine if some of it is false, the NCAA and/or the SEC would be PISSED and fairly quick to call horseshit if something wasn't true. That would take pretty big balls and not alot of intelligence to tell outright lies in the national media when you know the NCAA is looking. Don't you think that would make them want to take a look if somebody was just outright lying, and they knew? If the NCAA doesn't take a look at it based on what UA gives them, then I feel pretty good about UA's compliance department. In the current environment in college football, with something as high profile as this, if the NCAA feels comfortable with the info Alabama's compliance department had gathered, that would have to be a compliment as to how the department operates. I highly highly doubt that will happen, though. I can't imagine that happening at ANY school.
Prowler doesn't work for the NCAA. Neither do you, nor I for that matter. They make the decisions as to what is or isn't illegal. I'm not going to take an Auburn fan's opinion as fact and the last word, just the same as nobody should take an Alabama fan's opinion as fact and the last word. Both sides have their own slant they want to put on it. I'm cool with whatever the NCAA finds in all of this.
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Yes. That's what the "/delivered" part of my statement meant.
I understand your side of it. You want Alabama wiped off the face of the Earth, and you're going to keep digging until you get it. You want this to go really far, and you want anything that even looks negative to be super super illegal. I get it. You have your ideas, and I have mine. You're not going to give Alabama the benefit of the doubt like you would give AU. You're not going to find every logical or even illogical reasoning valid in this case as you would if it concerned AU. I understand that. I'm just on the opposite side of that is all.
Like I said before, I'll take the word of the NCAA what did or didn't happen. Some fairly bold statements have been made by Saban and UA compliance. I would imagine if some of it is false, the NCAA and/or the SEC would be PISSED and fairly quick to call horseshit if something wasn't true. That would take pretty big balls and not alot of intelligence to tell outright lies in the national media when you know the NCAA is looking. Don't you think that would make them want to take a look if somebody was just outright lying, and they knew? If the NCAA doesn't take a look at it based on what UA gives them, then I feel pretty good about UA's compliance department. In the current environment in college football, with something as high profile as this, if the NCAA feels comfortable with the info Alabama's compliance department had gathered, that would have to be a compliment as to how the department operates. I highly highly doubt that will happen, though. I can't imagine that happening at ANY school.
Prowler doesn't work for the NCAA. Neither do you, nor I for that matter. They make the decisions as to what is or isn't illegal. I'm not going to take an Auburn fan's opinion as fact and the last word, just the same as nobody should take an Alabama fan's opinion as fact and the last word. Both sides have their own slant they want to put on it. I'm cool with whatever the NCAA finds in all of this.
Substitute Cam Newton for T-Town Menswear.
It's what we've been saying all along.
The problem is that the NCAA won't say anything. You'll have to trust your compliance department. Or don't. You'll have to ignore the bloggers and message boards. Or not. You'll have to believe Finebaum when he says it's a nonissue. Or not.
Nothing is factual right now and most likely won't be. But that's not going to stop this story from circulating and progressing.
It's the biggest problem with the NCAA right now. What's so bad about honesty? How bad would it really be for Auburn (especially if Auburn is clean with Newton) if the NCAA released a statement - a real statement - detailing the investigation?
The NCAA wants academic integrity and fairness but their methods do anything but promote academic integrity and fairness.
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Finebaum keeps playing the Saban clip, as if that proves innocence beyond a doubt.
Because Finebaum issued his personal edict this week that Saban's integrity is beyond reproach. Fuckin' sack of shit simply declares Saban righteous and good, and yet impugns every Auburn coach if a player so much as gets a parking ticket, or a rumor starts that the Tigerettes are prostitutes.
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More from Clay:
Click the link for pictures.
http://outkickthecoverage.com/julio-jones-signing-a-stack-of-jerseys-in-t-town-menswear.php
Julio Jones Signing a Stack of Jerseys in T-Town Menswear
Published on: July 28, 2011 | Written by: Clay Travis
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Every day brings a new revelation that makes Alabama's explanation for what went down at T-Town Menswear look more and more artificial. Today, meet Julio Jones, man of many suits, as he signs a stack of personalized jerseys inside T-Town Menswear. The photo is courtsey of SportsByBrooks, you need to click the link to see how full story on this matter. In the meantime, why does Julio Jones need to sign that many jerseys for a storeowner? A full stack? Even the most crimson-blooded Alabama fan on Earth has to be troubled by this. After all, this isn't a personal gift, this is Julio signing jerseys so they can be sold to the public on multiple kiosks in the state.
Alabama argues that its players couldn't have known their jerseys were being sold after they signed them. That position is becoming more and more laughable each day.
Who signs a stack of jerseys like this without knowing where they're heading? Julio Jones is smart, he knew exactly what he was doing when he stood over a stack of jerseys and began signing his name on jerseys that had been specially ordered to include his last name. He was doing this for his friend Tom Albetar, a guy who he knew well. This wasn't some stranger. If it was perhaps Julio would have turned the other way when he was presented with a stack of his own jerseys and asked to sign his name while someone stood alongside and took his photograph.
He trusted Tom -- even if Alabama didn't --Tom was a good guy.
Tom was a friend.
In fact, Julio was such good friends with the owner that he hung out on the store computer.
Heck, Julio was such good friends with disassociated booster Tom Albeter, that he even brought a girl to hang out with them in the office.
Repeat, this is Julio Jones hanging out in the office of a disassociated booster. He even brought a girl with him to hang in the office! You telling me Julio didn't know exactly what was going down when he signed a stack of jerseys for his store-owning buddy?
We've already seen that Julio hung out in the store and used the computer, that he modeled jackets, that he regularly posed with the owner. That he brought girls to the store with him!
Again, I ask you, why is the SportsByBrooks linked photograph at the top of this screen being taken as Julio signs a stack of jerseys? The answer is easy, so purchasers of these jerseys have authentication that Julio Jones actually signed the jerseys himself.
Take off the crimson-colored glasses, Alabama fans, the mushroom cloud is continuing to grow. Be sure and read SportsByBrooks' story here.
And please stop arguing that Julio didn't know. He's a smart guy. He knew exactly what he was doing. To argue otherwise is an insult to his intelligence.
And yours.
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Here's OKTC's chronology of stories on Suitgate:
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Looks like Clay Travis enjoys death threats.
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Looks like Clay Travis enjoys death threats.
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The bright side to this is, as long as sportsbybrooks and clay travis are busy stacking it up and jizzing over photos that weren't hard to find, I'm not as concerned as I would be if a major publication was digging. Clay and Brooks are too busy trying to gain rock star status to ever find any actual "improper benefits". Although I think it's becoming blindingly obvious as to what was going on, I'll rest easy as long as these two jackasses are leading the investigation.
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The bright side to this is, as long as sportsbybrooks and clay travis are busy stacking it up and jizzing over photos that weren't hard to find, I'm not as concerned as I would be if a major publication was digging. Clay and Brooks are too busy trying to gain rock star status to ever find any actual "improper benefits". Although I think it's becoming blindingly obvious as to what was going on, I'll rest easy as long as these two jackasses are leading the investigation.
I gotta' say there's some truth to this statement.
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The bright side to this is, as long as sportsbybrooks and clay travis are busy stacking it up and jizzing over photos that weren't hard to find, I'm not as concerned as I would be if a major publication was digging. Clay and Brooks are too busy trying to gain rock star status to ever find any actual "improper benefits". Although I think it's becoming blindingly obvious as to what was going on, I'll rest easy as long as these two jackasses are leading the investigation.
Does that group include Thamel and Evans too?
When the Cam stuff first happened, Travis was all over our asses and people (including Finebaum and his redneck callers) swore by him. Funny how now he is just a "hack journalist". You live and die by the same sword.
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Finebaum just said you can get 2 suits from T-Town Menswear for $60-70.
LOLWut?
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Finebaum just said you can get 2 suits from T-Town Menswear for $60-70.
LOLWut?
Well, not you and me. That's the player discount.
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Well, not you and me. That's the player discount.
I think they call it the Sharpie discount.
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Finebaum just said you can get 2 suits from T-Town Menswear for $60-70.
LOLWut?
Roflcopters...
I need to go there and sign some shit.
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Roflcopters...
I need to go there and sign some shit.
Just shows what a good humanitarian this guy is. He is beating Goodwill's prices to clothe the homeless.
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Someone should go in there and tell them you want the two suits for $60 special. When they say WTF, tell them you heard "their ad" on Finebaum.
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Someone should go in there and tell them you want the two suits for $60 special. When they say WTF, tell them you heard "their ad" on Finebaum.
:rofl:
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Does that group include Thamel and Evans too?
When the Cam stuff first happened, Travis was all over our asses and people (including Finebaum and his redneck callers) swore by him. Funny how now he is just a "hack journalist". You live and die by the same sword.
They were hacks then. If they weren't hacks, they'd find some real info, instead of pulling pictures off of a bookface and stating what anyone else can see is painfully obvious. They weren't signing stuff just because they were being friendly. Anyone with any reasoning ability knows there is an "improper benefit" trail there. If Travis and Brooks weren't hacks, they'd find it. Instead, they'll keeping posting pictures that have been available to anyone with a facebook for the last however many months and post blogs about the pictures.
So unless a major publication (who isn't busy trying to pimp their own name) starts digging, or the NCAA decides to actually do something instead of waiting 5 years, this will blow over. But I have no doubts that Tommy the Godfather was doing shit he shouldn't have been doing. But as I said, I'll be shocked if Brooks or Clay find any of it.
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Btw, if you didn't catch it....Coach belittle basically admitted that the players were getting paid and that he doesn't see anything wrong with it. Thumb meet Nose.
The cease and desist letter in December said that Albetar was selling current player autographs.
That didn't convince Saban that something was wrong?
Saban continued: "I also think that we need to take some deeper looks at things like this.
You know one guy posts something negative and it becomes a national story that everybody's interested in but
there's so many good things that we should be talking about relative to college football and all the good things
that are done in college football.
There's nothing sick about it, everything's good about it."
"And I definitely think we should do something to improve the quality of life of the student athletes who are on
scholarship.
I think if we did that maybe we wouldn't have some of these issues where somebody's trying to get 15 bucks
for signing a hat," Saban said.
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Finebaum just said you can get 2 suits from T-Town Menswear for $60-70.
LOLWut?
I bought a pretty decent suit locally for my honeymoon for around $100. I mean, it wasn't like super fucking fancy or anything, but it was a nice looking suit.
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Does that group include Thamel and Evans too?
When the Cam stuff first happened, Travis was all over our asses and people (including Finebaum and his redneck callers) swore by him. Funny how now he is just a "hack journalist". You live and die by the same sword.
And if you think that wasn't one of the reasons this stuff is being spoon fed to them by certain AU fans, you're nuts.
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I bought a pretty decent suit locally for my honeymoon for around $100. I mean, it wasn't like super fucking fancy or anything, but it was a nice looking suit.
$100? I figured a volunteer fire department uniform would run at least $175 (shoes included, of course).
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$100? I figured a volunteer fire department uniform would run at least $175 (shoes included, of course).
*snicker*
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I bought a pretty decent suit locally for my honeymoon for around $100. I mean, it wasn't like super fucking fancy or anything, but it was a nice looking suit.
Your poverty not withstanding, a $100 suit is a world apart from a $30-$35 suit. $100 suits are on the low end, but they at least actually exist outside of yardsales.
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SbB is swingin for the fenses...
http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/why-is-defrocked-ua-booster-partying-with-cody-29800
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Someone should go in there and tell them you want the two suits for $60 special. When they say WTF, tell them you heard "their ad" on Finebaum.
No. Seriously. This is an excellent idea.
Have someone video tape it too.
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They were hacks then. If they weren't hacks, they'd find some real info, instead of pulling pictures off of a bookface and stating what anyone else can see is painfully obvious. They weren't signing stuff just because they were being friendly. Anyone with any reasoning ability knows there is an "improper benefit" trail there. If Travis and Brooks weren't hacks, they'd find it. Instead, they'll keeping posting pictures that have been available to anyone with a facebook for the last however many months and post blogs about the pictures.
So unless a major publication (who isn't busy trying to pimp their own name) starts digging, or the NCAA decides to actually do something instead of waiting 5 years, this will blow over. But I have no doubts that Tommy the Godfather was doing shit he shouldn't have been doing. But as I said, I'll be shocked if Brooks or Clay find any of it.
Unless they want to get ratings in the process. If they do, they would slowly leak this stuff out to keep readers coming back to their site. I know this is what Brooks does. We figured that out with Thayer a long time ago.
Not saying you aren't objective because I think you are. Its the Legends of the world and Jim from Tuscaloosa, that I am talking about in regards to hypocrisy. Travis and Brooks were GREAT when they were digging on Cam. Now that they are digging on Bama players, these same clowns have done a 180 on these 2 guys. Whatever is convenient for them I guess.
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Unless they want to get ratings in the process. If they do, they would slowly leak this stuff out to keep readers coming back to their site. I know this is what Brooks does. We figured that out with Thayer a long time ago.
Not saying you aren't objective because I think you are. Its the Legends of the world and Jim from Tuscaloosa, that I am talking about in regards to hypocrisy. Travis and Brooks were GREAT when they were digging on Cam. Now that they are digging on Bama players, these same clowns have done a 180 on these 2 guys. Whatever is convenient for them I guess.
That's the case with everyone. Scarbinsky "gets it" when he does a slam on Bama, but if he writes something against AU, he's just feeling pressure from the masses.
Like I said, as long as Brooks and Clay are rehashing each other's comments and posting pictures obtained from facebook, I'm not as concerned as I should be.
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That's the case with everyone. Scarbinsky "gets it" when he does a slam on Bama, but if he writes something against AU, he's just feeling pressure from the masses.
Like I said, as long as Brooks and Clay are rehashing each other's comments and posting pictures obtained from facebook, I'm not as concerned as I should be.
Maybe you should be...
The University of Alabama Department of Intercollegiate Athletics is soliciting applications for two Director of Compliance positions.
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Maybe you should be...
The University of Alabama Department of Intercollegiate Athletics is soliciting applications for two Director of Compliance positions.
Yeah, I saw that post earlier. Doesn't mean Clay and Brooks are going to find shit. I have no doubts that players accepted some type of improper benefits for autographs. No doubts at all. I'm still not worried about Clay and Brooks finding it.
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Yes. That's what the "/delivered" part of my statement meant.
I understand your side of it. You want Alabama wiped off the face of the Earth, and you're going to keep digging until you get it. You want this to go really far, and you want anything that even looks negative to be super super illegal. I get it. You have your ideas, and I have mine. You're not going to give Alabama the benefit of the doubt like you would give AU. You're not going to find every logical or even illogical reasoning valid in this case as you would if it concerned AU. I understand that. I'm just on the opposite side of that is all.
Like I said before, I'll take the word of the NCAA what did or didn't happen. Some fairly bold statements have been made by Saban and UA compliance. I would imagine if some of it is false, the NCAA and/or the SEC would be PISSED and fairly quick to call horseshit if something wasn't true. That would take pretty big balls and not alot of intelligence to tell outright lies in the national media when you know the NCAA is looking. Don't you think that would make them want to take a look if somebody was just outright lying, and they knew? If the NCAA doesn't take a look at it based on what UA gives them, then I feel pretty good about UA's compliance department. In the current environment in college football, with something as high profile as this, if the NCAA feels comfortable with the info Alabama's compliance department had gathered, that would have to be a compliment as to how the department operates. I highly highly doubt that will happen, though. I can't imagine that happening at ANY school.
Prowler doesn't work for the NCAA. Neither do you, nor I for that matter. They make the decisions as to what is or isn't illegal. I'm not going to take an Auburn fan's opinion as fact and the last word, just the same as nobody should take an Alabama fan's opinion as fact and the last word. Both sides have their own slant they want to put on it. I'm cool with whatever the NCAA finds in all of this.
Stop looking at my balls...
(http://cbschicago.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/jim-tressel1.jpg?w=420)
FWIW, you goat fucking updyke, sometimes people get to the point they think they are untouchable. Saban-worship will create that monster if it hasn't already. Somebody as ego-driven as that pissant fuck will come to believe that the rules don't apply to him. Seen it happen over and over and over and over and over. It's just a matter of time with your lord and savior, St. Saban. Maybe it's now. Maybe his hubris at this moment will be his undoing. Maybe it comes later. But it's coming. Bank it.
I'm no Danny Sheridan, but I'll give you better than 50/50 odds of that happening. More like 90/10.
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What's going to be an issue as well, are the pictures out now with Tom Al-Betar hosting Trent Richardson to dinner at a hibachi restaurant before the 2010 season.
(http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/8648/44544422315728385266785.jpg)
What's up with the Oregon Duck hand thing sleazy suit and PeanutButter Richardson are doing?
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I bought a pretty decent suit locally for my honeymoon for around $100. I mean, it wasn't like super fucking fancy or anything, but it was a nice looking suit.
No offense, but I wouldn't buy a tie for less than $100.
You wear a suit that costs around $100, you look like you fucked a goat.
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No offense, but I wouldn't buy a tie for less than $100.
Of course you wouldn't. It would have to be diamond encrusted, made of 14 karat gold as well. We know.
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No offense, but I wouldn't buy a tie for less than $100.
You wear a suit that costs around $100, you look like you fucked a goat.
I'd say it looks more like the goat fucked you. But yeah, where do you go to buy a $100 suit anyway? Not that I'd buy one, but I'd like to see who does. It's one of those odd quandaries...if you can wear a $100 suit there, you probably didn't need a suit in the first place.
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y'all be wearing gold-plated diapers
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if you can wear a $100 suit there, you probably didn't need a suit in the first place.
Exactly. What the wife wants, the wife gets. And I haven't worn it since.
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I'd say it looks more like the goat fucked you. But yeah, where do you go to buy a $100 suit anyway? Not that I'd buy one, but I'd like to see who does. It's one of those odd quandaries...if you can wear a $100 suit there, you probably didn't need a suit in the first place.
I've heard you can rent suits for $100 when you have your photo made in front of a cheesy cruise backdrop.
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Exactly. What the wife wants, the wife gets. And I haven't worn it since.
The wife wanted you in a hunnerd dollah suit?
:bugs:
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I've heard you can rent suits for $100 when you have your photo made in front of a cheesy cruise backdrop.
Only if your wife first burns down your apartment.
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Only if your wife first burns down your apartment.
Now that's a blast from the past. :classic:
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I'm not sayin...I'm just sayin...
(http://www.tigersx.com/images/suit.jpg)
BTW is this the $100 suit? Cause to me it clearly looks to be worth $120....$125 tops. :poke:
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y'all be wearing gold-plated diapers
What does that mean?
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I'm not sayin...I'm just sayin...
(http://www.tigersx.com/images/suit.jpg)
BTW is this the $100 suit? Cause to me it clearly looks to be worth $120....$125 tops. :poke:
Who dat?
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Who dat?
It's like someone cut out that figure with scissors and pasted it on.
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It's like someone cut out that figure with scissors and pasted it on.
while running
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while running
Bettah call 911
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:bugs:
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What does that mean?
Cowbell skit from snl.
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Cowbell skit from snl.
No...that's what Chris Katan (sp?) says after the gold plated diapers liine....see, Christopher Walken says, "After we're done, you'll be....
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No...that's what Chris Katan (sp?) says after the gold plated diapers liine....see, Christopher Walken says, "After we're done, you'll be....
Sorry, I couldn't get my own joke. Been a long fucking day, and it's not even 1.
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I'm not sayin...I'm just sayin...
(http://www.tigersx.com/images/suit.jpg)
BTW is this the $100 suit? Cause to me it clearly looks to be worth $120....$125 tops. :poke:
:bamahomer: :haha:
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No...that's what Chris Katan (sp?) says after the gold plated diapers liine....see, Christopher Walken says, "After we're done, you'll be....
How bout you come lay down that cowbell with us....together.
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How bout you come lay down that cowbell with us....together.
I'm tellin' you...fella's....you're gonna' want that cowbell
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I'm tellin' you...fella's....you're gonna' want that cowbell
In memory....
(http://www.myteespot.com/images/Images_d/img_CqJFAu.jpg)
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I'm not sayin...I'm just sayin...
(http://www.tigersx.com/images/suit.jpg)
BTW is this the $100 suit? Cause to me it clearly looks to be worth $120....$125 tops. :poke:
It is. I fucking hate dressing up. Hate. It. Wife loves it. If it were up to me, I would have went to dinner that night in jorts, a cutoff shirt, and let my mullet down.
I thought that pic was bigger than that. I was going to suggest that you should have put Richardson in the background signing shirts or something too. Pretty fucking funny either way.
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It is. I fucking hate dressing up. Hate. It. Wife loves it. If it were up to me, I would have went to dinner that night in jorts, a cutoff shirt, and let my mullet down.
You just wish you HAD a mullet... the best you might do is a skullet...
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That's all party in the back right there.