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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: BZ770 on October 02, 2010, 11:02:45 PM
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They have given this game to Bama giftwrapped all night. I was hoping for a good close battle but an ass whoopin is what i've watched.
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Yes. Their team is garbage. 146 turnovers, no real leader, and their fucking quarterback avenger can't even get the snap exchange right. Pure shit.
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The Espin announcers have dissed us all day by naming Florida as the first real SEC test for Bammer. Fuck them.
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Yes. Their team is garbage. 146 turnovers, no real leader, and their fucking quarterback avenger can't even get the snap exchange right. Pure shit.
And really, to their defense, this is half Meyer's fault. He rode the Tebow horse until it died, didn't develop his team beyond that, and had no plan B for when Tebow left. At least, that's what it looks like, anyway.
1. Pick a QB.
2. Pick an offense.
Seriously, I don't think it has gone beyond that. Alabama was playing some pretty good defense, but Florida shot themselves in the foot ALOT. How much of that Alabama contributed to, I'm not really sure.
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And really, to their defense, this is half Meyer's fault. He rode the Tebow horse until it died, didn't develop his team beyond that, and had no plan B for when Tebow left. At least, that's what it looks like, anyway.
1. Pick a QB.
2. Pick an offense.
Seriously, I don't think it has gone beyond that. Alabama was playing some pretty good defense, but Florida shot themselves in the foot ALOT. How much of that Alabama contributed to, I'm not really sure.
My thoughts exactly.
I'm still unimpressed with SPuat. SPuat's SECOND true test will come next Saturday against USCe...if Garcia doesn't gift wrap the game like Mallet and like UF did all night, then SPuat will have a very long trip home.
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I'm still unimpressed with SPuat. SPuat's SECOND true test will come next Saturday against USCe...if Garcia doesn't gift wrap the game like Mallet and like UF did all night, then SPuat will have a very long trip home.
Pfft. We beat South Carolina's ass and force Garcia turnovers (like Auburn did) and you'll say the same shit next week.
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My thoughts exactly.
I'm still unimpressed with SPuat. SPuat's SECOND true test will come next Saturday against USCe...if Garcia doesn't gift wrap the game like Mallet and like UF did all night, then SPuat will have a very long trip home.
You're living in a dream world! I hate those fuckers with a red hot passion, but they're by far, by a fucking country mile, the most complete team in the SEC. Not as good as last year, only because they lost an NFL defense, an yet...they're fucking gooooooood. The only teams in the country that might be close are Okla. and tOSU, and tOSU struggled a bit today. On a more depressing note...if Auburn had a secondary, we'd be worthy of our top 10 billing. USCe and Auburn may in fact be the only tests Bammer sees this year.
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Florida sucks. This totally sucks for the SEC East because that whole division sucks except for the Cocks, no pun intended. If Spurrier can't get to ATL this year, he needs to retire. I still have concerns for Auburn in playing LSU and Arkansas but I think we can get it done. We are getting better and better each game. Alabama is of the chains right now.
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Florida sucks. This totally sucks for the SEC East because that whole division sucks except for the Cocks, no pun intended. If Spurrier can't get to ATL this year, he needs to retire. I still have concerns for Auburn in playing LSU and Arkansas but I think we can get it done. We are getting better and better each game. Alabama is of the chains right now.
Arkansas was physical against Alabama but Florida looked intimidated. South Carolina is physical but Garcia will have to play the game of his life if the kid can't get loose a few times. Mallett did it for three quarters but I don't think the Gamecocks can hold up.
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You're living in a dream world! I hate those fuckers with a red hot passion, but they're by far, by a fucking country mile, the most complete team in the SEC. Not as good as last year, only because they lost an NFL defense, an yet...they're fucking gooooooood. The only teams in the country that might be close are Okla. and tOSU, and tOSU struggled a bit today. On a more depressing note...if Auburn had a secondary, we'd be worthy of our top 10 billing. USCe and Auburn may in fact be the only tests Bammer sees this year.
Oregon is fa real too.
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Oregon is fa real too.
autzen was rocking last night. stanford just didn't have the depth, especially on the defensive side of the ball.
btw...does anyone in the pac 10 play fricking defense...not in the literal regard, einsteins? even wazzu recorded nearly 400 yards against ucla.
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Oregon is fa real too.
It would seem so, but I have seen even less of them than OU or tOSU, so they slipped my mind.
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The Espin announcers have dissed us all day by naming Florida as the first real SEC test for Bammer. Fuck them.
:haha:
they weren't buying that 5 deep shit either. or..they thought you guys still carried this patch on teh nikes.
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Arkansas was physical against Alabama but Florida looked intimidated. South Carolina is physical but Garcia will have to play the game of his life if the kid can't get loose a few times. Mallett did it for three quarters but I don't think the Gamecocks can hold up.
I agree. For a team that supposedly practiced all spring and summer to beat bama, Florida sure looked like shit.
The one thing about the Cocks is they have a decent run game but Garcia isn't as good as Mallet. They both freak under pressure though.
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:haha:
they weren't buying that 5 deep poop either. or..they thought you guys still carried this patch on teh nikes.
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Arkansas is a handful for anyone, especially Auburn. I don't think Auburn matches up well against them and would rather have Bama at Bryant Denny in a slobberknocker because we know that they want to knock you off the ball while executing just enough play action from the run , limit you on 1st down and force you to beat them in the air. Arkansas is a bit more of a mystery with better overall receivers, a guy that can make all the throws and a coach with an imagination. They can play enough defense to win too.
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Arkansas is a handful for anyone, especially Auburn. I don't think Auburn matches up well against them and would rather have Bama at Bryant Denny in a slobberknocker because we know that they want to knock you off the ball while executing just enough play action from the run , limit you on 1st down and force you to beat them in the air. Arkansas is a bit more of a mystery with better overall receivers, a guy that can make all the throws and a coach with an imagination. They can play enough defense to win too.
Disagree on several points. Ark is all Mallet. They struggled with a poor UGA team. They had a good game plan early vs Bama, but when Bama adjusted, they shut Mallet down with pressure. They either can't or won't run the ball. If that were Auburn's offense, all you'd hear is how we don't have a running game and can't win vs "real SEC teams". Bank on it. Vs 2 SEC teams they've given up 24 points to each. That's not bad vs bammer, but not great defense. UGA wasn't a great offense when they played them, and they gave up 14 4th Q points to UGA. Mallet will get his yards, but WE WILL get our pressure too. Ingram and Richardson combined for 32 carries and around 260 rushing yards, and bammer scored 10 4th Q points. Vs Bammer and UGA they were outscored 34-17 in the second half. UGA may very well have beaten them if they had Greene. For Ark to beat us the way we stand now, Mallet will have to do it all by himself, and that will only happen if they figure out how to keep us from getting pressure on him. IF they can protect Mallet, an IF they can stop our run game...then they beat us...Honestly, I'm not sure they can do ALL that. Malzahn has made some nice tweeks in the run game, and is giving folks lots to look at and think about. We have speed in McCaleb, power in Dyer, and Both in Cam.
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Oh, and this just in, Cam aint one dimensional either. He's #2 in the nation in pass efficiency, and in 5 games with 12 passing TDs is over half way to beating Chris Todd's single season TD record, and only has 4 INTs.
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Disagree on several points. Ark is all Mallet. They struggled with a poor UGA team. They had a good game plan early vs Bama, but when Bama adjusted, they shut Mallet down with pressure. They either can't or won't run the ball. If that were Auburn's offense, all you'd hear is how we don't have a running game and can't win vs "real SEC teams". Bank on it. Vs 2 SEC teams they've given up 24 points to each. That's not bad vs bammer, but not great defense. UGA wasn't a great offense when they played them, and they gave up 14 4th Q points to UGA. Mallet will get his yards, but WE WILL get our pressure too. Ingram and Richardson combined for 32 carries and around 260 rushing yards, and bammer scored 10 4th Q points. Vs Bammer and UGA they were outscored 34-17 in the second half. UGA may very well have beaten them if they had Greene. For Ark to beat us the way we stand now, Mallet will have to do it all by himself, and that will only happen if they figure out how to keep us from getting pressure on him. IF they can protect Mallet, an IF they can stop our run game...then they beat us...Honestly, I'm not sure they can do ALL that. Malzahn has made some nice tweeks in the run game, and is giving folks lots to look at and think about. We have speed in McCaleb, power in Dyer, and Both in Cam.
And that is it in a nutshell. Mallet will have nightmares of Fairley for a week.
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There seems to be a sudden pooppotful of confidence in our ability to cover.
Arky throws!
We stop THE RUN!
They are very similar to last year in personnel and what they do.
What we do better this year is adjust.
But look at the come from behind wins against the SEC.
Forget ArkyState and LaMonroe- they just provide reps and stats.
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There seems to be a sudden pooppotful of confidence in our ability to cover.
Arky throws!
We stop THE RUN!
They are very similar to last year in personnel and what they do.
What we do better this year is adjust.
But look at the come from behind wins against the SEC.
Forget ArkyState and LaMonroe- they just provide reps and stats.
Being one dimensional helps us.
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Ark is all Mallet.
We are not all Mallett. He distributes the ball. Our receivers are the weapon.
I am disappointed with our run production. We have some "good" backs, but they aren't getting it done so far. We really miss Dennis Johnson. Green has been getting most of the carries, but he's in the game mainly because he is the best pass blocker of our backs. Knile Davis should be getting the ball more. He's a hard runner. Wingo has been dancing around if a run up the line is called.
I'm hoping that we used the bye week to work on the rushing situation. BMFP ain't no dummy and he knows what the problem is.
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We are not all Mallett. He distributes the ball. Our receivers are the weapon.
I am disappointed with our run production. We have some "good" backs, but they aren't getting it done so far. We really miss Dennis Johnson. Green has been getting most of the carries, but he's in the game mainly because he is the best pass blocker of our backs. Knile Davis should be getting the ball more. He's a hard runner. Wingo has been dancing around if a run up the line is called.
I'm hoping that we used the bye week to work on the rushing situation. BMFP ain't no dummy and he knows what the problem is.
AU's concern should be Kentucky but since the discussion has evolved... your team rushed for 130 per last season. Wingo is an asset out of the backfield similar to Fannin. Sure you miss Johnson but I know Arky had Bama on the ropes after the first half, something that probably won't occur again this season. Yes there were mistakes at the end. But they used that mulligan once already and I'm not as confident about our coverage and Arky's impending failure when Mallett could throw 50 passes.
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There seems to be a sudden pooppotful of confidence in our ability to cover.
Arky throws!
We stop THE RUN!
They are very similar to last year in personnel and what they do.
What we do better this year is adjust.
But look at the come from behind wins against the SEC.
Forget ArkyState and LaMonroe- they just provide reps and stats.
You apparently missed the part where I said that Mallet will get his yards. I don't think you can be completely one dimensional and win at a high level. They can't play keep away from Cam. We will score. Mallet has to carry them...I don't think he can AND they stop our offense too.
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AU's concern should be Kentucky but since the discussion has evolved...
I'm sure they are since they're the next team. But as War Eagle reminded me last week...we aren't the one's preparing for a game. Since you mention it though, Kentucky isn't very good. They've only beat BAD teams, and lost badly to decent teams. Actually, of the coming weeks, I honestly believe Ole Miss will be our biggest challenge. They''re improving, and like us, have a multi-talented QB. Getting pressure on Masoli is only half the battle. He can still make you pay. Mark my words, Ole Miss is getting better each week.
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We are not all Mallett. He distributes the ball. Our receivers are the weapon.
I am disappointed with our run production. We have some "good" backs, but they aren't getting it done so far. We really miss Dennis Johnson. Green has been getting most of the carries, but he's in the game mainly because he is the best pass blocker of our backs. Knile Davis should be getting the ball more. He's a hard runner. Wingo has been dancing around if a run up the line is called.
I'm hoping that we used the bye week to work on the rushing situation. BMFP ain't no dummy and he knows what the problem is.
Mallet is carrying this Ark. team. Ark is like 109 in Rush Offense. This is not to say that a one dimensional team can't beat Auburn, Mallet could have the game of his life, and likely our secondary will make him look at his best...I just think that the lack of run game will cause too many 2nd and 3rd and long situations that pressure will be had on him, and mistakes made by him.
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Mallet is carrying this Ark. team. Ark is like 109 in Rush Offense. This is not to say that a one dimensional team can't beat Auburn, Mallet could have the game of his life, and likely our secondary will make him look at his best...I just think that the lack of run game will cause too many 2nd and 3rd and long situations that pressure will be had on him, and mistakes made by him.
I think defense will win this game. Our defense has jumped from last in the SEC last year to the top half this year.
Yall's defense is good against the run, but we don't do that very well so far anyways. Yall haven't been tested in the secondary like you will against us.
Likewise, our secondary is suspect, but we are pretty fair against the run. I'm thinking Cam will have to beat us with his arm. He showed that that is possible yesterday. It'll be a damn good game between two top ten teams when it rolls around.
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My thoughts exactly.
I'm still unimpressed with SPuat. SPuat's SECOND true test will come next Saturday against USCe...if Garcia doesn't gift wrap the game like Mallet and like UF did all night, then SPuat will have a very long trip home.
If you're unimpressed with Alabama at this point, then you have to be unimpressed with Auburn. And that's not meant to put AU down either. For that matter, UA and AU are playing the best ball out of the entire conference, with USCe coming in after that. Stop being a homer.
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For that matter, UA and AU are playing the best ball out of the entire conference, with USCe coming in after that. Stop being a homer.
Let's see who plays Bama closer than we did. I'm impressed with yall's team this year. If yall lose, yall will beat yourselves somehow. It can happen. Watch out for Ole Miss, that crazy bastard there pulls some shit sometimes.
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Mallet is carrying this Ark. team. Ark is like 109 in Rush Offense. This is not to say that a one dimensional team can't beat Auburn, Mallet could have the game of his life, and likely our secondary will make him look at his best...I just think that the lack of run game will cause too many 2nd and 3rd and long situations that pressure will be had on him, and mistakes made by him.
No one can or should argue that Mallett carries Arkansas, but if you check out the Red Cup Rebellion you can get the true line score of Ole Miss and Kentucky. I listened to the 1st half on my way through Mississippi and it was anything but a shining victory for the Rebs-who suck! Block Jerrel Powe! That's it. Masoli struggles still. I have no doubt that he can improve but Kentucky gave that one away.
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No one can or should argue that Mallett carries Arkansas, but if you check out the Red Cup Rebellion you can get the true line score of Ole Miss and Kentucky. I listened to the 1st half on my way through Mississippi and it was anything but a shining victory for the Rebs-who suck! Block Jerrel Powe! That's it. Masoli struggles still. I have no doubt that he can improve but Kentucky gave that one away.
KY's 3 turnovers gave Ole Miss the ball on a short field for TDs. Nutt is Les Miles lucky. 21 point schwing right there and Ole Miss wins by 7.
I hope Gus hangs 9 touchdowns on Nutts ass this year.
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KY's 3 turnovers gave Ole Miss the ball on a short field for TDs. Nutt is Les Miles lucky. 21 point schwing right there and Ole Miss wins by 7.
I hope Gus hangs 9 touchdowns on Nutts ass this year.
I hope Gus turns into a heartless bastard on the 30th of October myself.
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Let's see who plays Bama closer than we did. I'm impressed with yall's team this year. If yall lose, yall will beat yourselves somehow. It can happen. Watch out for Ole Miss, that crazy bastard there pulls some shit sometimes.
I'm thinking USCe might play us close, much like last year. Last year, their defense was a top 20 defense. This year, it's fairly mediocre. I think they will play a little over their heads, especially with being at home. Their offense hasn't improved all that much. I guess it just depends on which Alabama team we get; the team that came out against Arkansas, or the team that came out against Florida. I do think that we will be able to get good pressure on Garcia, as our primary pass rushers are getting healthy.
Something I've noticed is that it seems as if more emphasis is being put on pushing the pocket on the QB and pressuring him into INTs instead of sacking him. This can be good, and bad I suppose. It seems to be working out fairly well so far. We also have the best pass efficiency in the SEC, and 3rd best in the country. The pass defense as a whole is 50th in the country, and 7th in the SEC. Obvious room for improvement, but not horrible for a secondary made up of true freshmen and sophomores, and losing 13 guys out of your 2 deep on defense.
As far as Nutt goes, I just don't think Ole Miss has it in them this season. I don't think he has the team with him. I don't see any way they come to Tuscaloosa and leave with a win. He is one crazy bastard, and that's usually why that game worries me. I'm just not seeing an issue this season.
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Something else, while I am rambling......
Why the hell is it that Marquis Maze can come in and throw a perfect ball on the fade route to the corner of the end zone, but McElroy overthrows it every damn time???
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Something else, while I am rambling......
Why the hell is it that Marquis Maze can come in and throw a perfect ball on the fade route to the corner of the end zone, but McElroy overthrows it every damn time???
Red assed luck.
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Red assed luck.
Has to be. Maze played some QB in HS, but McElroy is a QB....right now. Aggrivates the living crap out of me because we throw that fade to Julio at least once a game, if not 3 times.
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Actually, of the coming weeks, I honestly believe Ole Miss will be our biggest challenge. They''re improving, and like us, have a multi-talented QB. Getting pressure on Masoli is only half the battle. He can still make you pay. Mark my words, Ole Miss is getting better each week.
Funny, I said the exact same thing last week.. I said knowing our luck we will get through UK, ARKy and LSWho and then get beat by Ole Piss.
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RWS, I think you will probably destroy USCe this week. The key to them is pressure Garcia and that is y'all best feature.
As for Florida, while I do think bama is a very good team, Florida is a team struggling for an identity. Urban Cryer was out-coached IN EVERY FACET OF THE GAME by $aban pure and simple. I think the dumbest series in the game was Myer going for the TD at the beginning of the game. It gave bama all the momentum they needed.
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I know this make come across has an Auburn homer but I seriously think that the only real test bama will have the rest of the season is we play them. The funny thing about that is some of the teams bama will have played are some of the same that will be test for us. Some of that of course is contributed to the fact we haven't beat those teams in a couple of years.
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Funny, I said the exact same thing last week.. I said knowing our luck we will get through UK, ARKy and LSWho and then get beat by Ole Piss.
I agree with both of you. Ole Miss losing to Jackie State and Vanderbilly was the worst thing that could have happened to everyone else on their schedule.
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RWS, I think you will probably destroy USCe this week. The key to them is pressure Garcia and that is y'all best feature.
As for Florida, while I do think bama is a very good team, Florida is a team struggling for an identity. Urban Cryer was out-coached IN EVERY FACET OF THE GAME by $aban pure and simple. I think the dumbest series in the game was Myer going for the TD at the beginning of the game. It gave bama all the momentum they needed.
I will call it like this, bammer beats them by 17 at least.
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I will call it like this, bammer beats them by 17 at least.
AU lined up and rammed it down the Cock's throats (It just moved when I typed that for some reason) for over 330 yards. I believe Bama can just pound Ingram and Richardson at them all night and win by 2-3 scores.
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I agree with all of the above posts, but I think USCe will be the best team that Alabama has played this far. Let me explain. Good Defense, Decent QB, great Running Back. Any one of the teams that Alabama has played thus far is lacking horribly in at least one of those categories.
I still think Alabama wins, but probably by only 3 - 10.
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I know this make come across has an Auburn homer but I seriously think that the only real test bama will have the rest of the season is we play them. The funny thing about that is some of the teams bama will have played are some of the same that will be test for us. Some of that of course is contributed to the fact we haven't beat those teams in a couple of years.
I could go with this. Like I said, Bama and AU are playing head and shoulders above the rest of the conference right now. I think it would be awesome to have two top 10 teams playing in the Iron Bowl for the West.....as long as we win. :poke:
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I still think Alabama wins, but probably by only 3 - 10.
You should be in Vegas.
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I'm with Snaggle here. If we can ram it for 300+ yards, I see no reason why Ingram and Richardson can't do that and then some. Plus their D is a little better than ours and blitzing is their game. I don't see SC pulling this one off. They just aren't physical enough. As simp said, I really think we are the only thing that can MAYBE do something with Bama. I still think we are a year away from lining up with Bama and punching them in the mouth. We will have to use a little misdirection, etc ala last year. Just my .02.
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Back to the subject of this thread:
I hope that Gene & Co. are taking notes on life after Tebow at UF. Life after Cam may be very similar in two years.
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Back to the subject of this thread:
I hope that Gene & Co. are taking notes on life after Tebow at UF. Life after Cam may be very similar in two years.
I think they are, he is called Kiehl Frazier.
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I think they are, he is called Kiehl Frazier.
True, but Brantley wasn't supposed to be a slouch. He's just not Tebow, yet UF is keeping the playbook the same as if he's still there.
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True, but Brantley wasn't supposed to be a slouch. He's just not Tebow, yet UF is keeping the playbook the same as if he's still there.
Also Trotter aint slow of feet either. I get what you're saying though. Its almost like Meyer woke up and said "Oh shit, Tebow is gone". You can tell what their intentions are and that is Burton, Burton and Burton. Brantley is flopping and Florida has no RB; they have like one offensive threat with a shit load of "talent".
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and Florida has no RB
B-I-N-G-O
Give this man a cookie. That is Florida's real problem. See Tebow has been Florida's running back for the past 4 years. Sure they have Demps who is a speedster, but when you play in the SEC, so is the defense you are playing against. You can only carry the ball around end so many times. Burton has talent, but he doesn't have Tebows size, he can't rush up the middle like Tebow could. Case in point that 4th and Goal while a stupid decision, I think would have been a great one if TIMMAY was there, in fact he probably would have scored on third down.
Florida is not built to be a come from behind team, bammer was able to pin it's ears back and put pressure on Brantley. Florida fans were so high on Brantley and he has been ok, however they forgot he was never a starter in the SEC before, BIG difference!
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B-I-N-G-O
Give this man a cookie. That is Florida's real problem. See Tebow has been Florida's running back for the past 4 years. Sure they have Demps who is a speedster, but when you play in the SEC, so is the defense you are playing against. You can only carry the ball around end so many times. Burton has talent, but he doesn't have Tebows size, he can't rush up the middle like Tebow could. Case in point that 4th and Goal while a stupid decision, I think would have been a great one if TIMMAY was there, in fact he probably would have scored on third down.
Florida is not built to be a come from behind team, bammer was able to pin it's ears back and put pressure on Brantley. Florida fans were so high on Brantley and he has been ok, however they forgot he was never a starter in the SEC before, BIG difference!
Demps is the fastest College Athlete in the country - on a track. Yes, he has broken some great breakaway runs, but he doesnt seem agile or "game" fast like a Bo Jackson or Devin Hester. Just my .02. I think he is overrated. On top of that, he is banged up. He is very much to Fla like Tim Carter was to us or Holliday was to LSU.
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Give this man a cookie.
I'll take a pot brownie instead.
All great points. This is why I hope they scrape by an back into the SEC game so we can whip their asses. I think Meyers is starting to figure out that those scat backs he cruited at Utah isn't gonna cut it in the SEC. He would be better off taking one of his LB'ers and letting him tote the rock some. Two points I would like to add to yours; Florida seems to have no team chemistry or do they have a team leader.
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Bet they wish Cam hadn't gotten away.
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Bet they wish Cam hadn't gotten away.
had the exact same thought.
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True, but Brantley wasn't supposed to be a slouch. He's just not Tebow, yet UF is keeping the playbook the same as if he's still there.
Really? You've seen Brantley rush the ball the same amount of times, and on the same plays as Tebow? Serously?
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Really? You've seen Brantley rush the ball the same amount of times, and on the same plays as Tebow? Serously?
They are still running the option constantly, despite the fact that Brantley can't run or pitch the ball. He may not tuck and run as often as Tebow did, but the play book appears to be mostly unchanged. Let the man drop back more often than not.
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They are still running the option constantly, despite the fact that Brantley can't run or pitch the ball. He may not tuck and run as often as Tebow did, but the play book appears to be mostly unchanged. Let the man drop back more often than not.
This. That's exactly what a sports writer that covers UF football said this morning on our local sports talk show.
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They are still running the option constantly, despite the fact that Brantley can't run or pitch the ball. He may not tuck and run as often as Tebow did, but the play book appears to be mostly unchanged. Let the man drop back more often than not.
This. That's exactly what a sports writer that covers UF football said this morning on our local sports talk show.
Well that settles it...a sports writer said so.
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Well that settles it...a sports writer said so.
Can't believe ESPN isn't knocking your door down, since you know more than all other sportwriters.
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Can't believe ESPN isn't knocking your door down, since you know more than all other sportwriters.
Did I say I knew anything?
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Well that settles it...a sports writer said so.
Nope. But I'd say someone who covers Florida on a daily basis has a pretty good idea. Better than anyone on an Auburn board.
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:popcorn:
Scoot over GF. :popcorn:
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Nope. But I'd say someone who covers Florida on a daily basis has a pretty good idea. Better than anyone on an Auburn board.
I'm not the one that declared Urban Meyer's playbook unchanged here. I asked IF Brantley was running as much. His 20 rushing attempts on the season say he's not running quite as often as Tebow did. SOMETHING has changed. I think I can safely stand on that assertion, and not need a sports writer's input to confirm it.
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Hey Snaggle, JR called you a pussy. :pot:
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And, the option is an integral part of what Meyer does offensively...you won't ever see it disappear from his offense. Not in the near future anyway.
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Hey Snaggle, JR called you a pussy. :pot:
So did my wife, but let's leave her out of this.
I'd say Meyer probably hasn't changed a thing to accomodate Brantley. Chris Leak ran a total of 77 times for 30 yards in 96'. They won the MNC that year but had quite a few more weapons than the current edition of the Gayters and I think that's the argument. Without a potent running game and QB far better suited to drop back passing than running the option, Meyer should rethink his offense to an extent and play to his strengths more.
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Nope. But I'd say someone who covers Florida on a daily basis has a pretty good idea. Better than anyone on an Auburn board.
Just to put an end to my little :poke: fest...I'd say Meyer's playbook is most likely largely unchanged, though he did some passing game consulting in the off season. Fans bitching about his playbook won't change that either. Meyer does what he does, and he won't quit anytime soon.
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And, here's proof...
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Headlinin-John-Brantley-s-OK-folks-and-he-s-?urn=ncaaf-274942
Wed Oct 06 04:54am PDT
Headlinin': John Brantley's OK, folks, and he's going to keep running
By Matt Hinton
Making the morning rounds.
• Appetite for destruction. Florida quarterback John Brantley is "a little sore" after taking a beating in last Saturday's 31-6 snuff film at Alabama, but Tuesday's rumors of a serious rib injury were greatly exaggerated. Brantley expects to play this weekend against LSU – and to continue running the same conservative spread option attack that has Gator fans tied in knots, according to offensive coordinator Steve Addazio: "[The option] is a part of who we are and that won't change," Addazio said Tuesday. "The element is there and that element will always be there." Even if it gets our big, slow, classic pocket passer killed in the process. We're not changing centers, either. Deal. [Orlando Sentinel, Gainesville Sun]
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And, here's proof...
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Headlinin-John-Brantley-s-OK-folks-and-he-s-?urn=ncaaf-274942
Wait, I'm confused. Doesn't this support exactly what you ridiculed me for saying?
-They're going to continue running the spread option.
-"Even if it gets our big, slow, classic pocket passer killed in the process."
How is this not exactly what I said to begin with?
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Wait, I'm confused. Doesn't this support exactly what you ridiculed me for saying?
-They're going to continue running the spread option.
-"Even if it gets our big, slow, classic pocket passer killed in the process."
How is this not exactly what I said to begin with?
You missed my :poke: son.
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" Even if it gets our big, slow, classic pocket passer killed in the process."
I know this was said tongue-in-cheek, but probably not a wise remark.
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I know this was said tongue-in-cheek, but probably not a wise remark.
I believe that was from the Orlando Sentinel writer, not a direct quote from Addazio. I had to reread as well.
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I know this was said tongue-in-cheek, but probably not a wise remark.
Eh...just a coach stating that they're going to continue to dance with the one that brung them. Coaches don't overahaul their schemes to suit fan's whims. They tweak them to suite talent, but never get away from what it is they know how to do and coach.
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I believe that was from the Orlando Sentinel writer, not a direct quote from Addazio. I had to reread as well.
Yeah see that now, the quotes actually stop.
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Yeah see that now, the quotes actually stop.
Yes, it was the OS's editorial comments on Addazio telling them that they were doing what they do.
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Yes, it was the OS's editorial comments on Addazio telling them that they were doing what they do.
They can't do what they do. Only we can do what we do.
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It's really a good example of what Aubie 16 said the other day about Leach's, Franklin's (and his protege Neal Brown), and Dana Holgerson's systems being "totally different. They're the same offense, being called by different play callers with different talent sets. It's Meyer's offense, being run by Addazzio instead of Mullen (who helped Meyer create it), and without Tebow. It aint working quite as well as it has in the recent past, but they're not going to abandon it because the fans think they should.
Meyer's passing game has never been regarded as especially ingenious. He had Leach in during the off-season to consult n the passing game, and I've seen them run a few plays that look familiar to Leach's offense, but can't honestly say they didn't have them in the playbook already.
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It's really a good example of what Aubie 16 said the other day about Leach's, Franklin's (and his protege Neal Brown), and Dana Holgerson's systems being "totally different. They're the same offense, being called by different play callers with different talent sets. It's Meyer's offense, being run by Addazzio instead of Mullen (who helped Meyer create it), and without Tebow. It aint working quite as well as it has in the recent past, but they're not going to abandon it because the fans think they should.
Meyer's passing game has never been regarded as especially ingenious. He had Leach in during the off-season to consult n the passing game, and I've seen them run a few plays that look familiar to Leach's offense, but can't honestly say they didn't have them in the playbook already.
Personally, I think this is my problem with the spread offense. It relies to much on the QB, from making appropriate reads, to running, to passing, to the option. If you have the QB that can handle it you look like an offensive genius, if you don't well you might score 6 points. This is my problem with us having it, your coordinators better do a bang up job at finding "REAL" talent to run the system. Because there are a lot more Kodi Burns, Jordan Jefferson's, and Tyrik Rollison's out there than the Tebow's and Newton's.
The spread can be exciting to watch, but to be honest, personally, I prefer the pro-style type offense where you ask your QB to manage a game, make the throws when needed and put a hat on hat. To me it is sure as hell a lot easier to fill in a QB for that then the spread, but then again what do I know.
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Personally, I think this is my problem with the spread offense. It relies to much on the QB, from making appropriate reads, to running, to passing, to the option. If you have the QB that can handle it you look like an offensive genius, if you don't well you might score 6 points. This is my problem with us having it, your coordinators better do a bang up job at finding "REAL" talent to run the system. Because there are a lot more Kodi Burns, Jordan Jefferson's, and Tyrik Rollison's out there than the Tebow's and Newton's.
The spread can be exciting to watch, but to be honest, personally, I prefer the pro-style type offense where you ask your QB to manage a game, make the throws when needed and put a hat on hat. To me it is sure as hell a lot easier to fill in a QB for that then the spread, but then again what do I know.
Florida's and Auburn's offenses, if you looked at them on paper, wouldn't look much different. But Meyer approaches the game differently. Clearly, like last year with Todd, our offensive coordinator's mindset is a bit more flexible in having a pro-style QB. Personally, I think EVERY coach would love to have a run threat QB, even those that don't use it as part of their offense. I do understand your issues, but it would be my assertion that it's easier to find an Athlete that can play QB competently and help with his athletic ability, than it is to find a pure pro-style QB that can be coached to do the things you want him to do properly. Obviously the Tebows and Cams (not putting Cam on Tebow's level...yet) of the world are few and far between, as are the Peyton Mannings of the world.
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It's really a good example of what Aubie 16 said the other day about Leach's, Franklin's (and his protege Neal Brown), and Dana Holgerson's systems being "totally different. They're the same offense, being called by different play callers with different talent sets. It's Meyer's offense, being run by Addazzio instead of Mullen (who helped Meyer create it), and without Tebow. It aint working quite as well as it has in the recent past, but they're not going to abandon it because the fans think they should.
Meyer's passing game has never been regarded as especially ingenious. He had Leach in during the off-season to consult n the passing game, and I've seen them run a few plays that look familiar to Leach's offense, but can't honestly say they didn't have them in the playbook already.
Just an armchair opinion.....(since we all know that is all I can give :rimshot:)
It's almost like UF has two offenses. One when Brantley is the QB, and one when Burton is the QB. When Burton comes in, they call Tebow-like plays. When Brantly comes in, it's a mixed up abortion of Tebow-like plays and drop back passing. I think part of the problem is they are fucking with the QBs too much. When you have two talented QBs, using a two QB system works well. But when you have two mediocre to not-so-great QBs, then I just don't see that working out too well. Brantley looked pretty good when he could drop back and pass from the pocket. Not so much on any dive plays, option, jump pass, etc.
I guess it's sorta like I said after the game......pick a QB, and pick an offense. What is your offense's strength going to be? What is it going to be known for? It just looked like the offense didn't really have any direction, they didn't feel confident in what they were doing, could do a lot of different things, but none of them very well.