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Hypocricy Is Thy Name Part II

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Hypocricy Is Thy Name Part II
« on: April 03, 2009, 02:08:58 PM »
Fanni and Freddie Bonuses????  We should march on DC and demand the resignation of EVERY member of congress and start over from scratch!

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123739512036672809.html


Fannie Is Handing Out Its Own Sizable Retention Payouts Article
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 more in Politics »By JAMES R. HAGERTY and AARON LUCCHETTI
More financial companies that are being propped up with federal money are facing political heat over bonus payments to executives.

Fannie Mae is due to pay retention bonuses of between $470,000 and $611,000 this year to some executives, despite enormous losses at the government-backed mortgage company. Fannie's main rival, Freddie Mac, also plans to pay such bonuses but hasn't yet provided details.

Fannie's bonuses are smaller than ones paid by American International Group Inc. that have caused a political firestorm for that company. Seventy-three AIG executives received retention payments of $1 million or more recently, according to New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo.

But the Fannie bonuses are still considerable and come at a time when Fannie and Freddie are receiving increasing amounts of funding from the Treasury. For 2008, Fannie and Freddie reported combined losses of about $108 billion, largely stemming from a surge in home-mortgage defaults. The Treasury has agreed to provide as much as $200 billion of capital apiece to Fannie and Freddie in exchange for preferred stock. The two companies have said they will need a combined $60 billion of that money to cover their losses so far.

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Should Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac employees accept their retention bonuses?
Bonuses for executives at companies that have received federal backing are "definitely wrong," said Rep. Edolphus Towns, a New York Democrat. "They are rewarding folks who have not done a good job." Rep. Towns also questioned whether executives would bolt if they didn't get retention bonuses. "Where are these people going?" he asked. "Everybody's laying off."

On Tuesday, Sen. Robert Menendez (D., N.J.) wrote to Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, asking him to "use every legal means available" to stop $3 billion in previously disclosed retention payments to brokers at the new joint venture being formed by Morgan Stanley and Citigroup Inc.'s Smith Barney unit.

"These payouts constitute misuse of taxpayer money and are an insult to hardworking families who are saving every penny," wrote Sen. Menendez.

Morgan responded in a statement that the payments aren't bonuses, but loans that won't start paying until 2010 and cannot be kept in full unless the broker stays at the firm for nine years. "The program is necessary because our financial advisers are being poached by competitors," the statement added.

The venture will be jointly owned by Morgan and Citigroup, both of which have taken an investment from the U.S. government after they ran into trouble during the credit crisis. But unlike some of the people who have received bonuses at AIG, the brokers getting extra money at the new Morgan Stanley Smith Barney haven't been directly involved with billions of dollars in write-downs at their parent companies.

James Lockhart, director of the Federal Housing Finance Agency, or FHFA, which regulates Fannie and Freddie, said the bonuses they are paying are "critical" to retain people needed to support the mortgage market and work on foreclosure-prevention efforts. After the companies' chief executives were ousted in September, "it would have been catastrophic to lose the next layers down and other highly experienced employees," he said. Mr. Lockhart added that compensation has declined for many employees because other types of bonuses weren't paid last year, and "past stock grants are virtually worthless."

A recent Fannie securities filing, providing details on a bonus plan announced last year, says that Michael Williams, the company's chief operating officer, is due to receive cash retention awards of $611,000 this year, atop a similar award of $260,000 in 2008. His base salary is $676,000 a year.

The company also disclosed plans to pay retention awards this year of $517,000 to David Hisey and $470,000 each to Thomas Lund and Kenneth Bacon. All three are executive vice presidents.

The bonuses this year are to be paid in two installments, one in April and the second in November. Those installments are to be paid only if the executives remain in their posts at the payment dates.

Hundreds of other Fannie employees also are eligible for retention awards, but the company disclosed only the largest of the bonuses. It said there are no plans for a retention bonus for CEO Herbert Allison, who elected to serve without any salary or bonus in 2008.

Write to James R. Hagerty at bob.hagerty@wsj.com and Aaron Lucchetti at aaron.lucchetti
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Re: Hypocricy Is Thy Name Part II
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2009, 03:25:18 PM »
Fanni and Freddie Bonuses????  We should march on DC and demand the resignation of EVERY member of congress and start over from scratch!

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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123739512036672809.html


Wow.  Again, I don't know how these people can sleep at night.  And I could not agree with you more AUTR about throwing all of these bums out on their fat assess!

I mean no offense to you by posting this link

http://tigersx.net/forum/index.php?topic=5124.0

I had made mention on this thread (see above) that Fannie and Freddie were considering paying out bonuses but after all of the vilifying of AIG lately I thought that they'd never have the brazen temerity and gall to actually pay themselves bonuses.

It was amusing to read Sen. Menendez (Dgs*-NJ) actually quoted in this article railing against bonuses paid by another bail-out company (Morgan-Stanley SmithBarney, JV) saying "These payouts constitute misuse of taxpayer money and are an insult to hardworking families who are saving every penny".

Throw the bums out!

*Edit: broke one of my own axioms there...should have written "gs" for "godless socialist" as opposed to just "s" (or "D" for that matter).
« Last Edit: April 03, 2009, 04:20:26 PM by Tarheel »
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Re: Hypocricy Is Thy Name Part II
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2009, 03:49:34 PM »
Throw the bums out!
It's beyond that.  Now, it may be time to hunt them down and kill them.  And, YES I said it!  It's time for another revolution.  And, I might even let the Liberterians have their pot as long as I can have my free market enterprise, but Social Security and government entitlements have to go.  No healthcare...  No welfare...  None of that shit...  So there!
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My rule of life prescribed as an absolutely sacred rite smoking cigars and also the drinking of alcohol before, after and if need be during all meals and in the intervals between them.  - Winston Churchill

Eating and sleeping are the only activities that should be allowed to interrupt a man's enjoyment of his cigar.  - Mark Twain

Nothing says "Obey Me" like a bloody head on a fence post!  - Stewie Griffin

"Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others."  - Ayn Rand

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Re: Hypocricy Is Thy Name Part II
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2009, 03:58:49 PM »
It's beyond that.  Now, it may be time to hunt them down and kill them.  And, YES I said it!  It's time for another revolution.  And, I might even let the Liberterians have their pot as long as I can have my free market enterprise, but Social Security and government entitlements have to go.  No healthcare...  No welfare...  None of that shit...  So there!

Amen to that, Brother!

SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS!
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The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me. 
-Ayn Rand

The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
-The Right Honourable Margaret Thatcher

The government solution to a problem is usually as bad as the problem.
-Milton Friedman

The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'
-Ronald Reagan

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
-Thomas Jefferson

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Re: Hypocricy Is Thy Name Part II
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2009, 08:25:16 AM »
It's beyond that.  Now, it may be time to hunt them down and kill them.  And, YES I said it!  It's time for another revolution.  And, I might even let the Liberterians have their pot as long as I can have my free market enterprise, but Social Security and government entitlements have to go.  No healthcare...  No welfare...  None of that shit...  So there!

So I get pot AND free market enterprise? 

Throw in the FairTax and I'll follow you anywhere.
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Re: Hypocricy Is Thy Name Part II
« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2009, 01:30:24 PM »
So I get pot AND free market enterprise? 

Throw in the FairTax and I'll follow you anywhere.

Consider it done!
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My rule of life prescribed as an absolutely sacred rite smoking cigars and also the drinking of alcohol before, after and if need be during all meals and in the intervals between them.  - Winston Churchill

Eating and sleeping are the only activities that should be allowed to interrupt a man's enjoyment of his cigar.  - Mark Twain

Nothing says "Obey Me" like a bloody head on a fence post!  - Stewie Griffin

"Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others."  - Ayn Rand