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« Reply #40 on: November 29, 2022, 03:40:43 PM »
Fuck this.

I'm not out (for the family, friends and community), but I'm not fucking in (for bucktooth mcfucksploosh). 

This guy is a shit-sucking huckster without half a resume that would justify the beclowning we're taking for the hire.

It's another stupid, short-sighted, foot-shot of a decision and Auburn football will suffer for it.

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« Reply #41 on: November 29, 2022, 04:14:18 PM »
Fuck this.

I'm not out (for the family, friends and community), but I'm not fucking in (for bucktooth mcfucksploosh). 

This guy is a shit-sucking huckster without half a resume that would justify the beclowning we're taking for the hire.

It's another stupid, short-sighted, foot-shot of a decision and Auburn football will suffer for it.

He's no Chad Morris, I'll grant you that.

Again, not my first choice, or second, or third for that matter.  As I said multiple times when Breland Hisvrinz was let go, I thought Auburn finally needed to go big splash.  Find the biggest names out there and don't take no for an answer.  Make the college football world sit up and take notice.

This wasn't it.

But, I think the guy is a solid coach.  Not great, but solid.  He's won wherever he's been, and I'm interested to see what he can do when he has everything a coach could ever need at his disposal. 

As far as the beclowning, even Finebaum said a week from now, nobody will be saying a word about it.  And remember, there are still plenty of peeps outside of Auburn who think Bruce Pearl is the huckster, and everything wrong with college sports. But he wins.  Same with Freeze.  If he wins, who gives a fuck?
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« Reply #42 on: November 29, 2022, 04:36:04 PM »
He's no Chad Morris, I'll grant you that.

Again, not my first choice, or second, or third for that matter.  As I said multiple times when Breland Hisvrinz was let go, I thought Auburn finally needed to go big splash.  Find the biggest names out there and don't take no for an answer.  Make the college football world sit up and take notice.

This wasn't it.

But, I think the guy is a solid coach.  Not great, but solid.  He's won wherever he's been, and I'm interested to see what he can do when he has everything a coach could ever need at his disposal. 

As far as the beclowning, even Finebaum said a week from now, nobody will be saying a word about it.  And remember, there are still plenty of peeps outside of Auburn who think Bruce Pearl is the huckster, and everything wrong with college sports. But he wins.  Same with Freeze.  If he wins, who gives a fuck?
The ten or so commitments don't seem phased given the wait and see comments I read. What can they say?
'I'm changing my mind and going to Coastal or Ga Southern.
As many as half probably weren't recruited by our rivals but so far it seems there are none talking of hurting themselves or someone else I might add.
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« Reply #43 on: November 29, 2022, 04:47:16 PM »

But, I think the guy is a solid coach.  Not great, but solid.  He's won wherever he's been

2011   Arkansas State   10–2      
   
Arkansas State:   10–2      

Ole Miss Rebels (Southeastern Conference) (2012–2016)

2012   Ole Miss   7–6      
2013   Ole Miss   8–5      
2014   Ole Miss   9–4
2015   Ole Miss   10–3   
2016   Ole Miss   5–7
      
Ole Miss:   37–25  (27 wins vacated by NCAA)


Liberty Flames (NCAA Division I FBS independent) (2019–2022)

2019   Liberty   8–5               
2020   Liberty   10–1         
2021   Liberty   8–5               
2022   Liberty   8–4            
   
Liberty:   34–15      

So, a 10 win season every 3-4 years?  Welcome back, Kotter Gustav...with a lighter checkbook, a black eye and a fanbase divided.

Great fucking job, new guy.
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« Reply #44 on: November 29, 2022, 05:16:38 PM »
2011   Arkansas State   10–2      
   
Arkansas State:   10–2      

Ole Miss Rebels (Southeastern Conference) (2012–2016)

2012   Ole Miss   7–6      
2013   Ole Miss   8–5      
2014   Ole Miss   9–4
2015   Ole Miss   10–3   
2016   Ole Miss   5–7
      
Ole Miss:   37–25  (27 wins vacated by NCAA)


Liberty Flames (NCAA Division I FBS independent) (2019–2022)

2019   Liberty   8–5               
2020   Liberty   10–1         
2021   Liberty   8–5               
2022   Liberty   8–4            
   
Liberty:   34–15      

So, a 10 win season every 3-4 years?  Welcome back, Kotter Gustav...with a lighter checkbook, a black eye and a fanbase divided.

Great fucking job, new guy.
Freeze might not be much on the dance floor but he has bigger titties than Gustav and might even measure up Corch Pearl's in a wet tee shirt contest. Just an observation.
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Re: It's Hugh
« Reply #45 on: November 29, 2022, 07:07:55 PM »
Fuck this.

I'm not out (for the family, friends and community), but I'm not fucking in (for bucktooth mcfucksploosh). 

This guy is a shit-sucking huckster without half a resume that would justify the beclowning we're taking for the hire.

It's another stupid, short-sighted, foot-shot of a decision and Auburn football will suffer for it.

Wow.

Done with your vaginal tantrum?

Brutal honesty? You guys don’t know fucking shit. You have zero idea. Maybe he flames out. Maybe he doesn’t. But you do not know. You say all this emotional charged shit like you know all this for fact. No debate.

Don’t be in. Don’t be out. Who gives a shit. I hope you guys get this out of your system soon. It’s already getting stale.
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« Reply #46 on: November 29, 2022, 08:07:40 PM »
Wow.

Done with your vaginal tantrum?

Brutal honesty? You guys don’t know fucking shit. You have zero idea. Maybe he flames out. Maybe he doesn’t. But you do not know. You say all this emotional charged shit like you know all this for fact. No debate.

Don’t be in. Don’t be out. Who gives a shit. I hope you guys get this out of your system soon. It’s already getting stale.
Yeah I wanted a total 180 from the old method of choosing a coach. It probably wasn't realistic although I think the hangup with Deion was how you rationalize getting his salary up to competitive means for the SEC over anything else.

My favorite coach overall is Kyle Whittingham but of course he's not of this region.

The coach I'm most proud of avoiding at Auburn is James Franklin because to me he makes Mike Leach seem very grounded.

This wasn't my choice to make but I'm enough of a fan to think this might be the best choice overall given the niche that is particularly Auburn.
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« Reply #47 on: November 29, 2022, 08:33:18 PM »
He’s a cruiter
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« Reply #48 on: November 29, 2022, 09:51:40 PM »
Wow.

Done with your vaginal tantrum?

Brutal honesty? You guys don’t know fucking shit. You have zero idea. Maybe he flames out. Maybe he doesn’t. But you do not know. You say all this emotional charged shit like you know all this for fact. No debate.

Don’t be in. Don’t be out. Who gives a shit. I hope you guys get this out of your system soon. It’s already getting stale.

Without emotion, I posted his numbers above.
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« Reply #49 on: November 29, 2022, 10:29:38 PM »
Wes,

Legit question for you, as I know you’ve been exchanging tweets in this same vane…

The basic sentiment I’ve seen with regard to female Auburn fans is how they are “traumatized” by the hiring of HF.

How?  I don’t see his DMs as anything remotely close to harassment. Is he a dumbass for sending them?  I think so, but I also don’t think he’s defending a sexual predator.
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« Reply #50 on: November 29, 2022, 11:15:05 PM »
Without emotion, I posted his numbers above.

yeah but your wokeness was preceded. 
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« Reply #51 on: November 29, 2022, 11:20:56 PM »
This is going to be the last time I comment on this topic (I hope) but there are some misconceptions here.  First, I'm about as far from woke as you can get. Opposing this hire during the process and being deeply unhappy with the decision once it's made has nothing to do with being woke, liberal, virtual lynch mob or anything remotely like that. Second, I've loved and still love Auburn for my entire life. I love what Auburn represents (represented). I like (most of) my brothers and sisters who feel the same. Even the dumb ones. There are some I don't like but that's any family.  Third, this has been a long time coming. Since about the time Tuberville was shoved out, it seems like Auburn started to change -- in a direction I have grown increasingly uncomfortable with. This hire just seems like a tipping point for me.  Fourth, if you've learned anything about me in the decades we've shared this space, you know my spidey sense isn't perfect, but it's pretty good. I'm right more often than I'm wrong. It's buzzing like a fat teenager's vibrator after a Harry Styles concert right now.  Fifth, my opposition to his hire has nothing to do with not "forgiving" him for his past transgressions (not my place) or thinking I'm more moral or whatever. I don't. Everybody fucks up. I have. I will again. It's not about fucking up, it's how you deal with it and that is where my opposition to Freeze begins.

I don't want this to be about feelings. I need it to be about facts.  So before you brand me as a hysterical Karen, here are the facts that led me to this place.

1. Despite the projection, he's not a "great" coach. Wes posted his record. It speaks for itself. Auburn needed to make a strong statement with this hire. This isn't it. It's my personal opinion that Gus is a better coach than this guy. For that reason, I honestly believe this is a step back and down.
2. I don't care that he hired escorts. Who hasn't? It's problematic if he was procuring them for high school seniors, but that's never been proven. My issue is his arrogance and stupidity. He used his company phone. Only a moron would do that. It's a level of stupidity that can't be redeemed.
3. I don't care that he cheated. Who doesn't? Once again, it was the arrogance and stupidity of how he did it and then how he dealt with the aftermath. Quoting scripture online and pumping his own piousness? Going online and daring people to turn them in? Lying about what he knew to the point that Houston Nutt sued him - a lawsuit which led to his phone records being exposed? That's an even bigger level of stupidity. It can't be fixed. The man is a liar. He is a cheater. It bothers me that he is now being stirred in the same pot with Bruce, which isn't remotely fair.  Freeze is what he is, he will do it again. Leopards are always leopards. And he's a stupid leopard.
4. I do care that when he's cornered, his fallback position is to throw himself on the cross and invoke Jesus. I find it disingenuous and phony.  He's Jimmy Swaggart in a visor.  He's Jim Bakker in a sweater. I don't have a lot of tolerance for those people.

I had other things, and it was written better than this originally but my dog jumped on the keyboard and deleted it.  Maybe that was a sign. 

I still love Auburn. Always will. I just can't accept Freeze. I won't campaign for his dismissal. I won't wish him harm. I won't hope the team loses.  Auburn needed to hire a strong, positive presence to help restore the dignity to the program. Instead it pulled Colonel Harvey and his Magic Elixir off the streets of Mayberry.   

It just doesn't work for me. For my own sake (and for yours probably) I need to put it away. 
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« Reply #52 on: November 30, 2022, 12:11:18 AM »
He took our 3rd string QB (Willis) that we all thought could not throw it in the ocean if he was standing on the shore and made him a first round draft pick. 

I'm hoping we finally have a coach who can put a decent QB on the field.
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« Reply #53 on: November 30, 2022, 01:15:39 AM »

I still love Auburn. Always will. I just can't accept Freeze. I won't campaign for his dismissal. I won't wish him harm. I won't hope the team loses. 

I can respect this. If I didn’t like the hire, I might back off, but I would never wish for the demise.
We have sanctimonious asses that are openly campaigning for the coach and team to fail. That is one shitty fanbase and it’s not the coach that is the problem at AU. This problem spans coaches.
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« Reply #54 on: November 30, 2022, 07:27:39 AM »
All valid reasons, Kaos, and I respect that. My question is about the general “Auburn isn’t respecting women” by this hire.

Don’t like his record?  Great, that’s a valid reason to not support this hire.

Don’t like that he called escorts?  Fine. I get it.

Think he’s Gus 2.0?  Yep. I can see that. We paid 30 million dollars to get rid of two coaches, only to end up with maybe a not as good version of the first guy we fired.

But when I read on Facebook that he’s been accused of sexual assault, or that his players committed sexual assault, or that he’s harassing a sexual assault victim, I have to ask, did he?  That this hire is traumatizing to women, I can’t fathom how.
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« Reply #55 on: November 30, 2022, 07:31:09 AM »
I can respect this. If I didn’t like the hire, I might back off, but I would never wish for the demise.
We have sanctimonious asses that are openly campaigning for the coach and team to fail. That is one shitty fanbase and it’s not the coach that is the problem at AU. This problem spans coaches.

The only time I've ever been okay with losing was this season.  If it meant Harsin's tenure ending, lose now, lose big and get him and his trash ass family out of here before any more damage was done.  I was okay with short-term pain if it prevented long-term damage. 

I just wish we hadn't scooped up the Dollar General version of Houston Nutt (now with cheating, lying, holy rolling flavor!) to replace him.  We needed an unquestioned leader to right the ship. A strong, confident, respected force to take command and control. But what's done is done.  They're riding with Peter Popoff and the miracle spring water.  That's about 14 years now of bad choices. I'm too old for this shit. 
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« Reply #56 on: November 30, 2022, 07:44:47 AM »
All valid reasons, Kaos, and I respect that. My question is about the general “Auburn isn’t respecting women” by this hire.

Don’t like his record?  Great, that’s a valid reason to not support this hire.

Don’t like that he called escorts?  Fine. I get it.

Think he’s Gus 2.0?  Yep. I can see that. We paid 30 million dollars to get rid of two coaches, only to end up with maybe a not as good version of the first guy we fired.

But when I read on Facebook that he’s been accused of sexual assault, or that his players committed sexual assault, or that he’s harassing a sexual assault victim, I have to ask, did he?  That this hire is traumatizing to women, I can’t fathom how.

It's the world we live in now. It's not one I relate to. 

I have a new business and currently have about a dozen 20-25 year olds working part time for me.  Their worldview is lunacy.  Guys and girls both.  Hate capitalism. Embrace socialism. Want to erase the contributions of historical figures because they don't live up to today's 'standards.'  Thomas Jefferson? Tear down his statues, tear up the Declaration of Independence!  He didn't support gay marriage. 

Every single one of them spends a good portion of every day looking for a reason to be outraged. When I tell one who's about to graduate with a degree in 'computer engineering' that the immediate $150 - $300,000 a year salary her professors assure her is waiting for her on the first day out the door is an idea not based in reality it's not that she needs to build a resume of actual work over time... it's that the white male cis patriarchy of the system conspires to keep her down.  When I go to put up Christmas decorations I'm told that the idea that poor people need a kindly, benevolent white man to bring them gifts is insulting and oppressive and harkens back to slaves being granted the basics by their white masters. 

I don't know that he did any of those things.  I do know that he's put himself in some bad positions because of his own repeated stupidity. He hasn't denied it. He's given mealy mouth psuedo apologies (always invoking his godliness), so I assume there's some smoke with the fire. 

But I'm no fan of the lynch mob, 'what is my outrage for today' crowd or the way they've responded to this (or anything for that matter).  I understand being disappointed.  Hell, I am.  But this shit of demanding that people, businesses, etc. bow down to your personal outrage is asinine.

I saw somebody bring up Kavanaugh.  That's only a semi-fair comparison. Kavanaugh didn't do anything, all the claims made against him were completely fabricated with no evidence.  That's not the case here.  So it's a little different. 
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« Reply #57 on: November 30, 2022, 10:40:14 AM »
He took our 3rd string QB (Willis) that we all thought could not throw it in the ocean if he was standing on the shore and made him a first round draft pick. 

I'm hoping we finally have a coach who can put a decent QB on the field.

Speak for yourself.  I called Malik QB1 after his ADay performance.  Gus kept running other schmos out there.

Wes,

Legit question for you, as I know you’ve been exchanging tweets in this same vane…

The basic sentiment I’ve seen with regard to female Auburn fans is how they are “traumatized” by the hiring of HF.

How?  I don’t see his DMs as anything remotely close to harassment. Is he a dumbass for sending them?  I think so, but I also don’t think he’s defending a sexual predator.

He was using his position and prestige as the FB coach to try to silence the accuser and/or her advocate.  The power dynamic alone was enough to constitute harassment/victim silencing.  Women already underreport SA because they are rarely believed and Hugh's lobbying for his pal was another brick in that wall.
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« Reply #58 on: November 30, 2022, 10:59:18 AM »
Malik is one I don't really blame Gus for. When you get Jarrett Stidham to transfer in, Jarrett Stidham is getting the reps.  Then, when you sign a 5* QB who was part of the Elite 11...same.  Very similar, IMO, to Joe Fucking Burrow.  He was good enough to get signed by THE Ohio State University, but that man wasn't taking any real snaps to show what he could do. 

I think Willis also developed physically after he left Auburn.  He entered the NFL about 25 pounds heavier than when he played here.   
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« Reply #59 on: November 30, 2022, 11:30:38 AM »
He was using his position and prestige as the FB coach to try to silence the accuser and/or her advocate.  The power dynamic alone was enough to constitute harassment/victim silencing.  Women already underreport SA because they are rarely believed and Hugh's lobbying for his pal was another brick in that wall.

Thanks, Wes. 

Per her Twitter, Chelsea Andrews is a 2015 graduate of LU.  One would assume that her sexual assault happened prior to her graduation. 

McCaw was AD at Baylor at the time that Chelsea's sexual assault would have happened.  Now, as we all know, Baylor has it's own sexual assault problems, but to my knowledge, McCaw was never implicated in that investigation.  He resigned from Baylor in May of 2016 as a result of the Baylor scandal though, and was hired by LU in November of 2016.  He then hired Freeze in 2018.  In July 2022, Andrews was tweeting critically about LU and it's athletics program, in particular the hiring of McCaw and the optics of his involvement with BU.  Freeze then sent her the now famous DM (which, I'll concede, was a dumbass thing to do).

And apparently HF has now apologized for sending the DMs.

https://www.al.com/auburnfootball/2022/11/hugh-freeze-apologizes-for-unsolicited-dms-to-former-liberty-student.html

I guess what I'm saying is that since her sexual assault happened prior to Freeze arriving at LU, I don't have an issue with Auburn not interviewing her about the Freeze DMs.  They are creepy, but I guess I'm not seeing how they demonstrate any intent to silence or coerce her (and I believe the lawsuit was settled at this point, too, but I could be wrong).
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