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« on: November 03, 2008, 07:45:51 PM »
If Obama wins and attempts to completely derail the foundation of America, are there not checks and balances to prevent this? 

Even with complete control of congress and the white house, aren't there unions that can prevent this from turning into a clusterfuck of bad policies that will result in the downfall of our country? 

My government edumacation ain't too good, so I'm trying to do some learnin'.  Thanks in advanced. 
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« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2008, 09:13:58 AM »
The system was designed to have checks-and-balances, but if everyone in all three branches of gubment is on the same page with their socialist ideology, it doesn't really matter.

Who's up for moving to New Zealand with me?
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« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2008, 09:59:03 AM »
The minority party in the Senate can (not sure of the correct way to use this) use the fillabuster to stop some of the laws to pass. However, in order to do that, there must be 40 members of the minority party. Having 40 Republicans in the Senate looks like a toss up right now also...
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« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2008, 10:49:42 AM »
Who's up for moving to New Zealand with me?

If we can stick it out a year we should be good to go to move to Mexico.  There won't be any Mexicans left there.

Cabo here I come.
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« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2008, 11:42:39 AM »
If Obama wins and attempts to completely derail the foundation of America


What, exactly, are the policies he is pushing that will "derail the foundation of America"?  Jeezus, the hysteria is at an all-time high.

Look, this guy is going to disappoint lots of people who vote for him.  He can't be the architect of sweeping change that he's painted himself to be because of the deeply ingrained culture of Washington that abhors any actual, substantive change.  The lobbyists are out of a (very, very well paying) job if there is any more than a minor gap in policy positions.  They aren't going to let that gravy train make a last stop.  There is too much inertia for Obama to turn the ship around mid-stream.

Relax.  Grab a gun and a bible and chill the fuck out.
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« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2008, 11:51:16 AM »
Relax.  Grab a gun and a bible and chill the fuck out.

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« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2008, 01:56:00 PM »
If Obama wins and attempts to completely derail the foundation of America, are there not checks and balances to prevent this? 

Even with complete control of congress and the white house, aren't there unions that can prevent this from turning into a clusterfuck of bad policies that will result in the downfall of our country? 

My government edumacation ain't too good, so I'm trying to do some learnin'.  Thanks in advanced. 

Yes, there are checks and balances within the U. S. government that are designed to limit the power of each branch of the government (executive, judicial, and legislative) however the checks and balances are also designed to encourage the branches to work together.  Should The Obama win this election and should the Democrats win a more substantive majority in the House of Representatives and the Senate then, ideologically, they will all see eye-to-eye (as succinctly stated by Ogre in his post). 

The only other branch that could "balance and check" what the executive and legislative branches do is the judicial branch (e.g. the Supreme Court) and it's ideology depends on how Associate Justice Kennedy is feeling that day or what side of the bed he woke up on (left or right).

Within the Congress the Senate and the House have to see eye-to-eye in order to pass a bill (which will become a law if signed by the President).  The minority party in the Senate may use the fillibuster procedure to stop a bill IF they have MORE than 40 members to deny the majority the so-called "super majority" of 60 (or more).  Right now the Senate is balanced with 49 Democrat socialists, 1 real socialist (Bernie Sanders of Vermont), 1 independent Democrat (Joe Lieberman), and 49 Republicans (6 to 9 of whom are in serious jeopardy of loosing their seats today).  The Senate could hold-off The Obama if the Democrats socialists don't gain too many more seats today. 

Odds are the Republicans will loose 4 to 6 seats in the Senate.


What, exactly, are the policies he is pushing that will "derail the foundation of America"?  Jeezus, the hysteria is at an all-time high.

Look, this guy is going to disappoint lots of people who vote for him.  He can't be the architect of sweeping change that he's painted himself to be because of the deeply ingrained culture of Washington that abhors any actual, substantive change.  The lobbyists are out of a (very, very well paying) job if there is any more than a minor gap in policy positions.  They aren't going to let that gravy train make a last stop.  There is too much inertia for Obama to turn the ship around mid-stream.

Relax.  Grab a gun and a bible and chill the fuck out.

I think that I've worked through my hysteria about The Obama winning but you can bet on higher levels of confiscatory taxation, some kind of universal FedGov care that we'll all have in some way (supported by the confiscatory taxes that us tax-payers will be paying in order to spread the wealth around, infringments on our second amendment rights, and probably immediate attacks on our first amendment rights with regards to alternative media.  They'll figure out some way to tax the internet (especially internet commerce).  They'll also change our foreign policy procedures to the point of weakening our positions in order to make the global community happy with us again.  Deference to the UN will be the order of the day in foreign policy.  Lastly they'll do what they always do and that is to eviscerate the military.  Those are just a few things for starters.

But, other than that everything will be fine.
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The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me. 
-Ayn Rand

The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
-The Right Honourable Margaret Thatcher

The government solution to a problem is usually as bad as the problem.
-Milton Friedman

The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'
-Ronald Reagan

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
-Thomas Jefferson

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« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2008, 05:43:14 PM »
Yes, there are checks and balances within the U. S. government that are designed to limit the power of each branch of the government (executive, judicial, and legislative) however the checks and balances are also designed to encourage the branches to work together.  Should The Obama win this election and should the Democrats win a more substantive majority in the House of Representatives and the Senate then, ideologically, they will all see eye-to-eye (as succinctly stated by Ogre in his post). 

The only other branch that could "balance and check" what the executive and legislative branches do is the judicial branch (e.g. the Supreme Court) and it's ideology depends on how Associate Justice Kennedy is feeling that day or what side of the bed he woke up on (left or right).

Within the Congress the Senate and the House have to see eye-to-eye in order to pass a bill (which will become a law if signed by the President).  The minority party in the Senate may use the fillibuster procedure to stop a bill IF they have MORE than 40 members to deny the majority the so-called "super majority" of 60 (or more).  Right now the Senate is balanced with 49 Democrat socialists, 1 real socialist (Bernie Sanders of Vermont), 1 independent Democrat (Joe Lieberman), and 49 Republicans (6 to 9 of whom are in serious jeopardy of loosing their seats today).  The Senate could hold-off The Obama if the Democrats socialists don't gain too many more seats today. 

Odds are the Republicans will loose 4 to 6 seats in the Senate.

I think that I've worked through my hysteria about The Obama winning but you can bet on higher levels of confiscatory taxation, some kind of universal FedGov care that we'll all have in some way (supported by the confiscatory taxes that us tax-payers will be paying in order to spread the wealth around, infringments on our second amendment rights, and probably immediate attacks on our first amendment rights with regards to alternative media.  They'll figure out some way to tax the internet (especially internet commerce).  They'll also change our foreign policy procedures to the point of weakening our positions in order to make the global community happy with us again.  Deference to the UN will be the order of the day in foreign policy.  Lastly they'll do what they always do and that is to eviscerate the military.  Those are just a few things for starters.

But, other than that everything will be fine.

Obviously you have two bibles and a semi-automatic. 
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« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2008, 05:47:07 PM »
Obviously you have two bibles and a semi-automatic. 

And I'm bitter...
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The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me. 
-Ayn Rand

The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
-The Right Honourable Margaret Thatcher

The government solution to a problem is usually as bad as the problem.
-Milton Friedman

The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'
-Ronald Reagan

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
-Thomas Jefferson

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« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2008, 05:47:37 PM »
...and he's pumping out tunes on his stereo by the great TED NUGENT!!!
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« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2008, 05:50:56 PM »

What, exactly, are the policies he is pushing that will "derail the foundation of America"?  Jeezus, the hysteria is at an all-time high.


Try Socialism.  He may not be able to pull off all his wants and desires, but make no mistake he is a socialist through and through.
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« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2008, 05:52:18 PM »
...and he's pumping out tunes on his stereo by the great TED NUGENT!!!

Damn skrait! 

I need a cold adult beverage...
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The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me. 
-Ayn Rand

The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
-The Right Honourable Margaret Thatcher

The government solution to a problem is usually as bad as the problem.
-Milton Friedman

The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'
-Ronald Reagan

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
-Thomas Jefferson

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« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2008, 05:55:28 PM »
Try Socialism.  He may not be able to pull off all his wants and desires, but make no mistake he is a socialist through and through.

You are correct.  His Senate voting record, albeit short, speaks for itself; he is THE most leftist U. S. Senator...even left of the avowed socialist that I mentioned above (Bernie Sanders of Vermont).
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The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me. 
-Ayn Rand

The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
-The Right Honourable Margaret Thatcher

The government solution to a problem is usually as bad as the problem.
-Milton Friedman

The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'
-Ronald Reagan

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
-Thomas Jefferson

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« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2008, 05:57:10 PM »
Try Socialism.  He may not be able to pull off all his wants and desires, but make no mistake he is a socialist through and through.

That's a scary word.  It's almost as scary as: Social Security.
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« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2008, 06:00:53 PM »
You are correct.  His Senate voting record, albeit short, speaks for itself; he is THE most leftist U. S. Senator...even left of the avowed socialist that I mentioned above (Bernie Sanders of Vermont).

..but he be a damned good speaker though.  Almost as good as Morgan Freeman in Deep Impact!   :popcorn:
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« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2008, 08:04:20 AM »
..but he be a damned good speaker though.  Almost as good as Morgan Freeman in Deep Impact!   :popcorn:

There was an Austrian corporal who was one hell of a speaker as well.
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