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"Dear Democrats..."
« on: November 10, 2016, 06:13:05 PM »
https://medium.com/@trentlapinski/dear-democrats-read-this-if-you-do-not-understand-why-trump-won-5a0cdb13c597#.kyda4z8sz

I don't agree with all of this because some of it is hypothetical in re to Bernie. But I do agree with the sentiment and underlying point of his article. Especially the bolded parts below. All Of that.

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Dear Democrats, Read This If You Do Not Understand Why Trump Won

Trump Is What Happens When You Nominate A Cheater and Live In An Echo Chamber—Please Learn From This

Did you read Wikileaks?

Well, you should have.

The “conspiracies” were true, and the mainstream media lied to you to about everything.
Wikileaks was not Russian propaganda, it was the news.

Wikileaks has a 10-year record of never releasing a single falsified document, and is not connected to Russia. Everything they released were the actual e-mails of Hillary Clinton and her campaign staff. You had the opportunity to look through a window into the Hillary Clinton campaign, but you didn’t.
By ignoring the leaks, you ignored reality.

By not listening to your fellow Americans, and accusing them of being “conspiracy theorists” and trusting the corporate media, you ignored reality. By only following other liberals on social media, and only reading liberal or corporate news, once again ignoring reality. When Hillary Clinton was caught rigging the primary against Bernie Sanders, and Democrats nominated her anyway they ignored reality.

Everyone was simply insulating themselves within their own echo chamber ignoring anything outside their bubble.

The Media Lied To Us About EVERYTHING

If you’ve been following my Twitter or Facebook account during this 2016 election you probably would have thought I was a Trump supporter. However, I am a former registered Democrat, a Bernie supporter, and consider myself a progressive libertarian. This was the first election I ended up voting 3rd party, but my second choice was Trump. I simply could not vote for Hillary Clinton because of her mishandling of classified information, and stealing the nomination from the people’s choice Bernie Sanders.
Hillary never should have been nominated in the first place. The first clue was when she was under FBI investigation, and the second clue was when she rigged the primary elections.

In an attempt to inform my friends, family, and followers I posted dozens if not hundreds of Wikileaks e-mails, and tweeted alt-right news just as much as I did liberal news. I did this because most of my followers are liberals, and I realized they were all living in an echo chamber on social media where they were not being exposed to differing opinions or news. I was mostly rejected by liberals for doing this, they didn’t understand why I was sharing things that made them uncomfortable, but now they know why. Ironically, I got far more support from Trump supporters for trying to tell Democrats the truth. I wasn’t expecting that.

I took it upon myself to understand Trump, and his supporters. What I found was millions of great Americans who had been disenfranchised, normal people like you and I, who did not recover from the Great Recession. They’re pissed off about Obama Care, endless wars, trade deals that have killed jobs, higher taxes, a rigged economy–and, they are not wrong.

Had Democrats taken the concerns of average American seriously, especially the concerns of Millennials, they would have quickly realized Hillary Clinton was not the right nominee for the Democratic party in 2016.

I 100% believe Bernie Sanders could have created a political revolution to beat Trump, but instead we’re getting Trump’s revolution.

The reason Hillary Clinton did not win this election is because she never should have been nominated in the first place. There was a better choice.

Democrats let Hillary hijack the DNC, and use her corporate money to push everyone around. Meanwhile, she used Correct The Record to poison the minds of people online into isolating themselves with paid Hillary trolls. Had Democrats paid attention to the leaks they would have seen the mountain of evidence that told the world that Hillary rigged the primaries against Bernie Sanders, and was illegally coordinating with Super PACs like CTR. She should have been disqualified. The evidence is on Wikileaks.org.

Meanwhile, the media, and social media kept everyone ignorant and isolated from differing opinions. They lied to us, manipulated us, and made us think the rest of the country agreed with us, when they didn’t. They used their position of authority to mislead us into believing in a false reality—in propaganda.

This is the problem with America today, the technology that was supposed to bring us together actually isolated us into echo chambers and drove us further apart.

Getting the news from just your friends is a logical fallacy, you need to know your enemies, and realize they’re not much different from yourself.

There Is Good News

While you weren’t paying attention, Trump is actually a former Democrat. If you study his actual values he has far more in common with traditional moderate or liberal values than he does a traditional conservative. In fact, Trump may even be more liberal than Hillary Clinton on several issues.

The media prevented any kind of discussion on values, and instead focused on rhetoric and propaganda. So most Americans who immediately defaulted to what the media and Clinton campaign told them never took the time to actually get to know Donald Trump. They just watched the jokes on SNL, and corporate media blindly without considering other sources. While I’m still unsure about Trump myself, we at least know politically he’s actually a New York Democrat in Republican clothing (this is why the Republican establishment rejected him).

You also need to consider Donald Trump just overthrew a group of political elites who have been ruling this country for decades. He just beat the political establishment singlehandedly. No matter what you think about him personally, he just accomplished something historic to become our President.

At the end of the day, this is an opportunity to learn and grow and consider another world view. This is a wakeup call to get out of safe spaces, politically correct thinking, shatter echo chambers, and challenge yourself to consider the other side of the fence. This is an opportunity to reach out and truly learn to understand each other.

We all have to come together to solve any real problems with our country in the next 4-years. This election was a lesson to consider all ideas equally, regardless of established authority.
We need to come together and move forward together.
« Last Edit: November 10, 2016, 06:16:14 PM by GH2001 »
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« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2016, 06:37:59 PM »
I agree with that.
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« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2016, 06:43:03 PM »
I agree with that.

I mean he just told the msm and 2 huge political establishments that have been in place for decades to go fuck themselves. Its making me come around to him more.
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« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2016, 07:01:09 PM »
I mean he just told the msm and 2 huge political establishments that have been in place for decades to go fuck themselves. Its making me come around to him more.
I'm starting to. I'm going to hold off for a while though...I want to see what he'll do in his first year.
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« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2016, 08:48:07 PM »
That guy is a billion times wrong about Bernie.   Trump would have topped 320
Electoral votes against that fucking clown.

I truly hope the Democratic Party legitimately believes that embracing full blown socialism is the path back.  That will end the party.  Forever.
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« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2016, 09:56:08 PM »
That guy is a billion times wrong about Bernie.   Trump would have topped 320
Electoral votes against that fucking clown.

I truly hope the Democratic Party legitimately believes that embracing full blown socialism is the path back.  That will end the party.  Forever.

I tend to agree. But I do like the premise of his article nonetheless. If the complainers today don't see those major two points are the crux of it all then they are beyond help. Prowler sees it. Chad probably even sees it. I see it. This wasnt hard to figure out really.
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« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2016, 10:08:31 PM »
I tend to agree. But I do like the premise of his article nonetheless. If the complainers today don't see those major two points are the crux of it all then they are beyond help. Prowler sees it. Chad probably even sees it. I see it. This wasnt hard to figure out really.

I think we've lost Chad and a few others until I stop playing my "I was right" trumpets. 

I'm going to play them for a few more weeks.
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Re: "Dear Democrats..."
« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2016, 11:03:55 PM »
I'm starting to. I'm going to hold off for a while though...I want to see what he'll do in his first year.
Pretty sure you'll be deported. Really doesn't matter how you feel.
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« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2016, 12:03:27 AM »
I think we've lost Chad and a few others until I stop playing my "I was right" trumpets. 

I'm going to play them for a few more weeks.
If this is what is keeping him away, I will pay you to keep it up. Will gladly make it worth your while and I'm certain I'm not the only one who feels this way.

It hasn't been this nice around here since the last time he got mad and left for good.
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« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2016, 07:38:54 AM »
https://medium.com/@trentlapinski/dear-democrats-read-this-if-you-do-not-understand-why-trump-won-5a0cdb13c597#.kyda4z8sz

I don't agree with all of this because some of it is hypothetical in re to Bernie. But I do agree with the sentiment and underlying point of his article. Especially the bolded parts below. All Of that.

Personally I liked mine better but hey to each their own.  It' like there is an echo in here or something
http://www.tigersx.com/forum/index.php?topic=27904.60
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Re: "Dear Democrats..."
« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2016, 09:43:39 AM »
I tend to agree. But I do like the premise of his article nonetheless. If the complainers today don't see those major two points are the crux of it all then they are beyond help. Prowler sees it. Chad probably even sees it. I see it. This wasnt hard to figure out really.
EVEN the one guy who is avidly pro-third party can see the two major parties are a major problem? How am I not the first on the list, not an honorable mention?

I think Bernie would have done better, and while I think his economic policies are poison, I probably would have voted for him over Trump. May have wrangled me away from a third party. The DNC fucked over his supporters (who empirically were a larger group than her supporters) so badly, they said "fuck this" and just didn't show up. For the same reasons y'all are telling everyone to chill on Trump, I think Bernie, especially with this Republican congress, would never have been able to push through some of his wilder ideas like free college and $15 minimum wages. I've said this before, but actually Hillary herself started flirting with those. Which made her all of the bad parts of Bernie and none of the good. The good being his stances on free trade, criminal justice reform, ending the drug war, limiting government surveillance, being soft on gun control at worst, and actually being a decent, genuine man who believes what he says and oh yeah is not a criminal. I think with a Republican Congress with guys like Rand Paul and Mike Lee in there, there could have been a lot of good bi-partisan things done on those issues, and I think things like single payer healthcare wouldn't have had a chance.

Just sayin.
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« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2016, 10:27:44 AM »
EVEN the one guy who is avidly pro-third party can see the two major parties are a major problem? How am I not the first on the list, not an honorable mention?

I think Bernie would have done better, and while I think his economic policies are poison, I probably would have voted for him over Trump. May have wrangled me away from a third party. The DNC fucked over his supporters (who empirically were a larger group than her supporters) so badly, they said "fuck this" and just didn't show up. For the same reasons y'all are telling everyone to chill on Trump, I think Bernie, especially with this Republican congress, would never have been able to push through some of his wilder ideas like free college and $15 minimum wages. I've said this before, but actually Hillary herself started flirting with those. Which made her all of the bad parts of Bernie and none of the good. The good being his stances on free trade, criminal justice reform, ending the drug war, limiting government surveillance, being soft on gun control at worst, and actually being a decent, genuine man who believes what he says and oh yeah is not a criminal. I think with a Republican Congress with guys like Rand Paul and Mike Lee in there, there could have been a lot of good bi-partisan things done on those issues, and I think things like single payer healthcare wouldn't have had a chance.

Just sayin.

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« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2016, 10:35:37 AM »
You learned nothing, Jon Snow. 

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Cool memes, bro.

I said explicitly I don't agree with those aspects of his platform, but I also don't think he would have gotten them through congress. I think he would have been better than Hillary, and dare I say Trump.

But again, I'm giving the benefit of the doubt and am not going to criticize him until he fucks up.
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« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2016, 11:00:09 AM »
Cool memes, bro.

I said explicitly I don't agree with those aspects of his platform, but I also don't think he would have gotten them through congress. I think he would have been better than Hillary, and dare I say Trump.

But again, I'm giving the benefit of the doubt and am not going to criticize him until he fucks up.

I told you no hard feelings and I meant it. 

But he was a socialist.  That can't ever be okay no matter how many or few of his wacky ideas he could have gotten through. 

Otherwise why did we bother to fight WWII or endure the Cold War?  Are we really willing to forget those sacrifices in less than a generation? 
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« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2016, 05:05:50 PM »
Pretty sure you'll be deported. Really doesn't matter how you feel.
Deported...back to Denmark? YES!!! Free everything.
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« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2016, 03:44:48 AM »
Deported...back to Denmark? YES!!! Free everything.


Of course you would say that ignoring the 60% income tax!
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Five statements of WISDOM
1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity, by legislating the wealth out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friends, is the beginning of the end of any nation.

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« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2016, 08:26:02 AM »

Of course you would say that ignoring the 60% income tax!
Try 55.8% with McDonald workers making $20 minimum wage...compare that with our 39.6% and McDonald workers making on average $8.90 minimum. That's just using McDs as an example.
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« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2016, 08:42:13 AM »
When at Auburn, I pretty much existed on Quarter Pounders with cheese, large fries and large, delicious coke product.

Then, there was Wendy's....
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« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2016, 08:54:51 AM »
When at Auburn, I pretty much existed on Quarter Pounders with cheese, large fries and large, delicious coke product.

Then, there was Wendy's....
You know what they call a Quarter Pounder with cheese in Denmark? A fucking Quarter Pounder (it already comes with cheese)
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« Reply #19 on: November 12, 2016, 09:27:24 AM »
Try 55.8% with McDonald workers making $20 minimum wage...compare that with our 39.6% and McDonald workers making on average $8.90 minimum. That's just using McDs as an example.


Yeah. You still d]idn't prove anything.

Except like a dumbass, you think Mickey D's is a career.
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Five statements of WISDOM
1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity, by legislating the wealth out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friends, is the beginning of the end of any nation.