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Re: I Can't Be Bothered With This
« Reply #120 on: August 06, 2015, 02:57:53 PM »
Difference being of course, that those examples are all treasured here in our own homeland, beloved by those local and even somewhat by a national population that can at least appreciate them.

If you're rich enough to travel to Africa and embark on a Zimbabwe safari, this lion may have in fact been well-known to you. I don't know.

I do know however that Zimbabweans could GAF about a lion.

Zimbabweans?  Could it be Zimbabweites or Zimbabwoninans?
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Re: I Can't Be Bothered With This
« Reply #121 on: August 06, 2015, 03:15:19 PM »
Much like certain (perhaps most) Alabama fans who could give a shoot about a tree. 

And probably most Americans have neither heard of Cecil nor our beloved mascot or trees.

Sure our mascots are held close to home but I think this garners a worldwide affection towards creatures, plants, artifacts that should be treasured. 

My speculation is that more people visited Cecil the Lion as folks visit our Raptor Center. 

I find the story intriguing and close to home on my views regarding conservation.

I respect your personal views on conservation. I likely share them more closely than most on this thread. I simply don't share the lynch mob mentality of those standing on Mufasa's sideline, ruining the life of a man who - far all we know right now - is innocent. Prove guilt and I'm a full supporter of due punishment. Just prove it first.
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Re: I Can't Be Bothered With This
« Reply #122 on: August 06, 2015, 03:16:31 PM »
Zimbabweans?  Could it be Zimbabweites or Zimbabwoninans?

Listen, as a fluent Zimbabweanise speaker, trust me.
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Re: I Can't Be Bothered With This
« Reply #123 on: August 06, 2015, 03:20:59 PM »
I simply don't share the lynch mob mentality of those standing on Mufasa's sideline, ruining the life of a man who - far all we know right now - is innocent. Prove guilt and I'm a full supporter of due punishment. Just prove it first.

I agree.  I've never shared my thoughts on the public outcry.
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Re: I Can't Be Bothered With This
« Reply #124 on: August 06, 2015, 03:24:17 PM »
Wait...did Harvey Updyke have a permit to kill trees?
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Re: I Can't Be Bothered With This
« Reply #125 on: August 06, 2015, 03:28:09 PM »
Listen, as a fluent Zimbabweanise speaker, trust me.

I ordered my Rosetta Stone Zimbabweanise language kit this past Tuesday.
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« Reply #126 on: August 06, 2015, 03:41:40 PM »
I ordered my Rosetta Stone Zimbabweanise language kit this past Tuesday.

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Re: I Can't Be Bothered With This
« Reply #127 on: August 06, 2015, 04:08:39 PM »
Wait...did Harvey Updyke have a permit to kill trees?

Don't confused the issue with legality. Its about how it all makes me "feel"!

The only people who know Cecil were the ones that paid to see a lion and were told his name, or the ones that were getting paid to study him.

I assure you that if Cecil had strode through a local village, they sure as hell could care less what his name was.
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Re: I Can't Be Bothered With This
« Reply #128 on: August 06, 2015, 04:30:54 PM »
We wouldn't have murder of other humans either...but...

Bad analogy. Very bad.

Problem is, there is a lot of real information out there pertaining to this case. Its just getting glossed over by all the emotionally charged rhetoric. People really need to let some facts play out here before getting their vaginas all huffy. No one is arguing with you guys that unethical hunting is an issue. Or that poaching is right. Problem here is that no one really knows how it all went down. And many signs and opinions from experts point to the pedlded narrative not being on the up and up or making sense....

If he is guilty, he will get his. If not, there is no issue here. There are countless articles out there right now written by conservation and big game experts who live this shit 24/7, and everyone of them I have read is in total contradiction with all the fiery rhetoric and narrative being thrown around.

http://clashdaily.com/2015/07/cecil-the-lion-heres-some-particulars-you-wont-hear-on-tv/

http://clashdaily.com/2015/08/heres-the-truth-about-hunting-cecilthelion-that-the-media-doesnt-want-you-to-know/

Written by folks who have done this a lot more than You and I and the good folks at The View and ABC News.
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Re: I Can't Be Bothered With This
« Reply #129 on: August 06, 2015, 04:49:36 PM »
My stance is, and has been, if the hunt was legal, then let it go.

There has been no definitive proof that anything illegal was done. "That damn Zimmerman is just a racist killer."

If it was illegal, bust his ass.

Pretty much the extent of it.  Agree or disagree on hunting or even "trophy hunting" as the anti's like to call it to put an immoral spin on it, but hunting is legal.  Lion hunting is legal.  They're not endangered.  If it's done legally...it's legal.  You'll never get Africans to want it to stop.  It supports their economy.  And the trophy hunters may not eat the meat, but the locals in Africa do reap the rewards of legally killed game not only in revenue but meat and other uses of the hides and animal parts.  Many people are duped by cute videos of cuddly creatures and sucked in by the anti-hunting rhetoric. 

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/05/opinion/in-zimbabwe-we-dont-cry-for-lions.html 

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Winston-Salem, N.C. — MY mind was absorbed by the biochemistry of gene editing when the text messages and Facebook posts distracted me.

So sorry about Cecil.

Did Cecil live near your place in Zimbabwe?

Cecil who? I wondered. When I turned on the news and discovered that the messages were about a lion killed by an American dentist, the village boy inside me instinctively cheered: One lion fewer to menace families like mine.

My excitement was doused when I realized that the lion killer was being painted as the villain. I faced the starkest cultural contradiction I’d experienced during my five years studying in the United States.

Did all those Americans signing petitions understand that lions actually kill people? That all the talk about Cecil being “beloved” or a “local favorite” was media hype? Did Jimmy Kimmel choke up because Cecil was murdered or because he confused him with Simba from “The Lion King”?

In my village in Zimbabwe, surrounded by wildlife conservation areas, no lion has ever been beloved, or granted an affectionate nickname. They are objects of terror.

When I was 9 years old, a solitary lion prowled villages near my home. After it killed a few chickens, some goats and finally a cow, we were warned to walk to school in groups and stop playing outside. My sisters no longer went alone to the river to collect water or wash dishes; my mother waited for my father and older brothers, armed with machetes, axes and spears, to escort her into the bush to collect firewood.

A week later, my mother gathered me with nine of my siblings to explain that her uncle had been attacked but escaped with nothing more than an injured leg. The lion sucked the life out of the village: No one socialized by fires at night; no one dared stroll over to a neighbor’s homestead.

When the lion was finally killed, no one cared whether its murderer was a local person or a white trophy hunter, whether it was poached or killed legally. We danced and sang about the vanquishing of the fearsome beast and our escape from serious harm.

Recently, a 14-year-old boy in a village not far from mine wasn’t so lucky. Sleeping in his family’s fields, as villagers do to protect crops from the hippos, buffalo and elephants that trample them, he was mauled by a lion and died.

The killing of Cecil hasn’t garnered much more sympathy from urban Zimbabweans, although they live with no such danger. Few have ever seen a lion, since game drives are a luxury residents of a country with an average monthly income below $150 cannot afford.

Don’t misunderstand me: For Zimbabweans, wild animals have near-mystical significance. We belong to clans, and each clan claims an animal totem as its mythological ancestor. Mine is Nzou, elephant, and by tradition, I can’t eat elephant meat; it would be akin to eating a relative’s flesh. But our respect for these animals has never kept us from hunting them or allowing them to be hunted. (I’m familiar with dangerous animals; I lost my right leg to a snakebite when I was 11.)


The American tendency to romanticize animals that have been given actual names and to jump onto a hashtag train has turned an ordinary situation — there were 800 lions legally killed over a decade by well-heeled foreigners who shelled out serious money to prove their prowess — into what seems to my Zimbabwean eyes an absurdist circus.

PETA is calling for the hunter to be hanged. Zimbabwean politicians are accusing the United States of staging Cecil’s killing as a “ploy” to make our to make our country look bad. And Americans who can’t find Zimbabwe on a map are applauding the nation’s demand for the extradition of the dentist, unaware that a baby elephant was reportedly slaughtered for our president’s most recent birthday banquet.

We Zimbabweans are left shaking our heads, wondering why Americans care more about African animals than about African people.

Don’t tell us what to do with our animals when you allowed your own mountain lions to be hunted to near extinction in the eastern United States. Don’t bemoan the clear-cutting of our forests when you turned yours into concrete jungles.

And please, don’t offer me condolences about Cecil unless you’re also willing to offer me condolences for villagers killed or left hungry by his brethren, by political violence, or by hunger.
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Re: I Can't Be Bothered With This
« Reply #130 on: August 06, 2015, 05:02:59 PM »
I'm actually with CCTAU on this issue: if it was a legal hunt, then your issues are with Zimbabwean laws; if it was an illegal hunt, then extradite his dumb dental ass and let them sort it out.

What the hell is happening here?  Cats lying with dogs........the end is near.
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Re: I Can't Be Bothered With This
« Reply #131 on: August 06, 2015, 09:39:32 PM »
Zimbabweans will tell you that every lion head hanging from a rich white dentist's wall is one less lion roaming through their village and gobbling up their chirruns.

To me, as long as he wasn't the one holding out a pack of hotdogs saying, "Here kitty kitty" to lure it away from a protected area, the hunt was legal. He paid for the government issued permit and had the guides. If any shenanigans occurred, it seems to me that would fall under the responsibility of the guides.
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Re: I Can't Be Bothered With This
« Reply #132 on: August 07, 2015, 08:47:40 AM »
I've planted many a green field and sprayed mucho doe piss for the sole purpose of convincing a fine buck he'd prefer my side of the property line to that of my neighbors'. The name of the game is out foxing prey and luring them into your hunting ground. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't but that' what hunting is.

And of course...

« Last Edit: August 07, 2015, 08:49:51 AM by Catphish Tilly »
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Re: I Can't Be Bothered With This
« Reply #133 on: August 07, 2015, 03:12:09 PM »
Zimbabweans will tell you that every lion head hanging from a rich white dentist's wall is one less lion roaming through their village and gobbling up their chirruns.

To me, as long as he wasn't the one holding out a pack of hotdogs saying, "Here kitty kitty" to lure it away from a protected area, the hunt was legal. He paid for the government issued permit and had the guides. If any shenanigans occurred, it seems to me that would fall under the responsibility of the guides.

On private property in Africa, baiting and hunting at night is legal. 

I don't know all the particulars here, and said that it's very possible that he hired an unscrupulous guide.  Also, people act like this guy walked in a zoo and killed this lion.  Hwange National Park is slightly larger than the state of Connecticut in square miles.  Cecil, tracking collar and all, was as wild as a lion gets considering he lived mostly in a refuge that, as far as I know, doesn't allow hunting.  He was not a pet lion like most would have you believe.  Hwange is not fenced.  It was known that Cecil ranged off the Park lands. 

Besides, Cecil was nothing but a trespasser, overthrower, and a murderer himself.  He had another lion assassinated in order to score his pussy and turf.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/cecil-lion-last-photo-he-811838

"Cecil was first identified in 2008 or 2009, when he was spotted with his brother at a watering hole on the southern boundary of Hwange park called Magisole Pan, which translates to "White Man's watering hole." The brothers were named after two powerful white men — Cecil Rhodes, a mining tycoon and politician in South Africa and Leander Starr Jameson, the second Administrator of Rhodesia.

Cecil became the most dominant male in Hwange park when a fight between the two brothers and another dominant male named Mpofu led to the death of Leander. Mpofu sustained critical injuries and ultimately had to be put down by park rangers, leaving Cecil to assume the position of dominance in the area.
   
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Re: I Can't Be Bothered With This
« Reply #134 on: August 10, 2015, 11:13:50 AM »
Is the lion still dead? I keep checking back here for updates but haven't seen anything lately.
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Re: I Can't Be Bothered With This
« Reply #135 on: August 10, 2015, 11:19:51 AM »
Is the lion still dead? I keep checking back here for updates but haven't seen anything lately.

The lion is still dead. 

No word on Day 11,884 of the Bear Bryant death watch, however.   Waiting on the geyser of Dickel pouring from Denny Chimes at noon to declare that Bryant remains deceased. 
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Re: I Can't Be Bothered With This
« Reply #136 on: August 10, 2015, 05:44:29 PM »
Celebrate.   It's World Lion Day.
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Re: I Can't Be Bothered With This
« Reply #137 on: August 26, 2015, 04:53:21 PM »
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(CNN)A safari guide has been mauled to death by a lion in the same Zimbabwean national park where Cecil the lion lived.

rest of the story...

#retaliation
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Re: I Can't Be Bothered With This
« Reply #138 on: August 26, 2015, 05:12:22 PM »
rest of the story...

#retaliation
And we head into the half knotted up at 1 apiece.
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