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Ding Dong The Twinkies Are Dead

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Re: Ding Dong The Twinkies Are Dead
« Reply #20 on: November 16, 2012, 11:23:31 AM »
i'm not a business major...but i don't see how a company such as pepsi co.  or nestle doesn't step in to buy that brand.  i can't imagine an american icon such as the twinkie falls off the face of the earth. 
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« Reply #21 on: November 16, 2012, 11:33:09 AM »
What the fuck is the Internet?
The Internet is a communication tool used the world over where people can come together to bitch about movies and share pornography with one another.
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Re: Ding Dong The Twinkies Are Dead
« Reply #22 on: November 16, 2012, 11:36:44 AM »
The Internet is a communication tool used the world over where people can come together to bitch about movies and share pornography with one another.

This isn't fair. We came to Hollywood, I fell in love. Fuckin', we got shot at, we stole a monkey, and I got punched in the motherfucking nuts by a guy named Cock-Knocker.
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"Hey my friends are the ones that wanted to eat at that shitty hole in the wall that only served bread and wine.  What kind of brick and mud business model is that.  Stick to the cart if that's all you're going to serve.  Then that dude came in with like 12 other people, and some of them weren't even wearing shoes, and the restaurant sat them right across from us. It was gross, and they were all stinky and dirty.  Then dude starts talking about eating his body and drinking his blood...I almost lost it.  That's the last supper I'll ever have there, and I hope he dies a horrible death."

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« Reply #23 on: November 16, 2012, 11:45:08 AM »
Tallahassee weeps
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Re: Ding Dong The Twinkies Are Dead
« Reply #24 on: November 16, 2012, 11:46:05 AM »
This isn't fair. We came to Hollywood, I fell in love. Fuckin', we got shot at, we stole a monkey, and I got punched in the motherfucking nuts by a guy named Cock-Knocker.
Word, bitch, Phantoms like a motherfucker.
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Re: Ding Dong The Twinkies Are Dead
« Reply #25 on: November 16, 2012, 12:29:44 PM »
i'm not a business major...but i don't see how a company such as pepsi co.  or nestle doesn't step in to buy that brand.  i can't imagine an american icon such as the twinkie falls off the face of the earth.
Hostess is liquidating all of their assets, which includes the recipes for all of their products.  That shit is probably already sold.  Like you said, way too iconic for another company to pass up.
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Re: Ding Dong The Twinkies Are Dead
« Reply #26 on: November 16, 2012, 12:39:57 PM »
States finally legalizing marijuana and no Twinkies, that’s shit, is fucked up.   
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Re: Ding Dong The Twinkies Are Dead
« Reply #27 on: November 16, 2012, 01:43:34 PM »
Tallahassee weeps

Oh, this Twinkie thing, it ain't over yet.
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Re: Ding Dong The Twinkies Are Dead
« Reply #28 on: November 16, 2012, 03:20:17 PM »
It's apparently Mitt Romney's fault, not W's.

OCCUPY HOSTESS BRANDS!

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Union: 'Bain-style' killing of Twinkie
By: Kevin Cirilli
November 16, 2012 01:18 PM EST
 
The Bain attack is back.

This time it’s being used against Hostess Brands, the Twinkies and Wonder Bread maker that announced Friday it was closing. AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka drew the comparison in a public statement Friday.

“What’s happening with Hostess Brands is a microcosm of what’s wrong with America, as Bain-style Wall Street vultures make themselves rich by making America poor,” Trumka said in a public statement. “Crony capitalism and consistently poor management drove Hostess into the ground, but its workers are paying the price.”


Earlier Friday, Hostess Brands announced that it would be closing, which the company said was precipitated by a workers’ strike.

Trumka’s comparing Hostess to Bain comes after an election in which former GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney was criticized for co-founding Bain Capital.

The union leader took the workers’ the side, saying Hostess’ leaders and policies were “wrecking America.”
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I think rapacious, inflexible unions and a healthier American lifestyle is more responsible for Twinkies' woes but that's just the view from Realsville.

Somebody might want to migrate this one over to teh SGA...


More from Politico here:

http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=9C2246B2-782A-4BFF-8345-1D6AC24CCC46
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Re: Ding Dong The Twinkies Are Dead
« Reply #29 on: November 16, 2012, 03:23:10 PM »
In Mexico, you know what they call Twinkies? "Los submarinos."
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Re: Ding Dong The Twinkies Are Dead
« Reply #30 on: November 16, 2012, 04:33:08 PM »
It's apparently Mitt Romney's fault, not W's.

OCCUPY HOSTESS BRANDS!

I think rapacious, inflexible unions and a healthier American lifestyle is more responsible for Twinkies' woes but that's just the view from Realsville.

Somebody might want to migrate this one over to teh SGA...


More from Politico here:

http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=9C2246B2-782A-4BFF-8345-1D6AC24CCC46

It's actually documented fact the labor costs were what did it more than anything. And they were striking for even more. The CEO saw the writing on the wall. It was a no win situation.
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Re: Ding Dong The Twinkies Are Dead
« Reply #31 on: November 16, 2012, 04:50:03 PM »
Where are you, you spongy, yellow, delicious bastards?
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Re: Ding Dong The Twinkies Are Dead
« Reply #32 on: November 16, 2012, 05:15:59 PM »
It's actually documented fact the labor costs were what did it more than anything. And they were striking for even more. The CEO saw the writing on the wall. It was a no win situation.

So, rapacious, inflexible unions it is then.  I don't like to see anyone out of work but they did this to themselves.
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Re: Ding Dong The Twinkies Are Dead
« Reply #33 on: November 17, 2012, 05:13:58 AM »
Twinkies gone? Oh well, never liked them anyway. The last time I had a Twinkie was about 20 years ago, never wanted one since.
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« Reply #34 on: November 17, 2012, 11:05:11 AM »
Sno-Balls? Sno-Balls? Sno Balls? Where's the fucking Twinkies?
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« Reply #35 on: November 17, 2012, 02:39:56 PM »
Where are you, you spongy, yellow, delicious bastards?

This, combined with the Mayan calendar leads me to believe the zombie apocalypse may indeed be upon us.
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« Reply #36 on: November 17, 2012, 08:31:36 PM »
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Re: Ding Dong The Twinkies Are Dead
« Reply #37 on: November 21, 2012, 10:07:55 PM »
Just in case anybody really cares, Hostess is now officially done.  A judge ordered the two sides into mediation, but talks have failed.  The judge has now approved the liquidation plan.  The story below gives an interesting perspective on the situation, and some insight into the operations of the company.  It looks like some of the issues with the company may have actually been created by union rules. 

http://www.foxbusiness.com/investing/2012/11/19/death-twinkies-union-contract-hit/
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In the death of Hostess Brands, progenitor of Twinkies, Devil Dogs and Ding Dongs and other artery-clogging, icing-adorned icons of Americana, plenty of factors get the blame.

Management didn’t cut deep enough, soon enough. Plants didn’t update. Marketing failed to innovate. The product line stayed unstintingly junky, defiantly flouting America’s reluctant reset to low-fat fare.

But the real reason Hostess had to die at this particular time? This was a union contract hit.

And that offers a disturbing glimpse into the delusional, drunk-with-power mindset of unions -- which represent barely 7% of the private work force in the U.S. -- as they embark on a second term of way-too-cozy relations with their supplicant in the White House. 

President Obama, ever grateful for the millions of dollars and thousands of foot soldiers provided by union support, will continue trying to end-run Congress and make it easier for unions to sink their hooks into business.

Yet unions are in stark denial of the need for significant cutbacks in their lush contracts if their employers are to survive. This is especially true in the demise of Hostess Brands.

Hostess’s hired gun and CEO, Gregory Rayburn, the workout “cleaner” creditors had brought in to try to save the company, had said repeatedly that he would have to shut it down unless a dozen unions accepted cutbacks in pay, benefits and stupid, featherbedding union work rules. 

Even the Teamsters had agreed to his plan. (And those guys “will crack you over the head,” as a union guy warned me many years ago when a strike loomed at the Detroit News and I, a lowly intern, had said I might cross any picket line.)

But the 5,600 workers in the bakers union at Hostess went on strike. The leadership of the Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco Workers and Grain Millers whispered to workers that the company was bluffing, or a white-knight buyer may emerge. Hard to know whether this was blatant deception or foolish miscalculation; I’d suspect a bit of both.

Then Rayburn, somber not swaggering, came on-air with me on “Markets Now” in the noon hour on Thursday and reiterated his threat: The bakers must return to work by 5 p.m. that day, or the company would file to liquidate on Friday. See the video here.

Rayburn even had a company press release hand-delivered to picketing workers at a dozen plants, warning them of the 5 o’clock ultimatum.  He was hoping to separate the members from their kamikaze leadership.

It didn’t work. On Friday, Hostess filed in bankruptcy court to liquidate the company. With extreme prejudice. Today, Rayburn seeks court permission to start selling off pieces.

So now all 18,500 workers at Hostess Brands just lost their jobs. Way to go guys!  Bake me a lie, as fast as you can.

Brace yourself for a wave of union propaganda-as-apologia. You’ll hear Obama-echoes of sniping against private equity a la Mitt-Bain Capital: “Romney-Style Economics Behind Decline of Hostess, But Workers Are Paying the Price,” says one website affiliated, predictably, with the AFL-CIO.

Those vulture capitalists must have sucked out hundreds of millions of dollars by leveraging up the company, right? (Answer: wrong. Ripplewood Holdings injected a total $150 million in three dollops as Hostess sank deeper into trouble.  It lost every dollar.)

The unions will say management had given itself millions in pay raises while demanding worker cuts. (True, but the raises were barely a rounding error at a company that had lost almost half a billion bucks in two years; and Rayburn rescinded the raises anyway, making the brass work for a dollar a year apiece.) 

The unions will blame the company for taking on almost $900 million in debt. (Yet that debt cost Hostess all of $45 million in interest last year, when its total losses swelled up to $340 million). 

And here’s what you won't hear the unions ever talk about:

--Hostess paid out almost $100 million in health benefits for retirees last year, but over half of it covered workers who never had worked at Hostess.  The Teamsters’ onerous and antiquated “multi-employer pension plan” foists the pension obligations of a bankrupt company on to the balance sheets of surviving rivals—ensuring a steady death spiral in any declining industry. A similar “MEPP” almost killed YRC, one of the largest trucking companies.

--Union rules forced Hostess to run separate truck fleets for delivering bread vs. sweets. A sweets driver, serving a 7-11 store, was forbidden from restocking shelves with breads already delivered and waiting in the back—he had to call for a bread driver to swing by and handle.

--The union restrictions on the 5,500 distribution routes at Hostess made it unprofitable to serve tiny outlets, yet Hostess was barred from using smaller, sleeker—and non-union—distributors.

--Workers were asked to take an 8% pay cut and pay 17% of their health-care costs instead of zero. Welcome to the club, guys.  For this, they would have received 25% ownership of Hostess plus $100 million of Hostess debt to be paid back to the unions.

But the bakers wouldn’t budge.

In the months ahead a chop-shop or food giant may resurrect various Hostess brands, but those 36 plants are shuttered, those 18,500 jobs are gone for good. The union preferred to picket while an 85-year-old company suffocated . . . rather than risk having to face inevitable demands for similar concessions at other employers across the country. 

Those demands will be forthcoming, anyway, because, as President Obama likes to say in slapping the rich with higher taxes, the math doesn’t work.  The only questions are which union will be next, and whether anyone reasonable (or sane) will be listening.

Even a parasite is smart enough to know not to kill its host.  In the case of unions, the presence of such preternatural intelligence isn’t yet readily apparent.
25% ownership in the company would have been a pretty good deal, IMO.
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