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SCOTUS upholds Obamacare

Re: SCOTUS upholds Obamacare
« Reply #100 on: July 03, 2012, 08:53:44 PM »
Romney care isn't any better.

Elect Gary Johnson

What's good about Gary Johnson?
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Re: SCOTUS upholds Obamacare
« Reply #101 on: July 03, 2012, 09:29:15 PM »
What's good about Gary Johnson?


His platform emphasized tax cuts, job creation, state government spending growth restraint, and law and order.

As governor, Johnson followed a strict small government approach.

"Any time someone approached him about legislation for some purpose, his first response always was to ask if government should be involved in that to begin with."

He vetoed 200 of 424 bills in his first six months in office – a national record of 48% of all legislation – and used the line-item veto on most remaining bills. In office, Johnson fulfilled his campaign promise to reduce the 10% annual growth of the state budget.

 In 1999, Johnson became one of the highest-ranking elected officials in the United States to advocate the legalization of marijuana. Saying the War on Drugs was "an expensive bust," he advocated the decriminalization of marijuana use

Johnson's accomplishments in office were described as follows: "no tax increases in six years, a major road building program, shifting Medicaid to managed care, constructing two new private prisons, canning 1,200 state employees, and vetoing a record number of bills."

According to one New Mexico paper, "Johnson left the state fiscally solid," and was "arguably the most popular governor of the decade . . . leaving the state with a $1 billion budget surplus."

 During his tenure as governor, Johnson adhered to an anti-tax and anti-bureaucracy policy, setting state and national records for his use of veto powers: more than the other 49 contemporary governors put together. Term-limited, Johnson could not run for re-election at the end of his second term. As a fitness enthusiast, Johnson has taken part in several Ironman Triathlons, and he climbed Mount Everest in May 2003.
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Re: SCOTUS upholds Obamacare
« Reply #102 on: July 04, 2012, 09:32:11 PM »
IT SAYS "TAX".

Oh, so it is a tax...so much for it being a penalty. It says "tax".

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TAX ON INDIVIDUALS WITHOUT ACCEPTABLE HEALTH CARE
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http://waysandmeans.house.gov/media/pdf/111/AAHCA09001xml.pdf
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Re: SCOTUS upholds Obamacare
« Reply #103 on: July 05, 2012, 10:14:11 PM »
Question: What did you like about Romneycare that is different from Obamacare? Besides it being a state vs. federal government program.

Some facts on romneycare I looked up myself:

Mitt didnt write most of what is in it
Massachusetts' legislature had a supermajority of democrats while Romney was governor
Romney actually vetoed most of it and was overridden
Teddy Kennedy had a ton of input into the bill
Most of Massachusetts citizens wanted the bill
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Re: SCOTUS upholds Obamacare
« Reply #104 on: July 05, 2012, 10:45:50 PM »

His platform emphasized tax cuts, job creation, state government spending growth restraint, and law and order.

As governor, Johnson followed a strict small government approach.

"Any time someone approached him about legislation for some purpose, his first response always was to ask if government should be involved in that to begin with."

He vetoed 200 of 424 bills in his first six months in office – a national record of 48% of all legislation – and used the line-item veto on most remaining bills. In office, Johnson fulfilled his campaign promise to reduce the 10% annual growth of the state budget.

 In 1999, Johnson became one of the highest-ranking elected officials in the United States to advocate the legalization of marijuana. Saying the War on Drugs was "an expensive bust," he advocated the decriminalization of marijuana use

Johnson's accomplishments in office were described as follows: "no tax increases in six years, a major road building program, shifting Medicaid to managed care, constructing two new private prisons, canning 1,200 state employees, and vetoing a record number of bills."

According to one New Mexico paper, "Johnson left the state fiscally solid," and was "arguably the most popular governor of the decade . . . leaving the state with a $1 billion budget surplus."

 During his tenure as governor, Johnson adhered to an anti-tax and anti-bureaucracy policy, setting state and national records for his use of veto powers: more than the other 49 contemporary governors put together. Term-limited, Johnson could not run for re-election at the end of his second term. As a fitness enthusiast, Johnson has taken part in several Ironman Triathlons, and he climbed Mount Everest in May 2003.
. That's the good stuff. And for the most part I like him as well. But he has some cons too. He adamant stance against tariffs is one that is hard for me to overlook. Even Ron Paul has seemed bewildered by being against any tariff of any kind. It's just bad business on the federal level to be like that.
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Re: SCOTUS upholds Obamacare
« Reply #105 on: May 13, 2013, 07:04:46 PM »
http://www.atr.org/obamacare-taxpayers-must-report-personal-health-a7611

Obamacare: Taxpayers Must Report Personal Health ID Info to IRS

When Obamacare’s individual mandate takes effect in 2014, all Americans who file income tax returns must complete an additional IRS tax form.

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Big M GOOGLE EXCLUDED INCOME • 8 hours ago

I hate to burst your bubble, but the 861 defense will get you nowhere, because Title 26 has nothing to do with the IRS, and the crooked judges in these courts know it quite well. By its own admission, the IRS is a debt collection agency, and so comes under Title 15, which deals with collection practices. They cite Title 26 in order to confuse people. I can tell you without hesitation, every single person who has raised an 861 defense has lost. That would include people like Larken Rose.

One more thing. Not only does Title 26 not define "income" AT ALL, but the money earned by somebody working in the private sector in exchange for their skills and labor is NOT income, which was defined in a 1921 Supreme Court case as gain or profit from corporate activity. This is another reason why an 861 defense is just wandering down a blind alley.

Before you reply, be sure to look at Sections 61-63 of Title 26. They define gross income, adjusted gross income, and taxable income. If you don't define "income," it's basically impossible to legally define those things, right? If you don't define what a horse is, how do you define different breeds of horses? And remember what I mentioned above. Title 26 does NOT apply to the IRS, it applies to the Department of Internal Revenue. That's why it's called Internal Revenue Code, and not Internal Revenue Service Code. The Department of Internal Revenue is a US government agency. The Internal Revenue Service is a private, for-profit debt collection agency. They are two completely different animals.


http://www.atr.org/obamacare-taxpayers-must-report-personal-health-a7611#comment-895925691
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