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Are Families Considered Evil?

Are Families Considered Evil?
« on: April 26, 2012, 12:05:22 PM »
It's common perception of corporations that they are evil, greedy, oppressing entities that damage the quality of life for Americans.  Why?  I don't really know.  But the sentiment is out there that these dastardly dominions of wealth must be stopped.  Even though most of them start with small beginnings and work their way to being large, successful, powerful businesses, they must be stopped!

I'm starting to see the same resentment and hostility shown towards families especially when it comes to wealthy and prosperity. 

Families can be seen as a business. 

You have a father and mother that produce children.  The father and mother work to create a small networth.  They die.  The leftover money is passed along to the children that they have raised and enabled to be successful.  These kids use that money to produce more money and more kids.  This process if consistently successful can and should lead to longlasting and sizeable wealth for the family's name. 

Obviously most families don't have that kind of longterm success, but isn't that what we all strive for?  Isn't that what we would all say we want for our descendents? 

So why are people like Romney chastised for inheriting money from his father and using it to be successful? 

He didn't blow through it like an immature lottery winner.  He didn't squander it like a spoiled bum.  He used it to better himself and his wife and his children. 

Yet, we get pictures like this:



Notice that Barack and Michelle's first statement is that they didn't come from wealthy families as if that's  most important positive point in the statement.  They accumulated debt and paid it off and were ultimately successful.

It's a great success story.  But it seems to demonize, albeit subtley, people like the Romney's who are pictured to the right.  They with their despicable inheritance didn't have to accumulate debt.  They did come from a wealthy family.  But ultimately, they ended up in the same place as the Obamas - wealthy and successful.

One thing I ask the president (and anyone that supports the notion) is whether or not he wants his children to run for political office.  Does he want his children to be successful?  His two daughters will be - thanks to Barack's hard work - exactly like the Romneys.  They will have the trust fund.  The financial protection.  The investment opportunities.  The chance to do anything in their wildest dreams and most likely, the background and upbringing to be successful.

Yet, Obama, democrats, and the left are painting people like Obama's daughters as something to be sneered at.  They're the problem

It's hypocrisy at its finest. 
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Re: Are Families Considered Evil?
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2012, 12:40:20 PM »
I think the political left has been at war with the traditional, nuclear family for a long, long time.  At the end of the day a strong Family as the most fundamental, influential, hierarchical structure of this nation takes away potential power from FedGov.  The Left seems to take opportunities to vilify the family, or parts there-of like stay-at-home Moms (recent example: Democrat Operative, Hilary Rosen's attack on Ann Romney).  I think that they ultimately prefer that FedGov replace Mom and Dad.  I'm telling you I think that the left looks down on a woman who chooses to raise a child rather than choosing to abort it; the latter seen as a courageous act of feminism at it's greatest  I know that many of you don't particularly like Sarah Palin but I'm convinced that one reason why the Left scorned her so is because she chose to raise a child with Down's Syndrome rather than abort it; and she was doing this while trying to manage a career in government service.  The economic policy that this administration is pursuing is also part of a covert war on families as I see it with this stealthy, nefarious, and un-discussed use of inflation to drive up the price of everything (high gas prices are the most visible example of that; it's not high because of supply and demand).  The Left hate the idea of home-schooling, they hate the idea of charter schools, and they hate the idea of religious school because these institutions reduce the effectiveness of FedGov Indoctrination Centers otherwise known as Public Schools.  And I'm tacking around the religious aspect of this I know but we'll have to leave that part of it to another Forum.  Just my 2 cent rant this afternoon.
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Re: Are Families Considered Evil?
« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2012, 12:56:30 PM »
1. Romney's family wasn't always wealthy. They actually lived in exile in Mexico for a long time. Romney didn't get a lot of his dad's inheritance until he was already rich himself (his dad died in the 90's I believe). Believe it or not, he actually has humble beginnings.

2. Michelle came from a very nice middle class family. Her family has all done well and she hasn't went without.

3. In re: to what TH said, Ann Romney's family was actually a working class family from Wales. They were coal miners and steel mill workers. In fact, the steel factory that some of her family members worked at in Wales produced some of the steel that helped to build many things in D.C.

The only reason the masses have the perception of Michelle/Barry being working class, growing up poor and Mitt/Ann being mean rich old white people, is 100% mainstream media brainwashing. People need to start questioning things more instead of taking anything they hear in the "news" as fact.

I don't agree with Mitt on a lot of things politically, but I've never questioned him personally - whether it be loyalty to his wife (married since 1969) or being a good dad to his kids. They seem to all be real close and have a tight knit family structure. That should be a good thing - it's just too bad the media, fedgov and a bunch of liberal weirdos have to piss on the "normalcy" parade.
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Re: Are Families Considered Evil?
« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2012, 01:11:22 PM »
1. Romney's family wasn't always wealthy. They actually lived in exile in Mexico for a long time. Romney didn't get a lot of his dad's inheritance until he was already rich himself (his dad died in the 90's I believe). Believe it or not, he actually has humble beginnings.

2. Michelle came from a very nice middle class family. Her family has all done well and she hasn't went without.

3. In re: to what TH said, Ann Romney's family was actually a working class family from Wales. They were coal miners and steel mill workers. In fact, the steel factory that some of her family members worked at in Wales produced some of the steel that helped to build many things in D.C.

The only reason the masses have the perception of Michelle/Barry being working class, growing up poor and Mitt/Ann being mean rich old white people, is 100% mainstream media brainwashing. People need to start questioning things more instead of taking anything they hear in the "news" as fact.

I don't agree with Mitt on a lot of things politically, but I've never questioned him personally - whether it be loyalty to his wife (married since 1969) or being a good dad to his kids. They seem to all be real close and have a tight knit family structure. That should be a good thing - it's just too bad the media, fedgov and a bunch of liberal weirdos have to piss on the "normalcy" parade.

My understanding is that Romney gave away all of the wealth that he inherited from his Dad to his church.  There's no independent corroboration of this fact but the evidence supports the claim by Romney.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jan/20/mitt-romney/mitt-romney-says-he-didnt-inherit-money-his-parent/

And 'Amen' on your other points.

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The government solution to a problem is usually as bad as the problem.
-Milton Friedman

The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'
-Ronald Reagan

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
-Thomas Jefferson

Re: Are Families Considered Evil?
« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2012, 01:17:19 PM »
I don't mean to keep this specifically on the presidential race.  We're villifying successful families.  Why? 

It doesn't make any sense.  They've earn the American dream.  Shouldn't that be lauded? 

And I'm really not focusing on the traditional family with traditional values.  Even if it's an unconventional family with eccentric values, if they're successful, their kids should be able to use that success for their benefit. 

No criticism is warranted. 

It's the same thing with corporations.  One business is successful because it worked hard, worked smart, and worked long.  Instead of being seen as a model, it's seen as the devil. 
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Re: Are Families Considered Evil?
« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2012, 01:19:46 PM »
I don't mean to keep this specifically on the presidential race.  We're villifying successful families.  Why? 

It doesn't make any sense.  They've earn the American dream.  Shouldn't that be lauded? 

And I'm really not focusing on the traditional family with traditional values.  Even if it's an unconventional family with eccentric values, if they're successful, their kids should be able to use that success for their benefit. 

No criticism is warranted. 

It's the same thing with corporations.  One business is successful because it worked hard, worked smart, and worked long.  Instead of being seen as a model, it's seen as the devil.


Look to a certain deadly sin.

Envy.
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« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2012, 01:43:50 PM »
I don't mean to keep this specifically on the presidential race.  We're villifying successful families.  Why? 

It doesn't make any sense.  They've earn the American dream.  Shouldn't that be lauded? 

And I'm really not focusing on the traditional family with traditional values.  Even if it's an unconventional family with eccentric values, if they're successful, their kids should be able to use that success for their benefit. 

No criticism is warranted. 

It's the same thing with corporations.  One business is successful because it worked hard, worked smart, and worked long.  Instead of being seen as a model, it's seen as the devil.

This "we" your referring to are the Democrats as I see it.

Recusing my comments from family-values; I don't see Republicans generally vilifying the concept of the family; especially conservative Republicans.  Even the gay Republican groups (like, Log Cabin Republicans and GOProud) support traditional and non-traditional families.

On the other hand, Democrats and Socialists see the government as family.  This makes sense to them because the government is, in essence, the provider...not moms and dads...or two moms...or two dads.
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The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
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-Ronald Reagan

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Re: Are Families Considered Evil?
« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2012, 03:13:08 PM »
Even the gay Republican groups (like, Log Cabin Republicans and GOProud)

Which one of those is GarMan in? Or does he have dual membership?
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« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2012, 03:22:20 PM »
Ever since Murphy Brown slept with Dan Quayle things aint been right.
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« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2012, 03:31:16 PM »
 People need to start questioning things more instead of taking anything they hear in the "news" as fact.


To question would cost one there benefits.   One does not question where Govt milk comes from as you suck at the Govt tit. And when the tit goes dry (and it will one day) they will blame anyone but who’s at fault.

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Re: Are Families Considered Evil?
« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2012, 03:38:16 PM »
Which one of those is GarMan in? Or does he have dual membership?

Boff'em...  Including IGLO and NAMBLA... 
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« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2012, 03:45:00 PM »

Boff'em...  Including IGLO and NAMBLA...

VV recruited you didn't he? Perverts
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« Reply #12 on: April 26, 2012, 04:18:24 PM »
This "we" your referring to are the Democrats as I see it.

Recusing my comments from family-values; I don't see Republicans generally vilifying the concept of the family; especially conservative Republicans.  Even the gay Republican groups (like, Log Cabin Republicans and GOProud) support traditional and non-traditional families.

On the other hand, Democrats and Socialists see the government as family.  This makes sense to them because the government is, in essence, the provider...not moms and dads...or two moms...or two dads.

Exactly. 

And I just realized why my post is unclear.  It's not families I should be focusing on.  It's success.

The extreme left hates success.  They hate it.  They use it to get votes but also use it to destroy character. 
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Re: Are Families Considered Evil?
« Reply #13 on: April 26, 2012, 04:39:13 PM »
When we refer to the extreme left, in general, it's the politicians, actors, media members etc. that have a voice.  I would doubt they hate success because I imagine most of the ones doing the talking have acheived a great degree of success themselves.  But part of what you said is the key.  It's about votes.  It's about that target "audience" and those voters who either aren't or don't view themselves as successful.  It's continuing to foster and promote that us against them mentality.  It's about dividing people into classes and catering to those that fall on your side of the fence so they'll keep voting for you...keep watching and listening to your talk show...keep buying your books and so on. 

Alec Baldwin doesn't hate the rich and successful.  He is rich and successful.  Nancy Pelosi doesn't despise the rich....she is herself.  Obama doesn't really believe the rich should pay "their fair share" because #1..he doesn't himself..and #2...he's just got to keep telling his supporters what they want to hear.     
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Re: Are Families Considered Evil?
« Reply #14 on: April 26, 2012, 04:53:41 PM »
When we refer to the extreme left, in general, it's the politicians, actors, media members etc. that have a voice.  I would doubt they hate success because I imagine most of the ones doing the talking have acheived a great degree of success themselves.  But part of what you said is the key.  It's about votes.  It's about that target "audience" and those voters who either aren't or don't view themselves as successful.  It's continuing to foster and promote that us against them mentality.  It's about dividing people into classes and catering to those that fall on your side of the fence so they'll keep voting for you...keep watching and listening to your talk show...keep buying your books and so on. 

Alec Baldwin doesn't hate the rich and successful.  He is rich and successful.  Nancy Pelosi doesn't despise the rich....she is herself.  Obama doesn't really believe the rich should pay "their fair share" because #1..he doesn't himself..and #2...he's just got to keep telling his supporters what they want to hear.   

But that's not really accurate.  I don't think people like Pelosi see themselves as rich and successful.  They see themselves with power and influence.  These celebrities are all the same.  They don't promote their success and encourage others to do the same.  They want to use their money and fame to have influence over the people. 

Ultimately, you can take money and notoriety out of it.  It's about control.  It's about all real success stories being demonized and only a select few making the decisions.  It's like a process.  Obama is rich and successful much like Romney, but Obama doesn't truly care for others to follow in his footsteps.  I'm being too hard on Obama here, and this is more so for discussion sake.

That's the M.O. of a socialism.  Everyone is even.  Everyone is equal.  Everyone works for the ruling class, and the ruling class isn't a success story.  They aren't rich.  They are merely the ones with power and influence. 
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« Reply #15 on: April 26, 2012, 05:01:55 PM »
From teh wiki's

Financial status
 
Nancy Pelosi is among the richest members of Congress,[109] with an estimated net worth of approximately $58 million, the 12th highest estimated net worth in Congress, according to the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics.[110]
 
While members of Congress are not required to disclose their exact net worth, organizations such as the Center for Responsive Politics prepare estimated ranges based on public disclosures. The CRP's midpoint estimate of the Pelosis' net worth is $58,436,537 as of 2009, the most recent year for which figures are available, with a possible range from $7 million to $124 million.[111]
 
In addition to their large portfolio of jointly owned San Francisco Bay Area real estate, the couple also owns a vineyard in St. Helena, California, valued between $5 million and $25 million.[citation needed] Pelosi's husband also owns stock, including $1 million in Apple Inc.[citation needed], and is the owner of the Sacramento Mountain Lions of the United Football League.
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