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Re: Donald Trump for President?
« Reply #60 on: April 20, 2011, 10:28:15 AM »
I understood him to say that a horse effed him.

Gonna have to give me a hint on that one.

So, really, people are taking Trump seriously? 
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Re: Donald Trump for President?
« Reply #61 on: April 20, 2011, 12:01:40 PM »
It's not really a stretch.  Yes, America may be sitting on more oil, but until you've found it, it can't be considered a proven oil reserve.  Countries with more proven oil reserves are going to naturally export more oil than those with fewer proven oil reserves, regardless of the reason why there are fewer proven oil reserves in certain countries.  You may be sitting on it, but until you find it, you can't export it.  On the other hand, if you're sitting on it and you've found it in abundance, then it's a pretty safe assumption that you will export oil in relative proportion to the amount that you have readily available in the proven oil reserves.

You continue to parrot the party line simplistically tying this concept of "proven oil reserves" to production without acknowledging the handicapping impact of government over-regulation.  My point here is that the US oil industry would explore (in other words, find more proven oil reserves) and produce more if the government would merely ease regulations.  You are discussing a logical relationship of cause and effect, but you stop short of identifying the true cause as in why these "proven oil reserves" in the US seem to be on the decline.  Today, we have more regulation on our oil industry than ever before, and some regulations evolve with our political climate. 

Remember from 1990 - 1999, gas consistently hovered at around 99 cents a gallon?  In mid to late 1999, the price spiked to around $1.10 and then aggressively increased from there, maintaining an average of about $1.40 for 2000-2003'ish before spiking again due to the Iraq war, Hurricane Katrina, etc.

Actually, I remember paying 70 cents per gallon in the late 80s and early 90s. 

This was largely due to the alleged "energy crisis" that was referred to in reports from the United States Department of Energy.  Some of these reports went so far as to claim that oil reserves were decreasing in size, but most of the reports focused on a more quantifiable and believable stance:  the rate at which we are finding new oil reserves is decreasing so that we will not be able to sustain our rate of oil consumption, which continued to grow each year.  The last source I checked indicated that, based upon our current consumption rate and knowledge of existing oil reserves, we would be out of oil within 47 years if no additional reserves were to be found.

Yeah...  There's always an apocalypse on the horizon, but as in most cases, this one is caused and hyped by an over-reaching government hellbent on obtaining more power and control.  It's 47 years today, 25 years tomorrow and 53 years 2 weeks from now.  In fact, I even recall hearing that we had less than 10 years before we ran out of oil.  I've heard it all before.  They just conveniently forget to tell us that we still have far more "unproved reserves" than all the "proven reserves" combined over the last 50+ years. 

Now, as you said, there are a variety of oil reserves that have yet to be discovered, but with a futures market that revolves around speculation, these reports on the status of proven oil reserves do affect prices, even if those reports don't necessarily indicate that we're close to scraping the bottom of the barrel yet.  Afterall, it's a futures market, so the speculators are more worried about instability in the long run than they are stability in the present.

Meanwhile, in the real world, futures traders are more skittish than stray dogs.  The average futures trader doesn't have a clue about any proven oil reserves.  Many are merely holding out for the next crisis that drives oil prices up and put several grand in their pocket. 
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Re: Donald Trump for President?
« Reply #62 on: April 20, 2011, 01:08:45 PM »
You continue to parrot the party line simplistically tying this concept of "proven oil reserves" to production without acknowledging the handicapping impact of government over-regulation.  My point here is that the US oil industry would explore (in other words, find more proven oil reserves) and produce more if the government would merely ease regulations.  You are discussing a logical relationship of cause and effect, but you stop short of identifying the true cause as in why these "proven oil reserves" in the US seem to be on the decline.  Today, we have more regulation on our oil industry than ever before, and some regulations evolve with our political climate. 

Actually, I remember paying 70 cents per gallon in the late 80s and early 90s. 

Yeah...  There's always an apocalypse on the horizon, but as in most cases, this one is caused and hyped by an over-reaching government hellbent on obtaining more power and control.  It's 47 years today, 25 years tomorrow and 53 years 2 weeks from now.  In fact, I even recall hearing that we had less than 10 years before we ran out of oil.  I've heard it all before.  They just conveniently forget to tell us that we still have far more "unproved reserves" than all the "proven reserves" combined over the last 50+ years. 

Meanwhile, in the real world, futures traders are more skittish than stray dogs.  The average futures trader doesn't have a clue about any proven oil reserves.  Many are merely holding out for the next crisis that drives oil prices up and put several grand in their pocket.

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Re: Donald Trump for President?
« Reply #63 on: April 20, 2011, 01:40:44 PM »
Gonna have to give me a hint on that one.

So, really, people are taking Trump seriously?


If by 'people' you mean the Republican establishment; then I'd have to say the answer is 'no', he's not being taken seriously.

My personal, anecdotal-based opinion is that he's having a little fun with this like he's done in the past but he's not going to run for office.

I do think that the general public likes his brash, in-your-face attitude.  Even I enjoyed seeing him smack-down little Georgi Stephanopoulous recently.
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Re: Donald Trump for President?
« Reply #64 on: April 20, 2011, 03:27:12 PM »

If by 'people' you mean the Republican establishment; then I'd have to say the answer is 'no', he's not being taken seriously.

My personal, anecdotal-based opinion is that he's having a little fun with this like he's done in the past but he's not going to run for office.

I do think that the general public likes his brash, in-your-face attitude.  Even I enjoyed seeing him smack-down little Georgi Stephanopoulous recently.

Curious, I heard he is polling pretty well and I saw where he interviewed on Gretta Man Susteren and Hannity doing some interviews.  I am not keeping up like I should, but it's easy to start listening to the news and then drinking heavily or finding something to do outside.
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Re: Donald Trump for President?
« Reply #65 on: April 20, 2011, 03:29:17 PM »
Curious, I heard he is polling pretty well and I saw where he interviewed on Gretta Man Susteren and Hannity doing some interviews.  I am not keeping up like I should, but it's easy to start listening to the news and then drinking heavily or finding something to do outside.

Thats relative.

Polling well against other GOPs? Yes.

Polling well against the Obama-nation? Hell no. He would lose by double digits today per all the major polls.
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Re: Donald Trump for President?
« Reply #66 on: April 20, 2011, 03:41:06 PM »
Thats relative.

Polling well against other GOPs? Yes.

Polling well against the Obama-nation? Hell no. He would lose by double digits today per all the major polls.

I haven't looked at any polls, just hear the occasional headline or someone say, Trump is polling well.
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Re: Donald Trump for President?
« Reply #67 on: April 20, 2011, 07:06:28 PM »
To hell with Trump running for Prez. What a fucking joke. As far as getting Obama Bin Laden, I think Gingrich will be the only one capable of doing that.
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« Reply #68 on: April 20, 2011, 07:31:37 PM »
Curious, I heard he is polling pretty well and I saw where he interviewed on Gretta Man Susteren and Hannity doing some interviews.  I am not keeping up like I should, but it's easy to start listening to the news and then drinking heavily or finding something to do outside.
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To hell with Trump running for Prez. What a fucking joke.   :thumsup: As far as getting Obama Bin Laden, I think Gingrich will be the only one capable of doing that.
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Re: Donald Trump for President?
« Reply #69 on: April 21, 2011, 12:05:25 AM »
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Yeah, yeah...... I actually like Greta Man, to me she has the least bias. I don't like Hannity that much, but I love me some Alisyn Camerota, Megyn Kelly, Jenna Lee, Julie Banderas, Courtney Friel.....I think you get the picture.
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Re: Donald Trump for President?
« Reply #70 on: April 21, 2011, 11:15:05 AM »
Yeah, yeah...... I actually like Greta Man, to me she has the least bias. I don't like Hannity that much, but I love me some Alisyn Camerota, Megyn Kelly, Jenna Lee, Julie Banderas, Courtney Friel.....I think you get the picture.

 :thumsup:

Andrea Tantaros, Martha MacCallum, Ainsley Earhardt, Sandra Smith - you get the picture.

And I actually have to agree with AWK on Gingrich. Dude sold out to the neocons YEARS ago, post Contract with America. He's another Bush now IMHO.
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« Reply #71 on: April 21, 2011, 11:23:19 AM »
:thumsup:

Andrea Tantaros, Martha MacCallum, Ainsley Earhardt, Sandra Smith - you get the picture.

And I actually have to agree with AWK on Gingrich. Dude sold out to the neocons YEARS ago, post Contract with America. He's another Bush now IMHO.

Palin, Trump, Newt: Do Not Want.  Don't really care for Romney, damn sure don't want Crazy Mike.......sigh........... 

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Re: Donald Trump for President?
« Reply #72 on: April 21, 2011, 11:27:41 AM »
Palin, Trump, Newt: Do Not Want.  Don't really care for Romney, damn sure don't want Crazy Mike.......sigh...........


CHRIS FUCKING CHRISTIE needs to enter this race. Its his for the taking!! Same goes for Ryan, Jindal, Paul. Fuck the rest of em.
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Re: Donald Trump for President?
« Reply #73 on: April 21, 2011, 11:32:35 AM »


CHRIS effING CHRISTIE needs to enter this race. Its his for the taking!! Same goes for Ryan, Jindal, Paul. eff the rest of em.

Yeah, that would make me excited about it.  I am really hoping that Jindal, Duncan D Hunter (the son), Paul and some of the others make huge strides and are able to make a go at it for the next round of elections.  I don't think they are ready atm.

Uncle Sani, you and Jarhead would probably like to read up on Hunter.   He is one of Americas best.
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Re: Donald Trump for President?
« Reply #74 on: April 21, 2011, 12:12:42 PM »
I'm not saying I like ole Newt either, I'm just speaking in terms of who I think would have the best chance of taking the White House. There will be tons of people who vote that will rely on name recognition, that sucks but I think this is the case for lots of folks who don't know shit about politics.
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Re: Donald Trump for President?
« Reply #75 on: April 21, 2011, 01:29:55 PM »
I'm not saying I like ole Newt either, I'm just speaking in terms of who I think would have the best chance of taking the White House. There will be tons of people who vote that will rely on name recognition, that sucks but I think this is the case for lots of folks who don't know shit about politics.

Tactically in a debate.....yes.

PR wise, in the light of public perception....no.

Newt, much like Palin, is very polarizing. He has a ton of skeletons in his closet as well personally, and don't think for a minute that the Obama-nation won't use it to lessen him.

Christie/Cain.
Christie/Paul.
Jindal/Ryan.
Christie/West

Hell, any combo of any of the above names is fine with me.

And yes, Hunter is good AUT1. His dad made a lot of sense in the last election. Like Tancredo and Paul, he was very blunt and said a lot of things that were true that people didn't wanna hear. Duncan D. would be fine by me.
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« Reply #76 on: April 21, 2011, 01:58:09 PM »
Tactically in a debate.....yes.

PR wise, in the light of public perception....no.

Newt, much like Palin, is very polarizing. He has a ton of skeletons in his closet as well personally, and don't think for a minute that the Obama-nation won't use it to lessen him.

Christie/Cain.
Christie/Paul.
Jindal/Ryan.
Christie/West


Hell, any combo of any of the above names is fine with me.

And yes, Hunter is good AUT1. His dad made a lot of sense in the last election. Like Tancredo and Paul, he was very blunt and said a lot of things that were true that people didn't wanna hear. Duncan D. would be fine by me.

Like all of those combos as well................................but..........but, If I am just dreaming up a ticket.  Give me Duncan D as Pres and Ron Paul as VP and I can call it a day and know that the country is in pretty good hands.

I know that several don't like ole Ron, but by god I do.  His foreign policy scares the shit out of, but deep down I agree with it.  I would love to pull all troops home, close off the borders, become self sufficient and tell the rest of the world to piss up a rope.  In reality we can't afford to allow it, and as far as ebing self sufficient, it would take several years to get the infrastructure in place.  Oh, but it would be nice.
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Re: Donald Trump for President?
« Reply #77 on: April 21, 2011, 03:48:13 PM »
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Christie/Cain.
Christie/Paul.
Jindal/Ryan.
Christie/West

That does sound nice, but ask yourself how did Obama get to the White House? For the majority, its a popular thing. No one knew shit about this guy except for he could be the first African American President and lots of folks hated Bush, which meant they hated Republicans. People who didn't even usually voted came out for this guy. Every media outlet was pushing Obama and raised him up on a high cloud. Who ever is on the Republican ticket will have to sell their face just has much has their points; and be DAMN good doing it. Yes, Obama is taking a hit in the popular polls now but the man also has deep pockets. The Republicans can do it but they had better be smart on who gets to the "Finals" with tons of money to keep up. This is why who ever the Republican face will be, needs to be just has polarizing has Obama was the first go around.
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Re: Donald Trump for President?
« Reply #78 on: April 22, 2011, 09:18:45 AM »
That does sound nice, but ask yourself how did Obama get to the White House? For the majority, its a popular thing. No one knew shit about this guy except for he could be the first African American President and lots of folks hated Bush, which meant they hated Republicans. People who didn't even usually voted came out for this guy. Every media outlet was pushing Obama and raised him up on a high cloud. Who ever is on the Republican ticket will have to sell their face just has much has their points; and be DAMN good doing it. Yes, Obama is taking a hit in the popular polls now but the man also has deep pockets. The Republicans can do it but they had better be smart on who gets to the "Finals" with tons of money to keep up. This is why who ever the Republican face will be, needs to be just has polarizing has Obama was the first go around.
He won on pretty slogans, being against anything Bush, playing the "first african american" card to the max, style over substance and having the media (paper, magazines and tv) in his back pocket. Thats how.

Allen West or Herman Cain were much more deserving of being the first black President. And they are actually "African American", not mullato. Sounds harsh, but its true.
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Re: Donald Trump for President?
« Reply #79 on: April 22, 2011, 10:32:53 AM »
He won on pretty slogans, being against anything Bush, playing the "first african american" card to the max, style over substance and having the media (paper, magazines and tv) in his back pocket. Thats how.

Allen West or Herman Cain were much more deserving of being the first black President. And they are actually "African American", not mullato. Sounds harsh, but its true.

Thats exaclty my point. He was and will be a media darling during the Presidential race. The Republicans will have to have a guy ready to take that head on and have his own savvy to hang. Somebody that has iron balls and the wit to mind whip somebody. I'm telling you, this is how it is.

For the record, I wish Colin Powell would run for President. Everyone has their faults but this guy has Presidential material. Just wishful thinking.
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