Honeymoon? It's over.

[Kaos]

Funny, I didn't see this same kind of gibberish when Saban's players were kicking out police car windows, terrorizing the Strip, punching out girlfriends, selling cocaine in the athletic department parking lot (in a ride financed by whom, exactly?), or robbing students in the middle of campus with a gun (albiet a BB gun, idiot). 

But Scarbinsky opted to throw eggs at Chizik.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/03/scarbo.html

Chizik's swift decision to permanently suspend those players tells you his verdict. Meanwhile, the court of public opinion, which already had thrown the book at Auburn based on unrelated incidents and unsubstantiated allegations, now has the strongest evidence yet to charge Chizik with running a rogue program.

Those players are idiots.  Dishonor on them, dishonor on their families, dishonor on their cows. 

[JR4AU]

Funny, I didn't see this same kind of gibberish when Saban's players were kicking out police car windows, terrorizing the Strip, punching out girlfriends, selling cocaine in the athletic department parking lot (in a ride financed by whom, exactly?), or robbing students in the middle of campus with a gun (albiet a BB gun, idiot). 

But Scarbinsky opted to throw eggs at Chizik.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/03/scarbo.html
 

Those players are idiots.  Dishonor on them, dishonor on their families, dishonor on their cows.

When someone explains to me how Chiz, or any coach, can prevent this kind of shit, instead of just react to it, then I'll entertain criticism of his running a rouge program. You state your rules, you state consequences for violation of them, and you stick to it.  That doesn't mean a jay walking ticket gets treated the same as armed robbery.  Eric Smith had just been kicked off the team for a misdemeanor arrest...these idiots didn't think they'd get a "second chance" if they decided to start with a full blown A Felony with a gun because Smith got one for a frat boy fight last year, or a third chance for a penalty in a game a couple of months ago.   Any argument to the contrary is pure blabber. 

[Ranger12]

It is all his fault. There is obviously some sort of break down in leadership. He must know what all 100+ players are doing every single minute of every single day, 365...on or off campus. Yet, if he would just have let the players stay on the team and maybe just suspended them a couple of games, it would have hardly gotten a mention in the media. That is how it works in this state, right?

[Jumbo]

It is all his fault. There is obviously some sort of break down in leadership. He must know what all 100+ players are doing every single minute of every single day, 365...on or off campus. Yet, if he would just have let the players stay on the team and maybe just suspended them a couple of games, it would have hardly gotten a mention in the media. That is how it works in this state, right?

Burn.

[Saniflush]

The NCAA cannot take the tools away (athletic dorms) and expect coaches to have more control over their players.  Even that will not guarantee it.  People will do stupid shit. 

[JR4AU]

The NCAA cannot take the tools away (athletic dorms) and expect coaches to have more control over their players.  Even that will not guarantee it.  People will do stupid shit.

Yep.  No dorms, sverely limited time with players equals more shit like this than 20 yrs ago.

[Ranger12]

I read this somewhere, but don't recall where, but somebody mentioned that it was an inevitable fact that if you are going to win in the SEC, you are going to wind up recruiting some players that have a questionable background or upbringing. Coaches can only hope that getting them out of that bad situation or influence by giving them a free education along with the discipline of a Div-1 football program, while also letting them showcase their talents on a national stage, will make them a better person. Vanderbilt is probably the only exception in the SEC.

[AUChizad]

I read this somewhere, but don't recall where, but somebody mentioned that it was an inevitable fact that if you are going to win in the SEC, you are going to wind up recruiting some players that have a questionable background or upbringing. Coaches can only hope that getting them out of that bad situation or influence by giving them a free education along with the discipline of a Div-1 football program, while also letting them showcase their talents on a national stage, will make them a better person. Vanderbilt is probably the only exception in the SEC.

How are they an exception? (see bold)

[jmar]

How are they an exception? (see bold)

That was on AU and I think it went teaser before I could read all of Phillip Marshall's comment.

Even so, there is no pattern here, no inordinate number of urban kids being recruited by the staff. None of the incidents are connected.

[AUChizad]

That was on AU and I think it went teaser before I could read all of Phillip Marshall's comment.

Even so, there is no pattern here, no inordinate number of urban kids being recruited by the staff. None of the incidents are connected.

What?

[AUChizad]

This is how I picture jmar when he posts.

[jmar]

This is how I picture jmar when he posts.

Are you having trouble in part or with the entire post?

[AWK]

Are you having trouble in part or with the entire post?

Left to right, front to back, etc...

[Homer Samford]

When exactly was the honeymoon ever in session for Chizik? I know how I felt when he was hired. I imagine many of you felt the similarly. Or not. Guess I'll find out soon enough.

Didn't members of the media ask him what he was going to do being in the same state/division/conference/atmosphere as Saban?

When did he ever get a break?

[Snaggletiger]

When exactly was the honeymoon ever in session for Chizik? I know how I felt when he was hired. I imagine many of you felt the similarly. Or not. Guess I'll find out soon enough.

Didn't members of the media ask him what he was going to do being in the same state/division/conference/atmosphere as Saban?

When did he ever get a break?

I felt the similarly.

Probably talking more about what he's done this year and how people view him after winning the MNC. 

[Homer Samford]

I felt the similarly.

Probably talking more about what he's done this year and how people view him after winning the MNC.

Even with that people gave the praise to Malzhan-Newton and Rocker-Fairley - not Chiz. Chiz get no love from the state media at all and he never will. Not until Saban leaves and Alabama does what they usually do with the hire - SCREW IT UP.

[JR4AU]

I felt the similarly.

Probably talking more about what he's done this year and how people view him after winning the MNC.

Many still refuse to give him credit.  Malzahn is the real HC.  Cam did it all.  He cheated to get Cam...etc, etc.

[Snaggletiger]

Many still refuse to give him credit.  Malzahn is the real HC.  Cam did it all.  He cheated to get Cam...etc, etc.

Just like yesterday...a caller to PF from Ohio made the statement that "Well, Cam Newton was an anomoly.  He was a one man show."

It's funny how all these fans of other teams, especially rival teams, seem to be admitting to the fact that their awesomely, outstanding, unbelievable teams....got beat...by one man....all by his lonesome.  He single-handedly snapped the ball to himself, blocked for himself, threw a post pattern to himself and kicked the touchdown.  Then he kicked off to the other team , made the tackle and put a 3 and out on dat ass all by himself. 

Plus, he called all the plays from the sidelines and made 30 calls to recruits every quarter during the games. 

[dallaswareagle]

Just like yesterday...a caller to PF from Ohio made the statement that "Well, Cam Newton was an anomoly.  He was a one man show."

It's funny how all these fans of other teams, especially rival teams, seem to be admitting to the fact that their awesomely, outstanding, unbelievable teams....got beat...by one man....all by his lonesome.  He single-handedly snapped the ball to himself, blocked for himself, threw a post pattern to himself and kicked the touchdown.  Then he kicked off to the other team , made the tackle and put a 3 and out on dat ass all by himself. 

Plus, he called all the plays from the sidelines and made 30 calls to recruits every quarter during the games.

How many points is a kicked touchdown worth?

[jmar]

I think it's four but that might be a drop kick.