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Even they can't take the new generation
‘Outright disrespectful’: Four House women struggle as Pelosi isolates them

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi admonished Democrats for personally attacking one another, warning in a closed-door meeting Wednesday that the party’s fracturing was jeopardizing its majority.

Without naming names, her target was clear: the four liberal freshmen known as “the Squad.”
“You got a complaint? You come and talk to me about it. But do not tweet about our members and expect us to think that that is just okay,” Pelosi (D-Calif.) told Democrats.
But “the Squad” — Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (N.Y.), Ilhan Omar (Minn.), Rashida Tlaib (Mich.) and Ayanna Pressley (Mass.) — is convinced it is Pelosi who is being the bully.
The four are struggling with the speaker’s moves to isolate them in recent weeks, according to interviews with the lawmakers, congressional aides and allies. Pelosi has made at least half a dozen remarks dismissing the group or their far-left proposals on the environment and health care. More recently she scorned their lonely opposition to the party’s emergency border bill last month. 
And she defended those comments Wednesday, saying, “I have no regrets about anything. Regrets is not what I do,” doubling down on her claim that the group has little power in the House.
“When these comments first started, I kind of thought that she was keeping the progressive flank at more of an arm’s distance in order to protect more moderate members, which I understood,” Ocasio-Cortez told The Washington Post. “But the persistent singling out . . . it got to a point where it was just outright disrespectful . . . the explicit singling out of newly elected women of color.”
The four women are trying to figure out how to respond, texting one another and weighing whether to confront Pelosi to ask her to stop. But for now, they are focused on their congressional duties, even as they defend their votes in the House that have drawn Pelosi’s ire.
“Thank God my mother gave me broad shoulders and a strong back. I can handle it. I’m not worried about me,” said Pressley, who called Pelosi’s comments “demoralizing.” “I am worried about the signal that it sends to people I speak to and for, who sent me here with a mandate, and how it affects them.”
The tensions underscore the political and generational divide between the most powerful woman in American politics, who has led House Democrats for more than 16 years, and the new band of liberals clamoring for change and trying to push the party left. Pelosi has spent more than 30 years perfecting an inside game to secure wins for her party, most notably the Affordable Care Act in 2010. The four freshmen lawmakers, by contrast, have built a massive online following and leveraged their power on the outside, including in the 2020 presidential race.
Their ability to work together — or refusal to — will have major implications for Democrats as they seek to oust President Trump and retain their majority in next year’s election. Pelosi knows that fate of her majority rests with the moderate Democrats who captured Republican-held seats in last year’s midterm elections.
“A majority is a fragile thing,” she said, according to two people present for the remarks, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the private meeting, adding that members should show “some level of respect and sensitivity” to more moderate colleagues: “You make me the target, but don’t make our [moderates] the target in all of this, because we have important fish to fry.”
The speaker’s allies say concerns about the next election is driving her moves to isolate these four women.
“Sometimes a leader’s got to take positions to keep the team [united],” said Rep. Gregory W. Meeks (D-N.Y.). “She knows what got us here and what’s going to keep us here.”
Pelosi suggested to New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd in an opinion piece published Saturday that “the Squad” had a limited following inside the House. She specifically pointed to the example of the House-passed Democratic border bill in late June, which the group opposed.
“All these people have their public whatever and their Twitter world,” Pelosi said in the New York Times interview. “But they didn’t have any following. They’re four people and that’s how many votes they got.”
Several in the caucus were uncomfortable with Pelosi’s comments. Congressional Progressive Caucus leaders are expected to talk to Pelosi about her comments, according to two officials familiar with the plan. Other women of color in the House have similarly expressed concerns.
“I can’t tell the speaker to apologize, but I was taken aback by it. Because we’re all here to work together,” said Rep. Jahana Hayes (D-Conn.), the first black woman to represent her state in Congress.
Notably, Hayes, Ocasio-Cortez and Omar appeared together with Pelosi smiling on the cover of Rolling Stone in a photo taken in January.
While some of the four enjoy more diplomatic relationships with Pelosi, Ocasio-Cortez’s relationship with the speaker has been chilly from the start. After she upset Rep. Joseph Crowley (N.Y.) in the Democratic primary, Pelosi moved to immediately downplay her victory, saying it was a one-off event.
Still, Pelosi tried to create a bridge with the New Yorker: During their first face-to-face meeting just before the midterm elections, Pelosi spent nearly two hours trying to convince the liberal that she was just like her, touting her background. It was around that time that Ocasio-Cortez agreed to not only back Pelosi as speaker but also vocally defend her against rebels trying to keep her from the gavel.
Now, half a year later, virtually all communication between the two women has ceased. The two have not spoken one-on-one since February when Ocasio-
Cortez declined Pelosi’s personal request that she join her select committee on climate change, according to individuals who know both lawmakers.
Just days after, during a private Progressive Caucus meeting, Pelosi singled out Ocasio-Cortez in front of her colleagues, calling her out for rejecting the select committee offer. Ocasio-Cortez had publicly criticized leadership for refusing to give the committee the power to directly draft legislation.
Since then, Pelosi has made several dismissive remarks about Ocasio-Cortez, calling her Green New Deal “the Green Dream or whatever,” and suggesting that a “glass of water” running as a Democrat could win in districts as liberal as hers.
“The third and fourth time [she insulted me], it was like, ‘This is unnecessary, but I’m not going to pick a fight over it. Whatever, I’ll be the punching bag if that’s what they want me to be,’ ” Ocasio-
Cortez said. But now people are telling the freshman to talk to Pelosi. She doesn’t want to, however. 
“There hasn’t really been a relationship, to be frank,” she said. “It’s difficult.”
Omar, according to people close to her, has been similarly disappointed. The  lawmaker from Minnesota looks up to Pelosi and has enjoyed a positive relationship with the speaker, despite her criticisms of Israel that caused a major stir in the party. Even then, however, Pelosi gave Omar a heads-up before chiding her publicly.
In one of her first conversations with Pelosi after she won her primary, Omar told Pelosi that she couldn’t vote on the floor because of a headwear ban in the House. Pelosi promised to change the rules so she could wear her hijab in the Capitol.
For Tlaib, Pelosi’s latest comment amounted to a mixed message — one that seemed to contradict the advice Pelosi gave in a meeting early in her tenure. “Represent your district,” Tlaib recalled Pelosi telling her. “And that’s exactly what I’m doing.”
Hours after her primary win in August, Tlaib ruffled feathers by saying in a CNN interview that she would “probably not” support Pelosi for speaker. But Pelosi, directly and through intermediaries, worked through the ensuing months to keep her mind open, and Tlaib ultimately voted for her.
Tlaib then won a seat on the Financial Services Committee, a plum assignment for a freshman in a safely Democratic district. And even as she garnered outsize media attention, Pelosi appeared to have her back: When Tlaib was filmed telling a crowd of supporters in vulgar terms that lawmakers would impeach President Trump, Pelosi delivered only faint public criticism.
“Whatever is she saying is not going to impact my work,” Tlaib said of Pelosi’s comments over the weekend. “I'm going to continue to introduce legislation and policy.”
Yet some lawmakers and aides believe Pelosi’s treatment of the group is having a quiet effect on them. Many activists thought the group would band together to form a type of Freedom Caucus to deliver wins for the left, but they haven’t done so and appear almost on the defensive when Pelosi criticizes them.
They also have not tried to whip votes against a major leadership priority such as the border bill, nor muscled House support for impeachment, an idea Pelosi rejects. And they have declined to call Pelosi out by name as she sidelines liberal policy priorities such as Medicare-for-all and the Green New Deal, dismissing them publicly as “enthusiasms” and “exuberances” rather than viable policy prescriptions.
“She chooses her words carefully. She does not misspeak,” said Rep. Anna G. Eshoo (D-Calif.), a close friend of Pelosi. “There's a big difference between being an advocate and being a legislator.”
Asked about why she hasn’t confronted Pelosi, Ocasio-Cortez said she wasn’t sure what to do.
“I do find it a little curious that leadership doesn’t want us to try to have any sort of conversation about even messaging — but we’re just freshmen, right?” she said.
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I would never defend a douchenozzle like Pelosi, but I'm sure even she is embarrassed by them every time they open their mouths. 
You guys ever thought about the fact that the guy who coined the term, "coined the term", coined the term?


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I would never defend a douchenozzle like Pelosi, but I'm sure even she is embarrassed by them every time they open their mouths.
Exactly!!
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“She knows what got us here and what’s going to keep us here.”

And there's your problem. We NEED term limits!
Five statements of WISDOM
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2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friends, is the beginning of the end of any nation.


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“She knows what got us here and what’s going to keep us here.”

And there's your problem. We NEED term limits!
amen
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“She knows what got us here and what’s going to keep us here.”

And there's your problem. We NEED term limits!
Can we get those for the SCOTUS as well? 
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Can we get those for the SCOTUS as well?
No politician should be able to make a career out of politics
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No politician should be able to make a carrier out of politics
I thought they were made out of steel?
"Hey my friends are the ones that wanted to eat at that shootty hole in the wall that only served bread and wine.  What kind of brick and mud business model is that.  Stick to the cart if that's all you're going to serve.  Then that dude came in with like 12 other people, and some of them weren't even wearing shoes, and the restaurant sat them right across from us. It was gross, and they were all stinky and dirty.  Then dude starts talking about eating his body and drinking his blood...I almost lost it.  That's the last supper I'll ever have there, and I hope he dies a horrible death."


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Can we get those for the SCOTUS as well?
For the liberal members, yes.  Vote conservative, vote American, vote forever.  
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For the liberal members, yes.  Vote conservative, vote American, vote forever. 
Vote early and often.
You guys ever thought about the fact that the guy who coined the term, "coined the term", coined the term?


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I thought they were made out of steel?
And what else is made from wood steel?
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And what else is made from wood steel?
Small rocks?
"Hey my friends are the ones that wanted to eat at that shootty hole in the wall that only served bread and wine.  What kind of brick and mud business model is that.  Stick to the cart if that's all you're going to serve.  Then that dude came in with like 12 other people, and some of them weren't even wearing shoes, and the restaurant sat them right across from us. It was gross, and they were all stinky and dirty.  Then dude starts talking about eating his body and drinking his blood...I almost lost it.  That's the last supper I'll ever have there, and I hope he dies a horrible death."


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No politician should be able to make a career out of politics
 I wouldn’t consider a scotus judge a politician though. Other elected judges, sure. I would say it’s debatable whether they should have a lifetime appt or not but if they don’t then how do you determine that at the national level and is it a slippery slope to go down? Them being appointed for a lifetime is really part of the overall system of checks and balances between the 3 branches. 
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I wouldn’t consider a scotus judge a politician though. Other elected judges, sure. I would say it’s debatable whether they should have a lifetime appt or not but if they don’t then how do you determine that at the national level and is it a slippery slope to go down? Them being appointed for a lifetime is really part of the overall system of checks and balances between the 3 branches.
This is true. But we should amend the constitution to say "death or 75". By 75 you should be enjoying retirement. You should not be propped up beside the jukebox like RBG.
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5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friends, is the beginning of the end of any nation.


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I wouldn’t consider a scotus judge a politician though. Other elected judges, sure. I would say it’s debatable whether they should have a lifetime appt or not but if they don’t then how do you determine that at the national level and is it a slippery slope to go down? Them being appointed for a lifetime is really part of the overall system of checks and balances between the 3 branches.
First step is Congressional Term Limits. That will take 20 years to pass and 20 years to implement. By then, most of us will be dead and it'll be up to the remaining generations (assuming they aren't slaves to the Chinese by then) to figure it out from there. 
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First step is Congressional Term Limits. That will take 20 years to pass and 20 years to implement. By then, most of us will be dead and it'll be up to the remaining generations (assuming they aren't slaves to the Chinese by then) to figure it out from there.
Will the Chinese pay reparations?  
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Will the Chinese pay reparations? 
Tariffs instead. 
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Can we get those for the SCOTUS as well?
No reasonable for SCOTUS. You don't want our Supreme Court reversing decisions based on the President in office.

Maybe some sort of age requirment, but even then you may be limiting some perfectly capable people who are sharp into their 70's. Hell, Trump and Biden would be discluded from the job at that point.


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No reasonable for SCOTUS. You don't want our Supreme Court reversing decisions based on the President in office.

Maybe some sort of age requirment, but even then you may be limiting some perfectly capable people who are sharp into their 70's. Hell, Trump and Biden would be discluded from the job at that point.
Biden's not qualified for any job.  He's never really had one.  
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This is true. But we should amend the constitution to say "death or 75". By 75 you should be enjoying retirement. You should not be propped up beside the jukebox like RBG.
Is that before or after she's done with her Crossfit WOD?
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